Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#408628 Dec 11, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>There is Truth beyond man's varied interpretations.Look at philosophy, Or differences in scientists thoughts. Black Sheep. There were many variations in what philosopherts posed. Look at Socrates. Then examine Sartre.Because they differ, does this mean Truth does not exist? Also does it mean that each of them does not have any Trith at all, or is there some Truth in each of them.
I am fully aware of quote mining and I see your point.It does not however negate God's Truth or the brilliant minds and souls beyond topix that have approached it.
So now we are at the bottom of it! "God's Truth" What is "God's Truth" and who knows it? Every christian fully believes that they are on the inside track to what god requires, yet there are how many different sects?

The one true sect should be able to prove that they are truly the one, right? If faith can move mountains, why can't the one true or the 10 true or the 100 true sects have their follower put their faith together and move the mountain of false information?

Everyone of those thousand of christian sects want to be right! If they are wrong about something that will send them to hell, they want to be corrected while there is still time, right? Maybe not all of them, but I would hope the majority of them would.

So, why not use the faith you have to move the mountain?

Because you know full well that no amount of faith will move a mustard seed, let alone a mountain. You know it, but you are terrified of saying it, even to yourself!

Believe me, I thought it was fake from the age of 12 or so, but I was afraid to say anything! All these adults who took care of me, who taught me the things I needed to grow up, were telling me that christianity was real! I must be missing something, I thought! Everyone I knew was a christian. Everyone I knew attended church on a regular basis!

It took me until I read the entire bible to finally admit that I did not believe. There is no way that a god would save Ham knowing what he would do. There is no way that god would put the forbidden tree and the serpent in the garden with adam and eve, knowing full well that they would fail. There is no way god would save Lot, knowing that he would get drunk and impregnate his own daughters. There is no way that a god would require animal sacrifices. There is no way that god would force a woman to marry her rapist.

If that is what you believe, fine! I joined the Army to ensure our rights were not taken away from us. Just stop trying to put your religion in our public schools and government.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408629 Dec 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
As I've told you before, St. Paul's idea of 'believing' is different than your idea. Look at what they did immediately afterwards.
Not true, look at what I did immediatly after.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408630 Dec 11, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
It must not be major enough to shut down the organization, even when it has been discovered that there was a cover-up involved.
Hmmmmm....sounds like you are having a difficult time understanding your support for the RCC, if you believe that the acts that have been done are "major".
Yet you are still a participant, and more than likely, one that donates to this organization.
Why?
NASL

I know you don't recognize sin in your religion.
I know you don't recognize sinners in your religion.

Gnosticism is to dark to recognize....

Hmmmm...,could it be that Gnostics got into the back door of the RCC?

Thanks for the clue, you have given me a better understanding. Thank you....

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408631 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a huge difference between 'knowing' something and having 'faith' in something. You have faith that there is an afterlife, you have never been in heaven, so you cannot say that you know that it is there.
Do you know that I have not sacrificed anything for anyone? No, but because I am an Atheist, you have faith that I have not. Well, you faith is wrong. I, being an Atheist, realize that this is my only time to do the right things in life.
How many times do you stop, late at night, and give a lift to a stranger? Why is it that I see 20 cars drive by a man stranded on the side of the road and I, the Atheist, is the only one to stop? Out of those 20 cars, 14 of them would claim to be christian, yet it is me that stops.
The first thing you will claim is: "I am a woman and I cannot take the chance." But isn't your god going to protect you? I have no god and I stop. You have no faith in your god to protect you.
Your problem with me is, you don't live up to your god's standards, so you need to find someone, "worse {in christian terms}" than you to make yourself feel better.
You don't follow gods laws any better or worse than I do.
TBS

First of all to merit out justice, is a great thing, and so to help is even further still. Yet this is not the Good Samaritan scenerio....Also to say that God will protect her is misled in that we are not to put God to the test, or tempt God, per what Jesus did regarding being tempted by Satan....

No.... It is not faith in God which you state, rather it is the use of prudence that helps make a decision to stop or not at night on the road to "help" someone.

If you were in a fire-fight, and just run out into enemy fire because you saw someone hurt, you might be considered a hero, but also imprudent.

