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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 626987 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415620 Jan 14, 2013
At left is a pagan Canaanite cultic pillar or "matstsebah", also found in excavations of the city of Hatzor, showing hands raised in praise to the sun disk, portrayed within the crescent moon.
Deu 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image (matstsebah); which the LORD thy God hateth.

On the cover of the Jan/Feb 2000 edition of
Envoy Magazine, a Catholic publication, an elevated consecrated host of the Eucharist is unmistakably depicted as a bright yellow sun disk against the background of a cloudy blue sky!

Above photo by Richard Lannoy



At left is pope John Paul II celebrating Mass, elevating a large host for adoration. Note the similarity with the pagan Canaanite pillar!
Image from the "Be Not Afraid" series of videos, Copyright © 1993,
Apostolate for Family Consecration,
P.O. Box 151, Bloomingdale Ohio, 43910.



Do you think this is what Jesus had in mind at the Last Supper? No, when He "broke bread" He handed His disciples a torn fragment of unleavened bread, that symbolized His sinless broken body on the cross, but this is NOT what is conveyed with a pressed, round, intact and unbroken wafer that has been so commonly used.

Now, a Catholic might respond: the manna that fell from heaven was ROUND:

Exo 16:14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.

Voila! The round disk-like wafer host of the Mass is a copy of God's manna!

No. Not, so fast. Note that scripture give us a description of manna in size, shape, color and taste:

Exo 16:14 And when the layer of dew lifted, there, on the surface of the wilderness, was a small round substance, as fine as frost on the ground.[NKJV]

Exo 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed [in size and shape], white [color]; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.[KJV]

Num 11:7 And the manna was as coriander seed [in size and shape], and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium [white].
Num 11:8 And the people went about, and gathered it, and ground it in mills, or beat it in a mortar, and baked it in pans, and made cakes of it: and the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil.[KJV]

Psa 78:24 he rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven.[NIV]
Psa 78:24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.[KJV]
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415621 Jan 14, 2013
The size and shape of manna

Exodus 16:14 tells us manna was small, small like the frost on the ground. We are also told in Exodus and Numbers that manna was like Coriander seed. Coriander is common today, and is used in brewing beer. It is round like a ball, and quite small. Eight to ten Coriander seeds might fit in the space of a pea. A picture of one ounce (hundreds) of Coriander Seeds. So Coriander is a miniscule round seed.

In Psalm 78 manna is further described as the grain or corn of heaven. In Strong's the word in Psalm 78 is:

H1715. dagan, daw-gawn'; from H1711; prop. increase, i.e. grain:--corn ([floor]), wheat.

Manna, therefore, was small and round like a ball, similar to a small seed grain.

The color of manna

The meaning of bdellium is somewhat uncertain, however, similar words in other languages favor identification with a resinous gum. In droplet form, the gum may have the appearance of a pearl, white. Exodus 16:31 confirms that manna was white in color by plainly stating it.

The taste of manna

Exo 16:31 ... the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Num 11:8 ... the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil.

As described in the Bible, manna resembled Coriander in size and shape: it was like a grain, like a small white round ball-like seed which was collected, ground up, and baked to make cakes, like wheat is ground to make bread. So, no, the Catholic wafer host does not imitate manna in either size or shape.

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Here is a Catholic Web page advocating that churches begin a program of perpetual 24 hour adoration (worship), of the wafer host:

Apostolate for Perpetual Adoration.

You might call this the perpetual worshipping of "God in (of ?) the Sunburst Monstrance".

