Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
4GVN

Scott City, MO

#415435 Jan 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand what worship is?
ah that's it. Maybe I have been worshiping that marble image and didn't know it!! not!
God clearly meant creating statues and worshiping them. He clearly meant putting images in place of Him as a deity. That is what would make Him jealous.
God did not mean we couldn't use our artistic ability to create an image to further Glorify HIM.
Like I said, this was all already explained to you.
Your opinion is set.
Now YOU need to start explaining your logic.
Why does an image of Christ in Marys arms make God Jealous?
Why do you accuse Catholics of worshiping it, even though we testify how crazy that is?
Then explain to me exactly where is the line between veneration and worship? Do ANY catholics in all of the world EVER cross over that line? Is Mary ever 'worshipped' like God?
The literal Greek translation of the 2nd commandment does not say 'putting images in [lace of Him as deity'. The literal translation is 'Thou shalt have no other gods in My presence.'
Why do you think man's artistic ability in making images or icons somehow 'further glorifies Him.
If someone made a statue of Clay that looked nothing like Clay would you be pleased? Do you KNOW what Jesus looked like? And why do you feel that you need an image to 'hesp' you remember to worship God? Does He posses lso little of your heart and mind that you are always forgetting about Him?
And again you are ignoring the instructions regarding graven images. The scripture clearly says not to make unto thyself 'any graven images'. But why would you care what scripture says? You only care what the RCC says.
But someday you will give an account to God( not the magisterium) explaining why you chose to disregard His very detailed instructions.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#415436 Jan 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>in following the advice of my lawyer, I refuse to say anything according to my rights under the 5th admendment
When your argument is weak or you have to lie, that is the best course.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#415437 Jan 13, 2013
Aviela wrote:
So when Jesus died and there was an earthquake and a voice from heaven said this is my son was Jesus using a special mic with a Boom sound that went up to heaven and the voice came down to earth??
And the other 2 times Jehovah said from heaven this is my son when Jesus was on earth that was Jesus playing mind games so that you can come with the conclusion that Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit are 3 and equal one?
How can you believe this distorted trinity belief? A child will not even fall for it.
Wow
Some beliefs are ridiculous. ONE RELIGION for how many possible planets? A few trillion at least? LOL

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415438 Jan 13, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes that is the guy's name, Funny some how I knew you would know LOL.
I don't read a lot of religious books that people write.
Thank you for answering me.
My Mother's last name is Stein, Some people try to spell it Stien but its not correct. she is German with Jewish and English roots.
What church does Armstrong belong to, I don't watch T.V. evangalists either.
he died a few years ago. I think the name of his ministry was worldwide church of god.

here are some views of that statement about the lost tribes which they now reject as being untrue

10. British Israelism/Anglo-Israelism.(und er Armstrong)-- Views the "lost ten tribes" of Israel as the key to prophecy. Claims that "Judah" and "Israel" always refer to the two separate nations, and that inhabitants of Great Britain are of the tribe of Ephraim, while the inhabitants of America are of the tribe of Manasseh.(Armstrong never did explain how a Britisher, by immigrating to the U.S., moves from the tribe of Ephraim to the tribe of Manasseh.) Claims that white Anglo-Saxons are the chosen people of God.

British Israelism/Anglo-Israelism.(und er Tkach)-- Late-1995, the church officially rejected the doctrine that the Anglo-Saxons descended from the tribes of Israel

The doctrinal foundation of the Worldwide Church of God was adopted from the Seventh-Day Adventists through the Church of God-7th Day. Armstrong added the Identity of Modern Israel theory which he obtained from J. H. Allen and the Jewish Feast Days

this is like the jw's"Also, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but an active force emanating from God. " marge would go bonkes on this statement.Armstrong taught that a believer could lose salvation by disobeying what Armstrong declared to be "God's command through His chosen Apostle." He wrote, "Do you want to let resentment against God's government over you NOW disqualify you -- snatch you from God's GRACE and PURPOSE for you, and cast you into a lake of fire?" (Dear Brethren Letter, May 2, 1974, p. 7).
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/arm...

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#415439 Jan 14, 2013
Aviela wrote:
So when Jesus died and there was an earthquake and a voice from heaven said this is my son was Jesus using a special mic with a Boom sound that went up to heaven and the voice came down to earth??
And the other 2 times Jehovah said from heaven this is my son when Jesus was on earth that was Jesus playing mind games so that you can come with the conclusion that Jehovah, Jesus, and the holy spirit are 3 and equal one?
How can you believe this distorted trinity belief? A child will not even fall for it.
Wow
your statement is false and even achild would know that. at the time of the earthquake, a roman soldier uttered these words. TRULY, THIS WAS THE SON OF GOD

and i think it was tony curtis who said them.

you will redicule the bible now but some day, you will meet russell in hell and hate him for all eternity for the mess that his lies bought to you.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#415440 Jan 14, 2013
15Jan13.....

