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#414968 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> Hello Robert, and good morning to you. I must beging by saying thanks for being respectul and kind to me even though we think different:)
Well to answer your question according to the scriptures Jehovah doesn't have a beginning or end. He created Jesus. Jehovah and Jesus then created all things except Jehovah. He's always been. Jesus is Jehovah's first born his favorite out of all the angels. In the book of Hebrews it speaks how Jehovah feels about Jesus how he loves him, how Jesus is better than the angels Read Hebrews 1:5 here is one of the scriptures where Jehovah is expressing his love for Jesus his son.
Aviela good friend

I believe I understand you.

I was wondering, when you write Jehovah is without beginning or end, to what does this refer? Does that mean that Jehovah exists outside of time? If Jehovah is outside of time then is Jehovah outside of space as well? To my understanding the answer is yes. But I will respect your answer if it is expressed in a different way, or if there is another meaning....

I understand that JCWs believe that Jesus is an angel, and wisdom..., but I forget, there is a third aspect of Jesus which is not "trinitarian" which is fundamentally part of the whole beliefs on Jesus....Is this true?

But in my prior post I was trying to understand the relationship of Jehovah/Jesus/humanity, with respect to Creation....That is being created in God's Image....Is there a sort of progression of Jehovah made Jesus, and they together formed man into their image?

