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Since: Nov 08
#416775 Jan 19, 2013
gotta go be back later dog needs food.
#416776 Jan 19, 2013
#1.. You are the one claiming moral superiority and Jesus' favor, not me.
#2... If the country founded by Protestants and deists is so terrible as you say -- nothing is keeping you from walking your BS talk and going to a society guided by Catholic ideals.
Yet somehow, just like this Catholic-in-denial -- THEY NEVER DO.
#416777 Jan 19, 2013
LMAO at the rhetorical spin.
"..... so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church."
FACT: Fatima, every Pope since 1917 makes the pilgrimage.
FACT: Called by Popes "the most important" in church history.
But it does NOT really "belong, however, to the deposit of faith."
OK, when Catholic-in-denial stops spinning -- please tell us where we can find a list of the "infallible teachings" of this deposit of faith?
In short, it helps the spin and BS when things are made overly complicated and above all -- no one can provide specifics.
OK, now "deposit of faith's" infallible teachings. Where?
#416778 Jan 19, 2013
I cannot believe that they try to hid behind what the rest of the world does!
First, they claim that the rest of the world is evil.
Then the claim that they are no different from the rest of the world.
Then they have the balls to claim that they are bound for Heaven, because they are doing God's will!
Which is it?
#416779 Jan 19, 2013
Funny how protestants are so quick to dismiss sexual abuse and covering up in protestant communities as 'not in MY church!'. LTM shared personal information about her abusive father, a pentecostal minister, yet spends a majority of the time blasting criminal priests. If she wants to know how a man of the cloth can abuse, she should be asking a protestant since it occurs more often in your communities....
#416780 Jan 19, 2013
Good I don't see a pit anymore,you sound like a person seeking justice,and I can relate to that.
The Pope(Benedict XVI),has done more than people give him credit to face the crisis of child molesting in his church.He has publicly denounced the actions of priests who do such things,he has spoken to youth gatherings in many countries and confessed to the world virtually,that, priests have done these terrible things,they will be sought out and defrocked,and that his heart breaks for the victims.VICTIMS have even gone to the youth conferences and talked to the Pope,and the Cardinals assembled there.What more can the church do than to constantly make it their purpose to open dialogue with victims,and be full of remorse over what has happened in their watch as it were?
Not only that many of the priests who victimized boys were men who in their sixties and seventies are arressted for those crimes and facing penalties whatever they may be. The present priests who are found that committed such crimes are older,so than within a 20 year period pedophile crimes are now brought to light. Not all bishops and cardinals covered it up,some did,that does not mean everyone is guilty of what some did.
I Think that it is a reality we all are ashamed of,but to accuse all priests of being pedophiles is not practical either,and we have to respect the ultimate fact that PRIESTS are not trained or taught,nor are they given the license to violate children or young women.
It is not a secret society of men who decide to sin in this way,but a problem with perhaps the stringent rules of celibacy.Many of those perpetrators reflect in their actions the lack of discipline to avoid sexual entertainment,which no doubt gives them the impetus to move on boys or girls for that matter.Our society especially here in America is vile with its sexual promiscuity.It is no wonder that anyone is a virgin in our society.
I believe that we must stand up against pedophiles,but that we should look at every segment of our own society and see what fosters such behavior.
A man who does such things has to be motivated by something,whether he be a teacher,priest,rabbi,minister, cleric of any religious group,counselor,whatever. The fact is men who do these crimes are driven by an evil passion to satisfy their sexual desires,Satan is no respecter of persons,it is not a Catholic Ill,but a human flaw that is so destructive and is surfacing even moreso in Southeast Asia,where children are being abducted by wicked men who are using the children in a SEX[-Trade of terrible proportions. Why are we not speaking about that horrible reality in Asia?
Western and Middle Eastern men are going to those countries so they can buy children for an evening or perhaps a week even,to enjoy sexual pleasure with them,if that isn't beyond evil I don't know what is? Christian groups have been going to those countries to try and salvage some of those precious children from the Sex[-Trade. It is beyond our wildest imagination that governments are not doing enough to stop it.IT should never exist,but it does.Yet so many come on here and harp on everyday about a fraction of priests,for the most part did those things 20 years ago.Not that any of it should ever be justified!
#416781 Jan 19, 2013
One very important point, who is covering up for these others you mentioned?
Side stepping the issue is no way to handle the issue.
