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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603771 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416842 Jan 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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The John Jay report says you're wrong Jeckle.
Obssession with child sex is not good Jeckle. Maybe you should check with your marriage counselor and see if she treats your other problem too.
MOTHER ANTHONY!

..You are telling me that collectively around the world for many years, EVERY catholic bishop miraculously USED THE EXACT SAME METHOD OF OPERATION (without knowing each other) in "lets call the PHYCHIATRIST" not the police.

You are never going to change my mind MOTHER ANTHONY that the thousands of catholic bishops did not get support from the vatican of how to SQUASH all these victims and their accusations.

The safeguards in place now were not as a result of GOOD WORK by the clergy. It was solely by the brave victims and their families who went to the police and the number of cases were so OVERWHELMING that the church had no other recourse than to cave in and ......guess what......DIAL 9-1-1! for the first time.

The bishops who lied, and covered up these crimes to protect their abusive clergy, have NOW! been put in charge of blowing the whistle on the very clergy they covered up for in the first place.

Who puts the wolf in charge of the henhouse? ONLY THE CATHOLIC DOES!

UNBELIEVABLE!

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#416843 Jan 19, 2013
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Dan wrote:
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Mary isn't worshipped.
We pray for her intercession.
Old news.
I am not discussing divine worship. Am saying that Catholics are taught to pray to Mary...which is opposite of what Christ taught..
The Catechism does teach to pray to her. It lists no Scripture to support this erroneous teaching...because there is none...

You say "We pray for her intercession". For whatever reason you pray to her, be it for her intercession, or for answers to a novena...you pray to her.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416844 Jan 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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No moron, 50 years ago women did NOT always call the police when they were raped.
Hey Jeckle, still haven't figured out that seal of confessional thingy yet have you?
Anthony says....... 50 years ago women did NOT always call the police when they were raped.

Michael says.......THATS RIGHT! Anthony they called a psychiatrist, or maybe they called a catholic bishop and he reccommended a psychiatrist. UNBELIEVABLE!

MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#416845 Jan 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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No moron, 50 years ago women did NOT always call the police when they were raped.
Hey Jeckle, still haven't figured out that seal of confessional thingy yet have you?
ANTHONY SAYS.........the seal of the confessional.

MICHAEL SAYS......NOT ANYMORE! All the clergy have now been taught how to DIAL 9-1-1.....whenever there is a wiff of one of them doing wrong.

What a difference a day makes.......(lol)UNBELIEVABLE!

The seal of the confessional is just a ......"hide yourelf from the police" tool.

No wonder crime is rampant in america. Commit the worst crime immaginable, head to the confession.........and MOMS the word.

what a CROC!......and you are OK with it! OMG!

You are an enabler of crime. Jesus would not be impressed one bit..........if he existed.

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#416846 Jan 19, 2013
Dan....Catholics pray to Mary...

Excerpt:

Prayers to Virgin Mary

From the Church's beginnings, prayers to Virgin Mary have held a place of honor for Catholics.

Here are some of the most fundamental and majestic.

These prayers prayers to Virgin Mary take varied forms. Most of them combine:

Prayers to God, modeled after the faith of Mary.
Meditations on the Incarnation, Mary's unique role in salvation history, or her perfect examples of virtues like faith, humility, and charity.
Prayers to Mary, asking for her help and protection.

Like all prayers to Saints, our prayers to Virgin Mary rely on the Saints' special power to intercede for us before Christ and the Father. But since Mary has a unique role in salvation, and a unique relationship to the Trinity, our prayers to the Blessed Virgin also rely on her special power of intercession.

NOTE: "PRAYERS TO VIRGIN MARY''PRAYERS TO MARY' "our prayers to the Blessed Virgin (TWICE SAID)"

Since: Dec 06

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#416847 Jan 19, 2013
LTM wrote:
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To be poor in spirit is to recognize your utter spiritual bankruptcy before God. It is understanding that you have absolutely nothing of worth to offer God. Being poor in spirit is admitting that, because of your sin, you are completely destitute spiritually and can do nothing to deliver yourself from your dire situation. Jesus is saying that, no matter your status in life, you must recognize your spiritual poverty before you can come to God in faith to receive the salvation He offers
LTM

You have the literal interpretation of what being poor in spirit is most commonly seen in commentaries and accepted teachings. And I am not dismissing it. But lets get a little more into being poor in spirit....

