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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 599956 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#414358 Jan 9, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
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If its so tiresome, then go to a Catholic forum instead of Topix.
You need complete agreement, because the "perfect" and "only" faith thing is completely full of holes. History says it's absurd.
And it's not just ex-Catholics who make the RCC a comedy club staple.
It's not ex-Catholics who caused the RCC in Germany to loose 30% of attendance since Benedict became Pope.
It's not ex-Catholics who made Ireland break diplomatic relations with the RCC.
You point fingers at all others, but have you looked in the mirror?
Holy Diplomatic Immunity!!!
I wonder why these Catholics refuse to acknowledge these blatant truths?

Do you think they are fearful?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414359 Jan 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Not all of it.
Some comes from the laundered money in the Vatican Bank!
:o)
BTW - of course Dan is "paying for other's sins".
Dan is the new RCC Savior. With all the BS he puts forth, he should haven't a problem getting his fellow Catholics to believe him.
To Dan - blasphemer and liar.
Not to worry! A couple more hard weeks on here and Dan will be worn down and become one of us, and be on the outside looking in, to see what he has been missing.(LOL)



Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#414360 Jan 9, 2013
LTM wrote:
Principles of Bible Authority
We must have Bible authority for everything we do in serving God.
The Bible principle
We must not participate in any practice in God's service unless we find it taught in the gospel. If God's word says to do a thing, we must do it just as He says and not change it.
Matthew 15:9 - Our worship to God is vain if it is based on human doctrines.
Galatians 1:8,9 - If we follow man-made doctrines that differ from the gospel, we are accursed.
2 John 9 - If we do not abide in the teaching of Jesus, we do not have God. To have God, we must abide in Jesus' teaching.
The Bible is a complete and perfect guide to everything God wants us to do (2 Tim. 3:16,17; John 16:13; 2 Peter 1:3). We do not need to have a passage specifically forbidding us to do certain acts in order to know they are wrong. When God tells us what to practice, then it would be wrong to do something different, even if He nowhere expressly said not to do the other thing. If He says to do one thing, and we do something else, then we are following human doctrines and a different gospel, so our worship is vain and we have not God.
cont
LTM

God is the Authority.
The Bible is the standard.

When you interpret the Bible according to some "Principle". One must define the "Principle". In your case it would be best to say that you understand the Bible in a historically real sense, a morally responsible sense, and as a God-breathed(inspired) spiritual sense....

Secondly, when you make a list of Bible principles, it is "YOU", or someone you follow, that has made the list of principles. This necessarily invalidates the Bible Authority. One could randomly pick out some scriptures and apply them in any way, and say, "The Bible's Authority declares it so, when in fact it is the person making the list who is the "Authority".

Here is the problem. If the Bible is the Authority, then you can't fly on a jet, drive a car, watch tv, or use a computer. Why? Because your Authority said nothing, and you cannot assume anything.
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414361 Jan 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all of it.
Some comes from the laundered money in the Vatican Bank!
:o)
BTW - of course Dan is "paying for other's sins".
Dan is the new RCC Savior. With all the BS he puts forth, he should haven't a problem getting his fellow Catholics to believe him.
To Dan - blasphemer and liar.
As long as we all ignore Jesus' last act as a free man on earth -- or just say it had no meaning -- then the idea of a church-own bank might make sense.

Of course, we must also ignore who made the church bank possible.

We must also ignore the bank scandals -- one of the worse records of integrity of any bank in the EU.

Holy Church Bank!

Taken as a whole, sooner or later -- it becomes completely absurd, laughable in fact.

Wait!!!

Maybe Jesus owns a few comedy clubs and wanted them to have good material.

Holy Diplomatic Immunity! That's it!!!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414362 Jan 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all of it.
Some comes from the laundered money in the Vatican Bank!
:o)
BTW - of course Dan is "paying for other's sins".
Dan is the new RCC Savior. With all the BS he puts forth, he should haven't a problem getting his fellow Catholics to believe him.
To Dan - blasphemer and liar.
NASL says....Some comes from the laundered money in the Vatican Bank!

Michael says......No one knows where the money goes.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-...

What does Dan think about this?

Next I will report on the NUNS SCANDAL.

