Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

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Dec 7, 2012
 
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If Jesus is telling you (in spirit) that all other Christians before us got it all wrong, then Jesus Christ is a fraud. He never was God. He never guided the Apostles and their Disciples to truth. He left some hidden puzzle for future New Agers to uncover!
To me, that belongs in a Dan Brown novel...not reality in Jesus Christ and who He is.
Or you can believe in stories from about 1900 years ago that were written by unknown authors,(the earliest manuscripts in human hands are the Codex Vaticanus and Siniaticus, which are only 1500 years old) and by those men who had the first issues scribed.

Or you can believe that the Jesus story is another take on a previous more ancient story of symbolism.

Or you can believe that the Jesus story is like many other cultures and their "redeemed-redeemer".

Or you can be Catholic, and think you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Who really is the one being dishonest about their arrogance?
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Dec 7, 2012
 
yes.my middle son explain that to me..
''teaching''
Exactly as you say.

What a about me?

No deference definition ''family'' or you are Orthodox Catholic or any Christians Muslim Hindu Buddhist..even animals birds fish as well branch of family flora fauna tree..everything have characteristic as well way of living.

Spirit life as well creation is created with reason.

Did we are some?..no.

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Hey Herm, glad you're back on board.
I'm more intrigued by the Orthodox faith everyday. I think we had yrs of stereotypes separating us. But that's another Topix thread...
Don't mind Bob, he doesn't represent Catholics very well. The act he's got is unnecessary.
Thanks, Clay.Bob is fun for me. I dont take that seriously.Being here, have learned enough re the Catholic Church to counter any stereotypes an rthodox may have. I also learned how much we stand together on the most important doctrines. I guess that's a start.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
What you can see within me?

What you can see within flower or tree seeds..
So simple..many things within..patterns code deference formula..colors and much more.

People can speak just like that without any explanation where you see just outside
when you declare not worthy..but what you can't see is worthy it is in hide as well secret.

Yes we are deference..yes we don't liked many things from each other..some as well spiritually.
We not looking some or thinking some.

Did you find meaning 0003?
If you do as pro-cent in art..how you will make complete picture with sense that you can see even on map globally.
''two heart''..no think as love..but as symbol as zavit as convent.
''dva sveta srca primite moje srce i ucinite ga svojim pomocnikom a zove se ''zivot i ljubav'' ponizenih i odbacenih.Amen''

Why God find ''life=zivot i ljubav''..where he take that which others simple spit and reject?

How they going be better from some source of life where beginning start?
Clay

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Or you can believe in stories from about 1900 years ago that were written by unknown authors,(the earliest manuscripts in human hands are the Codex Vaticanus and Siniaticus, which are only 1500 years old) and by those men who had the first issues scribed.
Or you can believe that the Jesus story is another take on a previous more ancient story of symbolism.
Or you can believe that the Jesus story is like many other cultures and their "redeemed-redeemer".
Or you can be Catholic, and think you are right and everyone else is wrong.
Who really is the one being dishonest about their arrogance?
I'm well aware of all the scenarios out there. It could be this way. It could be that way..
But with Jesus Christ, it can only be one way.
He started a Church. Which is it? He installed a leader (a Pope) what's his name?

NASL,
You mistake the graces you get from Gods love, as the green light to subscribe to a new brand of Christianity. But all Christ is doing is calling you to His Church.
I just drove by a brand new 'store front' church. Another upstart non-catholic church. It looks like a Hispanic congregation. Anyway, I saw a guy, his pregnant wife and toddler aged child walking to their car. Its 930 at night, and I thought it was the most beautiful thing in the world. Those folks are doing the only thing they know. They're worshiping God with the only resources they got (the bible). They trust in their pastor that his interpretations are correct and will lead them to truth. If their Pastor is unaware of the actual truth- then God Bless him for doing the best he can.
But if he knows he's manipulating, deceiving and exaggerating certain things...then God help him, he is in dire straights upon death.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
No deference between Orthodox or Catholic as Christian family..not at all.
Where is deference= ability as spiritual life..we are not some level as you watching.
Entire people meaning of Orthodox or Catholic..its within each person growing within themself.
As Christian in both case they except way of living as Jesus want from them to be.
But we live where many organizations exist which don't liked see just like that.
truth

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Dec 7, 2012
 
oh so horrible clay..Are you going me put in last chair sit in church every day..
noooooooooo clay..not your way looking..why should be.

