Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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It is said that the Bible teaches celibacy. They especially use Paul's defense of his 'going about without a wife'.(He may have had one that did not travel with him.)

At any rate...THIS is what he really taught:

I Tim. 1:2 A bishop then must be BLAMELESS, THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Verse 4 One that ruleth well his own house (priest has no house/family), having HIS CHILDREN in subjection... The priest has no children/family with which to learn/teach)

Verse 5 For if a man know not how to rule HIS OWN HOUSE, how shall he TAKE CARE OF THE CHURCH OF GOD?

Likewise the deacons must be proved before exercising that office...being found BLAMELESS.

Verse 11 Even so must their wives (deacons wives) be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

Verse 12 Let the deacons be the husband of ONE WIFE, ruling THEIR CHILDREN and their OWN HOUSES WELL.

He offers this teaching also to Titus in chapter one, verses 5-9.

KayMarie
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<quoted text>No, Anthony, that is not the way it works. It is like this. I ask you a question, then you answer said question. You don't ignor it and ask another question. You can do it. It just seems to be very difficult for you. Try again.
Ok. You seem to think you're the debate moderator, so I will do my best.

"'How many of your sins did Jesus die for?"

All of them.

"How many did He take upon Himself and carry to the cross."

All of them.

"Was Jesus payment enough?"

Yes.

"Is there more to be paid?"

No, not by Him.

"Can we in any way add to the sacrificial payment that Jesus made?"
" And what did Jesus mean when He stated that "IT IS FINISHED?"

Very good article here by Jimmy Akin, a convert to Catholicism from protestant evangelical fundamentalism. Please take the time to read it (I hope you don't stop at the first paragraph like you usually do, as that would tend to enforce my suspicion that you're not really looking for a sincere debate):

http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/how2purg....

Now, if you would do me the honor of answering MY question;

Are all of your future sins already forgiven by Christ if you choose not to repent of them?
LTM

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<quoted text>sorry for the late reply,been sick,first no such thing as jesus christs one true catholic church,there is no such thing as apostolic succession,jesus is not catholic,he's not even religious,man made him religious,all he did was spread his fathers word,and created a spiritual church,man created the physical churches that we have,none have anything to do with jesus really,except they use his and his fathers words for profit.the church is alive now but won't be for long,people will not forgive them for the cover up of the child molesting that has been going on for 2000 yrs. how could you,it's the most dispicable crime you can commit against a defenseless child,murder is the other,and that is what they did,they killed these poor children phsycologically,i have seen first hand what damage child molesting does to them,did they care? no, they let it go on,the pope writes a letter of apology,big deal,what he and the vatican council should be doing is coming forward and telling the whole truth,but they won't,that is why benny is pope,to make sure he keeps quiet hiding behind diplomatic immunity,don't know if you read newspapers or t.v. news but muslims are upset with the church,they are blowing them up in northern africa,do you see god stopping them? i don't,maybe that is what he wants,destroy the church for 2000 yrs of atrocities,phony traditions,murders and so on. there is no way the catholic church is gods/jesus' true church,it's to corrupt....like to say more but can't gotta go to work,will continue later. have a good day.
Hi Jethro sorry to hear you were ill, hope you are ok now.
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It is said that the Bible teaches celibacy. They especially use Paul's defense of his 'going about without a wife'.(He may have had one that did not travel with him.)
KayMarie
Celibacy is Church Practice, Not Dogma

Matt. 19:11-12 - Jesus says celibacy is a gift from God and whoever can bear it should bear it. Jesus praises and recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church. Because celibacy is a gift from God, those who criticize the Church's practice of celibacy are criticizing God and this wonderful gift He bestows on His chosen ones.

Matt. 19:29 - Jesus says that whoever gives up children for the sake of His name will receive a hundred times more and will inherit eternal life. Jesus praises celibacy when it is done for the sake of His kingdom.

Matt. 22:30 - Jesus explains that in heaven there are no marriages. To bring about Jesus' kingdom on earth, priests live the heavenly consecration to God by not taking a wife in marriage. This way, priests are able to focus exclusively on the spiritual family, and not have any additional pressures of the biological family (which is for the vocation of marriage). This also makes it easier for priests to be transferred to different parishes where they are most needed without having to worry about the impact of their transfer on wife and children.

