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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599405 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#414525 Jan 10, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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preston
I agree to a degree.
I would add that the scriptures are God-breathed, inspired. In other words it is the Holy Spirit that moves. The words, or concepts in the Bible are important, as these may be discerned by an "intelligent" person.(But it is faith and hope that are strengthened by the knowledge and understanding of the scriptures.)
And that in some ways, it is correct to seek God with one's own mind, and their own understanding, as a reference point. That is if one does not do so, then there is no growth of the natural man into the spiritual man. Or in other words, one might say pridefully that when they read the Bible, they knew everything God knows, because they are "spiritual" when they read the Bible.
Another way to put it is that the scriptures have meanings to which we can relate with the mind and soul(whether one considers the soul to be of the body or the spirit, or both), and the spirit.
But for the spiritually minded person, it is a fountain, a pure spring of life.
Literal, symbolic, and spiritual..., the Bible has it all.
Every heresy from the beginning believed they were spiritually minded. No Catholic has ever said the scripture is not God breathed or inspired. Just because Protestants twist what is said does not make it true. You know very well the Catholic church does not believe it can go against scripture. We do however believe that Holy Tradition has always been a part of the Church as it was for the Jews and furthermore is necessary for proper interpretation. Protestants scholars have to admit the reality of the sigificants of Tradition in the early Church and they do. How would anyone know which books were spurrious or to include in the bible if it had not been for the Church and those appointed in succession to guide it and Hold Fast to the traditions they had been taught? Do you know what the criteria was when they were determining what was scripture and what was not? Why were the gnostic gospels rejected? Who gave Protestants the authority to determine what books they deem apocryphal? Isn't it obvious that early on the heresies all used scripture to justify their doctrines? Every single protestant who adheres to sola scriptura claims the right to interpret scripture and thus become supreme authorities of what the bible really says.

However Jesus DID NOT instruct the Apostles to write everything down and put it in a book that would be the sole rule of faith and each individual could interpret to their own destruction. He did not say which books were scripture as none of them were even written yet. Hebrews does not say Obey the book that is over you and do not give it grief unless someone disagrees with you then go out and start another church.

Paul tells Timothy not to ordain just anyone. Does that sound like a practice many Protestant sects follow? He did not hand out bibles. Furthermore the book of revelation is not the bible it is that book and there are multitudes of what people believe on that. It was also controversial that it was scripture and Luther most definitely wanted it gone. Now here is a Protestant site that argues when and to whom that book was written.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/revelation.html
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414526 Jan 10, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
Bad track record of a supposed "one-true" Church
2000 Years.... 5% of humanity practicing Catholics!
Wow, that makes Jesus look bad -- IF the absurd RCC claim were even remotely true.
BUSTED
The catholic church has no idea how many catholics have divorced because no catholic goes back to the church they were married and and say Hey Father! GUESS WHAT!.......I'm divorced. As far as church records, and church policies, every catholic civily divorced is still married according to the marriage record books in catholic churches all across america.

preston

Waverly, OH

#414527 Jan 10, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I can depend on what God has told me.
the day of my dad funeral, my nephew said not to worry, he was only sleeping, and as I started to disagree with him(a deacon in your cult), God spoke to me and said these words."he is not a child of mine", therfore it follows, if you dont belong to God, you belong to the devil, and he surely does. to treat his mother like he does, he doesnt visit her, wishes nothing else for her but for her to be put in a nursing home. he is filth and it runs in your satanic church.
Question: "What does the Bible say about caring for our old parents?"
Answer: The Bible has much to say about caring for elderly parents and other family members who are not able to care for themselves. The early Christian church acted as the social services agency for other believers. They cared for the poor, the sick, the widows and the orphans who had no one else to care for them. Christians who had family members in need were expected to meet those needs. Unfortunately, caring for our parents in their old age is no longer an obligation that many of us are willing to accept.
The elderly can be seen as burdens rather than blessings. Sometimes we are quick to forget the sacrifices our parents made for us when they are in need of care themselves. Instead of taking them into our homes—whenever that is safe and feasible—we put them in retirement communities or nursing homes, sometimes against their will. We may not value the wisdom they have acquired through living long lives, and we can discredit their advice as “outdated.”
When we honor and care for our parents, we are serving God as well. The Bible says,“The church should care for any widow who has no one else to care for her. But if she has children or grandchildren, their first responsibility is to show godliness at home and repay their parents by taking care of them. This is something that pleases God very much....But those who won't care for their own relatives, especially those living in the same household, have denied what we believe. Such people are worse than unbelievers”(1 Timothy 5:3-4, 8).
WORSE THAN UNBELIEVERS. FITS MIKE TO A TEE.
http://www.gotquestions.org/caring-for-old-pa...
I forgot the most important words that God spoke to me about my nephew.

