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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683952 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#409617 Dec 15, 2012
who="Clay"
The thing that boggles my mind is Catholics acknowledge God working in each and everyone your churches. You guys on the other hand, confiscate our Bible and use it against us, and spit on us.
Confrint, the Bible is not for you to safeguard. The proof is that you are a hateful person. Unwillingly to repent even though you been caught red handed lying about us.

*********

This must be something new. I've known Catholics through the years, and they were never ALLOWED to go to a Protestant church.

The Word of God is not yours/ours, it is HIS.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409618 Dec 15, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
I'm not speaking for Preston Kay, but you have made some really disparaging statements about the pope and Catholics, and even after you were shown your error you continue to deny any wrongdoing. I for one would never mention it again if you were admit your mistake. What if find so disturbing about you and your husband is that you seem unwilling to consider it. It's almost as though you feel that because its Catholics you're hurting, you have no need to feel remorse, like we're not even human beings worthy of respect. I'm willing to offer an olive branch, but only if you stop spitting on us.
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Anthony...I have said nothing disparaging about Catholic Christians. I have even commented that I have Catholic relatives and friends. I have commented on some teachings of Catholicism, which are in conflict with Christianity (perhaps included the Pope who apparently sees himself on the same level as God).
You are proving my position; the CC is foremost in Catholic teaching/thought, so much so that you feel personally attacked...and will attack me. The CC comes first, Jesus/God comes second in your teaching.
Defend the gospel. Let the CC do what all of us must do: PUT GOD FIRST.
KayMarie
I'm sorry Kay, but you can't keep your words hidden, you can't sweep them under the rug and hope everyone forgets. You made a snide post questioning the popes intelligence for no other reason than to ridicule him, when in fact, you were mistaken about what the bible actually says while he was correct all along. When confronted with your error you and your husband fought tooth and nail to justify it.

So, here we go again. Your newest cheap shot is to say the pope thinks himself equal to God. When has he said that? Explain to me where you or your ignorant husband has the authority to declare what conficts with "Christianity"? Gve me ANY evidence that the Church teaches she comes first before God.

It saddens me to see a 79 year old woman, someone who at this stage in her life who should be dignified and above the fray of lies and distortions and digging in the gutter, would act the way you do. As I said before, my saintly mother had she not died so young would be about your age. It is impossible to imagine that she would behave the way you are. I'm ashamed for you.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#409619 Dec 15, 2012
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I am who I say that I am.satisfied?
if I dont sign in,then the preston will show up.
then again, I could sign in as CR, my orignal nick back in 08.
or I could use my nick as Jonah. whatever turns me on, as for you. I could care less who you are.
Preston Do you remember that comedian that used to say my name is Johnson, but you can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Ray Jay or you can call me Jay Ray (he would go on and on like this) but you doesnt have to call me Johnson.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409620 Dec 15, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey 4GVN!! Go back to your "thumb sucking" pacifier (heretics), Ron Rhodes and James McCarthy, because that is "all" that you ever quote--and all of us Catholics "know it"!!
Maybe you should learn to quote somebody. Because you have nothing to say on your own. And 'all of us non-catholics know it.' [email protected]
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#409621 Dec 15, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
The President,
like the rest of the pro abortionist
pretended to wipe tears from His eyes in his (so called)emotional facade yesterday..
Any one that is pro abortion that attempts to show
emotion for the 20 Children that died yesterday in
New Town Massacre is a hypocrite of the first degree.
16Dec12.....

.....A hypocrite. Agreed.

People don't give tooo much thought to 'killing' a child still in the womb. They cannot see it and therefore they cannot see what happens when the child is 'torn' apart.

Should the child in the womb be taken outside its mother and placed on the table and torn apart, BobLoblah would wager that 'Most...if not ALL' pro-abortionists would NOT be able to stand the sight.

Neither does GOD.