1 Cor 7:1 – Paul teaches that it is well for a man not to touch a woman. This is the choice that the Catholic priests of the Roman rite freely make.

1 Cor. 7:7 - Paul also acknowledges that celibacy is a gift from God and wishes that all were celibate like he is.

1 Cor. 7:27 – Paul teaches men that they should not seek marriage. In Paul’s opinion, marriage introduces worldly temptations that can interfere with one’s relationship with God, specifically regarding those who will become full-time ministers in the Church.

1 Cor. 7:32-33, 38 - Paul recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church so that they are able to focus entirely upon God and building up His kingdom. He “who refrains from marriage will do better.”

1 Tim. 3:2 - Paul instructs that bishops must be married only once. Many Protestants use this verse to prove that the Church's celibacy law is in error. But they are mistaken because this verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry. The verse also refers to those bishops who were currently married. They also could not remarry (in the Catholic Church's Eastern rite, priests are allowed to marry; celibacy is only a disciplinary rule for the clergy of the Roman rite). Therefore, this text has nothing to do with imposing a marriage requirement on becoming a bishop.

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cont. to Kay

1 Tim. 4:3 - in this verse, Paul refers to deceitful doctrines that forbid marriage. Many non-Catholics also use this verse to impugn the Church's practice of celibacy. This is entirely misguided because the Catholic Church (unlike many Protestant churches) exalts marriage to a sacrament. In fact, marriage is elevated to a sacrament, but consecrated virginity is not. The Church declares marriage sacred, covenantal and lifegiving. Paul is referring to doctrines that forbid marriage and other goods when done outside the teaching of Christ and for a lessor good. Celibacy is an act of giving up one good (marriage and children) for a greater good (complete spiritual union with God).

1 Tim. 5:9-12 - Paul recommends that older widows take a pledge of celibacy. This was the beginning of women religious orders.

2 Tim. 2:3-4 - Paul instructs his bishop Timothy that no soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim his to satisfy the One who enlisted him. Paul is using an analogy to describe the role of the celibate priesthood in the Church.

Rev. 14:4 - unlike our sinful world of the flesh, in heaven, those consecrated to virginity are honored.

Isaiah 56:3-7 - the eunuchs who keep God's covenant will have a special place in the kingdom of heaven.

Jer. 16:1-4 - Jeremiah is told by God not to take a wife or have children.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_priestho...
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guest wrote:
Each cult leader will teach a Jesus that is not found in the Scriptures. Like Jim Jones, or Charles Manson, their version of "Jesus" was light-years from the true Jesus of the Bible. Do we see a different Jesus in the Roman Catholic church as well? Do they really preach the Jesus of the Bible in Rome?
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Do they preach Jesus as Savior when their Popes -
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Do they preach Jesus as their High priest when the Roman priests are drunks, smokers, & Sodomite child rapists?
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Do they preach Jesus peaceful while killing 500 million Christians during the dark ages?
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Do they preach Jesus as infallible while placing tradition over and above His Word?
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Do they preach Jesus’ death as sufficient when they teach of Purgatory instead of Salvation in Jesus?
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Do they preach Jesus’ cross sufficient when teaching you must individually suffer to be saved?
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Do they preach Jesus’ cross sufficient when selling Indulgences to escape Hellfire?
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Do they preach Jesus as the only mediator to the Father while going to Priest for forgiveness?
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Do they preach Jesus as Creator when the Pope said in 1996 and 1998 "Evolution is fact" making Jesus the Creator a liar?
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Do they preach Jesus as a wise steward of finances when they teach gambling is acceptable Christ-like activity at their church Carnivals, Casino nights, and Bingo halls?
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Do they preach Jesus as truthful when the Pope praises and embraces Buddhism, Wicca, and Islam as acceptable faiths in the ecumenical movement?
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Do they preach Jesus merciful when they preach that "Fellow believers" stoned Stephan on Roman Catholic Television?
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Do they preach Jesus 100% capable of protecting you when the Pope drives a bullet proof pope-mobile?
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Do they preach Jesus as all embracing Saviour when the Pope preaches you MUST be loyal to him to be saved?
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Do they preach Jesus as worthy of worship when you must bow down to the Pope and kiss his ring?
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Do they preach Jesus’ Word as worthy while killing half a billion for reading His Word?
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Do they preach Jesus’ adult baptism as an example when they baptize babies?
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Do they preach Jesus worthy of hearing when they put His Bible on the "forbidden book" list in the Council of Valencia in1229ad
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Do they preach Jesus’ commandments are holy when they "venerate" crosses, statues, images, and relics. And remove the second Commandment from their Catechism books?
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Do they preach Jesus’ Law regarding idols as truth when they preach you must worship a wafer as God?
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Do they preach Jesus is the only way to be saved when they preach a "scapular" will save you from the fires of Hell instead of Jesus?
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Do they preach Jesus’ Word is the only Truth when they put books in the Bible that Jesus nor the Apostles ever quoted from, and most theologians have found to be uninspired and contradictory?
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Do they preach Jesus was the only one without sin when they say Mary was "utterly without sin" as well?
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Do they preach Jesus the only source of Truth by calling the Pope infallible and Jesus fallible?
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Do they preach Jesus God, when the Pope himself states to all the world that "He is god"?
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Do they preach Jesus will save you when the Pope proclaims that the "church" is a must for salvation?
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Do they preach Jesus as merciful and kind when they slowly torture hundreds of millions of His followers to death?
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Do they preach Jesus as tolerant and hopeful when they destroy entire countries for political gain?
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Do they preach Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath when they put it in writing that they abolish His Sabbath altogether and force others to comply?
OUR BIBLE SAYS...
1 John 4:3, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Amen "guest" Amen :)