Because He said,{LEAVE HIM ALONE}.

and for all of these years, I have to all intent, left him alone, with the exception of when his plant went on strike, and I brought them food from our food bank(his wife had several children from her previous several marriages) and gave him money to pay his bills.

and what is funny, if he sees me in Wal mart, he turns the other way, but the other day, he ran right into me and tried to ignore me, and I just laugh with contempt,at this religion that you idiots follow.

shun me all he wants, I dont care, but to ignore his mom who cant even get into bed by herself(she has diabetes really bad) is inexcusable. any religion that tells you to shun even your own mom is not of God, but their god is the devil
preston

Waverly, OH

#414528 Jan 10, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Every heresy from the beginning believed they were spiritually minded. No Catholic has ever said the scripture is not God breathed or inspired. Just because Protestants twist what is said does not make it true. You know very well the Catholic church does not believe it can go against scripture. We do however believe that Holy Tradition has always been a part of the Church as it was for the Jews and furthermore is necessary for proper interpretation. Protestants scholars have to admit the reality of the sigificants of Tradition in the early Church and they do. How would anyone know which books were spurrious or to include in the bible if it had not been for the Church and those appointed in succession to guide it and Hold Fast to the traditions they had been taught? Do you know what the criteria was when they were determining what was scripture and what was not? Why were the gnostic gospels rejected? Who gave Protestants the authority to determine what books they deem apocryphal? Isn't it obvious that early on the heresies all used scripture to justify their doctrines? Every single protestant who adheres to sola scriptura claims the right to interpret scripture and thus become supreme authorities of what the bible really says.
However Jesus DID NOT instruct the Apostles to write everything down and put it in a book that would be the sole rule of faith and each individual could interpret to their own destruction. He did not say which books were scripture as none of them were even written yet. Hebrews does not say Obey the book that is over you and do not give it grief unless someone disagrees with you then go out and start another church.
Paul tells Timothy not to ordain just anyone. Does that sound like a practice many Protestant sects follow? He did not hand out bibles. Furthermore the book of revelation is not the bible it is that book and there are multitudes of what people believe on that. It was also controversial that it was scripture and Luther most definitely wanted it gone. Now here is a Protestant site that argues when and to whom that book was written.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/revelation.html
you wrote{Just because Protestants twist what is said does not make it true}\\I NEVER TWISTED ANYTHING.

REGGIE SAID THAT JESUS NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO WRITE SOMETHING DOWN. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MOST OF YOU CATHOLICS HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN ON THIS FORUM AND IT IS NOT TRUE.

AND I POSTED ONE VERSE INDICATING OTHERWISE.

LET GOD BE TRUE.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#414529 Jan 10, 2013
fred wrote:
<quoted text>And in order to be clean one must take his or hers ablution.before sundown then you will be clean and not filthy like the rest of the world.one must be clean in order for Yahweh to hear your words.
I BELIEVE I AREADY DONE that when I confessed and accepted Christ as my Saviour was Baptised has he commanded as an action of my faith and entered his rest and will wait in my lot til the ressurection when I will be raised incorruptable and go through the thousand year rest with Christ prior to the 2nd resurrection unto judgement.
marge