(I will have to wait for this answer. I am about to go to a wedding, which will be taking up the rest of the day for me. So I would appreciate a reply I could get to tomorrow....)
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414969 Jan 12, 2013
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Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!(Deuteronomy 6:4) We also know that the Bible gives attributes of deity to God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit of God. We also know that there are not three Godís, they are One.
Old Testament Passages
Isaiah 7:14-"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" (Immanuel literally means "God with us").
Isaiah 9:6-"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end...."
Jeremiah 23:5-6-"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." Christ's name in Hebrew is YHWH Tsidkenu, Jehovah Our Righteousness.
Micah 5:2-"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Christ has always existed because He is not a created being; He is God Almighty who has existed from everlasting.
Malachi 3:1-2-"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap." God's temple is Christ's temple. Christ comes as an all-powerful judge.
Psalm 45:1, 6-7-"I speak of the things which I have made touching the king.... Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee...." The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."
Psalm 110:1-3-"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power...." The LORD (Jehovah) will subdue all Christ's enemies. Yet Christ's rod and Christ's power will subdue all enemies. Christ's rule and power are clearly equal to God's. See Psalm 2 where a similar theme is discussed: "Serve the LORD [Jehovah] with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way..." (vv. 11-12). Note how "the Son" is set poetically in parallel with "Jehovah."
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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414970 Jan 12, 2013
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New Testament Passages
Matthew 1:23-"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
John 1:1-3, 14-"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
"The late New Testament Greek scholar Colwell formulated a rule which clearly states that a definite predicate nominative (in this case theos meaning 'God') never takes an article when it precedes the verb ('was') as we find in John 1:1. It is therefore easy to see that no article is needed for theos (God), and to translate it 'a god' is both incorrect grammar and poor Greek, since theos is a predicate nominative of 'was' in the third sentence-clause of the verse and must refer back to the subject,'Word'(logos). Christ, then, if He is the Word "made flesh" (Jn. 1:14), can be no one else except God, unless the Greek text, and consequently God's Word, be denied." [2]
John 1:18-"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
John 20:27-28-"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
Romans 9:5-"...Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen" (NKJV).
Philippians 2:5-8-"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
"'Who was in the form of God' are his [the Apostle Paul's] words: and they are words than which no others could be chosen which would more explicitly or with more directness assert the deity of...Jesus Christ.... Let us remember that the phraseology which Paul here employs was the popular usage of his day, though first given general vogue by the Aristotelian philosophy: and that it was accordingly the most natural language for strongly asserting the deity of Christ which could suggest itself to him....'Form,' in a word, is equivalent to our phrase 'specific character.'... With God...the 'form' is that body of qualities which distinguish Him from all other spiritual beings, which constitute Him God, and without which He would not be God. What Paul asserts, then, when he says that Christ Jesus existed in the 'form of God,' is that He had all those characterizing qualities which make God God, the presence of which constitutes God, and in the absence of which God does not exist. He who is 'in the form of God' is God."
Colossians 1:15-16-"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible...."
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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414971 Jan 12, 2013
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When the Apostle Paul says that Christ is the firstborn over all creation, he does not mean that Christ is the first created being. For he goes on to explain that Jesus Christ created everything in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Jesus Christ could not create Himself. The idea among various cults that Christ is the first created being is an impossible absurdity.
Colossians 2:8-10-"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power."
1 Timothy 1:16-17-"Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
1 Timothy 2:3-4-"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
1 Timothy 3:16-"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
1 Timothy 6:14-16-"...the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
Titus 1:3-"But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour."
Titus 2:10-"...showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."
Titus 2:13-"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (NKJV).
Hebrews 1:1-3-"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."
Hebrews 1:8-"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Jude 25-"To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen."
Jesus Christ Clearly Taught His Own Divinity
Revelation 21:6-7-"And he [Jesus Christ] said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
John 8:57-59-"Then the Jews said to Him,'You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them,'Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.' Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple..." (NKJV).
John 5:17-26-"But Jesus answered them,'My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.' Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. Then Jesus answered and said to them,...'For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.... For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself'" (NKJV).
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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414972 Jan 12, 2013
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John 10:28-39-"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them,... If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand."
Mark 2:5-11-"When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?...[Jesus] said unto them, But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins,(he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house" (cf. Lk. 5:20-24).
The scribes' theology was correct: "Who can forgive sins but God only?" Jesus didn't disagree with their conclusion; rather, through the miraculous healing He proved that He in fact was God and had the authority to forgive sins.
The Spirit-inspired writers of the New Testament applied Old Testament passages which specifically refer God-Jehovah to Jesus Christ; therefore, Jesus must be God-Jehovah.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414973 Jan 12, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
It depends what verse you read.(and what you want to see of it)
Bottom line: you guys teach that God is jealous of a depiction of Mary holding His Son.
For that, you throw all reason and logic out the window.
There is NO reason to have any statues. If you believe that the Bible is God's word then you know there should not be any statues. Its not what I teach. Its what the Bible says.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#414974 Jan 12, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
edited for space......
Think for a minute about the story you are talking about.
In our world we would never sacrifice our child over ourselves in such a scenario.
God sends his son down to die for our sins, and in order for this to happen he has to become a heretic in his own religion, piss off his church leaders SO BADLY that they want him dead. Scriptures claim that a small crowd determine his fate and they have a choice. JESUS or BARABAS. If the crowd used their own free will and screamed BARABAS instead, how would this whole scenario have ever panned out.
For the past 2000 years there has been controversy of who actually killed this man. The pope recently said the jews are not responsible for his death. Shouldn't we CLEARY know who is responsible for someone who claimed to be the son of God of who ordered his death?
Historians will tell you during this era there were many men who claimed to be the messiah, the son of God. How could so many others claim to have the same element of who they were. The son of God. Throughout history many beliefs that came long before christianity had trinitys, sacrificial meals, baptisms, concepts of heaven and hell and those that too claimed to offer eternal salvation if you believed in them. Did christianity plagurize most of the customs/traditions from man gods that lived a 1,000 years before?
makes no common sense....that a man comes along, claims he is the son of God, performs miracles, has customs/traditions and all of these were not UNIQUE to christianity or Jesus but practiced by others who lived and died centuries before.
makes no common sense..
All those answer are in the Bible Micheal. Don't take anything the pope says serious. You are a man of thinking skills. One day you will get your answers it will all make sense. Keep asking and you shall receive. Don't stop asking questions keep up the good work.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414975 Jan 12, 2013
AVIELA :I hope you will address what I posted I know it is long but worth the reading.
But I believe it disputes your claim that Jesus was created and not the creator.

I really don't think you have had many Bible study classes, you are only repeating why you were told to read from you JW Bible.

