Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Pad

Rockford, IL

#417434 Jan 22, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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We get it Dan
the vatican looks at people like popes and their self righteous works and recognizes them as saints.
God recognized me as a saint because of repentance and faith in Christ and it absolutely had nothing to do with what I had done on my own.
it's all clear now.
I agree with you Chuck.The fact of real sainthood was established in the Word,by the authors of the 66 books All Jews save one Luke.It is quite apparent in Scripture that a saint is one who is converted to his or her Creator,in the case of Christians we are given the title saints by the Apostles themselves.I do not believe it was ever God's plan to have a hiearchy of men who do not consider themselves saints to begin with,to canonize people saints,which alone would be God's election. The Pope and his Cardinals do not consider themselves saints,yet they canonize would[-be saints. It does not always compute does it?

But let them have their saints,it does not take away the fact that God has called us all to be saints,and in the Last Day we will know for sure than,won't we? I doubt any spirit-filled Christian who is not Roman Catholic will ever be canonized a saint,no matter what great things God wroughts through that vessel. I know of many evangelical men and women who walked with God,served Him and experienced much faith,and answers to many prayers,and even were martyred,but never would be canonized by the RCC by virtue of course that they were not RC.So only RCs become saints that is the bottom line.We haven't got a chance!But the Lord know who we are.How does anyone judge the holiness in the lives of God's people?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#417435 Jan 22, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Again...God has declared me a saint and not me.
I can play along. One is recognized for their self righteous works.
"God has declared me a saint and not me"

The thing that would separate you from an actual saint is, in their humbleness, they would never declare such a thing about themselves.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417436 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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So, your self-recognition of your own sainthood is fine and just, but others recognizing someone other than themselves is "wrong".
Got it.
Impeccable logic, as always, chuck.
Well Dan if you are going to go there;;; I recognize Mother Teresa for sainthood before I would any of the Popes.
When was the last time you saw a Pope get down and dirty, with the people. Never.
They claim the best seats in the highest places on earth, passing judgement on people for the wrongs they do, but did nothing to the people in their own organization for the harm they have done to the people.
How is that for Impeccable logic,

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#417437 Jan 22, 2013
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LTM wrote:
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"born again" literally means "born from above." a spiritual transformation. New birth, being born again, is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes (2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1-4, 18). John 1:12,13 indicates that "born again" also carries the idea "to become children of God" through trust in the name of Jesus Christ.
Before that we are spiritual dead, when we are born again, we pass from death into life, in a sense we go from the devils realm and enter in to Gods heavenly realm.
Absolute truth...based on Scripture....
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417438 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What "self-righteous" works is the Pope guilty of?
You've only made the claim one half-dozen times. Just provide one "self-righteous" act you believe he's guilty of.
Claiming to be the Vicar of Christ, that heads the only true church of Jesus.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#417439 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What "self-righteous" works is the Pope guilty of?
You've only made the claim one half-dozen times. Just provide one "self-righteous" act you believe he's guilty of.
works that he has done in his live. works the vatican acknowledges and therefore recognized as a saint.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#417440 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
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How do you recognize a saint Dan. Only God knows the heart of man.
John Paul II was sold out to Maryism.
So unless He recanted, and cofessed his sins before God, he is not in heaven.
John Paul II lead a lot of people away from God to Mary, all the prayers and Glory that belonged to God alone went to her.
The Bible clearly says God shares His Glory with no one.
Sorry Dan, I don't think that makes a person a candidate for sainthood
To be a Saint, we need to be as much like Christ as possible. Right?

You claim John Paul sold out to Marism. Hilarious. JP II was trying to be as much like Jesus Christ as possible... by following Our Lords example of honoring His Father and Mother.
When we honor Mary, we honor and please Christ.

Also, if Im Jesus, i wouldnt be to happy about people spreading rumors about my Mom. Be careful LTM when you teach that she had other children. If you're wrong....you're in trouble.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#417441 Jan 22, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>ONLY NAIVE AND SENILE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN BEN HEN.
anyway, it is God that gives and does miracles, so the pope nor any other person is responsible.imo
My opinion agrees with your opinion.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417442 Jan 22, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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240 184
The first parallel verse to 1Ti 3:16 is: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And is followed by: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Scripture that clearly shows Christ and God are not one and the same......Scripture erroneously interpreted that supposedly shows God and Christ as the same, makes the Bible infallible...which it is not.
What else is there to say?????
Well, I could say that you've just declared yourself a polytheist-that you believe in more than one deity.

We don't get many polytheists here. Welcome to the board.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417443 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Claiming to be the Vicar of Christ, that heads the only true church of Jesus.
He never declared that. He is by virtue of his office.

Christ declared it. He's head of Christ's Church on earth.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#417444 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Faith can do it.
Thanks
And keep on topic.
we don't have the faith Dan to believe in God...He gives it to us.

what in the world are you talking about?

**and again...parents can't do it for you
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417445 Jan 22, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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works that he has done in his live. works the vatican acknowledges and therefore recognized as a saint.
Name one "self-righteous" work he's accused of.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417446 Jan 22, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you Chuck.The fact of real sainthood was established in the Word,by the authors of the 66 books All Jews save one Luke.It is quite apparent in Scripture that a saint is one who is converted to his or her Creator,in the case of Christians we are given the title saints by the Apostles themselves.I do not believe it was ever God's plan to have a hiearchy of men who do not consider themselves saints to begin with,to canonize people saints,which alone would be God's election. The Pope and his Cardinals do not consider themselves saints,yet they canonize would[-be saints. It does not always compute does it?
But let them have their saints,it does not take away the fact that God has called us all to be saints,and in the Last Day we will know for sure than,won't we? I doubt any spirit-filled Christian who is not Roman Catholic will ever be canonized a saint,no matter what great things God wroughts through that vessel. I know of many evangelical men and women who walked with God,served Him and experienced much faith,and answers to many prayers,and even were martyred,but never would be canonized by the RCC by virtue of course that they were not RC.So only RCs become saints that is the bottom line.We haven't got a chance!But the Lord know who we are.How does anyone judge the holiness in the lives of God's people?
Windy and in service to a faulty premise ("the Catholic church creates saints").
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417447 Jan 22, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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we don't have the faith Dan to believe in God...He gives it to us.
what in the world are you talking about?
**and again...parents can't do it for you
Now you're contradicting yourself.