Ps:.....and den sum tooooooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Clay

Garden City, MI

#409622 Dec 15, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
The thing that boggles my mind is Catholics acknowledge God working in each and everyone your churches. You guys on the other hand, confiscate our Bible and use it against us, and spit on us.
Confrint, the Bible is not for you to safeguard. The proof is that you are a hateful person. Unwillingly to repent even though you been caught red handed lying about us.
*********
This must be something new. I've known Catholics through the years, and they were never ALLOWED to go to a Protestant church.
The Word of God is not yours/ours, it is HIS.
KayMarie
The reason that Catholics *wouldn't* be allowed to attend a Protestant Church is because the word of God is not being pronounced in total truth. Just bits and pieces. Or in some cases, total opposite of what was established by the Apostles. New and strange doctrines are being announced from the preachers pulpit. Sola fide and sola scripture are a couple.
However, the Church, as far as I know, wouldn't be completely against worshipping with non Catholics. I never heard them say we couldn't.

And Kay, I don't want to insult you because I know you love the Bible dearly. But its NOT a Pentecostal book. That is, your church is not the authority and safeguarder of scripture. The Church that compiled the books and added them to the Jewish books- are the safeguarders.
You had know way of knowing those books were scripture unless the Catholic Church made it known. We hand copied the books for over a thousand yrs before it was printed and obtained by the laity. Then everyone ran off in a rabid frenzy, because they didn't know how to translate the books.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409623 Dec 15, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The reason that Catholics *wouldn't* be allowed to attend a Protestant Church is because the word of God is not being pronounced in total truth. Just bits and pieces. Or in some cases, total opposite of what was established by the Apostles. New and strange doctrines are being announced from the preachers pulpit. Sola fide and sola scripture are a couple.
However, the Church, as far as I know, wouldn't be completely against worshipping with non Catholics. I never heard them say we couldn't.
And Kay, I don't want to insult you because I know you love the Bible dearly. But its NOT a Pentecostal book. That is, your church is not the authority and safeguarder of scripture. The Church that compiled the books and added them to the Jewish books- are the safeguarders.
You had know way of knowing those books were scripture unless the Catholic Church made it known. We hand copied the books for over a thousand yrs before it was printed and obtained by the laity. Then everyone ran off in a rabid frenzy, because they didn't know how to translate the books.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/my_top_ten.h...
Clay

Garden City, MI

#409624 Dec 15, 2012
... Not to mention Kay, we have seven more books in the Bible. We have more scripture.

If you use a bible that doesn't have these books, then you are accepting the canon of a rogue priest (Luther) who sided with the Jews of 95 AD instead of the Christians of 33 AD.
If Jesus would have spoke about the books He wanted in scripture, then the seven books that Luther took out, would be in there.

Of course, you accept that the Holy Spirit guided the Church when the Bible was compiled....then you accept that the Holy Spirit guided Luther when it was re compiled?? Makes no sense.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#409625 Dec 15, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
Thanks.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409626 Dec 15, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You asked what we are "saved" from. Are you saved from something else? Yes, at this moment I am saved. Yes, if I endure to the end, fight the good fight, I will be saved.
You really have trouble dealing with people in a respectful manner (insert name here), don't you.
Do you think it is disrespectful to question your answers? I am trying to understand what you are saying, because you are all over the map. "you ARE ,aved and you WILL BE SAVED" from eternal damnation??? Which is it? And WHEN DID YOU BECOME SAVED? So what you are telling me is that you ARE NOT saved from eternal damnation, but hope to be after all is finished. You can not BE SAVED (and) WILL BE SAVED from eternal damnation all at the same time. YOu are or you aren't. Which is it? Yours is a hope so salvation, which depends on the existance of an imaginary place (purgatory) to remove the sins that only JESUS can remove. That , Anthony, is a false Gospel.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409627 Dec 15, 2012
If a person sticks a little plastic figure on the dashboard of thier car and believes that this little plastic figure has ANY ability to keep one safe, is that Idolatry?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409628 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Do you think it is disrespectful to question your answers? I am trying to understand what you are saying, because you are all over the map. "you ARE ,aved and you WILL BE SAVED" from eternal damnation??? Which is it? And WHEN DID YOU BECOME SAVED? So what you are telling me is that you ARE NOT saved from eternal damnation, but hope to be after all is finished. You can not BE SAVED (and) WILL BE SAVED from eternal damnation all at the same time. YOu are or you aren't. Which is it? Yours is a hope so salvation, which depends on the existance of an imaginary place (purgatory) to remove the sins that only JESUS can remove. That , Anthony, is a false Gospel.
VI. I Have Been Saved (past event)
Rom. 8:24 - for in this hope we were saved (but, again, why "hope" if salvation is a certainty?)