Ames, IA

#414530 Jan 10, 2013
Aviela wrote:
<quoted text> The scriptures talk about meeting together to encourage incite and love one another. It talks about elders directing the flock, etc how are we to do that if we serve God solo running our own program?
How do we know who to trust to be a elder?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414531 Jan 10, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Every heresy from the beginning believed they were spiritually minded. No Catholic has ever said the scripture is not God breathed or inspired. Just because Protestants twist what is said does not make it true. You know very well the Catholic church does not believe it can go against scripture. We do however believe that Holy Tradition has always been a part of the Church as it was for the Jews and furthermore is necessary for proper interpretation. Protestants scholars have to admit the reality of the sigificants of Tradition in the early Church and they do. How would anyone know which books were spurrious or to include in the bible if it had not been for the Church and those appointed in succession to guide it and Hold Fast to the traditions they had been taught? Do you know what the criteria was when they were determining what was scripture and what was not? Why were the gnostic gospels rejected? Who gave Protestants the authority to determine what books they deem apocryphal? Isn't it obvious that early on the heresies all used scripture to justify their doctrines? Every single protestant who adheres to sola scriptura claims the right to interpret scripture and thus become supreme authorities of what the bible really says.
However Jesus DID NOT instruct the Apostles to write everything down and put it in a book that would be the sole rule of faith and each individual could interpret to their own destruction. He did not say which books were scripture as none of them were even written yet. Hebrews does not say Obey the book that is over you and do not give it grief unless someone disagrees with you then go out and start another church.
Paul tells Timothy not to ordain just anyone. Does that sound like a practice many Protestant sects follow? He did not hand out bibles. Furthermore the book of revelation is not the bible it is that book and there are multitudes of what people believe on that. It was also controversial that it was scripture and Luther most definitely wanted it gone. Now here is a Protestant site that argues when and to whom that book was written.
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/revelation.html
Dust Storm says.......However Jesus DID NOT instruct the Apostles to write everything down and put it in a book that would be the sole rule of faith and each individual could interpret to their own destruction. He did not say which books were scripture as none of them were even written yet.

MICHAEL says.....I am glad you were there to witness what Jesus said to the apostles, otherwise it would be just heresay. Right?

Jeopardy question:

Who is the only person in history that starts a church and never once goes into it? Answer: "Who is Jesus".....correct!



MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414532 Jan 10, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Free Mind--you continue to "fish and catch NOTHING" which is exactly what Peter did before His True conversion to Jesus Christ.
You just "make things up" like most Protestants on this forum which is no surprise to any of us Catholics.The Catholic Church has NEVER claimed MORAL SUPERIORITY. They have, however, always taught, proclaimed and adhered (BIBLICALLY, TRADITIONALLY AND HISTORICALLY) for over 2000 years, to the FULLNESS of the Faith, the FULLNESS of the Truth and the OVERABUNDING COMPLETENESS of Gods Grace and the other 1.168 Billion Catholic around the world "all know it" to be the TRUTH!!
Jeopardy question:

Who is the only catholic on this forum who claims there are 42,001 different christian beliefs, yet can't name more than a few of them himself? Answer: Who is HOJO......correct!
preston

Waverly, OH

#414533 Jan 10, 2013
Ignatius died around 115 A.D. and he quoted Matthew. Therefore Matthew had to be written before he died.

and since you catholics place so much empahsis on this kook, then we can assume that the writings of the Apostles were already in place before any RCC was formed from the Actual early Christian Church.

so quit saying that jesus NEVE INSTRUCTED any Apsolte to write down His Words.

this is as childish an argument that could ever been given for whatever reason.

it has nothing to do with the FACT that they thought it was very important for all future generations to know as much as possilbe about this man called Jesus, Our Savior.

what are you catholics trying to prove by saying that he never told them to write anything down?

what profit is there for your church to insist that that is very important in Gods Plan?

are you wishing and wanting people to remain ignorant concerning what He really said? a la JW's?

would that not benefit satan much more than Jesus?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414534 Jan 10, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...
Jeopardy question: Towns in america for $1,000

Who is the only person in the entire USA who claims to live in 4 different towns in NJ at the same time? 1)lakewood NJ, 2)Paterson NJ, 3)Clarence NJ, 4) E.Rutherford NJ......Answer: Who is REGINA A......CORRECT .. Michael!!
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414535 Jan 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Jeopardy question:
Who is the only catholic on this forum who claims there are 42,001 different christian beliefs, yet can't name more than a few of them himself? Answer: Who is HOJO......correct!
LOL It started at 40,000 he keeps adding to the number.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414536 Jan 10, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>you wrote{Just because Protestants twist what is said does not make it true}\\I NEVER TWISTED ANYTHING.
REGGIE SAID THAT JESUS NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO WRITE SOMETHING DOWN. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MOST OF YOU CATHOLICS HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN ON THIS FORUM AND IT IS NOT TRUE.
AND I POSTED ONE VERSE INDICATING OTHERWISE.
LET GOD BE TRUE.
Amen
preston

