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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 591393 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#412196 Dec 28, 2012
Clay wrote:
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No LTM, neither one of us has the authority to "search the scriptures" to determine Christianity.
That is not Biblical.
Paul was instructing Timothy to search the Hebrew books anyway.
The difference between you and those two is Paul and Timothy had the authority to do so.
You guys think every verse is somehow a personal letter to Yous - giving you the authority to teach.
Just read the Bible like we do; especially the Gospels. I love them and feel close to Christ when reading it. But don't ever think Christ is giving you the green light to start up your own church and teach His ministry. He already started a Church LTM. He doesn't need 41,000 different ones.
Wow are you really discouraging people to search Bible truths? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#412197 Dec 28, 2012
Clay the Bible tells us to preach and teach. Its wasn't just for the apostles. How can you teach if you don't know the Bible?
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#412198 Dec 28, 2012
Read your Bible people! Read Read!!...

Good night;oD
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412199 Dec 28, 2012
Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412200 Dec 28, 2012
In 1252 Pope Innocent IV officially sanctioned torture as a way of extracting the “truth” from suspects. Prior to that time, this type of extreme punishment was foreign to church tradition and practice. During the Spanish Inquisition alone, as many as 2,000 people were burned at the stake within one decade after the Inquisition began.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412201 Dec 28, 2012
The Roman Catholic Church portrays itself as the one legitimate heir to New Testament Christianity, and the Pope as the successor to Peter, the first bishop of Rome. While those details are debatable, there is no question that Roman church history reaches back to ancient times. The apostle Paul wrote his letter to the Romans about AD 55, and addressed a church body that existed prior to his first visit there (but he made no mention of Peter, though he greeted others by name). Despite repeated persecutions by the government, a vibrant Christian community existed in Rome after apostolic times. Those early Roman Christians were just like their brethren in other parts of the world—simple followers of Jesus Christ.

Things changed drastically when the Roman Emperor Constantine professed a conversion to Christianity in AD 312. He began to make changes which ultimately led to the formation of the Roman Catholic Church. He issued the Edict of Milan in 313, which granted freedom of worship throughout the empire. When doctrinal disputes arose, Constantine presided over the first ecumenical church council at Nicaea in AD 325, even though he held no official authority in the churches. By the time of his death, Christianity was the favored, if not the official, religion of the Roman Empire. The term “Roman Catholic” was defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27, 380 in the Theodosian Code. In that document, he referred to those who hold to the “religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter” as “Roman Catholic Christians,” and gave them the official sanction of the empire.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#412202 Dec 28, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>HEB.13:15 By Him therefore set us offer the 'sacrifice of praise' to God continually..
Dust Storm, if you done your homework and read these verses you would find that what you have posted is not what the scripture is talking about at all.
The end of verse 13 which your source has chosen to omit, reads...'That is, THE FRUIT OF OUR LIPS GIVING THANKS TO HIS NAME.'
The Catholic convert disagrees and so do other Protestants and most importantly the Church.

http://scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.ht...

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise - He has now fulfilled all vision and prophecy, has offered the last bloody sacrifice which God will ever accept; and as he is the gift of God's love to the world, let us through him offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, this being the substitute for all the Levitical sacrifices.

The Jews allowed that, in the time of the Messiah, all sacrifices, except the sacrifice of praise, should cease. To this maxim the apostle appears to allude; and, understood in this way, his words are much more forcible. In Vayikra Rabba, sect. 9, fol. 153, and Rabbi Tanchum, fol. 55: "Rabbi Phineas, Rabbi Levi, and Rabbi Jochanan, from the authority of Rabbi Menachem of Galilee, said, In the time of the Messiah all sacrifice shall cease, except the sacrifice of praise." This was, in effect, quoting the authority of one of their own maxims, that now was the time of the Messiah; that Jesus was that Messiah; that the Jewish sacrificial system was now abolished; and that no sacrifice would now be accepted of God, except the sacrifice of praise for the gift of his Son.