Eph. 2:5,8 - for by grace you have been saved through faith.

2 Tim. 1:9 - He saved us and called us through grace and not by virtue of our own works outside of His grace.

Titus 3:5 - He saved us in virtue of His own mercy, and not by our deeds.

VII. I Am Being Saved (present event)
1 Cor. 1:18 - for the word of the cross is folly to those perishing, but for to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. Salvation is not a one-time event. It is a process of perseverance through faith, hope and love.

2 Cor. 2:15 - for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved. Salvation is a continual process.

Phil. 2:12 - we are working out our salvation through fear and trembling. Salvation is an ongoing process.

1 Peter 1:9 - you obtain the salvation of your souls as the outcome of your faith. Working out our salvation in fear and trembling is a lifelong process.

VIII. I Will Be Saved (future event)
Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13 - again, Jesus taught that we must endure to the very end to be saved. Salvation is a past, present and future event (not a one-time event at an altar call).

Mark 16:16 – Jesus says whoever believes and is baptized will be saved.

Acts 15:11 - we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus.

Rom. 5:9-10 - since we are justified by His blood, we shall be saved.

Rom. 13:11 - salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. How can we be only nearer to something we already have?

1 Cor. 3:15 - he will be saved, but only as through fire.

1 Cor. 5:5 - Paul commands the Church to deliver a man to satan, that he will be saved in the day of the Lord.

2 Tim. 2:11-12 - if we endure, we shall also reign with Him. This requires endurance until the end of our lives.

Heb. 9:28 - Jesus will appear a second time to save those who are eagerly waiting for Him.

James 5:15 - the sacrament of the sick will save the sick man and the Lord will raise him up.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.ht...

Now, I ask you respectfully to answer my questions;

If you are saved instantly, no ifs, ands or buts, when you accept Jesus into your heart, how can you look to something (like good moral behaviour) AFTER this event and make any kind of judgement about their salvation?

If a person "gets saved" and behaves the way you think they should for 20 years and then decides to run of with another man's wife and dies shortly thereafter before repenting, is he still saved?

If not, why not?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#409629 Dec 15, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, at this moment I am saved. Yes, if I endure to the end, fight the good fight, I will be saved.
Can you not understand that you either are or are not "saved from eternal damnation". There is only one judgement at which people will be eternally damned. If I have been saved from drowning, I am not STILL at risk of drowning. Drowning however could be a repeated threat. Whereas eternal damnation occurs ONLY once.
And how can you as a catholic possible proclaim yourself as saved. How can you know that there is not some obscure little sin that you have failed to confess. And YOUR understanding that NO SIN can enter heaven would then banish you from that place. I see no truth to your statements. Just a false hope on your part because that is what you have been told. And lastly, as I have asked now for the thousandeth time. When do you believe that you 'became saved'?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409630 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
If a person sticks a little plastic figure on the dashboard of thier car and believes that this little plastic figure has ANY ability to keep one safe, is that Idolatry?
If a person asks their neighbor to pray for them, knowing that it's only God who can help, is that idolatry?
LTM