Waverly, OH

#414537 Jan 10, 2013
look at these different answers from this link.
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I was talking with a catholic who told me that Jesus did not tell us to consult scripture for the truth. They also said Jesus never told anyone to write the Bible and says the Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth not the Bible.
Why does the catholics not believe the Bible is from God?
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Roman Catholics believe that only the "infallible" Pope has the power to interpret Scripture and for many centuries the Catholic would not have been allowed to have, never mind read Bible texts. Now its different and they can have a Roman Catholic acceptable version of the Bible but they are forbidden to try to interpret it? I am a Christian but I have many relatives who have converted to Roman Catholicism and they just don't read their bibles in order to discover truth from themselves.
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&#3232;__&#3232; Saying that "Catholics don't like the Word of God" is like saying "Merriam-Webster really doesn't like the dictionary".
Go peddle your ignorance, bigotry, and hypocrisy somewhere else, please.
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12 years of Catholic school, and I've never ever heard any of this. On the contray, you are taught the Bible is the Word of God and you are given heavy dosage of Scripture daily and are ecourage to read it.
In fact, I recall one of the nuns I had for a teacher would say that if you need to consult God for whatever reason, open a Bible to a random page and start reading and you will get your answer. And this works.
So whether you are sincere or you are trolling, your assumptions are not correct.
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Either you're a liar, or the person you spoke to, who calls themselves Catholic, is a liar. Or perhaps just ignorant.
The Catholic Church does not believe this, and certainly doesn't teach this.
<<Christians: why do Catholics believe Jesus doesn't tell us to consult scripture for the truth?>>
Catholicism does NOT teach Catholics to 'not' consult Scripture.
<<I was talking <snip> for the truth.>>
Okay. So some Catholic "on the street" told you something. So?
Why are you acting as if this one nameless faceless person is the pope or something?
Your anti-Catholic agenda betrays you.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
ONE THING IS COMMON THO, THEY ALL HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO SPEAK THAT JESUS NEVER TOLD ANY ONE TO WRITE ANYTHING DOWN.
THAT IS GALLING TO SAY THE LEAST, AND IS VERY SIMILIAR TO WHAT JW'S SAY.
preston

Waverly, OH

#414538 Jan 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Amen
read this link, they(catholics) have all been programmed to say the same thing and then deny it is taught by their church.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

I had to snip many responses since it went over 4000 spaces. but look at this lie.

Either he's wrong, or you've gravely misinterpreted him.
Catholics believe that scripture is a pillar and foundation of truth, but not THE Pillar and foundation.

We believe that the bible is from God, all Catholics should know that.

Plus the {Church is older than the bible anyway.}ME; BUT NOT THE RCC, WHICH SPILT FROM THE EARLY BORN AGAIN CHURCH, WHICH IS FROM THE BEGINNING

Also, if you would be so kind as to show me the verses that say that Jesus said to write the bible and the verses that promote Sola Scriptura.
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preston

Waverly, OH

#414539 Jan 10, 2013
lets examine this more closely and look at the fisrt statement and we see that it is a lie.

1. Please do give me the verse that Jesus tells us to consult Scripture. While He certainly quotes Scripture and we do as well, He never commands us to.ME; OF COURSE HE DID, FOR HE SAID, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.JOHN 5:39

2. We do believe the Bible is from God--but it is not the sole authority of faith.ME; THEN WHAT IS? IT IS LOGOS, THE WORD. JESUS HIMSELF. IS THERE A HIGHER AUTHORITY? OF COURSE NOT!

3. The Bible does state that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15)ME; BUT NOT THE RCC WHICH WAS NOT IN EXISTANCE WHEN JESUS LIVED OR DIED

4. Jesus never did tell anyone to write the Bible, He told them to preach. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, THIS STATEMENT IS COMPLETELY A LIE.

5. The Bible never says it is the sole authority, or the pillar and foundation of Truth or anything else.IT SAYS THAT GOD IS, AND JESUS IS GOD HENCE THE WORD AKA THE BIBLE.

