Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Pad

Rockford, IL

#408561 Dec 11, 2012
JLDWolfe wrote:
Arguing with a Christian is like playing chess with a chicken. No matter how good one is at chess, the chicken will simply knock all the pieces over, crap on the board, and strut around like it won.
This entire conversation is a bunch of chickens clucking over a fairy tail.
I know that pisses you off, so FORGIVE me ;)
And what is your revolver for? To shoot the chickens?

I personally consider much of this posting to be questionable as to how God perceives such.But human beings have a free will and can debate at length about anything.Your atheistic world is full of debate,and if the truth be known the intollerance amongst atheists is much more rabid than anywhere else.

Christians along with Jews and Muslims as well have known what life is like under Atheism in Communist countries.The chance for decent debate was but for a forthnight as it were,and than if you did not agree with the Atheists,you found yourself being re-educated by them in labor camps and concentration camps,where many believers died,never given a chance as it were to debate sensibly with an atheist.

Sorry but we do not relish the thought of being under a Communist or Atheistic regime.So much for debate!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#408562 Dec 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
How does one receive Jesus into our hearts?

Considering this is a metaphor - "receive Jesus in your life" - therefore no one can "receive Jesus into your heart".

Physically impossible. This is spiritual symbolism.

"Heart" = "love"
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it mental?

Yes it is - one must think upon Jesus, in order to bring him into ouor lives. Action done by Self.
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Is is physical?

No, unless you account for the "actions" taken by Self to achieve the acceptance.
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Do we actually do something? Please tell me.
Yes you do - no religion is required.

By George, I think you've got it!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#408563 Dec 11, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Christ is God,yet does He ever say in the New Testament that He is G o d?Christ is part of the GODHEAD,but does Jesus ever say emphatically that He is God the Son,that there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
The Bible was writened by Jews save Luke. The letters and scrolls were preserved by the first century church,and that care passed on to Christians in the following centuries,should everyone get excited that those people called themselves Catholics? You must realize that the persecutions of the first three centuries caused a powerful devotion to the Word of God,and that was passed from generation to generation.Whether the Bible was in fragments or in scrolls and letters,it was all sacred to the believers,and God placed in the hearts and minds of His people to preserve,protect and so on.
God knew that His word would be protected in monasteries,does that shock anyone?If it does,they should realize again that communities were always formed in Christianity,many ascetic,and the devotion and passion for the Words of Christ and the Apostles was nothing life we see today.
For starters the greatest and only true interpreter of the Holy Word is the Holy Spirit.Because of Him we are all united in what Jesus taught,lived,suffered,died,and was buried,but rose again and sits at the right hand of His Father in glory. How much more can HE be to us than our God,a Victor of the vast domain,the KING of kings,Lord of Lords.Each and every believer can know Him personally and individually.
What explanation is there needed when we ponder on the Word,read the Epistles,Paul and Peter,also John explain much and point us to the Living Christ,to love,teach,serve and be used of God,NOT to sin or live a life enslaved by sin.James the bishop of Jerusalem explains with a Jewish insight the fulfillment of the Law in Christ. WE have yet to know the full extent,as only we all see in part Clay.
The Bible is not a Book of contention for us as believers,it should only be that Book that confirms our faith,and helps us to direct our vision to that of Christ.The whole matter of the Word being spiritually discerned opens up a treasure chest of spiritual truth that can be confirmed by the Spirit.
In all the Scriptures we see the witness of the Spirit,the Word and the Blood.Even in the old covenant.I contend that the Scripture is not subservient to our will,for it represents literally Christ!
Pad - being a typical "Christian" has its shortcomings when trying to skirt the situation, and you've shown that you are more than happy to express it as well.

First off, you started off with these questions:
"Christ is God,yet does He ever say in the New Testament that He is G o d?Christ is part of the GODHEAD,but does Jesus ever say emphatically that He is God the Son,that there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?"

...and then you didn't even answer them in your post.

Most "true Christians" will acknowledge that Jesus neve called himself "God".

Only "fake Christians" will through out the fallacy he was, and like you, never actually come out to say that he never did call himself "God".

Since he didn't, why do you feel the need to change the story -like others - and claim he did?

He never did, and neither should you.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408564 Dec 11, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone has an opinion, and no ones opinion trumps anyone elses.
There will never be intolerance of religious beliefs as long as one says "MY GOD IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD" or "GOD LOVES ME MORE THAN HE LOVES YOU BECAUSE I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE NOT" or "IN ORDER FOR ANYONE TO BE SAVE YOU MUST BELIEVE IN MY JESUS"
Organized religion one day will be our downfall, and that day is coming sooner than later.
Michael

Sorry.