That is, the fruit of our lips - This expression is probably borrowed from Hosea 14:2, in the version of the Septuagint, &#954;&#945;&#961; &#960;&#959;&#957; &#967;&#949;&#953; &#955;&#949;&#969; &#957; which in the Hebrew text is &#1508;&#1512;&#14 97;&#1501; &#1513;&#1508;&#15 14;&#1497;&#1504;& #1493; parim sephatheinu, "the heifers of our lips." This may refer primarily to the sacrifices, heifers, calves, etc., which they had vowed to God; so that the calves of their lips were the sacrifices which they had promised. But how could the Septuagint translate &#1508;&#1512;&#14 97;&#1501; parim, calves, by &#954;&#945;&#961; &#960;&#959;&#957; , fruit? Very easily, if they had in their copy &#1508;&#1512;&#14 97; peri, the mem being omitted; and thus the word would be literally fruit, and not calves. This reading, however, is not found in any of the MSS. hitherto collated.

http://bible.cc/hebrews/13-15.htm

http://www.veritasbible.com/drb/compare/haydo...
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412203 Dec 28, 2012
Of course the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology. The Catholic Church excuses and denies its pagan origin beneath the mask of “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412204 Dec 28, 2012
Apostolic succession is not biblical. The concept of apostolic succession is never found in Scripture. What is found in Scripture is that the true church will teach what the Scriptures teach and will compare all doctrines and practices to Scripture in order to determine what is true and right. The Roman Catholic Church claims that a lack of ongoing apostolic authority results in doctrinal confusion and chaos. It is an unfortunate truth (that the apostles acknowledged) that false teachers would arise (2 Peter 2:1). Admittedly, the lack of “supreme authority” amongst non-Catholic churches results in many different interpretations. However, these differences in interpretation are not the result of Scripture being unclear. Rather, they are the result of even non-Catholic Christians carrying on the Catholic tradition of interpreting Scripture in accordance with their own traditions. If Scripture is studied in its entirety and in its proper context, the truth can be easily determined. Doctrinal differences and denominational conflicts are a result of some Christians refusing to agree with what Scripture says – not a result of there being no “supreme authority” to interpret Scripture.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#412205 Dec 28, 2012
Jesus goes on to say that "it is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63-64). So, if "the flesh is of no avail," why would we have to eat Jesus' flesh in order to have eternal life? It does not make sense, until Jesus tells us that the words He speaks are "spirit." Jesus is saying that this is not a literal teaching, but a spiritual one. The language ties in perfectly with the aforementioned statement of the apostle Paul: "Present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship" (Romans 12:1).

In Jewish thought, bread was equated with the Torah, and "eating of it" was reading and understanding the covenant of God (cf. Deuteronomy 8:3). For example, the apocryphal book of Sirach states, "'He who eats of me will hunger still, he who drinks of me will thirst for more; he who obeys me will not be put to shame, he who serves me will never fail.' All this is true of the book of Most High's covenant, the law which Moses commanded us as an inheritance for the community of Jacob" (Sirach 24:20-22). Quoting from Sirach here is not endorsing it as Scripture; it only serves to illustrate how the Jewish people thought of Mosaic Law. It is important to understand the equating of bread with the Torah to appreciate Jesus' real point.