6. The Bible doesn't tell you which books belong in the Bible, it is an extra-biblical source that says which books belong in the Bible.ME WRONG, THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE WERE WRITTEN AS THE HOLY GHOST DIRECTED AND CHOSEN BY HIM

7. I recommend you read John Salza's book "The Biblical Basis For Tradition" if you are actually interested in what the Bible says and not what YOU want the Bible to say.ME, I RECCOMEND THAT ALL READ THE BIBLE AND ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW, NOT SOME MAN NAMED SALZA OR ANY OTHER MAN

Lastly, I happen to know the Catholic you spoke to and I also know that she never told you that Catholics do not believe the Bible is from God. She was trying to prove a point in the fact that you would reject a teaching of Catholicism SOLELY based on the fact that it is not explicitly found in Scripture and so she was trying to say that nowhere did Christ tell us to consult Scripture so why are you since it's not explicitly found in Scripture.ME, A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT NOT BACKED UP BY WHAT THUS SAITH THE LORD.
preston

Waverly, OH

#414540 Jan 10, 2013
LOL, LOOKS LIKE I RAN THE CATHOLICS OFF.

sorry.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#414541 Jan 10, 2013
preston wrote:
lets examine this more closely and look at the fisrt statement and we see that it is a lie.
1. Please do give me the verse that Jesus tells us to consult Scripture. While He certainly quotes Scripture and we do as well, He never commands us to.ME; OF COURSE HE DID, FOR HE SAID, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.JOHN 5:39
2. We do believe the Bible is from God--but it is not the sole authority of faith.ME; THEN WHAT IS? IT IS LOGOS, THE WORD. JESUS HIMSELF. IS THERE A HIGHER AUTHORITY? OF COURSE NOT!
3. The Bible does state that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15)ME; BUT NOT THE RCC WHICH WAS NOT IN EXISTANCE WHEN JESUS LIVED OR DIED
4. Jesus never did tell anyone to write the Bible, He told them to preach. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, THIS STATEMENT IS COMPLETELY A LIE.
5. The Bible never says it is the sole authority, or the pillar and foundation of Truth or anything else.IT SAYS THAT GOD IS, AND JESUS IS GOD HENCE THE WORD AKA THE BIBLE.
6. The Bible doesn't tell you which books belong in the Bible, it is an extra-biblical source that says which books belong in the Bible.ME WRONG, THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE WERE WRITTEN AS THE HOLY GHOST DIRECTED AND CHOSEN BY HIM
7. I recommend you read John Salza's book "The Biblical Basis For Tradition" if you are actually interested in what the Bible says and not what YOU want the Bible to say.ME, I RECCOMEND THAT ALL READ THE BIBLE AND ASK GOD TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW, NOT SOME MAN NAMED SALZA OR ANY OTHER MAN
Lastly, I happen to know the Catholic you spoke to and I also know that she never told you that Catholics do not believe the Bible is from God. She was trying to prove a point in the fact that you would reject a teaching of Catholicism SOLELY based on the fact that it is not explicitly found in Scripture and so she was trying to say that nowhere did Christ tell us to consult Scripture so why are you since it's not explicitly found in Scripture.ME, A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT NOT BACKED UP BY WHAT THUS SAITH THE LORD.
That's a stupid website. Preston, if you want to know what the Catholic Church teaches, why don't you ask the Catholic Church?
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#414542 Jan 10, 2013
preston wrote:
LOL, LOOKS LIKE I RAN THE CATHOLICS OFF.
sorry.
Keep dreaming, but you never have much of anything of value to say and nobody wants to engage in endless nonsense with you. BTW which Apostles had a full time job and preached on Wednesday. lol

You said"
"why must people try and belitle His Word by saying that Jesus never told anyone to write His word is in error. if people didnt write them down, we would not know how to be Saved and Followers of God."

So was Regina and other Catholics belittling his Word? Or is that what you said is being done? I am going with you. You twist it as I said into your own perception not what is being said. Now I could call you a liar which would be the norm for someone like you, but I won't as I prefer to not read your posts of little value let alone address you.

Gee Preston how did anyone know how to be Saved until you Protestants came along? Its a rhetorical question moron. What do you suppose the Apostles were doing when the books werent written yet? Christ said go and preach.

The point is he didn't leave a book to run his church and no he did not say to write everything down and put it into a book that would be the sole rule of faith nor did he say which ones were scripture. As I said Revelation is not the bible. He didnt pass out KJV bibles and preachers popped up everywhere. Those KJV with the ones with commentary on the deuterocanons are gems. lol Never mind All the minute details have gone over endless times on this thread. You arent changing any minds. If you wish to deny history, reality and the Word because you have the real deal then get in line with the rest of the Protestants.