Without scandals one after another, I would be bored.

Thankyou Catholic church!
Free MInd

Melbourne, FL

#414363 Jan 9, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
LTM
God is the Authority.
The Bible is the standard.
When you interpret the Bible according to some "Principle". One must define the "Principle". In your case it would be best to say that you understand the Bible in a historically real sense, a morally responsible sense, and as a God-breathed(inspired) spiritual sense....
Secondly, when you make a list of Bible principles, it is "YOU", or someone you follow, that has made the list of principles. This necessarily invalidates the Bible Authority. One could randomly pick out some scriptures and apply them in any way, and say, "The Bible's Authority declares it so, when in fact it is the person making the list who is the "Authority".
Here is the problem. If the Bible is the Authority, then you can't fly on a jet, drive a car, watch tv, or use a computer. Why? Because your Authority said nothing, and you cannot assume anything.
So where do we find the results this RCC moral superiority?

Why did the perfect teacher on morals wait until the 19th century to formerly condemn slavery?

We hear all the talk, but where do we see the RCC's supposed superior relations with God actually manifested in the real world?

Holy Diplomatic Immunity!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414364 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave you the Form of Confession.
That's what happens. Nothing about having to make full restitution immediately or turn oneself into law-enforcement. I'm not saying that these individual situations cannot occur, but it's not the Form fo Confession.
It's a confessional, not an interrogation room.
Confessing your sin is being responsible. That's why Catholics have to do it. They don't simply state "that's between me and God.".
Dan says.......That's what happens. Nothing about having to make full restitution immediately or turn oneself into law-enforcement.

Michael says.....I would believe the right thing to do would to be upfront with your crime.
.... If you stole a bicycle you return it. If you hit your spouse you apologize. If you sexually molested someone how can you be forgiven in the confessional if you have no intention to apologize to the victim, who is suffering, and notify police of your crime?

How could an offending priest/bishop hear my confession, and give me advice, if they aren't doing it themselves.

Truth, and honesty is the best policy. Its obvious church offenders didn't live by those virtues..........but they tell you to!





MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#414366 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony-
Michael says he's "sure" of this, "sure" of that, even after I gave him the Form of Confession twice, neither instance making absolution conditional.
As I stated earlier, he claims his own facts for "sure".
First, I don't believe many catholic clergy tell other priests their confessions or sins as most are personal friends of each other. Its probably the sign of the cross and you are absolved with a few prayers for repentance. I will find a former priest to confirm this.

Confession is held in closed quarters so the priest isn't suppose to know who's confession he is hearing.

I can't imagine a priest, golfing buddy of the priest hearing his confession telling him he masterbated 10 times, had impure thoughts 8 times, and lusted after the lady working in the supermarket down the street.

I just don't believe such confessions are told with full knowldege to personal friends being other priests.

my opinion.....

hojo

Chanhassen, MN

#414367 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a list of Lutheran sects. Maybe more than 42, but who's counting?
Lutheranism
Main article: List of Lutheran denominations
Apostolic Lutheran Church of America
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Lutheran Confession
Concordia Lutheran Conference
Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference Evangelical Lutheran Church "Concord" (Russia)
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church (Germany)
Evangelical Lutheran Synod (United States)
Lutheran Church of Central Africa Malawi Conference
Lutheran Church of Central Africa Zambia Conference
Ukrainian Lutheran Church
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (United States)
Evangelical Catholic Church
Kosovo Protestant Evangelical Church
Evangelical Community Church-Lutheran
Evangelical Lutheran Diocese of North America
International Lutheran Council American Association of Lutheran Churches
Evangelical Lutheran Church - Synod of France and Belgium
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Brazil
Evangelical Lutheran Church of England
Gutnius Lutheran Church
Independent Evangelical-Lutheran Church
Japan Lutheran Church
Lanka Lutheran Church
Lutheran Church—Canada
Lutheran Church—Hong Kong Synod
Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (United States)
Lutheran Church of Australia (associate member)
Laestadian Lutheran Church
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Lutheran Church of China (no longer in existence)
Lutheran Church-International
Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ (United States)
Lutheran Evangelical Protestant Church (United States)
Lutheran Ministerium and Synod - USA
Lutheran World Federation Andhra Evangelical Lutheran Church
Arcot Lutheran Church
Batak Christian Protestant Church
Church of Denmark
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Church of Iceland
Church of Norway
Church of Sweden
Church of the Faroe Islands
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Madhya Pradesh
Evangelical Lutheran Church in the Himalayan States
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church of Norway (associate member)
Gossner Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chotanagpur and Assam
Indian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Jeypore Evangelical Lutheran Church
Lutheran Church of Australia (associate member)
Malagasy Lutheran Church
Northern Evangelical Lutheran Church
Simalungun Protestant Christian Church
South Andhra Lutheran Church
Tamil Evangelical Lutheran Church
Thanks Dan! "Denial of Truth" are the three words have (conveniently) "escaped" the Protestant vocabulary of their 42,000+ contradicting (hodge-podge) of inconsistent denominations!!
fred