Here are additional pictures of monstrances online-
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415622 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:...
Acts 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Note that the commandment of God forbids making and bowing down to images. Among pagans, perhaps the most common form of idolatry is sun worship, and the above prohibition would clearly exclude bowing down before images of the sun or moon (things in the heaven above). But then God gets even more explicit:
Deu 17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Deu 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Deu 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Jer 8:1 At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:
Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.
Jer 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts.
With that in mind, lets look at solar and lunar images directly associated with the Catholic Mass.
Pope John Paul II eold what is called a Monstrance or Ostensorium. It is used to display a round wafer of bread, called the host, which is used in what is called the Mass, Lord's Supper, Communion or Eucharistic meal. The Catholic believes this wafer of bread turns into the actual body of Christ when consecrated during the Mass.
From the "Be Not Afraid" series of videos, Copyright © 1992,
Apostolate for Family Consecration
The Roman Catholic Church even admits the Monstrance to be a sunburst:
"During the baroque period, it took on a rayed form of a sun-monstrance with a circular window surrounded by a silver or gold frame with rays."
You're biblically illiterate.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415623 Jan 14, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert good buddy...
Read your own words. You ran away.
1.. In no way was Paul under any type of diplomatic immunity. That's just plain silly. It's called civil law.
2... It is absurd to say the RCC somehow seeks to protect its priests. From what? From testifying under oath in a Court of Law.
3... "Everyone living in these times" are not charged with child sex-abuse, including abuse at orphanages on at least three continents, and international money laundering.
These are the exact purposes for which the RCC uses Diplomatic Immunity. Do you really equate Paul's situation with this?
You had nowhere to go, so you went off the deep end. Strawman?
Ireland...
http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/diplomat...
More...
http://www.examiner.com/article/catholic-chur...
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/epi...
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/27593
-- all to avoid accountability and justice.
QUESTION: How can you equate any of Paul's actions with this?
Free Mind

I looked at the links....All of it is inuendo. So no need to get into it.

Paul used his status as a Roman citizen to escape being stoned to death in Jerusalem. That is to say, he used his national status of being a Roman citizen.

Likewise, when it happened that a priest in one country served in another, and was sent back to his country of origin(whether knowing or not knowing he had done criminal acts), the Church cannot be held responsible for that individual's acts....

Paul a Roman citizen did a lot of traveling, and was unjustly accused but would have been killed in Jerusalem, by plotters, and/or the Jewish authorities.

Prists often travel to different countries, and can be unjusly accused....etc, etc....

Point proven.
marge

Ames, IA

#415624 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
People who think it's "sinful" are using the imagery as a proxy for their hatred of the Catholic Church and attempting to cause the division and separation you mention here.
We "do it" because it pleases the eye and glorifies God.
Sorry buddy your venerations of creation that pleases your eye Is worshipping creation and does not glorify God.

'pleases the eye' come on you know that's wrong.

No hate here but truth in love.
Anthony MN

Eden Prairie, MN

#415625 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
At left is a pagan Canaanite cultic pillar or "matstsebah", also found in excavations of the city of Hatzor, showing hands raised in praise to the sun disk, portrayed within the crescent moon.
Deu 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image (matstsebah); which the LORD thy God hateth.
On the cover of the Jan/Feb 2000 edition of
Envoy Magazine, a Catholic publication, an elevated consecrated host of the Eucharist is unmistakably depicted as a bright yellow sun disk against the background of a cloudy blue sky!
Above photo by Richard Lannoy
At left is pope John Paul II celebrating Mass, elevating a large host for adoration. Note the similarity with the pagan Canaanite pillar!
Image from the "Be Not Afraid" series of videos, Copyright © 1993,
Apostolate for Family Consecration,
P.O. Box 151, Bloomingdale Ohio, 43910.
Do you think this is what Jesus had in mind at the Last Supper? No, when He "broke bread" He handed His disciples a torn fragment of unleavened bread, that symbolized His sinless broken body on the cross, but this is NOT what is conveyed with a pressed, round, intact and unbroken wafer that has been so commonly used.
Now, a Catholic might respond: the manna that fell from heaven was ROUND:
Exo 16:14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.
Voila! The round disk-like wafer host of the Mass is a copy of God's manna!
No. Not, so fast. Note that scripture give us a description of manna in size, shape, color and taste:
Exo 16:14 And when the layer of dew lifted, there, on the surface of the wilderness, was a small round substance, as fine as frost on the ground.[NKJV]
Exo 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed [in size and shape], white [color]; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.[KJV]
Num 11:7 And the manna was as coriander seed [in size and shape], and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium [white].
Num 11:8 And the people went about, and gathered it, and ground it in mills, or beat it in a mortar, and baked it in pans, and made cakes of it: and the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil.[KJV]
Psa 78:24 he rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven.[NIV]
Psa 78:24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.[KJV]
LTM, the author of the website where you're stealing this information asks that you get permission before pasting their stuff;

".. but I specifically request that complete articles of mine not be duplicated or posted online verbatim (such as on another web page) without first obtaining my explicit permission.

