Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414440 Jan 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
No one claims that people in the Church are perfect, but the Church cannot teach error. They don't claim it-Christ established the Church to teach, thus it cannot teach error.
Please cite the membership totals YOU think correct, them "lying" about their deeds(?) and cite any context for your diplomatic immunity fixation.
Hurry up, before NASL calls me a blasphemer and a liar again.
Dan, I can see you are replying with good intentions. But like so many, you confuse faith with fact. You have no proof or solid evidence -- which is why it's called faith.

Never has anyone here claimed that people in the RCC should be perfect. That statement is called "deflection."

The ONLY entity that claims any sort of "perfection" is the RCC.

Back to your original analogy....

1... If Ford claimed to make perfect cars, don't you think we should judge them by a higher standard than any other car company?

2... If Ford claimed to make perfect cars, but their cars broke down at the same rate as other car companies, wouldn't you be skeptical of their claim?

If Ford claimed to make perfect cars and offered as "proof" a statement from their own Corporate Mission Statement, would you accept that as proof?

Of course not.

The same holds true for the RCC.

Shouldn't we hold the RCC to a higher standard?

After 1600 years, shouldn't there be some real evidence that the RCC is morally special and unique in many ways?

After 1600 years, shouldn't it be so evident that by now, the Church would be embraced by a majority of mankind?

If Jesus died on the Cross to save mankind, after 1600 years, do you really think that only %5-10% of humanity is all Jesus had in mind?

With "perfect teachings" on morals, shouldn't Catholic-majority societies have much lower crime rates, and better systems of justice? Look at the Americas. What do you see?

In the past 500 years, has the RCC been a leader or a follower with respect to human rights such as equal justice and trial before peers?

Is the Bill of Rights somehow immoral? If not, why would the RCC have been against for so long?

Please tell us -- where's the beef?
truth

Perth, Australia

#414441 Jan 10, 2013
rich people not died..cemetry not exist for them..why is l;ike that?

Rich car never see any mechanic..did they are better then others and how much..no no no mechanic diploma not exist,..why is like that?

o well cheap as chips labour..as well robotic organization..but not for so long no..
byyyyyyyyyyyyy
Did people who past away need car?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414442 Jan 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
If you ever question the catholic church or Jesus and you are not shelling out to the collection plate, you are a social catholic to them even if you were formerly baptized. That is 2 notches down from an acceptable catholic.
That is why they can call you LIAR!....sorry! thats how it works (lol)
ANTHONY would never call REGINA, CLAY, HOJO, GENED, PRESTON, CATHOLIC MOM... LIARS, and they would never call each other LIARS , even if they were. That is how it works.
Its like the secret society, the FREE MASONS...except there is no secret handshake........but I could be wrong.(lol)
In a nutshell - the honesty they say they have is shielded by religion.

IMO - if they were, in the slightest bit honest with themselves or others - they would not be part of Christianity.

I wonder why they refuse their Self.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414443 Jan 10, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not. I'm sure you are a reasonable, intelligent person.
But when it comes to your faith -- you like other will spin, deny, and deflect -- all in ways you would never do when dealing with real world matters.
The problem is that there is no evidence, no visible, real-world manifestation of the benefits of the RCC's supposed spiritual superiority.
Do Catholic-majority countries have less crime. Better systems of justice maybe?
Was it the "teacher of perfect morals" that first spoke up against slavery?
Did the Bill of Rights,-- with trial by jury of peers, the right to speedy justice, etc.-- come from that "perfect teacher of morals?
Is it possible that any "perfect teacher" was actually against so many rights that we both view as "moral" today?
In short, where's the beef?
"Where's the beef"
A: Self

It really isn't that hard to understand.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414444 Jan 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
How could an offending priest/bishop hear my confession, and give me advice, if they aren't doing it themselves.
Truth, and honesty is the best policy. Its obvious church offenders didn't live by those virtues..........but they tell you to!
This is the crux of this forum.

Brilliant.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414445 Jan 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
We must not participate in any practice in God's service unless we find it taught in the gospel. If God's word says to do a thing, we must do it just as He says and not change it.
What does that say, go back and read the whole post.
Uhm - sure.

Is this why you believe men over Jesus?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414446 Jan 10, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Western civilization and the freedom of mankind, yours included, can be demonstrably credited to the Catholic Church. A thank you would be nice.
*watches Anthony pat himself on the back*

Citation please - namely for your statement concerning the CC that you proclaim to be fact.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414447 Jan 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
According to CARA and the PEW research centre, about 25% of roman catholics attend mandatory sunday mass weekly. 40 years ago those numbers were reversed.
Imagine if only 25% of workers at the FORD MOTOR COMPANY came to work when required?
No wonder they are making bad cars!
If the RCC's own polls are correct, then there are are fewer than 300 million practicing Catholics, not 1.13 billion.

Assuming a world population of 7 billion, then the question is:

How effective has Jesus' one-true church been in saving souls?

So far, dying on the cross and appointing the RCC as the "only true church," Jesus' supposed set-up has claimed less than 5% of the world's population.

Conclusion.......