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Can I ask you a philosophical question? Please answer as truthfully as possible.
I think everyone on here should put themselves in Christ shoes for a second...
Would you leave a collection of books that would be the sole revelation of your ministry? A set of misc letters from one of your Apostles etc?
Or would you set up a hierarchy; a Magestrium that you will continue to guide in Spirit to truth. And have one leader to trust in your day to day operations?
Anyone of us who knows anything about organization and business would agree, you would not leave a set of loosely collected writings for your employees to figure out themselves what your will is.
And of course, we know how the Bible was compiled. It was done so BY THE HIERARCHY that Christ established.
John 14:16
Jesus says "I will ask the Father and He will give you another advocate, who will never leave you"
This ensures us that the Church is protected from error because Christ says this advocate - the Holy Spirit will never leave them.
Some think this verse applies to the individual interpreter of sacred scripture. Well, that is to bizarre to even consider. We don't need anymore evidence of what that thinking has done.
Only one Church can trace themselves to Christ. If He promised to be with them until the end... And have them an advocate that will never leave them...then what's the problem?
Are you going to say this Church suddenly went awol around Constantines reign?
Then you are saying Christ was lying about staying with them.
Please explain.

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Clay...were it me...I would leave in writing MY WORDS...so that one could see/know exactly what I wished them to know. I would not leave such an important matter to men who may distort them.

This would assure me that IF ANYONE distorted my words, honest people could read THEM and see what "I" had to say. If I could then leave my spirit to guide the readers, I could be confident that 'those who had my spirit' would understand my words with his help. And I would know that those who distorted my words obviously did not have my spirit.

Is the Bible distorted? Has it been mis-interpreted? You think that GOD can't do better than that? The Bible has stood for centuries. It has brought peace, redemption, healing, prosperity (and everything else we need), and remains the best selling book ever. EVEN IF THERE WERE NO GOD, that Book is the greatest material ever given to man. But of course, we KNOW that GOD IS, and HIS WORD LIVES FOREVER.

The Bible is our anchor. The Holy Spirit does abide with us forever. But there are evil spirits that would whisper doubt and fear, etc. to us. When this occurs the Holy Spirit WILL BRING TO OUR REMEMBRANCE those things that Jesus taught...and the Holy Spirit WILL AGREE with "IT IS WRITTEN".

No man can minister to us with such power. "I am not ashamed of the gospel, for IT is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation.