Preston knows what he is talking about he really does, even though we have knock heads he knows Gods word.
There is no hate in me for you, I spent the better part of 2 hours looking up these passages for you ,
and the commentaries for you.
The correct spell of Gods name has no vowels do not let the sun go down without seeking the truth.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414976 Jan 12, 2013
The Bible Ascribes Attributes to Jesus Christ, Which Can Only be Predicated of God

1. Jesus Christ is all-knowing (omniscient)

Matthew 12:25-"Jesus knew their thoughts."

Matthew 27:18-"For [Jesus] knew that for envy they had delivered Him."

Luke 6:8-"He knew their thoughts."

John 2:24-25-"But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man."

John 21:17-"And [Peter] said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee."

Revelation 2:23-"All the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each of you according to your works" (NKJV).

2. Jesus Christ is all-powerful (omnipotent)

Ephesians 3:20-"Now unto him [Christ] that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us."

Philippians 3:20-21-"...the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

Colossians 2:10-"Ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power."

Hebrews 1:3-"[Jesus Christ is] upholding all things by the word of his power."

Revelation 1:8-"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Revelation 2:26-27-"He who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations-'He shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the potter's vessels shall be broken to pieces'-as I also have received from My Father" (NKJV).

3. Jesus Christ is unchanging (immutable)

Hebrews 1:8-12-"But unto the Son he saith...Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."

Hebrews 13:8-"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" (NKJV). This passage disproves the idea that Jesus is a created being. For if Jesus was created, He was not the same yesterday. "Yesterday" (past) is contrasted with "forever" (future), and obviously refers to eternity past
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#414977 Jan 12, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> There is NO reason to have any statues. If you believe that the Bible is God's word then you know there should not be any statues. Its not what I teach. Its what the Bible says.
Actually, it's not what the Bible says.

"Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating Godís commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4Ė5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31).

It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.

Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!

