Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#412906 Jan 3, 2013
Open your eyes!

Jesus did NOT want a Jesus palace -- adorned with stolen gold, mined by slaves -- all paid for through FRAUD.

Jesus did NOT teach that a religion should own a bank, or use "diplomatic immunity" to avoid accountability.

Read the Bible! What was Jesus' last act as a free man on earth? Hello? Was that just an accident of fate -- or a message?

How absurd can you get?
Clay

United States

#412907 Jan 3, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction....
"... the Church taught this dogma BEFORE these FRAUDULENT miracles."
The Church took a fine religion and infused it with fraud -- for the purpose of power and money. Before the RCC became a State Religion, it represented the values of Jesus, it helped the poor, etc. Then it became rich and corrupt -- and a lap dog for a secession of rulers.
It defrauded its followers with phony relics and fake indulgences.
No God would ever require such FRAUD from a "one-true" church.
Again you insist that Jesus has zero standards and requires zero accountability for "his church."
I am here to defend Jesus, to defend America, and to save the RCC from itself.
When did it become a state religion? In what state (country)?
Do you mean a sovereign nation? That just happened last century. At that point the Church attained allot of wealth and influence thru investments etc. Thank God for that because they were able to stare down the Soviet Union now that they became a player on the world stage.

Again, that was only a hundred yrs ago. Now if you're talking about 'state religion' as in, Rome, Sprain and France's governments becoming predominately Catholic - and in some cases like Spain imposing and carrying out an Inquisition to benefit their Monarchy - then yes, I would agree politics and religion shouldn't mix like that.

But keep it real, that has nothin to do with the doctrine and dogma of the Roman Catholic Church. If anyone abused power and sinned while masquerading as Catholics, then they violated the teachings of the Church.
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#412908 Jan 3, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Drinking Blood is forbidden, according to the bible Regina.
Drinking blood is a pagan belief.
So ... how do you reconcile that .. with the Lord's express command ...in Matthew 26:27-28?

Jesus said "Do this."

We do it.

Rob
Clay

United States

#412909 Jan 3, 2013
4GVN wrote:
There is no mention of wine in John 6: 48-58. If this passage were referring to the Mass, wouldn't wine be mentioned along with the bread?
Do you think you're being responsible by using John 6: 48-58 to cancel out 1Cor 11: 20-29 and many other verses that clearly support Catholic and Orthodox belief?
Clay

United States

#412910 Jan 3, 2013
Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
So ... how do you reconcile that .. with the Lord's express command ...in Matthew 26:27-28?
Jesus said "Do this."
We do it.
Rob
Good morning Rob. I hope you're having a good Christmas season.

Question: Why doesn't the Church put left over wine in a jar, and store it in the tabernacle?
I sit towards the back allot, and I often miss out on the wine because they run out.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#412911 Jan 3, 2013
.....Everyone remembers Cardinal Bernard Law of the Arch-diocese of Boston, whose soft-glove treatment of pedophiles ignited the Boston scandal. Cost the archdiocese of Boston $650 MILLION in lawsuits. Thankyou parishioners for your financial support.

Cardinal Law was disgraced and resigned as archbishop in 2002.

In 2004 Cardinal Law was summoned to Rome by the Pope and later in 2004 he was named pastor of a great Roman basilica, Santa Maria Maggiore, with a $10,000 per month salary and a highly influential role in choosing new American bishops.

.....and Catholics accept this joy.

No one gives a damn about the innocent victims and their families. DISGUSTING!

and.... UNBELIEVABLE!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#412912 Jan 3, 2013
Free Mind wrote:
Open your eyes!
Jesus did NOT want a Jesus palace -- adorned with stolen gold, mined by slaves -- all paid for through FRAUD.
Jesus did NOT teach that a religion should own a bank, or use "diplomatic immunity" to avoid accountability.
Read the Bible! What was Jesus' last act as a free man on earth? Hello? Was that just an accident of fate -- or a message?
How absurd can you get?
Churches built from the most expensive granite available, precious oak panelling, carved wooden statues from Italy, priceless gold chalices, plush carpeting, the doors locked 155 hours a week, and just down the street poor people living in cardboard boxes in the alley ways.