Either the RCC's claim is absurd, or...

Jesus' ultimate sacrifice and church appointment was a bungled job, with a 95% failure rate.

I don't believe any self-respecting God would go through what Jesus did and be satisfied with a 5% success rate.

According to all reason and logic, and according to everything history teaches, I conclude that the RCC's claim is absurd.

Unless someone is born into the RCC, history and reality tell us there's almost no chance of being saved today -- because over 85% of RCC Catholics are born into the faith. Relatively speaking, very few humans born outside the Church somehow "find it" and convert.

I don't believe God is so arbitrary and callous, as to be so concerned about where and into what faith someone is born.

The RCC's claim is absurd on many levels.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414448 Jan 10, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
Simple...
Ford Motor Co does not claim to be appointed or uniquely guided by God.
Ford does not claim to make "perfect" cars.
But if Ford did claim all those things, don't you think we should judge them by a higher standard?
If Ford claimed their cars were superior because of God's -- yet over many years, their cars proved no more reliable than any other car -- would you believe them?
BOTTOM LINE -- if a company or a church makes such a claim, then it shouldn't it be evident in some manner?
Otherwise, what's the point?
The RCC is a church. They claim to be a morally superior to all other churches, due to divine guidance.
But after 1600 years, NOTHING. They fudge their worldwide membership numbers. They lie about their deeds. They are secretive and promote censorship.
They claim diplomatic immunity to avoid inspection and accountability.
No "one-true" church would have so much to hide.
...but they will try to spin you away from all these facts, huh?
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414449 Jan 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the crux of this forum.
Brilliant.
Exactly.

No honest, "one true" Church would ever think of using diplomatic immunity to avoid the truth being revealed.

Interesting too, this state power of immunity was bestowed upon God's supposed "only church" by Bonito Mussolini.

Therefore, Catholics are saying that Jesus used Mussolini in ways that make no sense - for any righteous and just God.

And so it goes.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414450 Jan 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
...but they will try to spin you away from all these facts, huh?
Of course, because they have made claims which are not supportable in the real world.

In fact, the exact opposite is true.
truth

Perth, Australia

#414451 Jan 10, 2013
god is not bird
did mussulini have two wings on head

o well
byyyyyyyyyy
why poor people exist
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414452 Jan 10, 2013
Many people in many church commit sins.

However, all the Priestly sinners in the RCC put together could NOT pull off a decades-long, worldwide cover-up of child abuse.

Something like that takes the organizational skills and power of the church itself.

If this were not true, then the church would not use HOLY DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY to keep from turning over relevant documents.

This is all obvious to all but those with blind faith.

It's become so absurd that the RCC is a comedy club staple.

In fact, the RCC was a comedy club joke even before it admitted a "problem."

So according to Catholics, the entire world somehow knew before the RCC itself?

Yet another absurdity.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#414453 Jan 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
*watches Anthony pat himself on the back*
Citation please - namely for your statement concerning the CC that you proclaim to be fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Cath...

You should but this book;

http://www.tomwoods.com/books/how-the-catholi...
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414454 Jan 10, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
If the RCC's own polls are correct, then there are are fewer than 300 million practicing Catholics, not 1.13 billion.
Assuming a world population of 7 billion, then the question is:
How effective has Jesus' one-true church been in saving souls?
So far, dying on the cross and appointing the RCC as the "only true church," Jesus' supposed set-up has claimed less than 5% of the world's population.
Conclusion.......
Either the RCC's claim is absurd, or...
Jesus' ultimate sacrifice and church appointment was a bungled job, with a 95% failure rate.
I don't believe any self-respecting God would go through what Jesus did and be satisfied with a 5% success rate.
According to all reason and logic, and according to everything history teaches, I conclude that the RCC's claim is absurd.
Unless someone is born into the RCC, history and reality tell us there's almost no chance of being saved today -- because over 85% of RCC Catholics are born into the faith. Relatively speaking, very few humans born outside the Church somehow "find it" and convert.
I don't believe God is so arbitrary and callous, as to be so concerned about where and into what faith someone is born.
The RCC's claim is absurd on many levels.
..What were the purposes of the stories for Jesus performing miracles for thousands, yet at the same time he was known as a rebel and a jewish heretic and his crucifixion was the real evidence of his lack of popularity during his earthly life. Remember he had 33 years to convince people he was the son of God. An earthly failure by him.

A man who was more well known after he died, than when he was alive, though we can say that about many known people throughout history.

Christianities early success was because christianity showed up at the right place at the right time, a few spirititual Jesus boosters such as Paul got the ball rolling, not Jesus.

This new found christianity plagureized many of the customs/traditions of the pagan beliefs that were around for centuries before. Eternal salvation, concepts of heaven/hell, sacrificial meal, baptism just to name a few.

New followers were easy to find as the old customs/traditions they were use to suited them just fine.

After Official christianity formed, the NEW FOUND WAY to keep the flame glowing was family INDOCTRINATION. Without it christianity would have faded into the sunset much like most belief systems that came before.

Today christianity is a hodge-podge of thousands of individual ideas, all using the same holy book to prove their conflicting doctrines.