Continue reading at http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-w...
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414978 Jan 12, 2013
4. Jesus Christ, as to his divine nature, is everywhere present (omnipresent)
Matthew 18:20-"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." At any given moment there are literally thousands upon thousands of Bible studies, prayer meetings and church services being conducted around the earth. Jesus Christ says that He is present at each gathering. Only God can be at thousands of different places at the same time.
Romans 8:10-"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness....[H]e that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." No created being, no matter how great, can dwell in the millions of Christians throughout the world; it is impossible. But it is not impossible for Jesus Christ who is God.
1 Corinthians 10:4-"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." Whenever believers partake of the Lord's Supper, Jesus Christ is spiritually present.
Revelation 2:1-"These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks." Jesus Christ is presented in Revelation as being present in the churches and being totally aware of each church's deeds in minute detail.
Revelation 3:20-"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Jesus Christ will personally fellowship with each repentant believer. This would be impossible if He were merely human, for there are millions of Christians spread over the whole globe.
5. Jesus Christ has eternal existence
Isaiah 9:6-"For unto us a child is born,...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father...."
John 1:1-3-"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him...." Jesus Christ existed with God prior to creation.
John 8:58-"Jesus said to them,'Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM'" (NKJV). Jesus certainly did not mean He existed as the first created being, because the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God.
Revelation 1:8-"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (cf. Rev. 22:13).
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414979 Jan 12, 2013
6. Jesus Christ is the Creator
The Bible teaches that God created everything that exists, whether spiritual or material. "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands" (Ac. 17:24). "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (Rev. 4:11). "[Him] that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein..." (Rev. 10:6). Yet the Bible also teaches that Jesus Christ created everything. This can only mean that Jesus Christ is God, for only God who is uncreated has the power to create from nothing. The Bible teaches that creation from nothing was an act of the God. That explains why Genesis 1:26 says, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Following are some verses of Scripture which teach that Christ is the Creator.
John 1:2-3-"He [Jesus Christ] was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him and without Him nothing was made" (NKJV).
John 1:10-"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."
1 Corinthians 8:6-"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
Colossians 1:16-17-"For by him [Jesus Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."
Hebrews 1:2-3-"...his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power...."
Hebrews 2:10-"For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things...."
Hebrews 3:3-4-"For this man [Jesus Christ] was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God."
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414980 Jan 12, 2013
7. Jesus Christ is the Judge of all mankind
The Bible teaches that on the last day of this age God will judge all men who ever lived. "Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the LORD, because he cometh to judge the earth" (1 Chr. 16:33). "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened...and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works" (Rev. 20:12). Only God is capable of judging all men. God is all-knowing and therefore knows every act. He is all-powerful, and therefore can carry out His punishments. He is perfectly holy and therefore can judge every sin without injustice. Only God who is moral and just in character has the authority to judge the human race. Yet the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ will judge the world. Christ Himself claimed the total authority and jurisdiction over mankind on the final day that can only belong to God. In fact, the judgment seat of God Almighty and the judgment seat of Jesus Christ are one and the same seat. Jesus said, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord.... And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Mt. 7:22-23). The fate of each and every person rests upon Christ's decision; He has the power and authority to render sentence and to cast men into hell-an authority reserved exclusively to God. Following are some biblical references which unmistakably establish that Jesus Christ is the Judge of all mankind.
Matthew 25:31-33, 41-"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.... Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."
John 12:48-"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
Acts 10:42-"It is He [Jesus Christ] who was ordained of God to be Judge of the living and the dead" (NKJV).
Acts 17:31-"He hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man [Jesus Christ] whom he hath ordained."
Romans 2:16-"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ...."
Romans 14:10-12-"For we shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written:'As I live, says the LORD [Jehovah], Every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.' So then each of us shall give account of himself to God"
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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414981 Jan 12, 2013
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(NKJV). This passage of Scripture not only presents Christ as Judge, but clearly teaches that on the day of judgment everyone will bow to Christ; that is, everyone will acknowledge that Christ is the LORD God. By introducing his quotation of Isaiah 45:23 with the familiar prophetic formula, "As I live, saith the LORD" (cf. Num. 14:28, Isa. 49:18, Jer. 22:24, Ezek. 5:11, Zeph. 2:9, etc.), and applying it to Christ, the Apostle Paul self-consciously and deliberately calls Christ Jehovah. Note also that at the Judgment Seat of Christ, everyone will give account of himself to God. This passage is a powerful and unmistakable statement of Christ's deity.
2 Corinthians 5:10-"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
2 Timothy 4:1, 8-"...the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.... Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."
Hebrews 10:30-"For we know Him who said,'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,' says the Lord. And again,'The LORD [Jehovah] will judge His people'" (NKJV).
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414982 Jan 12, 2013
The Bible Teaches That God the Holy Spirit, Proceeds From Both the Father and the Son (Spiration)

Matthew 3:11-"I [John the Baptist] indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire." Jesus Christ not only has the authority to baptize believers with the Holy Spirit but also to baptize unbelievers into hell-fire. While this passage technically does not deal with spiration, it shows that Christ has the authority of God: only God can send the Holy Spirit to His church.

John 15:26-"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

Romans 8:9-"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Here Paul equates the Spirit of God with the Spirit of Christ.

Galatians 4:6-"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."

Revelation 5:6-"And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Seven in Scripture often represents completion and perfection. The perfect Holy Spirit of God proceeds from Jesus Christ unto the whole earth.

Jesus Christ is Worshiped as God

There is probably no sin more condemned in the Bible than that of idolatry. The Bible teaches that we are to worship God alone. Why? Because only God is worthy to be worshiped. God's law says, "Thou shalt have none other gods before me.... Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them" (Dt. 5:7-9). When tempted by Satan, Christ said, "Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Lk. 4:8). When the Apostle John fell in worship before one of God's mighty angels, the angel rebuked him and told him to worship God. "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God" (Rev. 22:8-9). When Cornelius the centurion fell in worship before the Apostle Peter, Peter clearly rejected the offer of worship: "And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man" (Ac. 10:25-26).