Most all you wrote is just opinion....
It is not supported by facts.
It is not reasoned.
Worthless....
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408565 Dec 11, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>even anthony and hank have told you that it didnt mean that I was asking God to send him to hell.
mankind does that themselves with their lifestyle.
you needed proof to verify what I was saying about graham, I provided it, if you dont like it, that is your problem(as if you dont have enough)NOT MINE.
YOU accuse and attack everyone one this thread and tell them how spiritual and how smart you are while you attack. I am holding you to the same standard. SHOW your statement and tell us WHAT DID IT MEAN. You are a LIAR. You even responded to me in a post that I was smarter than another poster because I understood what you said. NOW you try to crawfish out of YOUR statement. I repeat. YOU ARE A LIAR. Tell us what your statement DID mean and prove me wrong. BUT you can not.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408566 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
One, I haven't tried to suppress your opinions or your beliefs. Yes, you must show me where I have tried to do so. A wee bit paranoid, are ya?
What new evidence was giving that I was stubbornly unreceptive to? What new evidence do you have?
TBS

Ah..., your just saying that to make me feel good....Aren't you?

No. I am not going to get sucker punched, and think you are serious about evidence....lol. Nice try.

But I thank you for time to reflect. And maybe that would prove helpful to you. Rather than ranting and raving, throwing wild punches with scripture( in which you don't know the context of covenant or dispensation), you might consider thinking and reflecting on it to a more positive end....
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408567 Dec 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
How does one receive Jesus into our hearts? Is it mental? Is is physical? Do we actually do something? Please tell me.
You are obviously not looking for answers Anthony. You are merely looking to make a point. So make your point and quit playing silly games.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408568 Dec 11, 2012
Tell us PERCY.Do you believe that anyone on this thread ( besdes you of coarse) is christian?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408569 Dec 11, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
I lost it at the Adam and Eve story.
EVERYONE in our world is penalized because two imperfect beings "WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE" made a mistake as the story goes, and were not given a chance for redemption.
Its all about Control by instilling FEAR, and power and money, and all religions have or do that.
I was raised a catholic and left about 14 years ago, like so many other ex-catholics on this forum. Its loaded!
Why would any God worth his salt, create a world of people over tens of thousands of years, with different beliefs, fighting each other all claimng righteousness.
If there is a God and this is an experiment. FAILURE!
makes no common sense..........
Michael

Its called the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil....

It has something to do with free will....

I guess you don't want one....

Knowledge is not free will.

Experiment failed.
preston

Waverly, OH

#408570 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>YOU accuse and attack everyone one this thread and tell them how spiritual and how smart you are while you attack. I am holding you to the same standard. SHOW your statement and tell us WHAT DID IT MEAN. You are a LIAR. You even responded to me in a post that I was smarter than another poster because I understood what you said. NOW you try to crawfish out of YOUR statement. I repeat. YOU ARE A LIAR. Tell us what your statement DID mean and prove me wrong. BUT you can not.
I made the statement, now you tell me how I lied and what in the world did I lie about.LOL.

I dont remember saying that you are smarter than anyone on this forum, if I did, the list would be very small with only two names marge and LTM, maybe one more ,but I would have to think a long time to find another person dumber than you are.
preston

Waverly, OH

#408572 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
Tell us PERCY.Do you believe that anyone on this thread ( besdes you of coarse) is christian?
your accusations alone are a good indicator that you know nothing about Christ and His love.

so again, what did I lie about?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#408573 Dec 11, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I made the statement, now you tell me how I lied and what in the world did I lie about.LOL.
I dont remember saying that you are smarter than anyone on this forum, if I did, the list would be very small with only two names marge and LTM, maybe one more ,but I would have to think a long time to find another person dumber than you are.
Got a mirror?
preston

Waverly, OH

#408574 Dec 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
Tell us PERCY.Do you believe that anyone on this thread ( besdes you of coarse) is christian?
my name is Preston, in the future address me as such or keep your mouth shut. simple?

if you want to make fun of my name, you will get no response from me.

and I just remembered, you were going to stop posting to me some weeks ago.