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Sherlayne wrote:
guest, I typed a lot but I think it got lost. Your post was incredible and displayed great intelligence. I've always wondered WHY we're taught to offer our sufferings to God - couldn't one infer that Jesus' sacrifice was insufficient? And there are too many "middlemen" and one "middlewoman" that we don't need, as we're supposed to go directly to God. Jesus made that loud and clear, didn't He?
Anyway, your writing was terrific and thanks for taking all that time with invaluable info that can raise our awareness :) God bless.
Hi Sherlayne,
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I always enjoy reading your posts for the simple fact that you are consistently the most kind person on this board.
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I was doing research on the 'net and stumbled upon all this and realized I could not say it any better than the original author and so I copied and pasted the entire lot. I am not sure if the material is copyrighted or not, but I have to believe that the owner of the material really would not mind that I have copied and pasted their work - given the nature of the material and the exposure of the Cult that is Catholicism. I copied and pasted because I KNOW for certainty that the Catholics on this board would not click on a link. They are AFRAID of the TRUTH. The truth would set them free from all the Catholic lies, and I suppose they don't want to be set free.
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There is nothing worse on this planet than a church that will order the torture and murder of "heretics" and this is what the Catholic church has done. For centuries.
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They got away with it because they hid the Bible - THE VERY WORD OF GOD - from the people, and forbade anyone but clergy to read it.
The Bible was not available to the common people for CENTURIES giving this church - this AGGRESSIVE Catholic church - a foothold and for lack of a better word, MONOPOLY on "Christianity" ... or at least what the Catholic hierarchy called Christianity. But what they have - through the centuries - called Christianity in no way, shape or form resembles first century Christianity.
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They are "Christians" in name only. They seem to forget that they are, indeed, known by their works - and their works throughout the centuries have been less than stellar, to say the least.
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Christ would NEVER order the the torture and murder of heretics as the pope did:
from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
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"Torture was previously forbidden by canon law but in 1252 Pope Innocent IV sanctioned the use of torture and also granted dispensation for the inquisitors to be present during its application."
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The Pope sanctioned torture, with THE INQUISITORS (Catholic Clergy) being present ... right there ... in the torture chambers.
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Can you imagine?
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Sure, Catholics are quick to say that it was the SECULAR authorities who administered the punishment; but unlike most governments today, there WAS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. They were one and the same in most cases. I will go so far as to say, those in positions of government were either put into those positions, or allowed to be in those positions by none other than the Catholic Church.

I have more to say, but for right now I need to attend to personal business.

I'll be back later.

Thanks for being here, Sherlayne.
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Orville wrote:
I am a sinner;
Discipleship and the Christian Life;
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.
Full context: I Peter 3:8
Romans 15:1,2 “We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.”
Romans 15:3 “For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.”
....and I hate sin. Yet I drink from the cup of sin. And I do so knowingly. A dark and unquenchable thirst. Perhaps I am abusive of Holy Gods mercies. Abusive of Holy Gods love. Because I know these qualities exist with our Holy God Jesus. They are permanent. Even when aware of the consequences of sin, I sin.
I look forward to leaving this life, this body of decay. My only hope of never desiring sin again is my physical death. My escape from sin is my sole hope of eternity. My entire purpose is to be complete with God-Jesus . To never sin again.
Hi Orville how are you doing dear brother.
Are you feeling well.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
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HAVING BROACHED THIS ABOVE SUBJECT BEFORE...
ON..... THE ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST...
CONCERNING...
ONE THAT IS A PART OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC
CHURCH...
EACH TIME I HAVE BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP...
THE SILENCE HAS BEEN DEAFENING ...
Question...
IF THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH....
WHY DO YO ROMAN CATHOLICS .... GO TO SUCH LENGTH TO DEFEND A RELIGION THAT IS A DEAD END STREET?
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A real BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN ...-->.has this promise...
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
-->NOTE JESUS WAS LIFTED UP ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY<--
Joh 3:15 ==>That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.<==
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,==> that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. <==
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Col_3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved,
-->now are we the sons of God, and
it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear,
we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
question...
Are you Roman Catholics "NOW SON'S OF GOD?'
IF YOU ARE NOT...WHEN WILL YOU EVER BE?
ONLY SON'S ARE HEIRS TO THE KINGDOM..
Joh 1:10 He/JESUS was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He/JESUS came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him/JESUS, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born/BORN AGAIN, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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MY FIRST POST ..SOME SIX/SEVEN YEARS AGO..in this forum was

on the subject of...."sanctifying the Lord in your heart"

The definition of sanctify in GREEK...
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From G40; to make holy, that is,(ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:- hallow, be holy, sanctify.