Spirit is alive force where you can't hide nothing at all..you can be lazy and crazy..depend where you live as well with who and how liked you destroy or except.
Nothing new on this world..no.
Now my mind is still pure even if you become reckless..
Oh..active force is alive Spirit..why we need close self within buildings or sit in last chair.
''Holy Spirit is alive force''
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Dec 7, 2012
 
When Jesus walking trough Earth..please point finger where is that building..he spread word as gospel.
Walking between people talking too.

Now you liked from people as robotic innovation..we are not created like that..movement is some as alive active Spirit.

As Christians we need go out call people.

Buildings..yes as former arena of gladiators today for sport and music.
Prison and plastic life..is deference then connection with mother nature as movement healthy outside as well active movement as you see holy Spirit.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
Why is like that clay?
Real priest going before as mission who send them to be very active between people?

Who?

What they see?
How they act toward others?
How they teach?
Buildings is not necessary to except Jesus Christ teaching..no.

Hand..oh what hands can make as master mind product..did you complain there Clay is that good or not..depend of product where we as human can't control or don't understood words of destruction.

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Dec 7, 2012
 
truth wrote:
No deference between Orthodox or Catholic as Christian family..not at all.
Where is deference= ability as spiritual life..we are not some level as you watching.
Entire people meaning of Orthodox or Catholic..its within each person growing within themself.
As Christian in both case they except way of living as Jesus want from them to be.
But we live where many organizations exist which don't liked see just like that.
YOU SAID THAT VERY WELL TRUTH
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Clay wrote:
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Hey Herm, glad you're back on board.
I'm more intrigued by the Orthodox faith everyday. I think we had yrs of stereotypes separating us. But that's another Topix thread...
Don't mind Bob, he doesn't represent Catholics very well. The act he's got is unnecessary.
Referring to the Ravenna document and the committee document, Metropolitan Zizioulas added:

We are still studying the first millennium, we have not reached a conclusion yet. But the main and most important thing we have discovered in the discussions is that what we decided in Ravenna seems to be confirmed by the history of the first millennium. In other words in the first millennium there was a recognition of the special role that the Bishop of Rome played in the Church. There was also the fact that the Bishop of Rome did not operate without consultation with other bishops in his own area as well as universal. So we are discovering that in history and this is an important aspect.
Metropolitan Hilarion, on the other hand, expressed displeasure with the committee document because it “carries no clear assertion that the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome in the first millennium did not extend to the East,” in the words of the Russian news agency Interfax.

Even though Eastern church leaders would turn to the Pope as an arbiter in theological disputes during the first millennium, said Metropolitan Hilarion, this fact “cannot in any way suggest that the Bishop of Rome was seen in the East as the possessor of supreme authority over the universal Church.”

Referring to tensions with the Russian Orthodox over the committee document, Metropolitan Zizioulas said,“The Church of Russia was absent from Ravenna for reasons that had nothing to do with our dialogue.[They] didn’t leave Ravenna because of the dialogue. What we decided in Ravenna was already prepared by previous meetings in which the Russian Church participated also. Therefore essentially there is no problem … On the whole the basic ideas of Ravenna are accepted by all the Orthodox churches.”

The international commission will meet in two years to discuss the committee document again. The commission will also discuss papal primacy from a theological point of view. In the meantime, both Archbishop Koch and Metropolitan Zizioulas outlined what they see as the steps ahead.

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Really?? did she use it for colds and flu's
baked onions sounds like something I would eat.
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Yes, she used them for chest congestion. Wrapped them in some cloth and put it under the shirt.

Sounds yummy.

KayMarie

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One would think! Several times in the bible, god made it clear to some very small group, that he existed. Never to a large group and never caught on film. Why?
Why will he not restore a limb?
Christians claim that god will not be tempted, yet many times, in the bible and in other non verifiable places, god did or was tempted and did show himself. Just never where we could verify it.
Urban legends are the same way,yet their are not willing to see it.

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A few years ago a group from Tennessee went to Bulgaria on a mission trip.
Most of them were college students. One of them video taped portions of the trip. In one church service a group of them prayed for a blind lady...and she was healed.

Later viewing the tape, they saw the group gathered around the blind lady as they were praying for her. But there was something in the picture that was astounding. Standing in back of the group was a man in a white robe. The interesting part was that He was larger than all of the people there...and no one had seen Him in the church. I saw the video, and had no problem knowing who He was.