In John 6, Jesus is actually telling the crowd that He is superior to the Torah (cf. John 6:49-51) and the entire Mosaic system of Law. The passage from Sirach states that those who eat of the Law will "hunger still" and "thirst for more"; this language is mirrored by Jesus when He says, "He who comes to Me will never be hungry, he who believes in Me will never be thirsty" (John 6:35). Jesus is not commanding people to literally eat His flesh and drink His blood, He is telling them the core of all Christian doctrine: belief in Jesus Himself ("The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent," John 6:29, emphasis added). Therefore, the Catholic interpretation of John 6 is unbiblical.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412206 Dec 29, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
None of it makes sense after Galileo.
Imagine a true God allowing so many of His supposed one and only stand-ins on earth to be criminals and buffoons -- in the line of the sacred duty of saving souls for all eternity.
After all, eternity is a long time.
Kind of flippant behavior for a savior, isn't it?
Imagine Jesus of the Bible ignoring so much of what he taught by allowing his supposed true church to cause so many souls to suffer for all eternity?
ABSURD... BUSTED...
Imagine Jesus being against the Bill of Rights!
No accountability = no soul = no way.
i have to agree with you,the church tells you one thing and behind closed doors does the opposite,it speaks the word of god but it's actions are that of satan.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412207 Dec 29, 2012
4GVN wrote:
Does anyone believe that Jesus drank His own blood and ate His own flesh?
i doubt it,that would be one sick individual to do something like that,it's all man made b.s. to glorify the story of the one god theory.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412208 Dec 29, 2012
LTM wrote:
The catholc church has no right to declare alrights to a book they dont beieve in.They lay claim to giving the Bible to the world, yet say we have no right to read it or quote from it.
Jesus Himself said we are to search the Holy Scripture which speaks of Him.
The only reason for the catholic church not wanting us to read and search the Holy Scripture is because it proves the catholic doctrine is nothing but lies.
do as we say,not as we do,if you do what the popes and vatican councilors have done in the past,your definately buying a ticket to hell.(if it exists),pope leo x "
“Since God has given us the papacy, let us enjoy it.”
“Christianity assumed a pagan character” as Leo doggedly pursued worldly pleasures.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412209 Dec 29, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know those letters were inspired?
how do you know they're not? some guy tell you that?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412210 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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"The Catholic Church wrote, translated, copied, and preserved God's written word throughout the ages. That is the only reason you even have a Bible. Quit trying to interpret the Scriptures without the Church, because it is the Bible in the Church, the Church before the Bible, the Bible and the Church (both or neither)."
the bible came before the church,the scholars that fused pagan and christianity into one, had to acomplish this before they could build constantines church.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412211 Dec 29, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
Of course the one, true Church can make the claim. The only reason you fight against it is because you are, by your own free will and stubborn pride, not IN it. Matt. 16:18 - Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail. Matt. 16:19 - for Jesus to give Peter and the apostles, mere human beings, the authority to bind in heaven what they bound on earth requires infallibility. This is a gift of the Holy Spirit and has nothing to do with the holiness of the person receiving the gift. Matt. 18:17-18 - the Church (not Scripture) is the final authority on questions of the faith. This demands infallibility when teaching the faith. She must be prevented from teaching error in order to lead her members to the fullness of salvation. Luke 10:16 - whoever hears you, hears me. Whoever rejects you, rejects me. Jesus is very clear that the bishops of the Church speak with Christ's infallible authority. 1 Tim. 3:15 - Paul says the apostolic Church (not Scripture) is the pillar and foundation of the truth. But for the Church to be the pinnacle and foundation of truth, she must be protected from teaching error, or infallible. She also must be the Catholic Church, whose teachings on faith and morals have not changed for 2,000 years. God loves us so much that He gave us a Church that infallibly teaches the truth so that we have the fullness of the means of salvation in His only begotten Son. Matt. 5:14 - Jesus says a city set on a hill cannot be hidden, and this is in reference to the Church. The Church is not an invisible, ethereal, atmospheric presence, but a single, visible and universal body through the Eucharist. The Church is an extension of the Incarnation. Matt. 12:25; Mark 3:25; Luke 11:17 - Jesus says a kingdom divided against itself is laid waste and will not stand. This describes Protestantism and the many thousands of denominations that continue to multiply each year. Matt. 16:18 - Jesus says, "I will build my 'Church'(not churches)." There is only one Church built upon one Rock with one teaching authority, not many different denominations, built upon various pastoral opinions and suggestions. Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - Jesus gave the apostles binding and loosing authority. But this authority requires a visible Church because "binding and loosing" are visible acts. The Church cannot be invisible, or it cannot bind and loose. John 10:16 - Jesus says there must only be one flock and one shepherd. This cannot mean many denominations and many pastors, all teaching different doctrines. Those outside the fold must be brought into the Church. John 17:9-26 - Jesus' prayer, of course, is perfectly effective, as evidenced by the miraculous unity of the Catholic Church during her 2,000 year history. John 17:21 - Jesus states that the visible unity of the Church would be a sign that He was sent by God. This is an extremely important verse. Jesus tells us that the unity of the Church is what bears witness to Him and the reality of who He is and what He came to do for us. There is only one Church that is universally united, and that is the Catholic Church. Only the unity of the Catholic Church truly bears witness to the reality that Jesus Christ was sent by the Father. http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
your problem here is you do not know for a fact the c.c. is the true church,judging by it's past i'd say it is not,it's filled with to much evil doings.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412212 Dec 29, 2012
Clay wrote:
The Devil couldn't touch Church doctrine and dogma, so he settled for a corrupted Priest to do it...OUTSIDE of the Church.
Whats the first thing Satan did once he had Luther in his grasp?
He changed the meaning of the Eucharist..
Then he made every one think they didn't need the Church anymore. They only needed the New Testament and they could determine for themselves what Christianity is.
Thousands of cults later....he's got you all running around thinking you're going to Heaven no matter what ya do!
Tupac Shakur's Mom's eulogy: "my son went home to Jesus".
not so fast Mrs. Shakur. You son glamorized violence and promoted disgusting songs about woman.
You were told the wrong Gospel and so was your son. You guys were falsely mislead into thinking your faith in Christ was enough to get you into Heaven.
wise up 4gvn, you can't be teaching the wrong gospel.
satan has nothing to do with luther,he was an honest man who left a corrupt organization that cared about itself and not the people it suppose to guide,the only people favored by the church were the rich and powerful,luther saw the evil the church was doing by selling positions (including the papal chair)within the church,and like most honest people would feel is that it is wrong to do so, and he left to create a uncorrupt church,removed the papacy from the teachings of his church which was the right thing to do,it is a meaningless position,it's just a figure head position,no pope had the powers of the apostles,name one that layed their hands upon a sick person and healed him/her? quote from you "not so fast Mrs. Shakur. You son glamorized violence and promoted disgusting songs about woman.
You were told the wrong Gospel and so was your son. You guys were falsely mislead into thinking your faith in Christ was enough to get you into Heaven.
JETHRO:what's wrong with her thinking this way? the church commited violence and inappropiately touched women and children,and they all believe they are going to heaven,just confess to a man in a closet pay a few bucks,and your all set.that is basically how the church operates,anything for a buck. you've heard of dollar stores, in the c.c. you have the dollar church.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#412213 Dec 29, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You said this yesterday and I asked you to show us how we're Pagan. Is it the Mass? The Eucharist? Confession? How are we Pagan..
I think you're just repeating this title and not even knowing what you're saying.
the church uses pagan dates for every religious holiday including the birth of jesus,they use pagan symbols,they changed the sabbath to sunday,because pagans worshipped the sun as a god (baal).