THAT MAKES YOU A LIAR.lol.
preston

Waverly, OH

#408575 Dec 11, 2012
some people like 4bdn and the sda cultist need to growup. they bring nothing of any value to this forum, and are not worth talking to.so I shall place them in the "ignore" mode

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408576 Dec 11, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert says......
...Yes....Moral people have sense of justice, and can act upon it. And
you an immoral, or amoral person has no sense of justice. That is why you would not defend a defenseless person, even your own children.
Michael says......A load of crap!
Maybe you should start with! notifying all the catholic bishops around the world how angry you are at them, who LIED, DECEIVED, and COVERED up the worst sins of all, protecting other clergy who taught you Robert to never commit such sins as they did.
..Where was their sense of justice and morality? Protecting the sanctity of the church and not OUR CHILDREN. Very sad!
UNBELIEVABLE!
Michael

Child abuse is a major offense.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#408577 Dec 11, 2012
really?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408578 Dec 11, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
ROBERT F. says....
....Of course the U.S. was never a Christian theocracy.
MICHAEL says......
Its good to know you are happy that america isn't a Christian theocracy, even though the belief itself is.
The greatest threats that we have had have been ones within your very church. The ones who have lurked for centuries, in almost every diocese, robbing young children of their innocense, as the their superiors stoodbye looking the other way, denying and lieing, as ones like you said NOTHING! or very little at all.
In this battle, the enemy has already come and gone.....
Very sad!
Michael

I am sorry if your forefathers said NOTHING, or very little at all....

But try and forgive them, it might be a source of healing for you.
Clay

United States

#408579 Dec 11, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Christ is God,yet does He ever say in the New Testament that He is G o d?Christ is part of the GODHEAD,but does Jesus ever say emphatically that He is God the Son,that there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
The Bible was writened by Jews save Luke. The letters and scrolls were preserved by the first century church,and that care passed on to Christians in the following centuries,should everyone get excited that those people called themselves Catholics? You must realize that the persecutions of the first three centuries caused a powerful devotion to the Word of God,and that was passed from generation to generation.Whether the Bible was in fragments or in scrolls and letters,it was all sacred to the believers,and God placed in the hearts and minds of His people to preserve,protect and so on.
God knew that His word would be protected in monasteries,does that shock anyone?If it does,they should realize again that communities were always formed in Christianity,many ascetic,and the devotion and passion for the Words of Christ and the Apostles was nothing life we see today.
For starters the greatest and only true interpreter of the Holy Word is the Holy Spirit.Because of Him we are all united in what Jesus taught,lived,suffered,died,and was buried,but rose again and sits at the right hand of His Father in glory. How much more can HE be to us than our God,a Victor of the vast domain,the KING of kings,Lord of Lords.Each and every believer can know Him personally and individually.
What explanation is there needed when we ponder on the Word,read the Epistles,Paul and Peter,also John explain much and point us to the Living Christ,to love,teach,serve and be used of God,NOT to sin or live a life enslaved by sin.James the bishop of Jerusalem explains with a Jewish insight the fulfillment of the Law in Christ. WE have yet to know the full extent,as only we all see in part Clay.
The Bible is not a Book of contention for us as believers,it should only be that Book that confirms our faith,and helps us to direct our vision to that of Christ.The whole matter of the Word being spiritually discerned opens up a treasure chest of spiritual truth that can be confirmed by the Spirit.
In all the Scriptures we see the witness of the Spirit,the Word and the Blood.Even in the old covenant.I contend that the Scripture is not subservient to our will,for it represents literally Christ!
Many people feel good and are inspired by other things too. The movie Forest Gump moved me, but it ain't scripture.

You say scripture is the only thing Christ established for His Church.

Which brings to the next obvious question: which one of you 40,000 should be considered the authority. Who has the correct deposit of faith and why?
And what about those poor souls prior to the 15th century who didn't have the Bible because it was not yet printed?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#408580 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
So, my service to my country was meaningless?
TBS

Did I say anything about your "service"?
No

Did I even know you were in the "service"?
No.

Perhaps you are not sure yourself if your "service" to your country was meaningless? And this is a bit rhetorical....So I will share with you...,

A lot of us that have been in the service, search our souls for meaning. Especially if we have been in war. I know many that never find peace....It took years for me to recover. It has not been the easiest road, but a better one....
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#408581 Dec 11, 2012
The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible

By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God.(Read Mark 7:7-13; Colossians 2:8; Revelation 22:18).

Thus, we must pray for our RCC friends.

Amen

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