Piedmont, OK

#414368 Jan 9, 2013
My heavenly father is not a god....And you will cause them to forget my name....

His name Is Yahweh man changed his name and made him A god.......he is not a god never was never will be but for mortal man....who really knows who you are worshiping by your god worship it could be any and every god but you are not worshiping the creator.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414369 Jan 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you would rather have "Paul", "John", and "Matthew" authorities than "God".
Why don't you believe Jesus?
We must not participate in any practice in God's service unless we find it taught in the gospel. If God's word says to do a thing, we must do it just as He says and not change it.

What does that say, go back and read the whole post.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#414370 Jan 9, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that these cases are everywhere but the difference is you Regina continue to financially support the catholic church correct?
And do you think your money has in the past or continues to pay for lawsuits?
She must get a blessing outof it since she continues to do it. However the blessing she gets is from satan not Christ.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414371 Jan 9, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
LTM
God is the Authority.
The Bible is the standard.
When you interpret the Bible according to some "Principle". One must define the "Principle". In your case it would be best to say that you understand the Bible in a historically real sense, a morally responsible sense, and as a God-breathed(inspired) spiritual sense....
Secondly, when you make a list of Bible principles, it is "YOU", or someone you follow, that has made the list of principles. This necessarily invalidates the Bible Authority. One could randomly pick out some scriptures and apply them in any way, and say, "The Bible's Authority declares it so, when in fact it is the person making the list who is the "Authority".
Here is the problem. If the Bible is the Authority, then you can't fly on a jet, drive a car, watch tv, or use a computer. Why? Because your Authority said nothing, and you cannot assume anything.
I don't interpret the Bible, I read the word and what it says.
I have learned over the years to read word for word, if I don't understand it the first time, I re read it.
Also we have got to remember when we read the Bible, we are talking about a different time, and a different culture.
That is a bad example Rob, because like reading the Bible these things can be learned.
I don't watch the garbage that is on T.V. and I love my computer.
I have studied the Bible for many years. and I am still learning many things about it.
Do you know something Rob I can sit down and read any book and can't remember the paper I just read, but for some reason the Bible I do.
It can the living word Rob, God Gave it to the world, Catholic's got it all wrong.
The Bible clearly says
'FOR GOD SO LOVES THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." IT DOESN'T SAY GOD SO LOVE THE CATHOLIC'S HE DIE FOR JUST THEM.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ROB IS I BELEIVE JESUS ALONE SAVES, NOT MY DENOMINATION, OR A POPE, OR MARY, OR ANYONE, OR ANY THING ELSE.
BEFORE I EVEN PICKED UP A BIBLE TO READ I WAS PRAYING TO GOD, I WAS 3 WHEN I FIRST SANG A SONG THAT WAS TAUGHT TO ME IN A ORPHANAGE BY A MAN IN A WHEEL CHAIR WHO CAME EVERY SUNDAY."\IT GOES LIKE THIS .