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#412214 Dec 29, 2012
Today's scripture reading:

Leviticus 14:49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:

51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:

52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:

53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#412215 Dec 29, 2012
30Dec12.....

.....truth wrote:
http://www.google.com.au/searc h?hl=en&tbo=d&spell=1 &q=muslim+genital+mutilati on&sa=X&ei=e3vYUPDFBeP digeF9YDoDw&ved=0CDIQvwUoA A&biw=1472&bih=705
Muslim girls in Muslim world.
What a about Christians?
Nobody molesting them not abuse not assault or killed?!
Must be funny man Swearing.

29Dec12.....

....Oh yes. Indeedy they do.'Some' Christian girls do so get molested.

Ps:.....However, the number PALES in comparison to the number of
muslime girls that get sexually molested.

....Can you imagine a young muslime girl having to 'just lie there' while
some gray-whiskered, dirty slob crawls between her legs to have his way
with her!!!.....This goes on millions of times a day....especially in
the MiddleEAST, Pakistan, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, and parts of Africa
and West Africa where muslimes live.

They are indeed, a filty breed.

Bowing down five (5) times a day to pray, then arising to beat their
servants, withhold their pay, screw them, and toss them out like
pieces of garbage. Millions of poor, non-muslime, uneducated peoples
have been treated this way. Go, take a walkAbout in the MiddleEast.

Note: BobLoblah was walking through a mall one time and in a display
window there were some manniquins wearing Tee-Shirts. The Tee-Shirts
had wording on the front reading 'Catholic Girls Are Easy'.
BobLoblah went inside and there was a young lady (klutz) working there
and when BobLoblah asked to speak to the manager, she said 'he's Not in'.

BobLoblah mentioned about the Tee-Shirts in the window and WHY there
were no displays showing Tee-Shirts reading 'Muslime Girls Are Easy'.
The 'klutz' on duty didn't have a clue as to what BobLoblah was on about.
Eventually, BobLoblah got the name and telephone number of the manager.

On calling this number, BobLoblah left a message making it sound as if
BobLoblah had some possible business to talk over with the manager.
Sometime later, BobLoblah got a call from this manager. When BobLoblah
asked this manager why he was selling Tee-Shirts in his shop window
only displaying 'Catholic Girls Are Easy' and NOT including 'Muslime
Girls Are Easy'.....this manager began to 'chant' the usual schidt.
He said that it was his business and that he would do whatever he wanted
to do in his shop.

BobLoblah said 'we'll see about that'...and BobLoblah will show you the
REAL power of One'.

What do you mean, this manager asked.

BobLoblah said 'just you wait and see'.

TWO (2) days later there were NO Tee-Shirts in the windows, nor in
the shop.

How did BobLoblah know....well you see, BobLoblah re-visited the shop and this
time even chattedUP the manager who happened to be there...with him NOT
knowing that he was talking to BobLoblah. When BobLoblah asked where
were the Tee-Shirts 'Catholic Girls Are Easy' as BobLoblah wanted to
purchase one, the manager said "We had to get rid of them. The local
Roman Catholic parish and schools were threatening to come down on
us".

....Wonder who started that UP.

.....hhhmmmmmmmmmm. Now if only BobLoblah could 'slip' a Tee-Shirt inside
this same shop and put it on a mannequinn with the wording 'Muslime Girls
Are Easy'. That would get a few heads 'lopped' off. Yes!!!

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

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