All the NT bible writers were Jews, as official christianity didn't start for nearly 300 years.
fred

Piedmont, OK

#414455 Jan 10, 2013
Christians believe in ten commandments.but very few keep them.their is 613 commandments ....that some dumb ass nailed to the cross not we live in a giant sinful shit hole.Christians believe they keep the sabbath as well as catholicks but they do not.I can not believe how many brainwashed sheeple are in this world hey!!! it's one thing to be brainwashed from children but did you not grow up and learn to read and learn to study well many have but still lack understanding why???????because no one reverences the creator.Yahweh only a man made god....
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#414456 Jan 10, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>

They claim to be a morally superior to all other churches, due to divine guidance.
No "one-true" church would have so much to hide.
Please tell us where the Catholic Church claims to be "morally superior" to all other churches???..We would like to know your sources ..The one thing we as Catholics know for sure, that it teaches the Fullness of the Faith and the Fullness in the doctrine of MORAL TRUTH that many Protestant Churches have rejected, in favor of "political correctness, secular humanism and Relative Truth" (whatever each person or denomination "decides"--is true for them, now is the truth (regardless of the true interpretation of the bible by the Early Church Fathers in 397 AD---All a person has to do (today) is look at the many Protestant Churches who now support, abortion, gay marriage, euthenasia, embroyonic stem cell reseach, homosexual ministers and (God knows what's next) depending on which direction the "political wind" happens to blow!!!
fred

Piedmont, OK

#414457 Jan 10, 2013
Prophecies show that a large number of people will actually repent of god worship. They will turn from being like the gods.
They will repent and start practicing being like YAHWEH.. who is not a god The only thing that makes the creator a god is mortal man.....Are you sheeple scared to do the right thing. afraid to admit you have been deceived.Into god worship....I have told you the truth but yet you choose to look over it....

I am here to say the truth will change your life the laws will change your life keeping the sabbath will change your life keeping the feast days will change your life not for the worst but for the better reverence Yahweh And he will give understanding.This man made god will give you nothing but deception.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414458 Jan 10, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
..What were the purposes of the stories for Jesus performing miracles for thousands, yet at the same time he was known as a rebel and a jewish heretic and his crucifixion was the real evidence of his lack of popularity during his earthly life. Remember he had 33 years to convince people he was the son of God. An earthly failure by him.
A man who was more well known after he died, than when he was alive, though we can say that about many known people throughout history.
Christianities early success was because christianity showed up at the right place at the right time, a few spirititual Jesus boosters such as Paul got the ball rolling, not Jesus.
This new found christianity plagureized many of the customs/traditions of the pagan beliefs that were around for centuries before. Eternal salvation, concepts of heaven/hell, sacrificial meal, baptism just to name a few.
New followers were easy to find as the old customs/traditions they were use to suited them just fine.
After Official christianity formed, the NEW FOUND WAY to keep the flame glowing was family INDOCTRINATION. Without it christianity would have faded into the sunset much like most belief systems that came before.
Today christianity is a hodge-podge of thousands of individual ideas, all using the same holy book to prove their conflicting doctrines.
All the NT bible writers were Jews, as official christianity didn't start for nearly 300 years.
Michael, we must not blame Jesus.

We must look at the un-provable, absurd-in-the-real-world claims made by the RCC.

2000 Years.... 5% of humanity? That's it?

The RCC talks the talk, but fails on the walk part. Wow, does that makes Jesus look bad.

No way 5% was Jesus' best shot. The RCC has failed and you above all know why.

The RCC is in a well documented, long-term downward spiral.

In His infinite wisdom, Jesus has sent you here to redeem His name.

Reject it or accept it Michael, Jesus loves you :o)

Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414459 Jan 10, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell us where the Catholic Church claims to be "morally superior" to all other churches???..We would like to know your sources ..The one thing we as Catholics know for sure, that it teaches the Fullness of the Faith and the Fullness in the doctrine of MORAL TRUTH that many Protestant Churches have rejected, in favor of "political correctness, secular humanism and Relative Truth" (whatever each person or denomination "decides"--is true for them, now is the truth (regardless of the true interpretation of the bible by the Early Church Fathers in 397 AD---All a person has to do (today) is look at the many Protestant Churches who now support, abortion, gay marriage, euthenasia, embroyonic stem cell reseach, homosexual ministers and (God knows what's next) depending on which direction the "political wind" happens to blow!!!
Hojo asks... "Please tell us where the Catholic Church claims to be "morally superior" to all other churches???..We would like to know your sources."

Ah... the title and article for this board.

"These ecclesial communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called 'churches' in the proper sense," it said."

Get serious hojo. How is that not a claim of spiritual superiority?

... perfect teachings,

... infallible Popes,

... uniquely guided by God,

... God's Only True Church, others technically not even churches.

Yes hojo ---- your RCC claims MORAL SUPERIORITY.

I and 95%(includes non-practicing Catholics) of humanity claim this is wroing, even absurd.

So why on earth would the RCC need diplomatic immunity if just one of those amazing claims were true?

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