A few posts ago you "sainted yourself" by repenting and declaring your belief in God.

Now you're telling me we cannot have enough faith to do just that.

Pick one, chuck.
Fred

Oklahoma City, OK

#417448 Jan 22, 2013
seven mountains the woman sits are Named after seven different gods.their is no other place in the world that describes the beast.The roman catholick church has deceived the world into god worship.And you sheeple fell for it hook line and sinker.

Man mortal man changed the creators name and made him a god.The creators name is Yahweh he is no god never was never will be...And you will cause them to forget my name and you sheeple have And follow the most evil corrupted church on the planet.

They In fact changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.what does it matter you do not keep the sabbath holy anyways.you keep pagan holidays and do not keep the feast.you have been lead away from righteousness into evil. And have become so brainwashed that you are not willing to change.

Why because it is much easier to sin than to change.And lack understanding.That only comes from the reverence of Yahweh and not no man made god.

And the message will be preached to all the world and then the end will come.Praise Yahweh!!!!!!!He is king....

And when he returns he will return with a wrathful vengeance. And will make Sodom and Gomorrah look like a cake walk.And just because you are a christian or a catholick their will not be a rapture. you all will go through tribulation just like the rest of us....
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#417449 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Dan if you are going to go there;;; I recognize Mother Teresa for sainthood before I would any of the Popes.
When was the last time you saw a Pope get down and dirty, with the people. Never.
They claim the best seats in the highest places on earth, passing judgement on people for the wrongs they do, but did nothing to the people in their own organization for the harm they have done to the people.
How is that for Impeccable logic,
Well, what about all the martyred Popes? Is Saint Clement worthy in your world, LTM?
They tied him to an anchor and threw him off a ship!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417450 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Well Dan if you are going to go there;;; I recognize Mother Teresa for sainthood before I would any of the Popes.
When was the last time you saw a Pope get down and dirty, with the people. Never.
They claim the best seats in the highest places on earth, passing judgement on people for the wrongs they do, but did nothing to the people in their own organization for the harm they have done to the people.
How is that for Impeccable logic,
Crappy, as usual. Doesn't pass for logic, actually.

St. Peter was a pope. He got his hands dirty.

Pope John Paul II carried a sick holocaust survivor two miles to a train station while he was a young priest.

I could go on and on, but it's like swatting a mosquito with a sledgehammer.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417451 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Ok.
What day will you go to Heaven?
The day I was reborn and entered the realm of God was Sept 26, 1984,
I lived in a Trailer Park , it was early in the evening,
I went to my bedroom laid down on my bed, never planed it, just asked Jesus to come into my Life and be my Lord and Savior.
At once my body was energized like I had been hit with a few thousand jolts of electricity, my body felt like I was lefted up off my bed.
I laid there thanking God, I don't remember how long it was before I left the room that night
Sunday I went to church and spent the whole service sobbing my heart out, I am so glad I don't wear eye make up, I looked bad enough with puffy red eyes , they didn't need to be black too.
But I didn't care, believing in God which I have since I was 3 is one thing but being bor again is a totally different thing.

I made the mistake of keeping my eyes on a Pastor , when he fall I backslide, that is when I learned to keep my eyes on the Lord Jesus. Not on a man or a denomination. Walking with God is a higher calling, then a denomination its about Jesus and when He walked the earth he preached on the Kingdom of God .
The Popes kingdom is of this earth the vatican, God's is Kingdom is not.
LTM

Sudbury, Canada

#417452 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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He never declared that. He is by virtue of his office.
Christ declared it. He's head of Christ's Church on earth.
Jesus declared no such thing Dan. You are mistaken.
Jesus never declared a Pope or vicar over His church here on earth . He said I will send you a comforter He will teach you all things.
The Pope is not the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsaken you I will be with you always.
So who is the Holy Spirit?? Jesus is, who is God?? Jesus is.

God the Father , God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. "THE GREAT I AM"
Dan

Omaha, NE

#417453 Jan 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
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The day I was reborn and entered the realm of God was Sept 26, 1984,
I lived in a Trailer Park , it was early in the evening,
I went to my bedroom laid down on my bed, never planed it, just asked Jesus to come into my Life and be my Lord and Savior.
At once my body was energized like I had been hit with a few thousand jolts of electricity, my body felt like I was lefted up off my bed.
I laid there thanking God, I don't remember how long it was before I left the room that night
Sunday I went to church and spent the whole service sobbing my heart out, I am so glad I don't wear eye make up, I looked bad enough with puffy red eyes , they didn't need to be black too.
But I didn't care, believing in God which I have since I was 3 is one thing but being bor again is a totally different thing.
I made the mistake of keeping my eyes on a Pastor , when he fall I backslide, that is when I learned to keep my eyes on the Lord Jesus. Not on a man or a denomination. Walking with God is a higher calling, then a denomination its about Jesus and when He walked the earth he preached on the Kingdom of God .
The Popes kingdom is of this earth the vatican, God's is Kingdom is not.
The altar call story. Thrilling. Christ, reduced to some schoolboy suitor knocking on the door of your heart and you finally let Him in.

I asked "what day do you go to Heaven", assuming we're corresponding on the temporal plane.

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