No other denomination has ever covered up such a crime, as the RCC has done.
Maybe several individual churches have. Maybe many families have. But never an entire denomination, like the RCC, has ever been caught and all that you can do, is hide and add to the cover up.
#416782 Jan 19, 2013
Yes, I read it....it's from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
This is what we teach and believe.
Did you click on those lovely Orthodox Holy Icons or read the presentation on the Theotokos from the Orthodox Archbishop? Very informative.
Since: Dec 06
#416783 Jan 19, 2013
Why do you believe most men, like the guy who wrote the article?
He was just out to make a buck off of his books....
The so-called experts are out for a buck or a position.
This so-called movement to discredit the Bible started in the late 1800s. Unfortunately, recent discoveries as to how old some of the N.T. writings are, demonstrate their they were completely wrong.
No citations please. Opinions about opinions....What a way to try and discredit the Bible. You need to come up with something better....Lie upon lie, just for a buck....Sounds like the hypocrites and Judas....
Since: Dec 06
#416785 Jan 19, 2013
There is a difference between creating and making.
Have you created any atoms or photons today?
No, you have just rearranged them. That is making.
Basic law of the Universe...,matter and energy are neither created or destroyed, only transmutted....
#416786 Jan 19, 2013
A small percentage of sick and perverted Catholic priests abusing thousands of innocent adolescent boys and young men enabled by some ingorant Catholic bishops based on bad advice from prevailing psychological recommendations at the time (also, BTW, occuring in protestant communities at a slightly higher rate) over a period of 60+ years, and which has vociferously fought against the evil of abortion...
A protestant founded country which endorsed, legalized and enabled the slaughter of 55 million innocent babies in the womb since 1970.
I know which group I think is morally superior. I guess you just value life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness differently....
#416788 Jan 19, 2013
Anthony,it is not widely known that ministers MOSTLY married seek to molest children.Some cases of it no doubt,and I am not denying it,but the greater sin of Ministers is usually adultery with a woman who is not their wife.And even the random GAY encounter as we know that of, Pastor Turner,or Jim Baker,basically unheard of.
Cover up is everywhere,that is why I do not get on the band wagon of constantly bringing up Catholic priest pedophiles.The comments on this forum about priest pedophilia do exceed the truth of what really has happened.I only met one priest who was a pedophile in action,the one who got a hold of me and other orphans years ago. But in my many years I have never met a known one personally other than him. We suspected by wife's cousin of being a pedophile,(he is a priest),but it really has never been proven to the fact that he indeed was one.
You are right however in wondering why LTM is so adamant when she herself went through that aweful experience herself from a minister(family member).Very outrageously sad.I have been through the experience of being a victim,but because of the Lord,I cannot target all priests just because one took liberties with me and other boys in that orphanage.I would not doubt that the very priest was later targeted and even defrocked,or maybe he was never brught to light,if he did not repent. The end of the wicked is in hell,we should never envy them.
You know and I know that the perpetrators of such crimes are a fraction,not the majority.
#416789 Jan 19, 2013
It was not until recently that society deemed pedophilia a crime. That in it self should give those who claim that, your God is the author of morality, a clue that he is not.
If you look at state law in America, you will see the change in the age of consent throughout the years.
Why are we so upset with the RCC? Simple, if one priest was caught, how many of his superiors had to know what happened and they chose to cover it up.
When one priest was caught, all the priests in that church, more than likely, knew about it. The reason for transfer had to given to the local bishop, right? Now, for the RCC's sake, let's say that the bishop was unaware of the real reason. OK, but how many of the priests involved with the cover up, moved up to being a bishop? Now they have the power to do something, but they chose not to.
They get reports from the next wave of priests that need a quick transfer. Do they ask questions or do they see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil?
As these bishops move up and the second wave of priests who know what is happening move up, another round of bad priests get their quickie transfers and no one says a things!
All this is done by people who 'answered God's call'!
How many victims does it take before we take action? How many cover ups does it take?
Do you really believe that people will forgive and forget so quickly?
When you hear that the RCC claims that it cannot pay restitution to the victims, because the buildings do not belong to the church, they belong to the followers; yet the buy a $58 million building in California; what are we supposed to think?
#416790 Jan 19, 2013
I don't know what you think you posted here Regina, but what has it got to do with our faith in a Faithful God.
The Bible clearly States without faith You can not please God, and without faith God will not move.