"DO YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE BORN AGAIN'
DOES THE SPIRIT DWELL WITH IN AND CONVICT YOU OF YOUR SIN.
ARE YOU READY IF THE LORD SHOULD COME,
DO YOU KNOW WITH OUT A DOUBT ,
THAT YOUR SIN WHERE BOUGHT WITH BLOOD,
DO YOU KNOW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT
KNOW IF YOU BEEN BORN AGAIN.
I BELONG TO JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE TEACHER OF ALL TRUTHS.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#414373 Jan 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
By supporting the leader of your SDA cult you are equally guilty of all the sins he/she commits.
Happy Festivus!
Why do you think everu gentile that keeps the Sabbath is a member of the SDA or J.W.? Not so they are keeping it because it is the Lords Day of rest and a commandment made for man from the first week of creation and a sign as to which God they acknowledge and are serving.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#414374 Jan 9, 2013
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
LTM
God is the Authority.
The Bible is the standard.
When you interpret the Bible according to some "Principle". One must define the "Principle". In your case it would be best to say that you understand the Bible in a historically real sense, a morally responsible sense, and as a God-breathed(inspired) spiritual sense....
Secondly, when you make a list of Bible principles, it is "YOU", or someone you follow, that has made the list of principles. This necessarily invalidates the Bible Authority. One could randomly pick out some scriptures and apply them in any way, and say, "The Bible's Authority declares it so, when in fact it is the person making the list who is the "Authority".
Here is the problem. If the Bible is the Authority, then you can't fly on a jet, drive a car, watch tv, or use a computer. Why? Because your Authority said nothing, and you cannot assume anything.
Your post is really puzzeling Rob, by whose authority do you, tell me I can't possibley read and understand the Bible.
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me.
What do you think that means Rob, do you not believe that God is able to teach His church (WHICH ARE PEOPLE) THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT, WHY DO YOU PUT DOUBT IN PEOPLE, WHY DO YOU DENY THE POWER OF ALMIGHTY GOD.
REV 3 READ IT ROB, GOD OPENS DOORS NO MAN CAN CLOSE, AND SHUTS THE DOORS NO MAN CAN OPEN.
FARTHER MORE I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO BLOCK THE CATHOLIC PEOPLES WAY TO GODS THRONE ROOM PAST THE VEIL THAT WAS TORE IN TWO FROM TOP TO BOTTOM WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, IT MEANS THE EARTHLY PRIEST HOOD IS DONE WITH.
WE HAVE A HOLY HIGH PRIEST HIS NAME IS JESUS, AND ALL WHO HAVE BEEN WASH IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB BELONGS TO THAT ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#414375 Jan 9, 2013
Free MInd wrote:
<quoted text>
So where do we find the results this RCC moral superiority?
Why did the perfect teacher on morals wait until the 19th century to formerly condemn slavery?
We hear all the talk, but where do we see the RCC's supposed superior relations with God actually manifested in the real world?
Holy Diplomatic Immunity!
Western civilization and the freedom of mankind, yours included, can be demonstrably credited to the Catholic Church. A thank you would be nice.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#414376 Jan 9, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think everu gentile that keeps the Sabbath is a member of the SDA or J.W.? Not so they are keeping it because it is the Lords Day of rest and a commandment made for man from the first week of creation and a sign as to which God they acknowledge and are serving.
You can keep the Sabbath on Saturday if you want, nobody's giving you any grief over it.

However, are you ok with Christians designating Sunday as our day of worship?
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#414377 Jan 9, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is really puzzeling Rob, by whose authority do you, tell me I can't possibley read and understand the Bible.
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me.
What do you think that means Rob, do you not believe that God is able to teach His church (WHICH ARE PEOPLE) THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT, WHY DO YOU PUT DOUBT IN PEOPLE, WHY DO YOU DENY THE POWER OF ALMIGHTY GOD.
REV 3 READ IT ROB, GOD OPENS DOORS NO MAN CAN CLOSE, AND SHUTS THE DOORS NO MAN CAN OPEN.
FARTHER MORE I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO BLOCK THE CATHOLIC PEOPLES WAY TO GODS THRONE ROOM PAST THE VEIL THAT WAS TORE IN TWO FROM TOP TO BOTTOM WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, IT MEANS THE EARTHLY PRIEST HOOD IS DONE WITH.
WE HAVE A HOLY HIGH PRIEST HIS NAME IS JESUS, AND ALL WHO HAVE BEEN WASH IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB BELONGS TO THAT ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction."