One must use courage(fortitude) and prudence wisely, not recklessly.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#408632 Dec 11, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Marion Va..WoW ...The place where the insane asylum is located and has been for years...
Would you care to share your room number?
hah, he is in asingle room, get your own.lol

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408633 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Oh, I think you did. While you safely sit behind a computer, you accuse me of many terrible things, yet the only thing that you really know about me is; I am an Atheist.
Stay behind your computer and say whatever you like! It proves what kind of man you are.
TBS

"Did I say anything about your "service"?
No "

Why?

Because you have only, and repeatedly told me your an atheist.

Now, as of today, I know you were in the "service", and saw you were in the Army....

I have no idea when, or where you were in, or if you were in a combat situation.

I was in combat at the end of the Vietnam War. And I am 60% disabled from it....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#408634 Dec 11, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
I know you don't recognize sin in your religion.
I know you don't recognize sinners in your religion.
Gnosticism is to dark to recognize....
Hmmmm...,could it be that Gnostics got into the back door of the RCC?
Thanks for the clue, you have given me a better understanding. Thank you....
You couldn't stay on the topic or the discussion, huh?

Figures.

1. You don't believe Jesus.
2. You would rather belittle others for no apparent reason
3. And you would rather divert from answering the questions that are put forth.

You are not batting 1000.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#408635 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Not true, look at what I did immediatly after.
however you listen to graham and never gave up your perverted lifestyle, right?

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#408636 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
If you say something, which is not accurate or germane to the conversation, I will not lay down and roll over for you. If my proposal was faulty, take me up on it. Give me a subject and a novel and I will confirm the subject by quote mining the novel.
How hard is it to give instructions? The military is very efficient with its instructions on every piece of equipment. Without knowing the first thing about an M72 LAW Rocket, you could pick one up and safely fire it, in five minutes or less.
What you are telling me is, the U.S. Military is smarter and more efficient that your god.
No, what I am telling you is that you play the same game. You select the most harsh Bible quotes from the Old Testament to formulate your picture of an evil and petty God. You pull these quotes out of the teachings ofn Christ pased down through tradition and for those who disregard tradition,the New Testament, to make your point. Again, God gave a simple enough instruction to Adam-correct? Yet Adam went his own way. You see there are things that guide us wayaw from od's Word and also leads us to read whatever we want into God's Word.These things in man are the in the nature of man in whatever pursuit he engages.These are passions (such as pride) faults, and if you are a student of Psychology faulty beliefs and thoughts (ie Rational Emotive Therapy)All created by your "horrible God" out of respect and love to give us free will. So many paths of inquiry needed to respend to your simplistic readings and questions.This is why encourage you to read theology.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#408637 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
So now we are at the bottom of it! "God's Truth" What is "God's Truth" and who knows it? Every christian fully believes that they are on the inside track to what god requires, yet there are how many different sects?
The one true sect should be able to prove that they are truly the one, right? If faith can move mountains, why can't the one true or the 10 true or the 100 true sects have their follower put their faith together and move the mountain of false information?
Everyone of those thousand of christian sects want to be right! If they are wrong about something that will send them to hell, they want to be corrected while there is still time, right? Maybe not all of them, but I would hope the majority of them would.
So, why not use the faith you have to move the mountain?
Because you know full well that no amount of faith will move a mustard seed, let alone a mountain. You know it, but you are terrified of saying it, even to yourself!
Believe me, I thought it was fake from the age of 12 or so, but I was afraid to say anything! All these adults who took care of me, who taught me the things I needed to grow up, were telling me that christianity was real! I must be missing something, I thought! Everyone I knew was a christian. Everyone I knew attended church on a regular basis!
It took me until I read the entire bible to finally admit that I did not believe. There is no way that a god would save Ham knowing what he would do. There is no way that god would put the forbidden tree and the serpent in the garden with adam and eve, knowing full well that they would fail. There is no way god would save Lot, knowing that he would get drunk and impregnate his own daughters. There is no way that a god would require animal sacrifices. There is no way that god would force a woman to marry her rapist.
If that is what you believe, fine! I joined the Army to ensure our rights were not taken away from us. Just stop trying to put your religion in our public schools and government.
I am not putting mmy religion anywhere.You totally side step my point. the point being just because there are varied perspectives on what is Truth does not negate that there is Truth.Again, there are answers to your questions. se your questions for learning, not for attack.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#408638 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>I am sure that you have been told this before. The Theory of Evolution does not cover abiogenesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

That a lone tells me that you have a very limited understanding of science. You would rather listen to a preacher telling you that these thing could not have happened than to research them yourself.