.....Well, Christmas and New Year's has come and gone.

Ps:.....It was comforting to see that Pope Benedict XVI, while flying around the world, looked out of his window and gave his blessings.

Now, everyone everywhere, regardless of creed, will be drinking Holy Water the rest of their lives.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415441 Jan 14, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Jethro,I will never forget my son,mother,grandparents or any other loved one that has passed away.
then they are truly blessed people. i said what i did because noticed it happening when i go to my mothers grave,i saw the same people there for awhile,one i'll never forget a young woman (25-30) lost her baby,every time i went to see my mom she was there reading a chldrens book to her child,then one time went and she was not there and i haven't seen her since,and it's been over a year now.an elderly lady who's husband is next to my mother,came all the time to see her husband,then stopped,in this case though i think it is because she can't get there anymore,she was in her late 80's early 90's,so the g/f and i look after his grave for her,she was a nice woman,her granddaughter use to allways be with her.anyway i notice it a lot people most likely stop coming because of the pain,to know that they'll never see that person again,and the fact they are buried in the cold ground,it may get to bother people and could one reason they stop going.or they themselves passed away.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415442 Jan 14, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Jethro,I will never forget my son,mother,grandparents or any other loved one that has passed away.
i'll never forget my parents also,but there never seems time to go to the grave and see them,my dad is way down on the cape at a miltary base,my though is closer she is buried in the town we were born in,which i objected to,i wanted her brought to the cape and buried next to my father,but i lost the vote.everyone wanted her close by to go see her,funny thig is no one really does except me and my g/f.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415443 Jan 14, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
That's one interpretation.
Hojo chooses another interpretation. Hojo chooses to embrace a "church" that uses DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY as a barrier against truth and justice for thousands of orphans and deaf children.
Hojo rejects what Jesus said about those who harm children.
Hojo embraces a different view of "perfect morality."
PS --- a "church" that also uses DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY as a barrier against EU and USA bank examiners as well. This is a unique RCC interpretation of Jesus' last act as a free man on earth.
..the united nations should vote on stripping the church of this immunity,for it's not right,only the catholic church has it? no other church does? wonder how much it cost them to bribe people for the immunity.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415444 Jan 14, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
hey karen, have you ever sopped bean soup with corn bread and got it on your chin before?lol
you are out of line,why? what are you accomplishing here by throwing out these insults? you the forum bully?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415445 Jan 14, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
OK! Then quit your "babbling" about the word Catholic not being in the bible! You, jethro8 continue to "make things up" as you go along to fit your anti-catholic hostility and vindictiveness against the Historical and Biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His PROVEN One True Apostolic Universal (Catholic) Church!
other way around buddy,i don't have to make things up,all i have to do is read church history,that you and other catholics ignore,i've asked you and many others have asked for undeniable truth about the stupid,vitican statement,yet you supply no answers,you just talk chibberish,you reapeat yourself over and over again how anti-catholic we are,and you offer no proof to back your claim and the vaticans,because you CAN NOT

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415446 Jan 14, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Again- why don't you show me (in the bible) where every word, every phrase, every sentence (MUST BE IN THE BIBLE) in order for it to be TRUE!
Your response above is BOGUS and BUSTED!!
like i told you,constantine most likely told his group of men not to put every word in the bible, which they didn't, they burned books,why? what was in those books that he did not want the world to see,the fact that he is creating a false religion?,which he did,gods word was meant to be preached not written down,but the apostles chose to write them down,and CAN YOU prove that every thing they wrote is not in the bible?? i can.there are many books the men have stated that they are not inspired books,how do we know this? did jesus/god say so? why is the gospel of mary not there? the church holds her as an equal to god,so why leave the book out? why take out the book of ruth,thomas,sumarian and many others? we don't have the whole truth in the bible only part of it because of this.especially the part about books being burned by a pagan emporer.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415447 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
God doesn't say statues of Mary make Him Jealous. That wouldn't make sense.
Statues created as deitys and put in place of God would make Him Jealous.
You may have convinced yourself that Catholics create these statues to worship as a deity, but that don't make it truth. You can't ignore 1 billion testimonies and STILL falsely accuse us. That's violating the 9th commandment on your part.
i have witnessed people bowing to these idols and praying to them,strictly forbidden,but the church changed the commandments without authority in order to make money."“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth,You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,.....funny how you don't see this in the catholic version of the commandments,simply because of "MONEY",You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath. "you going to say this does not apply to the iodols made by catholic owned factories?"