And you are certainly unlearned and unstable.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#414378 Jan 9, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't interpret the Bible, I read the word and what it says.
I have learned over the years to read word for word, if I don't understand it the first time, I re read it.
Also we have got to remember when we read the Bible, we are talking about a different time, and a different culture.
That is a bad example Rob, because like reading the Bible these things can be learned.
I don't watch the garbage that is on T.V. and I love my computer.
I have studied the Bible for many years. and I am still learning many things about it.
Do you know something Rob I can sit down and read any book and can't remember the paper I just read, but for some reason the Bible I do.
It can the living word Rob, God Gave it to the world, Catholic's got it all wrong.
The Bible clearly says
'FOR GOD SO LOVES THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." IT DOESN'T SAY GOD SO LOVE THE CATHOLIC'S HE DIE FOR JUST THEM.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ROB IS I BELEIVE JESUS ALONE SAVES, NOT MY DENOMINATION, OR A POPE, OR MARY, OR ANYONE, OR ANY THING ELSE.
BEFORE I EVEN PICKED UP A BIBLE TO READ I WAS PRAYING TO GOD, I WAS 3 WHEN I FIRST SANG A SONG THAT WAS TAUGHT TO ME IN A ORPHANAGE BY A MAN IN A WHEEL CHAIR WHO CAME EVERY SUNDAY."\IT GOES LIKE THIS .
"DO YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE BORN AGAIN'
DOES THE SPIRIT DWELL WITH IN AND CONVICT YOU OF YOUR SIN.
ARE YOU READY IF THE LORD SHOULD COME,
DO YOU KNOW WITH OUT A DOUBT ,
THAT YOUR SIN WHERE BOUGHT WITH BLOOD,
DO YOU KNOW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT
KNOW IF YOU BEEN BORN AGAIN.
I BELONG TO JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE TEACHER OF ALL TRUTHS.
LTM good friend

I agree. There isn't much on tv anymore that I watch.

And yet we all have our cultural biases. For you, remembering the "old days", is like so many of us. I do watch on tv "Joy of Music", by Diane Bish, as she plays the organ, and so many of the hymns she plays bring me back to my youth.

That being said, one must not make the past a "utopia". As we must pray to deal with today's temptations, and be delivered from evil.

I am not a subscriber to the rather strict sense of the RCC giving the Bible. Yes it is true that the Church was the organizer, and preserved it through the ages(I am speaking mainly of the N.T.) in this respect. But it is mainly in how one views what the Church is, and not our distorted view of the past.

I spend about 2 hours of Bible read/study and praying the Bible a day. I find, it a joy, when I can meditate on just a word or two in the Bible(known as lectio divina).

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#414379 Jan 9, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is really puzzeling Rob, by whose authority do you, tell me I can't possibley read and understand the Bible.
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me.
What do you think that means Rob, do you not believe that God is able to teach His church (WHICH ARE PEOPLE) THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT, WHY DO YOU PUT DOUBT IN PEOPLE, WHY DO YOU DENY THE POWER OF ALMIGHTY GOD.
REV 3 READ IT ROB, GOD OPENS DOORS NO MAN CAN CLOSE, AND SHUTS THE DOORS NO MAN CAN OPEN.
FARTHER MORE I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO BLOCK THE CATHOLIC PEOPLES WAY TO GODS THRONE ROOM PAST THE VEIL THAT WAS TORE IN TWO FROM TOP TO BOTTOM WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, IT MEANS THE EARTHLY PRIEST HOOD IS DONE WITH.
WE HAVE A HOLY HIGH PRIEST HIS NAME IS JESUS, AND ALL WHO HAVE BEEN WASH IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB BELONGS TO THAT ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.
LTM

I didn't say not to read the Bible. I did not say not to seek understanding the Bible.

Rather, it is God who is the Author, and Authority of the Bible.(Not our minds, or our understanding.)

Actually, I am trying to understand the views of orthodoxy from the effects of philosophy and culture on Christianity through time.

More specifically; the relationship of the "will/free-will" in early Christianity towards sin, and the understanding of this relationship through time to the present.

The reason is to find "common" ground upon which the Christians might reconcile differences....

In a sense we must confess we are all sinners, and have strayed.

Obviously, there is only One Foundation, Jesus.

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