Is that what Jesus is all about? Is that what we are all about?

I believe if there was a Jesus he would have left the church centuries ago. Why wouldn't he, the church today does not represent what the bible says about him 2,000 years ago.

Jesus was represented as the poorest of the poor. The catholic church today worldwide is the MOST influencial financial real/estate owning empire on the planet.

UNBELIEVABLE!

Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#412913 Jan 3, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>HYPOCRITE????
SEE i KNEW THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH SOME IGNORANT COMMENT.
I was disputing with reggie et al, long before you ever found this forum, yet there is a BIG difference between me and some of you other characters.
I DONT STOOP TO LYING!!
see that!!!
I DONT STOOP TO LYING!!!
I have said that I have only been in one catholic church and that was enough for me. I couldnt stand the smell of all of those candles.
the fact remains that km was caughtin her own web of deceitfulness and they called her on it, SO IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN CATHOLIC SERVICES, YOU SHOULD HAVE CALLED HER ON IT 2,
instead of backing her up like you are doing and as you done with the false prophet orville.
DONT YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU BACK UP A LIAR, YOU ARE AS GUILTY AS THAT LIAR?
would you back up a person that set a house on fire and killed some little children?
the average person wouldnt and a Christian SHOULDNT.
yet people like you back up a person with a lying tongue, and the bible is very clear as to the danger that is caused by that evil tongue.
that evil tongue has killed more people that all the arsonists that have ever lived.
and FYI, God gave me that a few hours ago. and now I know why.
Preston, AKA Larry King says to LTM....

I DONT STOOP TO LYING!!

see that!!!

I DONT STOOP TO LYING!!!

MICHAEL says to Preston.....Have you NEVER lied, in your! life?

...."JUDGE NOT LEST YEE BE JUDGED"

BUSTED!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#412914 Jan 3, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
It was a Mass, the attention is on Christ. He comes first, before the bride and groom or anyone else. They knew it, that's why they chose to have a Mass. I'm sure it would sadden them greatly to know two of their guests were ridiculing their worship of Him, of His command to eat His body and drink His blood. Not very gracious of you to say the least.
So it is gracious for the Nun to demonstrate her religiosity that she could not wait until she knew that she was beyond where she could be seen to empty the chalice.

Could she not have understood that there were those there that were observing her actions that she would offend, and could have been more discreet....

Personally I do not believe in transubstantiation..and neither did most of those that attended...

We were there for a wedding and not necessarily for a religious demonstration by a nun, and to us her actions were not a part of
the ceremony it was a unnecessary detraction.

As observers...We did not see Jesus there..
We saw a person ...
( that was not dressed in a Nuns habit ) taking advantage of the situation to bring attention to themselves in order to prove their own religiosity.

Which to me ....was absolutely out of order...creating a mess... instead of a Mass.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412915 Jan 3, 2013
preston wrote:
<quoted text>YOU ARE A GOOD ONE TO TALK. you are one of the filthiest mouthed posters on this forum
how me....LIAR.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412916 Jan 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think you're being responsible by using John 6: 48-58 to cancel out 1Cor 11: 20-29 and many other verses that clearly support Catholic and Orthodox belief?
A you seeking to answer a question with a question. Try again.
Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#412917 Jan 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Good morning Rob. I hope you're having a good Christmas season.
Question: Why doesn't the Church put left over wine in a jar, and store it in the tabernacle?
I sit towards the back allot, and I often miss out on the wine because they run out.
I imagine it has to do with people having consumed from the cup, or perhaps thepossibility of spilling the Eucharist.
.
It is not that it is NEVER done. Just not very often. I have only seen it done once, when I was first ordained, and made a mistake in how much I ought to have consecrated. We had so much "left over" that it was not really possible for the ministers to consume it all right away, and *I* really could not (mebbe 3 years sober back then, and waaaaaayyyyy more cautious than I am now).
.
I was going to use the sacrorium, but the pastor directed that I place all that remained in the tabernacle, and he came back every few hours the rest of the day, and consumed it.
.
I try to gauge how many will receive from the chalice more carefully now, and I'm a lot bett at it.
.
When I'm not sure, we just don't have communion from the chalice.
.
Rob
.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412918 Jan 3, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>how me....LIAR.
SHOW ME, or admit that you are indeed a liar.
Clay