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415448 Jan 14, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
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Where in scripture is Marion doctrine even mentioned? please back up your assertions with scripture.
Where in scripture is the word "bible" or "bible only" mentioned! Please back up your Protestant (personal opinionated" "pot of (made up) propaganda" with scripture!!........JETHRO:he asked to a straight forward question,why don't you answer him?instead you pull the old b.s. routine and try to deflect it away by asking a question in return,knowing full well you can not answer his.....here is another question,who gave constantine the authority to burn "possibly holy books?" what is the pagan/christian church hidding? can you give me a straight answer? "doubtful".

Since: Nov 08

usa

#415449 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Who then, is the true Church?
Whatever group it is, has the protection of Jesus Christ on faith and moral teachings. He promised to be with them until the end of time. He promised a visible Church, not a hidden secret one, and the gates of Hell will not bring it down- and neither will a handful of screwed up Priests.
I found that Church and I ain't about to call Christ a liar. This is called real faith in Jesus, Jethro.
All other Christian groups were started by some guy or girl with a personal take on the New Testament books.
Not the Catholic Church. It was started by Jesus Christ. No? Then where did that Church go that Christ was talking about?
jesus is the head of the church where he is present so is his church,since he is a spirit so is his church it is sitting in his fathers kingdom,and he sits in the chair of the true church for no man is perfect enough to take up such a position,if you read mathew like POPE HOJO does"16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven" he is giving him the keys to the church which lies in heaven. can you think of another interpratation to that statement? to me it makes sense jesus is handing him the keys to his church in heaven (if the one god theory is true).
Clay

United States

#415450 Jan 14, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text> jesus is the head of the church where he is present so is his church,since he is a spirit so is his church it is sitting in his fathers kingdom,and he sits in the chair of the true church for no man is perfect enough to take up such a position,if you read mathew like POPE HOJO does"16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven" he is giving him the keys to the church which lies in heaven. can you think of another interpratation to that statement? to me it makes sense jesus is handing him the keys to his church in heaven (if the one god theory is true).
You're saying Jesus is handing Peter the keys, so Jesus can build His Church..... in Heaven?
That lacks logic.
Clay

United States

#415451 Jan 14, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>i have witnessed people bowing to these idols and praying to them,strictly forbidden,but the church changed the commandments without authority in order to make money."“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth,You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,.....funny how you don't see this in the catholic version of the commandments,simply because of "MONEY",You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath. "you going to say this does not apply to the iodols made by catholic owned factories?"
Man, you're one 911 conspiracy Christianity guy, Jethro.

Ok, I get how people could THINK we're worshipping statutes at first glance.
If I just stumbled into America and walked pass the Lincoln Memorial, perhaps i would think those guys were worshiping that large figure. Many folks bow their heads in front of it in prayer.

I just think you're so filled with self hate and bigotry towards the Church, that you cling onto whatever negative things about them that is out there.

If I say the Catholic Church fed 4,000 homeless yesterday in the Twin Cities and opened up their doors for them to sleep in the basement.(which they did) you'd say "I'm sure it was a stupid sandwich and a fruit cup and they probably made em sleep on the floor"

project home

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truth

Perth, Australia

#415452 Jan 14, 2013
How many planets?..please explain meaning!
We as human don't be interesting on other way only how many inhabitant or have security for our life..did all trillions stars have life as us noooooooooooo
We are less then half from what others know..we are not even interesting know more or hide what others or small number know.
Over 216 is that to much know which life or possibility life..or in which condition..small medium large..how much small how much medium how much large?
3x 24+1=25
its precious when you drove with 3x heart
map its so beautiful
by my lovely dreamers
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#415453 Jan 14, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>i have witnessed people bowing to these idols and praying to them,strictly forbidden,but the church changed the commandments without authority in order to make money."“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth,You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,.....funny how you don't see this in the catholic version of the commandments,simply because of "MONEY",You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath. "you going to say this does not apply to the iodols made by catholic owned factories?"
According to the most important miracle in RCC history...

As a Catholic, here's how can you be saved.

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart."

Goddess Mary, 1917

Would the Catholic church lie?
Clay

United States

#415454 Jan 14, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> My bad. I thought you were Catholic. You all sound the same. You all believe in the trinity, torture in hell fire and celebrate holidays traditions of men and you think you're all going to heaven. Same thing right?
your image of those things is where the problem lays.
You vision God as a tall old guy with a white beard. But the creator is the light, Sun, love, life and a whole lot of other things not described in human language. Jesus is the human manifestation of God.
"I and the father are one".

You envision Hell as physical torture in fire, with Demons stabbing you with pitch forks, because that's the only way we know how to describe it. Its most likely just eternal separation from God by our own free will. There is no love there, because God is not there.

Finally, I don't think any Christian believes if they celebrate Christmas they're going to Heaven!

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