"And so Jesus says:“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”(Matthew 5:3). This is neither a romanticizing of economic poverty nor a demonization of wealth, but rather a formula for detachment. Might I suggest a somewhat variant rendition: how blessed are you if you are not attached to material things, if you have not placed the goods that wealth can buy at the center of your concern? When the Kingdom of God is your ultimate concern, not only will you not become addicted to material things; you will, in fact, be able to use them with great effectiveness for God’s purposes."

http://payingattentiontothesky.com/2011/10/06...

"The poor in spirit, of course, are not the weak-spirited; they are exactly the opposite. They are strong enough to be detached from riches, that is, from the whole world. They are those who are strong enough not to be enslaved to their desires for the things of this world.

http://payingattentiontothesky.com/category/h...
Clay

Chicago, IL

#416848 Jan 19, 2013
Amish wrote:
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The few hundred Protestant denominations and individual Christians around the world all have many things in common - Jesus, the Bible, all Christian. Unlike Rome's universal pagan voodoo sun cult that does not follow the Bible - Apostles. This is why Rome has added books!
The have Jesus and the Bible??

What good is that when you've tampered with Our Lords will?
You say you have Jesus but reject His Church?
You'd agree that Christ started a Church. Right?

If its not the Catholic Church, then who is it?

Not all of you 42,000 could be the correct one.

If I'm new to Christianity, I'm going to find out which Church was there from the beginning. Then and only then, would I be in the correct group.
All others can and do experience Christ, because He is love. But you do not have the fullness of His teachings.. you only have some of it. And that is by using the books that the Catholic Church says is the Bible.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#416849 Jan 19, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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LTM
You have the literal interpretation of what being poor in spirit is most commonly seen in commentaries and accepted teachings. And I am not dismissing it. But lets get a little more into being poor in spirit....
"And so Jesus says:“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”(Matthew 5:3). This is neither a romanticizing of economic poverty nor a demonization of wealth, but rather a formula for detachment. Might I suggest a somewhat variant rendition: how blessed are you if you are not attached to material things, if you have not placed the goods that wealth can buy at the center of your concern? When the Kingdom of God is your ultimate concern, not only will you not become addicted to material things; you will, in fact, be able to use them with great effectiveness for God’s purposes."
http://payingattentiontothesky.com/2011/10/06...
"The poor in spirit, of course, are not the weak-spirited; they are exactly the opposite. They are strong enough to be detached from riches, that is, from the whole world. They are those who are strong enough not to be enslaved to their desires for the things of this world.
http://payingattentiontothesky.com/category/h...
I was going to ask you if that was Fr. Barron, and then I clicked on the link, lol! He's so good, he always hits the mark.

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#416850 Jan 19, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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I was going to ask you if that was Fr. Barron, and then I clicked on the link, lol! He's so good, he always hits the mark.
ReginaM
Peace

lol...Yes he is quite good. He really defines things well. A great communicator.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416851 Jan 19, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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LTM
And the Blessed Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus, not just the flesh, but also the God....whicch we know as the hypostatic union each. Thus the Blessed Mary is the mother of Jesus of the flesh, and mother of God, known as the hypostatic union of each.
You cannot seperate Jesus into two. You said it yourself.
God is a Spirit how can Mary be the Mother of a Spirit the Holy Spirit at that.

got to go IT'S HOCKEY NIGHT IN CANADA. WE LOVE OUR HOCKEY EH

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#416852 Jan 19, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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LTM
And the Blessed Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus, not just the flesh, but also the God....whicch we know as the hypostatic union each. Thus the Blessed Mary is the mother of Jesus of the flesh, and mother of God, known as the hypostatic union of each.
You cannot seperate Jesus into two. You said it yourself.
What you are saying is not what the Catholic Encyclopedia teaches...quote: Jesus Christ - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race.....
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416853 Jan 19, 2013
"What does the Bible say about the virgin Mary?"

Answer: Mary the mother of Jesus was described by God as “highly favored”(Luke 1:28). The phrase “highly favored” comes from a single Greek word, which essentially means “much grace.” Mary received God’s grace.

Grace is “unmerited favor,” meaning something we receive despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mary needed grace from God just as the rest of us do. Mary herself understood this fact, as she declared in Luke 1:47,“... and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior...”

