Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dan

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Christians are called saints because of repentence and faith in Christ.
Vatican will canonized/recognize a pope because of his self righteous works.
So, your self-recognition of your own sainthood is fine and just, but others recognizing someone other than themselves is "wrong".

Got it.

Impeccable logic, as always, chuck.
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No.
No one declares themself a saint in the Catholic Church.
You'd insist that you're a saint. That sounds like an expression of self-righteousness to my ears.
Again...God has declared me a saint and not me.

I can play along. One is recognized for their self righteous works.
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I already said that the Church doesn't create saints, rather recognizes them.
How many times do I have to post it, LTM?
How do you recognize a saint Dan. Only God knows the heart of man.
John Paul II was sold out to Maryism.
So unless He recanted, and cofessed his sins before God, he is not in heaven.
John Paul II lead a lot of people away from God to Mary, all the prayers and Glory that belonged to God alone went to her.

The Bible clearly says God shares His Glory with no one.
Sorry Dan, I don't think that makes a person a candidate for sainthood
Dan

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Paul and Peter were saints long before they died,a person doesn't have to die to become a saint, all they need is to be born again.
the catholic church has no business declaring who is; or who isn't a saint Dan.
Neither does any other denomination; that is the job of the Holy Spirit.
Martin Luther promoted the notion you speak of. I don't ascribe to his beliefs on the subject.

Still, the Church does not decide who is an dis not a saint. They recognize saints. Ignore this fact all day if you will, but it's still the truth and formulating an argument based on a faulty assumption is the hallmark of an idiot.
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As I also say-it's not up to me to make your argument for you.
That's your problem

You listen to sinful men to teach you. I'm taught by God's Word.
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LOL.
Argumentum ad verecundiam.
Where does God tell us this?
Read the Bible Dan rwad the Bible.Gee.
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So, your self-recognition of your own sainthood is fine and just, but others recognizing someone other than themselves is "wrong".
Got it.
Impeccable logic, as always, chuck.
It is from God's Word Danny...not mine.

Open it and read
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That's your problem
You listen to sinful men to teach you. I'm taught by God's Word.
You're then teaching yourself, and you are sinful as any man is.

My teachers are sinful, you aren't.

You can declare yourself a saint; the Church recognizing a siant is "wrong".

The Gospel of chuck, interpreted by chuck.

Is that about right?
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Read the Bible Dan rwad the Bible.Gee.
Noted that both you and chuck have used "the bible" as a response to me, and twice failed to cite same.
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It is from God's Word Danny...not mine.
Open it and read
Third appeal to biblical authority sans citation of same.
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Dan wrote:
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Martin Luther promoted the notion you speak of. I don't ascribe to his beliefs on the subject.
Still, the Church does not decide who is an dis not a saint. They recognize saints. Ignore this fact all day if you will, but it's still the truth and formulating an argument based on a faulty assumption is the hallmark of an idiot.
We get it Dan

the vatican looks at people like popes and their self righteous works and recognizes them as saints.

God recognized me as a saint because of repentance and faith in Christ and it absolutely had nothing to do with what I had done on my own.

it's all clear now.
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Third appeal to biblical authority sans citation of same.
As I said... I've already done that with Tony. Look back through the posts. thanks
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Again...God has declared me a saint and not me.
I can play along. One is recognized for their self righteous works.
Pope John Paul II's life is characterized by self-righteous works?

I've not encountered this premise previously.

Care to support the claim somehow?
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As I said... I've already done that with Tony. Look back through the posts. thanks
I'll simply assume that you can't make the case and move on. I'm not trawling through half a million posts.

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We get it Dan
the vatican looks at people like popes and their self righteous works and recognizes them as saints.
God recognized me as a saint because of repentance and faith in Christ and it absolutely had nothing to do with what I had done on my own.
it's all clear now.
Again, what "self-righteous" work or works do you speak of on part of the late Pope?

Is it "self-righteous" to point where one declares themself a saint by virtue of one's own acts, a la chuck?

You canonized yourself by declraing your faith in God. You initiated it, right?
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We get it Dan
the vatican looks at people like popes and their self righteous works and recognizes them as saints.
God recognized me as a saint because of repentance and faith in Christ and it absolutely had nothing to do with what I had done on my own.
it's all clear now.
The roll of saints isn't exclusive to Popes.

There goes that, doesn't it?
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I'll simply assume that you can't make the case and move on. I'm not trawling through half a million posts.
Thanks
Millions Danny...I think it was yesterday. Take a look. Not like you have anything else going on. you're welcome
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You don't have to be Catholic to be a Saint. You just have to be in Heaven. There are plenty of non Catholics up there.
If we are in Christ,we are grafted in. He is the Vine,we are the branches,there is no denomination or identity to any certain religious affiliation.It all has to do with a PERSON,His life,arrest,scourging,crucifix ion,death and Resurrection."In Him we live and have our being." It is not thus saith the: Presbyterians,Assemblies of God,Quakers,Baptists,Roman Catholics,Orthodox,or Anglicans,OR whoever else claims to believe in Him,It is Written in the Word,and we believe it,we live it,and we walk with H I M(The Firstborn of all Creation."
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You know the day you decided to believe in God.
You don't know the day that you will attain Heaven.
"born again" literally means "born from above." a spiritual transformation. New birth, being born again, is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes (2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1-4, 18). John 1:12,13 indicates that "born again" also carries the idea "to become children of God" through trust in the name of Jesus Christ.

Before that we are spiritual dead, when we are born again, we pass from death into life, in a sense we go from the devils realm and enter in to Gods heavenly realm.
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Again, what "self-righteous" work or works do you speak of on part of the late Pope?
They are rognized for their works,....no?

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