The contrast with the Lord Jesus Christ is startling: from His birth (Mt. 2:1-2) to His ascension (Lk. 24:51-52), Christ is openly and continuously worshiped by His disciples. Did Jesus reject this worship, as Peter and the angel did? No, Jesus openly accepted and even commended such activity. What could this mean except that "That same person who is known to history as Jesus of Nazareth existed, before He became man, from all eternity as infinite, eternal and unchangeable God" ?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414983 Jan 12, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>What makes no sense to me Michael,is God the Father sending his Son to live,suffer,crucified,died,and resurrected for what? If that does not come clear as to why God would send Jesus to do this,than all religion makes no sense anyway. Common sense is not always what we think,it is only common sense, that Jesus should be recognized in some way IF in fact He lived,suffered,crucifed,died,w as buried and rose again to the Glroy of His Father in Heaven.Other wise all the common sense in the world does not mean a hill of beans in light of His being what the Scriptures say,and for this many centuries we humans through faith and living proof of our lives continue to witness of His great glory.
You will never be able to get that story of the Living God,and His dear Son out of the mind of consciousness of this world,it is here to stay,and it will not die.Thousands,literally millions have died to venerate with their lives the Lord Jesus,and His claims of being the Only begotten of the Father.
Martyrs are even as we type here.In many countries people are facing torture and death for believing in Jesus,reading His Word,and teaching their children about the Love of the Father.Their blood spilt,is either in vain or it is not? I cannot deny Him,and common sense tells me to place my hope and trust in Him who gave Himself for me.It is idiocy for me to reject Him,for what? Nothing! Opinions? Atheistic rhetoric that leads to nowhere? I have peace of mind,you claim you do,but yet you are on here every day to try and prove to me apparently I lack common sense and do not have peace of mind believing in Him who gave all for me,but someday I will be with Him and see Him as He really is. I have much to look forward to.
Jews do not believe in the trinity.

..If Mary was a Jew, and practiced her faith, how could Mary remain a Jew, if Jesus was the son of God, and Jews such as Mary do not believe in sons of God?

That would make Mary a heretic of her own faith. That would also disqualify Mary as belonging to one of the jewish tribes, again Jews do not believe in sons of God.

....makes no common sense.



makes no sense.....

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

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#414984 Jan 12, 2013
LTM, some very interesting stuff. Also, many people who think they know the bible don't even know that neither Matthew, Mark, Luke nor John did not write the books attributed to them.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#414985 Jan 12, 2013
Oh, and LTM, your posts puts into perspective my objection to any Mary devotions. ONE Mediator, bible is clear on that. I do NOT bow down to her statues.
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414986 Jan 12, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's not what the Bible says.
"Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating Godís commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4Ė5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31).
It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.
Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!
Continue reading at http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-w...
In reality, does Jesus and Mary look like the images on the statues you pray in front of? If no is your answer, why have images at all?

If someone made a statue of a man, and told you this was your father would you believe it?

Why engrain images in your mind of statues of Jesus/Mary and the saints if you know in your heart and reality (I hope) that these characters would look nothing at all of what they WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE if they ever did exist?

The church is playing with your mind, another way of them controlling you. ITs too bad you haven't got to the level yet to say, "I am in control of my being"
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414987 Jan 12, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's not what the Bible says.
"Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating Godís commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4Ė5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31).
It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.
Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!
Continue reading at http://www.catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-w...
You have an image you say is Christ, but do you know what Jesus looks like. You pray to Mary or an idol of her, we are to pray to God alone in the name of Jesus .
Catholic's have exalted her to a place that belongs to Christ alone.
Every statue I have seen a large form Maryand a helpless baby in her arms, making Jesus small.(Jesus is God; He is not an infant )
You don't know what Marty looks like nor what baby Jesus looks like, they are false images you are Praying to.(FALSE gods OR SHOULD I SAY goddess)
the Catholic church made idols graven images of that is suppose to represent Jesus and Mary and display them in their church and people pray and knee to them that is worshipping idols.
Which makes this comment an out and out lie Regina. You are calling Jesus a liar .

{but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!}

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