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Sin as Spiritual Sickness

“And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”- Mk. 2:16-17

Obviously Jesus Christ is not talking about physical illness when he mentions a “physician” and people being “sick,” but rather, when he speaks of “they that are sick” he is speaking of “sinners”. Matt. 9:11-13 and Lk. 5:30-32 echo this passage in Mark.

Another passage that seems to express the Orthodox view is found in the Psalms:“I said, Lord, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.”(Ps. 41:4)

Here are some other passages to consider…
“Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward. Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.“- Is. 1:4-5

“For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. For thus saith the Lord, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.”- Jer. 30:11-12 (cf Mic. 1:9)
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Question: "Should we give gifts at Christmas?"

Answer: Many people take the idea of gift giving at Christmas back to the scripture in Matthew 2:10-11 which talks about the Magi (wise men) giving gifts to Jesus at his home: "When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh."

The Bible gives a wonderful story about the gift God gave us—Jesus Christ—and we can use it as an opportunity to present the gospel and to show love. Giving and receiving gifts can be part of fulfilling what Paul says about giving in 2 Corinthians 8:7-8, "But just as you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in your love for us—see that you also excel in this grace of giving. I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others." Paul was talking to the churches who were giving him gifts (financial) so that he could keep on in the ministry. We can apply this same lesson to our own lives by giving to others, not just at Christmas, but year round!

So, can gift giving become the focus of Christmas instead of thanking the Lord for the gift of His Son (John 3:16)? Absolutely! Does giving gifts have to take away from the true meaning of Christmas? No, it does not. If we focus on the wonderful gift of salvation the Lord has given us (Isaiah 9:6), giving to others is a natural expression of that gratitude. The key is our focus. Is your focus on the gift, or on the ultimate gift-giver, our gracious Heavenly Father? "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights..." (James 1:17).
QOTW

Oh yeah with the economy the way it is if anyone wants to send me a gift for Christmas or my Birthday of Gold or Silver contact me and we will set up UPS account or something and I will go pick it up they don't even have to deliver it ........lol

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confrinting with the word wrote:
A few years ago a group from Tennessee went to Bulgaria on a mission trip.
Most of them were college students. One of them video taped portions of the trip. In one church service a group of them prayed for a blind lady...and she was healed.
Later viewing the tape, they saw the group gathered around the blind lady as they were praying for her. But there was something in the picture that was astounding. Standing in back of the group was a man in a white robe. The interesting part was that He was larger than all of the people there...and no one had seen Him in the church. I saw the video, and had no problem knowing who He was.
KayMarie
Where is this video?

Much like UFO's, never NY City. Nope. A tiny little village in Bulgaria. Nice and safe... and unverifiable.
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If the "shoe fits"-----wear it!!
BUSTED, and DOUBLE BUSTED!!
Let's just call him Cinderella how about it.

P.S. Do they make slippers for Parrot's ?

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No New Testament writer quoted from any of the apocrypha books as scripture or gave them the slightest authority as inspired books. Jesus and the disciples virtually ignored these books, something that would not have been the case if they considered them to be inspired. By contrast, there are many quotations by Jesus and the apostles from the cannonical books of the Old Testament. A good example of this is the gospel of Mathew, which contains about 130 Old Testament citations and allusions. What do you suppose the significance of this is?
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Dec 7, 2012
 
Active evil force ..its attackers where they don't liked explain how who where when and why?

AS well master mind who prepare everything on front as well act as accuser..as well judge.

Do you liked garlic i wish put front of my door 100 kg every day..unwanted guest spirit will fly away..yep..i see 10 years ago everything..now its good be crazy as well lazy.
But free with full of courage ..very nice clean master mind can make many honest and pure do as product as well precious beneficiary but some as destruction.

Your justice is not my justice.

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<quoted text>ONLY IF YOU ARE CAREFUL WHEN YOU SCRATCH YOUR BACKSIDE FOR FEAR OF A BRAIN HEMORRTAGE
09Dec12.....

.....Wow!!!

Now, dat's originality 'semenKnoticSmuts'...

Ps:....How's dis??

..When GOD rested on a Sabbath, he schidt down into your skull. HE still allowed you to blink, but you were NOT able to wipe yer arseHole...

....by da vey, why don'tCha pull down dat condom dat's been hanging out of yer hole for some 6 weeks now. Your stink permeates the Topic and BobLoblah can smell ya haul da vey ovva here.

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