Mary recognized that she needed the Savior. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

Mary did not have an “immaculate conception.” The Bible doesn’t suggest Mary’s birth was anything but a normal human birth. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus (Luke 1:34-38), but the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary is unbiblical. Matthew 1:25, speaking of Joseph, declares,“But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.”

The word “until” clearly indicates that Joseph and Mary did have sexual union after Jesus was born. Joseph and Mary had several children together after Jesus was born. Jesus had four half-brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). Jesus also had half-sisters, although they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:55-56). God blessed and graced Mary by giving her several children, which in that culture was the clearest indication of God’s blessing on a woman.

One time when Jesus was speaking, a woman in the crowd proclaimed,“Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed”(Luke 11:27). There was never a better opportunity for Jesus to declare that Mary was indeed worthy of praise and adoration. What was Jesus’ response?“On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it”(Luke 11:28). To Jesus, obedience to God’s Word was more important than being the woman who gave birth to the Savior.

Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus, or anyone else, direct any praise, glory, or adoration towards Mary. Elizabeth, Mary’s relative, praised Mary in Luke 1:42-44, but her praise is based on the blessing of giving birth to the Messiah. It was not based on any inherent glory in Mary.

Mary was present at the cross when Jesus died (John 19:25). Mary was also with the apostles on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:14). However, Mary is never mentioned again after Acts chapter 1. The apostles did not give Mary a prominent role. Mary’s death is not recorded in the Bible. Nothing is said about Mary ascending to heaven or having an exalted role there. As the earthly mother of Jesus, Mary should be respected, but she is not worthy of our worship or adoration.

The Bible nowhere indicates that Mary can hear our prayers or that she can mediate for us with God. Jesus is our only advocate and mediator in heaven (1 Timothy 2:5). If offered worship, adoration, or prayers, Mary would say the same as the angels:“Worship God!”(see Revelation 19:10; 22:9.) Mary herself sets the example for us, directing her worship, adoration, and praise to God alone:“My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for He has been mindful of the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me — holy is His name”(Luke 1:46-49).

yougotquestions.com
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416854 Jan 19, 2013
Recommended Resource: The Gospel According to Rome: Comparing Catholic Tradition and The Word of God by James McCarthy.

Since: Dec 06

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#416855 Jan 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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What you are saying is not what the Catholic Encyclopedia teaches...quote: Jesus Christ - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race.....
Oxbow

Jesus is God

"St. John affirms in plain words that Jesus is God.

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php...
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#416856 Jan 19, 2013
LTM wrote:
"What does the Bible say about the virgin Mary?"
Answer: Mary the mother of Jesus was described by God as “highly favored”(Luke 1:28). The phrase “highly favored” comes from a single Greek word, which essentially means “much grace.” Mary received God’s grace.
Grace is “unmerited favor,” meaning something we receive despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mary needed grace from God just as the rest of us do. Mary herself understood this fact, as she declared in Luke 1:47,“... and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior...”
Mary recognized that she needed the Savior. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).
Mary did not have an “immaculate conception.” The Bible doesn’t suggest Mary’s birth was anything but a normal human birth. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus (Luke 1:34-38), but the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary is unbiblical. Matthew 1:25, speaking of Joseph, declares,“But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.”
The word “until” clearly indicates that Joseph and Mary did have sexual union after Jesus was born. Joseph and Mary had several children together after Jesus was born. Jesus had four half-brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). Jesus also had half-sisters, although they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:55-56). God blessed and graced Mary by giving her several children, which in that culture was the clearest indication of God’s blessing on a woman.
One time when Jesus was speaking, a woman in the crowd proclaimed,“Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed”(Luke 11:27). There was never a better opportunity for Jesus to declare that Mary was indeed worthy of praise and adoration. What was Jesus’ response?“On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it”(Luke 11:28). To Jesus, obedience to God’s Word was more important than being the woman who gave birth to the Savior.
Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus, or anyone else, direct any praise, glory, or adoration towards Mary. Elizabeth, Mary’s relative, praised Mary in Luke 1:42-44, but her praise is based on the blessing of giving birth to the Messiah. It was not based on any inherent glory in Mary.
Mary was present at the cross when Jesus died (John 19:25). Mary was also with the apostles on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:14). However, Mary is never mentioned again after Acts chapter 1. The apostles did not give Mary a prominent role. Mary’s death is not recorded in the Bible. Nothing is said about Mary ascending to heaven or having an exalted role there. As the earthly mother of Jesus, Mary should be respected, but she is not worthy of our worship or adoration.
The Bible nowhere indicates that Mary can hear our prayers or that she can mediate for us with God. Jesus is our only advocate and mediator in heaven (1 Timothy 2:5). If offered worship, adoration, or prayers, Mary would say the same as the angels:“Worship God!”(see Revelation 19:10; 22:9.) Mary herself sets the example for us, directing her worship, adoration, and praise to God alone:“My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for He has been mindful of the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me — holy is His name”(Luke 1:46-49).
yougotquestions.com
" yougotquestions.com "???