You are playing the god of the gaps and with every discovery, the gaps narrow. Modern science is 500 years old at best. Since I have been alive, we have gone from a few main frame computers that ran on tubes, to people having dozens of computer driven devices that they use without even realizing it.

Within a few years, scientist will create life from chemicals and then you would say, who made the chemicals, they could not make themselves. You will be forced to allow the gaps to close tighter, but you won't give up. Good for you!
Soooo based on your link that's a "I don't know" or at best "we think maybe" so it comes down to better to have faith in a puddle of goo than a living God.
Better to think we are an accidental universe fart than God dun it.
WIKI SAYING WE DON'T KNOW ISN'T EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING!
Orville

Portland, OR

#408639 Dec 11, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>your accusations alone are a good indicator that you know nothing about Christ and His love.
so again, what did I lie about?


Never Preston. Preston lie? No way. it must be the one armed man they have confused you with right?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408640 Dec 11, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You couldn't stay on the topic or the discussion, huh?
Figures.
1. You don't believe Jesus.
2. You would rather belittle others for no apparent reason
3. And you would rather divert from answering the questions that are put forth.
You are not batting 1000.
NASL

lol....

So by your thinking we.... must shut down every business, organization, no, no,...,bigger, bigger,

lets shut down the U.S., and every other country, religion, culture, race, because they have child molesters amongst the sheep....

You helped me see how the darkened mind of Gnosticism sees....

Again and again, I thank you.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#408641 Dec 11, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I have posted numerous times on this forum, on how the RCC (not the so-called "Church") has not upheld any "truth".
How much more do you need me to post, before you do believe it?
What specific piece of evidence are you looking for and I will try to find it for you.
One piece of evidence that you've dismissed already, is the belief that Jesus is "God" - exclaimed by your hierarchy in the 5th and 6th centuries, but not one piece of evidence to secure that.
How much more? Or will there never be enough?
Again, you get to make the choice of what to believe - Self.
No religion required.
There - I've given you two pieces of evidence that supports my position that the RCC is not what it claims.
In a nutshell - one could also claim that since Christianity, doesn't teach all of what Jesus taught, then this in itself, shows a lacking of "truth".
You've given me no evidence. You don't understand Catholicism enough to give me any evidence. First you need to learn what the Church actually teaches. Then you can hammer away if you want.
(Im referring to your first line about the Church supposedly not 'upholding truth'. Assuming you know what truth is and are an authority on the matter)

Second, the Church always believed Jesus is God. Many people like to think - since the Church made a public statement - that, at that moment, is the inception of the dogma. Not true. They simply clarify things when need be.

Why don't we Christians teach all what Jesus taught??
I assume you mean the gospel of Thomas?

Sorry, i just can't buy into that as legit. If one reads those quotes and then Matthews quotes, there is clearly two different Jesus's speaking.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#408642 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>Pay attention, this is where your logic fails.

The laws you quoted are from imperfect men, the laws I quoted are from a perfect god.

Speaking of god's laws, are you breaking any? Daily even? Yet you are not concerned with that! Why is that? If god and his judgment is so important to you, why do you not care that you are breaking his laws?
How do you know he broke Gods laws? Are you God? If not who are you to tell him he is a doing wrong?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#408643 Dec 11, 2012
who="TheBlackSheep"
So now we are at the bottom of it! "God's Truth" What is "God's Truth" and who knows it? Every christian fully believes that they are on the inside track to what god requires, yet there are how many different sects?
The one true sect should be able to prove that they are truly the one, right? If faith can move mountains, why can't the one true or the 10 true or the 100 true sects have their follower put their faith together and move the mountain of false information?
Everyone of those thousand of christian sects want to be right! If they are wrong about something that will send them to hell, they want to be corrected while there is still time, right? Maybe not all of them, but I would hope the majority of them would.
So, why not use the faith you have to move the mountain?
Because you know full well that no amount of faith will move a mustard seed, let alone a mountain. You know it, but you are terrified of saying it, even to yourself!
Believe me, I thought it was fake from the age of 12 or so, but I was afraid to say anything! All these adults who took care of me, who taught me the things I needed to grow up, were telling me that christianity was real! I must be missing something, I thought! Everyone I knew was a christian. Everyone I knew attended church on a regular basis!
It took me until I read the entire bible to finally admit that I did not believe. There is no way that a god would save Ham knowing what he would do. There is no way that god would put the forbidden tree and the serpent in the garden with adam and eve, knowing full well that they would fail. There is no way god would save Lot, knowing that he would get drunk and impregnate his own daughters. There is no way that a god would require animal sacrifices. There is no way that god would force a woman to marry her rapist.
If that is what you believe, fine! I joined the Army to ensure our rights were not taken away from us. Just stop trying to put your religion in our public schools and government.