United States

#412919 Jan 3, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Churches built from the most expensive granite available, precious oak panelling, carved wooden statues from Italy, priceless gold chalices, plush carpeting, the doors locked 155 hours a week, and just down the street poor people living in cardboard boxes in the alley ways.
Is that what Jesus is all about? Is that what we are all about?
I believe if there was a Jesus he would have left the church centuries ago. Why wouldn't he, the church today does not represent what the bible says about him 2,000 years ago.
Jesus was represented as the poorest of the poor. The catholic church today worldwide is the MOST influencial financial real/estate owning empire on the planet.
UNBELIEVABLE!
Don't forget that the Church is also the largest charitable organization in the history of the planet. Doing more everyday for the poor than any other group?

What does Michael do?

Well, he's back on Topix after a few days...so apparently he paid his internet bill. Now, instead of feeding the poor in his city, he gets on Topix and trashes the people who do!!

unbelievable.
Clay

United States

#412920 Jan 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
So it is gracious for the Nun to demonstrate her religiosity that she could not wait until she knew that she was beyond where she could be seen to empty the chalice.
Could she not have understood that there were those there that were observing her actions that she would offend, and could have been more discreet....
Personally I do not believe in transubstantiation..and neither did most of those that attended...
We were there for a wedding and not necessarily for a religious demonstration by a nun, and to us her actions were not a part of
the ceremony it was a unnecessary detraction.
As observers...We did not see Jesus there..
We saw a person ...
( that was not dressed in a Nuns habit ) taking advantage of the situation to bring attention to themselves in order to prove their own religiosity.
Which to me ....was absolutely out of order...creating a mess... instead of a Mass.
As we already explained..ma'am. The nun didn't need to be discreet at all. That's why we say something fishy is going on with your story.
Also, its very very unusual to see a nun participating in Mass like that. I been to Mass thousands of times and I don't think I have ever seen one up there.
You say she snuck behind a curtain? That's really really bizarre. I don't think I've ever seem curtains either. lol.
ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#412921 Jan 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
So it is gracious for the Nun to demonstrate her religiosity that she could not wait until she knew that she was beyond where she could be seen to empty the chalice.
Could she not have understood that there were those there that were observing her actions that she would offend, and could have been more discreet....
Personally I do not believe in transubstantiation..and neither did most of those that attended...
We were there for a wedding and not necessarily for a religious demonstration by a nun, and to us her actions were not a part of
the ceremony it was a unnecessary detraction.
As observers...We did not see Jesus there..
We saw a person ...
( that was not dressed in a Nuns habit ) taking advantage of the situation to bring attention to themselves in order to prove their own religiosity.
Which to me ....was absolutely out of order...creating a mess... instead of a Mass.
If she didn't do it, the celebrant (priest) would have. That's actually the more common practice. He would have stood at the altar facing you and done the exact same thing and has nothing to do with drawing attention to oneself. It's a protective measure to prevent the profanation of the Precious Blood of Christ and is done at every single Mass. Then the chalice is wiped completely clean with a purificator so that not a trace is left. It honors Jesus. We're very protective of our Lord. The only "mess" is in your mind.