Holy cow....you shouldn't be allowed to touch a bible with a ten foot pole.

Since: Dec 06

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#416857 Jan 19, 2013
LTM wrote:
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God is a Spirit how can Mary be the Mother of a Spirit the Holy Spirit at that.
got to go IT'S HOCKEY NIGHT IN CANADA. WE LOVE OUR HOCKEY EH
LTM

Jesus is God(the Word) John 1
The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Therefore....The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of God(the Word).

The Holy Spirit is the Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary(Luke 1:35)
(What God hath joined together, let no man put assunder.)
Dust Storm

Pennock, MN

#416858 Jan 19, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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LTM
Jesus is God(the Word) John 1
The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Therefore....The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of God(the Word).
The Holy Spirit is the Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary(Luke 1:35)
(What God hath joined together, let no man put assunder.)
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a79.htm
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416859 Jan 19, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Oxbow
Jesus is God
"St. John affirms in plain words that Jesus is God.
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php...
What is the Hail Mary that Catholics say so often?"

Answer: The “Hail Mary,” Ave Maria in Latin, is a Roman Catholic prayer to the Virgin Mary that consists of salutations and a plea for her intercession. Also, the term "Hail Mary pass" was used by the press to describe a pass by Dallas Cowboys quarterback Roger Staubach in a 1975 divisional playoff game and has come to be synonymous in football with a long pass that has little chance of success. The text of the Hail Mary prayer incorporates two Bible passages:“Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee" (Luke 1:28) and “Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb" (Luke 1:42). The first passage is the angel Gabriel’s greeting to Mary when he came to inform her that she had been chosen to bear the Messiah. The second is her cousin Elizabeth’s greeting to Mary when Mary came to visit her cousin, who was also pregnant at the time with John the Baptist. The third part of the Hail Mary prayer is not from the Bible and is, in fact, in direct contradiction to Scriptural truth:“Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”

This last part of the Hail Mary prayer has three unbiblical parts to it. First, Mary is not and never was “holy.” Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

The second unbiblical part of the Hail Mary is addressing Mary as the “Mother of God.” Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

The third unbiblical statement in the Hail Mary is the plea for her to “pray for us sinners.” Here we see the unbiblical practice of praying to Mary to intercede with God for us. First, we do not need an intercessor with God. Christ is the only intercessor we need. Through Jesus and Him alone, we have direct access to the Father. Christ alone mediates and intercedes between God and man.“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”(1 Timothy 2:5). Prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-biblical. Praying to Mary or petitioning her to pray for us is against the Scriptures. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone, something God hates and will not tolerate (Isaiah 42:8).

While Mary was certainly a godly young woman greatly blessed in that she was chosen to bear the Savior of the world, she was not in any way divine, nor was she sinless, nor is she to be worshipped, revered, venerated, or prayed to.

yougotquestions.com
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416860 Jan 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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" yougotquestions.com "???
Holy cow....you shouldn't be allowed to touch a bible with a ten foot pole.
As my grandson would tell you there is no such thing as a cow that is holy, what an insult to God, who Jesus said is the only one who is Holy.
You don't want me to touch a bible why; I want you to touch a bible better still read it all of it not just bits and pieces.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#416861 Jan 19, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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LTM
Jesus is God(the Word) John 1
The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Therefore....The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of God(the Word).
The Holy Spirit is the Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary(Luke 1:35)
(What God hath joined together, let no man put assunder.)
Well that would make Mary the mother of the Son, as well as the Father, and married to the Holy Spirit.

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