**********

In spite of the lies currently going around, AMERICAN SCHOOLS AND GOVERNMENT WERE ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROTECTION OF CHRISTIANS. They are not the property of unbelievers. Through the grace of Christians, every person is welcome to live here and worship as they please. But please note that EVERYONE OF EVERY RELIGION has been obligated to keep our laws that are based on Judeo/Christian principles...right out of the Bible.

Sorry, kid. You are too late to tell me that faith doesn't work. I was told that I would not live due to rheumatic fever when I was three years old; when I lived anyway, they said I would never have a family. I am 79 years old. I have nine children. I danced away from crutches at church one night. I was supposed to be on them for four to five months (I had used them ONE WEEK), I never saw them again.
We've never gone hungry...and we didn't lean on food stamps or welfare. And that is just for starters...God keeps His own.

The reason my faith will not cause everyone to believe the truth, is the fact that people each have free will...including you. You deliberately reject what I have told you because YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE...and that is YOUR freewill. God will not force you to do/believe anything. Why? Because He is showing you what YOU really are.

All of us who are Christian are in a process of learning from Him. Some of us are 'children'; some are more mature. It is a process...and God gives us a lifetime to fulfill it.

Lots daughters thought that they and their father were the only living people left...all the cities around them were burning. They determined to make their father drunk...then have children by him, so that mankind would not die out. They knew that he would not have done such a thing.

Out of room...

KayMarie

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#408644 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>Help me understand this:

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
You don't want to understand if you did you would have already. You are lost and do not want to be found. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#408645 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>So now we are at the bottom of it! "God's Truth" What is "God's Truth" and who knows it? Every christian fully believes that they are on the inside track to what god requires, yet there are how many different sects?

The one true sect should be able to prove that they are truly the one, right? If faith can move mountains, why can't the one true or the 10 true or the 100 true sects have their follower put their faith together and move the mountain of false information?

Everyone of those thousand of christian sects want to be right! If they are wrong about something that will send them to hell, they want to be corrected while there is still time, right? Maybe not all of them, but I would hope the majority of them would.

So, why not use the faith you have to move the mountain?

Because you know full well that no amount of faith will move a mustard seed, let alone a mountain. You know it, but you are terrified of saying it, even to yourself!

Believe me, I thought it was fake from the age of 12 or so, but I was afraid to say anything! All these adults who took care of me, who taught me the things I needed to grow up, were telling me that christianity was real! I must be missing something, I thought! Everyone I knew was a christian. Everyone I knew attended church on a regular basis!

It took me until I read the entire bible to finally admit that I did not believe. There is no way that a god would save Ham knowing what he would do. There is no way that god would put the forbidden tree and the serpent in the garden with adam and eve, knowing full well that they would fail. There is no way god would save Lot, knowing that he would get drunk and impregnate his own daughters. There is no way that a god would require animal sacrifices. There is no way that god would force a woman to marry her rapist.

If that is what you believe, fine! I joined the Army to ensure our rights were not taken away from us. Just stop trying to put your religion in our public schools and government.
Atheists are a myth! All based on lies and hate. No evidence atheists exist so they don't.
Fun Facts

Freeland, MI

#408646 Dec 11, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Factual history and reality.
Sure
Right here...
http://www.rosarychurch.net/consecration/just...
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408647 Dec 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but I don't let him in and leave him sitting on the couch while I go upstairs, close the door and flip on the Vikings game.
Don't you?

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