That sounds fair doesn't it?... Michael Scheifler."

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/

Should you not be worrying that you might get sued for theft?
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415626 Jan 14, 2013
Here are additional pictures of monstrances online-
Museum of Monte Cassino, Italy.
The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.

The last item is quite extraordinary. In the 8th century, it is alleged that the host and wine turned into actual living flesh and blood during a Mass, which it is said, remain well preserved in a monstrance in Italy to this day.


On the right is a photo of a stele from Ur of the Chaldees, with the symbol of the Babylonian sun god Shamash within the crescent of the moon goddess Nanna.


Stele of Ur-Nammu, detail


At right is a close-up of a monstrance, and inside the glass enclosure is a crescent, upon which the round wafer god host is placed, a virtual duplication of the symbology of the Canaanite and Chaldean stele shown above. Many monstrances use this crescent, which is officially called a "lunette" or "luna" (moon), to hold the round wafer host. The sun disk in the crescent moon is a quite common symbol for pagan religions, to include Babylon, Syria, and India.


From the video "666 and the Mark" by James Arrabito,
Copyright © LLT Productions - Used by Permission


Worshipping the Eucharist as God


Images from the video "666 and the Mark" by James Arrabito,
Copyright © LLT Productions - Used by Permission


Above on the left you see the pagan sunburst wafer god, inscribed with IHS and the cross, is portrayed above the cup of wine. This is the door to a place where the wine and wafers are stored. Above on the right, you see a similar carving depicting angels kneeling in idolatrous adoration or worship of the wafer god and wine.

In case you think the word "worship" is an exaggeration on my part, please note this paragraph from the new Vatican Catechism of the Catholic Church:(Italics present in the original text)

1378 Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. "The Catholic church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration, not only during Mass, but also outside of it, reserving the consecrated host with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession."

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Ligouri Publications, English translation © 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.--Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, page 347.

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Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415627 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
At left is a pagan Canaanite cultic pillar or "matstsebah", also found in excavations of the city of Hatzor, showing hands raised in praise to the sun disk, portrayed within the crescent moon.
Deu 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image (matstsebah); which the LORD thy God hateth.
On the cover of the Jan/Feb 2000 edition of
Envoy Magazine, a Catholic publication, an elevated consecrated host of the Eucharist is unmistakably depicted as a bright yellow sun disk against the background of a cloudy blue sky!
Above photo by Richard Lannoy
At left is pope John Paul II celebrating Mass, elevating a large host for adoration. Note the similarity with the pagan Canaanite pillar!
Image from the "Be Not Afraid" series of videos, Copyright © 1993,
Apostolate for Family Consecration,
P.O. Box 151, Bloomingdale Ohio, 43910.
Do you think this is what Jesus had in mind at the Last Supper? No, when He "broke bread" He handed His disciples a torn fragment of unleavened bread, that symbolized His sinless broken body on the cross, but this is NOT what is conveyed with a pressed, round, intact and unbroken wafer that has been so commonly used.
Now, a Catholic might respond: the manna that fell from heaven was ROUND:
Exo 16:14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.
Voila! The round disk-like wafer host of the Mass is a copy of God's manna!
No. Not, so fast. Note that scripture give us a description of manna in size, shape, color and taste:
Exo 16:14 And when the layer of dew lifted, there, on the surface of the wilderness, was a small round substance, as fine as frost on the ground.[NKJV]
Exo 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed [in size and shape], white [color]; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.[KJV]
Num 11:7 And the manna was as coriander seed [in size and shape], and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium [white].
Num 11:8 And the people went about, and gathered it, and ground it in mills, or beat it in a mortar, and baked it in pans, and made cakes of it: and the taste of it was as the taste of fresh oil.[KJV]
Psa 78:24 he rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven.[NIV]
Psa 78:24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.[KJV]
LTM

Are you saying that because the host is round that it is Baal worship?

Do you think it would be better if the host were in triangles like Doritos, or squares like Saltines?

No! No! That would be blasphemy! It would be worshipping Baal, you would say. The god of Doritos, and the god of Saltines can be traced to Baal worship....

Don't you see how silly you have become?