What do you do with your leftover juice?
Live Action

Piedmont, OK

#412922 Jan 3, 2013
rev 12/9.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#412923 Jan 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
And I don't really understand what you're saying about RCC and miracles Blah Blah.
I believe Fr Dye - after he was done laughing at your silly accusations- answered it thoroughly.
The RCC simply says certain events are 'worthy of belief'. They don't get to worked up in this department. And Catholics are DEFINITELY NOT required to agree with any of them.
The Church actually does a responsible job when investigating supposed miracles. They use independent scientist and carefully comb over the evidence.
Bigots like you could care less.
Why on Earth do you even care about Catholic stuff? you that insecure about your beliefs Free?
In regards to those "Eucharistic miracles" if we say that they are a hoax,the Catholic Church condemns us,and yet you say that Catholics are not bound to believe such by the Church.You can't have it both ways.

I am along with many Christians very content to see the Spiritual life that comes from observing Communion. When you take communion in a service that commemorates the Dying of our Lord,and eats the bread contemplating His sacred Body,and the same with the Juice or wine,considering His most precious blood that was shed for our sins,The Spiritual Essence of being connected by those elements to our Lord in Spirit and in Truth,is the Discernment of the Spirit, you cannot go wrong.

For many years I have been connected with believers who believe this,and from every affiliation.We reject total symbolism,and the extreme teachings of transubstantiation as well,but know that Christ offered in His body and blood LIFE,even though He was wanting us to remember explicity His death.How much can we really understand since we did not die ourselves in the way He did?

More important to all of you who join in Communion no matter the affiliation,you might want to consider MORESO than even the Lord's physical torture by scourging and crucifixion,was the torment of body soul and spirit in the Garden of Gethsemane,where our Lord sweat drops of Blood,and knew as GOD what He was going to face for the SINS of the whole world.

We cannot be even touch the surface of the multitude and various degrees of Sin Jesus suffered for.The mental anguish over the horrible deeds of Nations,despots,serial killers,the list is never ending,our Lord went to Calvary for all of that misery,no one could possibly be able to comprehend the magnitude of what Jesus faced even in Gethsemane.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#412924 Jan 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't forget that the Church is also the largest charitable organization in the history of the planet. Doing more everyday for the poor than any other group?
What does Michael do?
Well, he's back on Topix after a few days...so apparently he paid his internet bill. Now, instead of feeding the poor in his city, he gets on Topix and trashes the people who do!!
unbelievable.
The followers pay the bills, and donate their money not the church. The church is just the middleman that distributes the money given to them and the church gets all the acColades not the ones who actually put their money up. UNBELIEVABLE!

When you put your 1 dollar on the collection plate you have no idea where it goes. You don't direct it to a charity, you don't direct it to paying for lawsuits, or the expenses of the clergy.

If you didn't belong to the church wouldn't you donate your money to other good causes or would you stop giving money?

You could feed a lot more without multi million dollar edifices every few blocks that are locked up tight 155 hours a week with the heat and lights left on.

Want churches? Have simple churches, No need for 75 foot ceilings and expensive wasteful bling!

UNBELIEVABLE!

ReginaM

Jackson, NJ

#412925 Jan 3, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
So it is gracious for the Nun to demonstrate her religiosity that she could not wait until she knew that she was beyond where she could be seen to empty the chalice.
Could she not have understood that there were those there that were observing her actions that she would offend, and could have been more discreet....
Personally I do not believe in transubstantiation..and neither did most of those that attended...
We were there for a wedding and not necessarily for a religious demonstration by a nun, and to us her actions were not a part of
the ceremony it was a unnecessary detraction.
As observers...We did not see Jesus there..
We saw a person ...
( that was not dressed in a Nuns habit ) taking advantage of the situation to bring attention to themselves in order to prove their own religiosity.
Which to me ....was absolutely out of order...creating a mess... instead of a Mass.
The only one who said she was a nun is your wife. More likely she was a lay Eucharistic Minister.

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