When Jesus was healing people in the N.T. He said your faith has healed you.
You church has no authority over the word of the Lord, to change it or anything else and that is what you do.
To say otherwise is preaching a false doctrine.
My understand of the catholic church thEY take scripture then say as an example (THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ,BUT IT MEANS THIS
AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GODS ONLY TRUE CHURCH SO THEY HAVE THE ONLY AUTHORITY TO TELL THE WORLD WHAT IT SAYS).
I AM TELLING YOU THAT IS RUBBISH.
IF YOUR GOING TO FEED THE MONKEYS, MAKE SURE ITS NOT SOMETHING THEY ARE GOING TO CHOKE TO DEATH ON IT.
YOUR RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE ARE PUTTING PEOPLE INTO HELL IN DROVES.
Since: Dec 06
#416792 Jan 19, 2013
These are some really beautiful icons....
#416793 Jan 19, 2013
I disagree with that priest's remedy to stop Witnesses from coming to your door.They come to everyone's door,as they are following the true pattern of what the early Apostles and disciples of Christ did in the first[-Century church.When Witnesses come to our door,we simply tell them that we do not agree with them,and we are busy.
I am not for taking their right away to visit each home,and involving the police.Nevertheless,if they badger people,than the people need to stand up for their privacy and challenge the Witnesses to literally leave them alone ,without incident.
In the Bible the early Apostles and disciples went from door to door compelling people to forsake evil and become followers of Christ.
#416794 Jan 19, 2013
What in the world are you talking about??
It has absolutely nothing to do with the paragraphs I copied and pasted from the Catechism regarding Private Revelations.
Away with your bile. It sounds like the only choking being done around here is you choking on the truth that Christ founded ONE church...One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism...not 40,000+ different Lords, Faiths, Baptisms. You people can't even agree if Jesus is truly man and truly God, or not. Every time one of you posts about it, a different answer comes up. But all are invariably non-Christian. Very frightening. That's why protestantism is a heresy in and of itself, a tremendous sin of pride. Which God do you believe in, LTM? Is the Christ you believe in truly human? Or is He truly God? Or is He both? Is He God at all? Did His Blessed Mother give birth to all of Him or half of Him? Most of you say half. So what happened to the other half? And on and on it goes, so far removed from the faith of our fathers, the faith of those who walked with God made man. Much too far removed and you get further away with each passing day. What a pity.
#416795 Jan 19, 2013
Pad, I have know many young men and heard the testemony of another who dreamed of being priest, to serve the Lord from their hearts.
Everyone of them were molested by older priest, as alter boys or when they entered the priesthood.
I am not talking about one or two men Pad.
I have said many times my heart goes out to the many men and woman who have chosen to serve God as a priest or a nun even though they are innocent of abuse are painted with the same brush.
We have a wonderful spirit filled priest up here at "Christ the King Church," He loves the Lord so much many catholic's are being filled with the gospel of Jesus because of Him.
My father was jailed for what he did, I used the story of my Dad to show abuse was not just in the catholic church, its in every walk of life.
Regina and Anthony found another use for that info.
I would not let my kids in to boy Scouts, but they were alter boys,
because I trusted the Priest who I call my personal Angel.
So Pad I don't believe all catholic priest are pedophiles or homosexuals .
I don't paint all cathoic's with the same brush as Regina and Anthony do with Protestants.
#416796 Jan 19, 2013
They are lovely, aren't they? And so are their meanings. Icons are so rich with symbolism, every detail has a special significance, including the borders and backgrounds.
As the site points out, the Apostle St. Luke was an iconographer and some of these are attributed to him. So much for statues and other representations being against the commandments. And it certainly refutes the claim of the Madonna being a figure from mythology, lol!
#416797 Jan 19, 2013
"Simple, if one priest was caught, how many of his superiors had to know what happened and they chose to cover it up."
His superior is his bishop. The bishop wasn't covering up, he was simply following the prevailing treatment course for anyone who was accused of sexual deviancy in those days. Most of the bishops during that time were advised by the psychological profession to send him to treatment and once he received a "clean bill of health" from the experts, the bishop re-assigned him. We know now, AFTER THE FACT, is was the wrong thing to do and those criminals should've been kicked out of the priesthood and turned over to the authorities.
But the axe you have to grind with the Catholic Church isn't really just about sick abusing priests now is it?
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