THE SCRIPTURE VERSE WAS/IS

1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

SINCE THEN I HAVE ASK YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS

to give an answer .... a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

OVER ALL THEE YEARS no one has responded...with a positive answer..

WHY...IS THERE NO ANSWER...

PERSONALLY I HAVE CONCLUDED.... THAT YOU GIVE NO ANSWER....

.BECAUSE ...

you have no hope...
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Regarding Fatima -- Catholics are "not required" to believe it.

But how many are led to believe based on the actions of the RCC?

1... All of the Popes since the Fatima Miracle have recognized that the Message is authentic.

2... Several Popes have gone to Fatima in person, including Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II.

3... John Paul II said at Fatima in 1982 that "the Message of Fatima imposes an obligation on the Church."

OK, you are not "required" to believe, but if you reject belief in the so-called "Three Secrets," then you are saying that every Pope since 1917 is fundamentally wrong.

This system of "levels of belief" becomes absurd.

Jesus didn't make such a convoluted and confusing religion.

Jesus did not preach absurdity, except maybe not washing one's hands before a meal, and except dignifying slavery, and maybe a couple of more things -- but nothing so convoluted.
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HAVING BROACHED THIS ABOVE SUBJECT BEFORE...
ON..... THE ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST...
CONCERNING...
ONE THAT IS A PART OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC
CHURCH...
EACH TIME I HAVE BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP...
THE SILENCE HAS BEEN DEAFENING ...
Question...
IF THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH....
WHY DO YO ROMAN CATHOLICS .... GO TO SUCH LENGTH TO DEFEND A RELIGION THAT IS A DEAD END STREET?
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A real BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN ...-->.has this promise...
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
-->NOTE JESUS WAS LIFTED UP ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY<--
Joh 3:15 ==>That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.<==
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,==> that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. <==
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Col_3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved,
-->now are we the sons of God, and
it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear,
we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
question...
Are you Roman Catholics "NOW SON'S OF GOD?'
IF YOU ARE NOT...WHEN WILL YOU EVER BE?
ONLY SON'S ARE HEIRS TO THE KINGDOM..
Joh 1:10 He/JESUS was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He/JESUS came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him/JESUS, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born/BORN AGAIN, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
"IF THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH...."

Catholics believe and are taught that there is assurance of the promise of eternal life with Christ after death.

"WHY DO YO ROMAN CATHOLICS .... GO TO SUCH LENGTH TO DEFEND A RELIGION THAT IS A DEAD END STREET?"

You sir are a liar and bearer of false witness.
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Ok. You seem to think you're the debate moderator, so I will do my best.
"'How many of your sins did Jesus die for?"
All of them.
"How many did He take upon Himself and carry to the cross."
All of them.
"Was Jesus payment enough?"
Yes.
"Is there more to be paid?"
No, not by Him.
"Can we in any way add to the sacrificial payment that Jesus made?"
" And what did Jesus mean when He stated that "IT IS FINISHED?"
Very good article here by Jimmy Akin, a convert to Catholicism from protestant evangelical fundamentalism. Please take the time to read it (I hope you don't stop at the first paragraph like you usually do, as that would tend to enforce my suspicion that you're not really looking for a sincere debate):
http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/how2purg....
Now, if you would do me the honor of answering MY question;
Are all of your future sins already forgiven by Christ if you choose not to repent of them?
Your question is faulty because the Holy Spirit has already lead the person to repentance and they have received forgiveness, so now your saying the Holy Sprirt stopped working, it doesn't work that way. Hope that made sense.

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I like:
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
It shows that the bible was written by men to control other men. They didn't want fathers to get a virgin bride price for soiled goods.
TBS

I like it too....

In a sense for the same reason you do. That men are in control. That is what a man should do and be, in control. When he is not, then he goes about making and getting into trouble....