It is one thing to hold biases that are reasonable. It is quite another to hold biases that are absurd.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415628 Jan 14, 2013
And note this decree concerning the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist from the thirteenth session of the Council of Trent, October 11th, 1551:

Chapter V
THE WORSHIP AND VENERATION TO BE SHOWN TO
THIS MOST HOLY SACRAMENT

There is, therefore, no room for doubt that all the faithful of Christ may, in accordance with a custom always received in the Catholic Church, give to this most holy sacrament in veneration the worship of latria, which is due to the true God.

Source: The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, Translated and introduced by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., Published by Tan Books and Publishers, INC., Rockford Illinois, 61105,© 1978, ISBN: 0-89555-074-1, page 76.

Here is the Thirteenth Session of Trent online. See Chapter V.

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Dominicae Cenae - On the Mystery and Worship of the Eucharist, promulgated by John Paul II On February 24, 1980 To All the Bishops of the Church.
Pat

Granby, CT

#415629 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy crap
You're worse than a non-smoker-only they rival agnostics and atheists for their pathological need for affirmation.
Learn to be an honest man Dan only then will you know what it feels like to have some self respect.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415630 Jan 14, 2013
Conclusion

So the Catholic Church describes itself in its documents as engaged in the act of worshipping the Eucharist, which is also called adoration or veneration. Isn't it amazing how the Catholic Church justifies bowing down before images of the sun, as depicted by the monstrance and a round wafer, by claiming the bread has actually become God! God's commandment is cleverly made of no effect by the Traditions of men, by mixing error and truth.

This church is not only a cult it is a pagan ancient religion, it is not a christian church not one part of it.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#415631 Jan 14, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
LTM, the author of the website where you're stealing this information asks that you get permission before pasting their stuff;
".. but I specifically request that complete articles of mine not be duplicated or posted online verbatim (such as on another web page) without first obtaining my explicit permission.
That sounds fair doesn't it?... Michael Scheifler."
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/
Should you not be worrying that you might get sued for theft?
That's okay, she doesn't understand it anyway. She's biblically illiterate.

Bible Lite! That's about right.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415632 Jan 14, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry buddy your venerations of creation that pleases your eye Is worshipping creation and does not glorify God.
'pleases the eye' come on you know that's wrong.
No hate here but truth in love.
marge

Here is the center of the problem and that is prudence with temperance.

Temperance is not absolute ascetism. It is self-control in a situation.

God created and made all things good, including man, which includes man's artistry(as a part of God's Image, being the Master Artist).

The Master Artist makes His Creation Beautiful, because it is good.

Humanity makes art beautiful, when it is good.

It is good to make beautiful art.

Art that helps one worship God is good and beautiful.

(You are holding to the idea that art is evil and ugly. And this is why you reject statues and pictures that help one worship God. This is not prudent. And it is not temperate.)
Clay

Chicago, IL

#415633 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
Conclusion
So the Catholic Church describes itself in its documents as engaged in the act of worshipping the Eucharist, which is also called adoration or veneration. Isn't it amazing how the Catholic Church justifies bowing down before images of the sun, as depicted by the monstrance and a round wafer, by claiming the bread has actually become God! God's commandment is cleverly made of no effect by the Traditions of men, by mixing error and truth.
This church is not only a cult it is a pagan ancient religion, it is not a christian church not one part of it.
What if Jesus Christ is fully present in the Eucharist like the Apostles taught? Then would you still say its idolatry?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#415634 Jan 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"hojo" doesn't understand.
Just let him keep believing in the lie. Maybe one day, he'll see it for himself.
Sorry to disappoint you New Age!!! But I saw--and lived in--- the (Protestant) bible only "lie" for over 35 years, before coming to the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the Faith and the TRUTH in Jesus Christs Historically and Biblically PROVEN One True Catholic Church...... Bible only Protestantism (and all 42,000 conflicting beliefs), are a blatant (prodigal son) rebellious and defiant, "rejection" of the TRUTH of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible and a "distorting" of TRUE Church History. Plain and simple, it is "half-truth, half-heresy" Christianity, based "primarily" on attacking, judging and condemning the TRUTH of the Catholic Church and the faith and salvation of "any and all" Christians that disagree with them, especially Catholics.....Bible Only followers on this forum have (proven over and over and over again) that it CANNOT STAND ON ITS OWN BELIEFS---"without" attacking the TRUE FAITH, the TRUE CHURCH and especially Jesus Christ Himself---who initiated and established His (one and only) One True Apostolic Catholic Church, the bride of Christ!!!
Clay

Chicago, IL

#415635 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
The size and shape of manna
Exodus 16:14 tells us manna was small, small like the frost on the ground. We are also told in Exodus and Numbers that manna was
Snipped for idiocy.