Stoney Creek, Canada

#409631 Dec 15, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The thing that boggles my mind is Catholics acknowledge God working in each and everyone your churches. You guys on the other hand, confiscate our Bible and use it against us, and spit on us.
Confrint, the Bible is not for you to safeguard. The proof is that you are a hateful person. Unwillingly to repent even though you been caught red handed lying about us.
'WE CONFISCATED YOUR BIBLE WWWHHHAAATTT"
The Holy Scripture are for everyone that has lived, is living, and yet to come. God's word is for everyone.
The Holy spirit of God safeguards "HIS BIBLE" you would know that if you actually read it Clay
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409632 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> Can you not understand that you either are or are not "saved from eternal damnation". There is only one judgement at which people will be eternally damned. If I have been saved from drowning, I am not STILL at risk of drowning. Drowning however could be a repeated threat. Whereas eternal damnation occurs ONLY once.
And how can you as a catholic possible proclaim yourself as saved. How can you know that there is not some obscure little sin that you have failed to confess. And YOUR understanding that NO SIN can enter heaven would then banish you from that place. I see no truth to your statements. Just a false hope on your part because that is what you have been told. And lastly, as I have asked now for the thousandeth time. When do you believe that you 'became saved'?
I know that I'm saved today because I trust Jesus's promise. I have no unconfessed mortal sins, which is what will keep me from entering the kingdom. Yet I am not able to predict the future.

My venial sins, wood and straw as St. Paul said, will be burned up, but I will still enter the kingdom.

"I see no truth to your statements. Just a false hope on your part because that is what you have been told."

Nevertheless.

"And lastly, as I have asked now for the thousandeth time. When do you believe that you 'became saved'?"

There are a hundred questions of mine that you've refused to answer. Answer some of them and I will happy to start answering yours again.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#409633 Dec 15, 2012
4GVN wrote:
If a person sticks a little plastic figure on the dashboard of thier car and believes that this little plastic figure has ANY ability to keep one safe, is that Idolatry?
Yes.

Are you implying that Catholics would believe the little plastic figure itself has some special powers?
Then you would be baring false witness again.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#409634 Dec 15, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
'WE CONFISCATED YOUR BIBLE WWWHHHAAATTT"
The Holy Scripture are for everyone that has lived, is living, and yet to come. God's word is for everyone.
The Holy spirit of God safeguards "HIS BIBLE" you would know that if you actually read it Clay
Not to privately interpret....and thats what you all are doing.

You can't possibly deny the mess you all created with sola scripture and private interpetation.....just a big complete utter mess.

Not one of ya even has the guts to stand up and say "its MY interpretations that are the correct ones". Because really, that is exactly what most of you want us to think about you.
LTM

Stoney Creek, Canada

#409635 Dec 15, 2012
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>the same goes for you, you and teh sda cultist wear those icons out.
so answer this for all of us.
how did you know that oddjg was gone?
was that you trolling his nick and cussing people out and talking filthy like you did to john?
to know that he was gone indicates that topix kicked you off using that nick. correct?
Why don't you try and stop acting like the back end of a donkey for once. Why don't you answer that, you are still using John to fuel the fire that keeps you egging people to argue with you on here you are pathetic. "JOHN IS NOT HERE TO AGREE OR DEBATE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. GOD REST HIS SOUL.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#409636 Dec 15, 2012
The real conundrum for OSAS protestants...

"The doctrine of "once saved, always saved" was invented by John Calvin during the Reformation. Under this theory, the Protestant believes that one is saved when he accepts Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. This is comforting - after all, who wouldn't want assurance? According to this view, true Christians are the ones who will persevere to the end. For those who accepted Christ during their lives but did not persevere to the end, the doctrine calls these people superficial Christians. So true Christians will go to heaven and superficial Christians will not. Not only is this teaching not Scriptural, it is difficult to accept the teaching on reason.

The only distinction between a true Christian and a superficial Christian is that the superficial Christian did not persevere to the end. Otherwise, the two types of Christians appear to be the same. The superficial Christian has all the earmarks of a true Christian except that he did not persevere. But this necessarily means that the true Christian cannot know that he really is a true Christian either until the end of his life. He, too, won't know whether his conversion was genuine until the end of his life. Therefore, despite all the talk about assurance, he cannot be sure.

This doctrine, therefore, actually gives its adherents less assurance of their salvation. It necessarily imposes upon them uncertainty until the end. The Catholic (and Scriptural) view, however, does give assurance to the believer that he is in fact currently saved (a true Christian), and that, if he perseveres to the end, he will be saved at death. We also know that God will give all the graces necessary for us to be faithful to the end (because of our freewill, the question is always whether we will accept the grace or not). Thus, Catholics know that it is theirs to lose. Protestant Calvinists don't even know whether it is theirs to begin with."

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/justificatio...

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