We arent saying God did not deliver his word in scripture, but the scripture doesnt say it is the sole rule of faith and each person individually decides what it means. All scripture is profitable. Profitable does not mean all sufficent especially in the wrong hands. Yes Preston you always tell us you know more than everyone else and the church is the whore and God doesnt hear Catholic prayers and Catholics are all ignorant and stupid of what scripture says. Thats ok I will let God decide that. There is no discussions in here, but thanks for proving to Catholics you dont have the truth. Good JOB!
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#414543 Jan 10, 2013
preston wrote:
Ignatius died around 115 A.D. and he quoted Matthew. Therefore Matthew had to be written before he died.
and since you catholics place so much empahsis on this kook, then we can assume that the writings of the Apostles were already in place before any RCC was formed from the Actual early Christian Church.
so quit saying that jesus NEVE INSTRUCTED any Apsolte to write down His Words.
this is as childish an argument that could ever been given for whatever reason.
it has nothing to do with the FACT that they thought it was very important for all future generations to know as much as possilbe about this man called Jesus, Our Savior.
what are you catholics trying to prove by saying that he never told them to write anything down?
what profit is there for your church to insist that that is very important in Gods Plan?
are you wishing and wanting people to remain ignorant concerning what He really said? a la JW's?
would that not benefit satan much more than Jesus?
There's a big difference between following the JWs founded a hundred years ago vs. agreeing with St. Ignatius who was taught by St. John. You like to call him names, but you do so out of jealousy.

1. No where does the Bible say that all or even most of the oral tradition was committed to Scripture, so your premise is erroneous. The major dogmas of Christianity, such as the Trinity, is not explicitly stated in Scripture, for example. Same for the two wills and natures of Christ, the hypostatic union, the canon of Scripture, etc. That God commands us to obey both the oral and written tradition through St. Paul also demonstrates that sola Scriptura is invalid.

2. There is no difference between "did" and "taught" because what the Savior "did" and "taught" were for our salvation. That means they are both part of divine revelation, but not all of these things were recorded in Scripture. Scripture accounts for only about 100 days of Jesus' earthly ministry. Moreover, Jesus never commanded any of the apostles to write anything down during His ministry, and only five of them chose to write at the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. Jesus commanded all of them to hand on the gospel orally, which is Sacred Tradition.

3. If no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of private interpretation, then that means Scripture itself is not a matter of private interpretation because Scripture is divinely inspired and hence must be interpreted by a divine authority. The countless divisions among Protestantism prove the point. Neither Christ nor any of the apostles ever intended for Scripture to be our only authority. In fact, sola Scriptura was a concept unheard of until 1500 years after Christ's ascension into heaven.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#414544 Jan 10, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Keep dreaming, but you never have much of anything of value to say and nobody wants to engage in endless nonsense with you. BTW which Apostles had a full time job and preached on Wednesday. lol
You said"
"why must people try and belitle His Word by saying that Jesus never told anyone to write His word is in error. if people didnt write them down, we would not know how to be Saved and Followers of God."
So was Regina and other Catholics belittling his Word? Or is that what you said is being done? I am going with you. You twist it as I said into your own perception not what is being said. Now I could call you a liar which would be the norm for someone like you, but I won't as I prefer to not read your posts of little value let alone address you.
Gee Preston how did anyone know how to be Saved until you Protestants came along? Its a rhetorical question moron. What do you suppose the Apostles were doing when the books werent written yet? Christ said go and preach.
The point is he didn't leave a book to run his church and no he did not say to write everything down and put it into a book that would be the sole rule of faith nor did he say which ones were scripture. As I said Revelation is not the bible. He didnt pass out KJV bibles and preachers popped up everywhere. Those KJV with the ones with commentary on the deuterocanons are gems. lol Never mind All the minute details have gone over endless times on this thread. You arent changing any minds. If you wish to deny history, reality and the Word because you have the real deal then get in line with the rest of the Protestants.
We arent saying God did not deliver his word in scripture, but the scripture doesnt say it is the sole rule of faith and each person individually decides what it means. All scripture is profitable. Profitable does not mean all sufficent especially in the wrong hands. Yes Preston you always tell us you know more than everyone else and the church is the whore and God doesnt hear Catholic prayers and Catholics are all ignorant and stupid of what scripture says. Thats ok I will let God decide that. There is no discussions in here, but thanks for proving to Catholics you dont have the truth. Good JOB!
" If you wish to deny history, reality and the Word because you have the real deal then get in line with the rest of the Protestants. "

LOL!

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