LTM, do you ever post anything that is NOT copied slander and propaganda?

Btw, I bow down and worship the Eucharist. Because Jesus held it up and said "this is my body".
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#415636 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
You thiests are the dregs of society. Dishonest low IQ fools. Evidence proves that a turning away from god is the best thing for a society.
"If this often-touted religious theory were correct-that a turning away from God is at the root of all societal ills-then we would expect to find the least religious nations on earth to be bastions of crime, poverty, and disease and the most religious nations to be models of societal health. A comparison of highly irreligious countries with highly religious countries, however, reveals a very different state of affairs. In reality, the most secular countries-those with the highest proportion of atheists and agnostics-are among the most stable, peaceful, free, wealthy, and healthy societies. And the most religious nations-wherein worship of God is in abundance-are among the most unstable, violent, oppressive, poor, and destitute."
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...
Well you don't want someone to talk to you about God.
I want who the mind-less wonder is who willing come on a thread where they are talking about God . Then cry's foul
Go take a long walk off a short pier. Stupid is as stupid does.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#415637 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
Here are additional pictures of monstrances online-
Museum of Monte Cassino, Italy.
The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.
The last item is quite extraordinary. In the 8th century, it is alleged that the host and wine turned into actual living flesh and blood during a Mass, which it is said, remain well preserved in a monstrance in Italy to this day.
On the right is a photo of a stele from Ur of the Chaldees, with the symbol of the Babylonian sun god Shamash within the crescent of the moon goddess Nanna.
Stele of Ur-Nammu, detail
At right is a close-up of a monstrance, and inside the glass enclosure is a crescent, upon which the round wafer god host is placed, a virtual duplication of the symbology of the Canaanite and Chaldean stele shown above. Many monstrances use this crescent, which is officially called a "lunette" or "luna" (moon), to hold the round wafer host. The sun disk in the crescent moon is a quite common symbol for pagan religions, to include Babylon, Syria, and India.
From the video "666 and the Mark" by James Arrabito,
Copyright © LLT Productions - Used by Permission
Worshipping the Eucharist as God
Images from the video "666 and the Mark" by James Arrabito,
Copyright © LLT Productions - Used by Permission
Above on the left you see the pagan sunburst wafer god, inscribed with IHS and the cross, is portrayed above the cup of wine. This is the door to a place where the wine and wafers are stored. Above on the right, you see a similar carving depicting angels kneeling in idolatrous adoration or worship of the wafer god and wine.
In case you think the word "worship" is an exaggeration on my part, please note this paragraph from the new Vatican Catechism of the Catholic Church:(Italics present in the original text)
1378 Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. "The Catholic church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration, not only during Mass, but also outside of it, reserving the consecrated host with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession."
Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Ligouri Publications, English translation © 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.--Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, page 347.
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LTM

Rev 12:1

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:"

So you are saying "...from Ur of the Chaldees, with the symbol of the Babylonian sun god Shamash within the crescent of the moon goddess Nanna." is from where Christianity has its origin.

I would say you stand on the line of absolute rejection of the Bible. You have so polluted yourself with hatred of Catholicism that you will condemn even the Bible in order to make yourself known....

The people you are quoting. Do you know their intent? These are fanatics. This verse in Rev. condemns them already. Please do not add to them your soul.

Please bear in mind, you are polluting yourself. I am not doing this to you. It is your choice to pursue the direction of your journey. The more you condemn, the more you will be condemned....The more you judge, the more you will be judged....
Pat

Granby, CT

#415638 Jan 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Well you don't want someone to talk to you about God.
I want who the mind-less wonder is who willing come on a thread where they are talking about God . Then cry's foul
Go take a long walk off a short pier. Stupid is as stupid does.
You don't like being proved a liar and idiot do you? Boo hoo
Pat

Granby, CT

#415639 Jan 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What if Jesus Christ is fully present in the Eucharist like the Apostles taught? Then would you still say its idolatry?
Then I would say you are a bonafide cannibal. But your not, your a lets pretend cannibal.

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