Pretty much all of Deuteronomy 22 talks about chastity, being "in control". And when people are not being responsible, back then(in a father's house in Israel) we would consider the sentences pretty harsh by today's society's standards. But also, our society now with its lax moral standards ends up murdering human beings in the womb as a result of irresponsibility....

I think it better to hold those responsible for their actions, than murdering human beings in the womb..., don't you?
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MY FIRST POST ..SOME SIX/SEVEN YEARS AGO..in this forum was
on the subject of...."sanctifying the Lord in your heart"
The definition of sanctify in GREEK...
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From G40; to make holy, that is,(ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:- hallow, be holy, sanctify.
THE SCRIPTURE VERSE WAS/IS
1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
SINCE THEN I HAVE ASK YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS
to give an answer .... a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
OVER ALL THEE YEARS no one has responded...with a positive answer..
WHY...IS THERE NO ANSWER...
PERSONALLY I HAVE CONCLUDED.... THAT YOU GIVE NO ANSWER....
.BECAUSE ...
you have no hope...
"Are you Roman Catholics "NOW SON'S OF GOD?'"

Catholic believe and are taught that we are indeed now son's of God.

...."sanctifying the Lord in your heart"

http://www.scborromeo.org/papers/earn.pdf#xml...
Loren Eberly

Centerburg, OH

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Tax Cuts:

President Obama and Congress allowing President Bush tax cuts to expire. Demands President Obama and Congress hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. Accountable to pay for every product and service they need life and pay Obama Care insurance premium with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

And pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

With money derived from the $7.25 per Government mandated labor wage, investment and independent business profit.

Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights.

Cannot pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt created defying USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

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Dec 6, 2012
 

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marge wrote:
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Your question is faulty because the Holy Spirit has already lead the person to repentance and they have received forgiveness, so now your saying the Holy Sprirt stopped working, it doesn't work that way. Hope that made sense.
No I'm not saying the Holy Spirit stopped wroking.

marge, have you ever repented for a sin or been sorry and made a concerted effort to stop repeating the same sin AFTER you "got saved"? Isn't that the Holy Spirit working in you?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

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Celibacy is Church Practice, Not Dogma

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This is used to 'explain' why the CC does one thing, but declares that it is not dogma. What it really says is that 'the thing may not be doctrine, but we do it our way, anyhow.'

That offends my intelligence. If it is wrong, it should not be done. If it is right, it should be required.

I Tim.3:3 Bishops must BE the husband of one wife.
I Tim.3:11 Deacons wives must BE...
I Tim.3:12 LET (allow) deacons to BE the husband of one wife...

What part of BE (present tense) do you not understand?

And where is there any mention of a widower?

Widows are not to remarry? That does not explain putting youthful...never married girls into a house next door to youthful unmarried men...and having them work together. It is a recipe for temptation/trouble.

KayMarie
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Saint Paul, MN

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Dec 6, 2012
 

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jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>sorry for the late reply,been sick,first no such thing as jesus christs one true catholic church,there is no such thing as apostolic succession,jesus is not catholic,he's not even religious,man made him religious,all he did was spread his fathers word,and created a spiritual church,man created the physical churches that we have,none have anything to do with jesus really,except they use his and his fathers words for profit.the church is alive now but won't be for long,people will not forgive them for the cover up of the child molesting that has been going on for 2000 yrs. how could you,it's the most dispicable crime you can commit against a defenseless child,murder is the other,and that is what they did,they killed these poor children phsycologically,i have seen first hand what damage child molesting does to them,did they care? no, they let it go on,the pope writes a letter of apology,big deal,what he and the vatican council should be doing is coming forward and telling the whole truth,but they won't,that is why benny is pope,to make sure he keeps quiet hiding behind diplomatic immunity,don't know if you read newspapers or t.v. news but muslims are upset with the church,they are blowing them up in northern africa,do you see god stopping them? i don't,maybe that is what he wants,destroy the church for 2000 yrs of atrocities,phony traditions,murders and so on. there is no way the catholic church is gods/jesus' true church,it's to corrupt....like to say more but can't gotta go to work,will continue later. have a good day.
Thanks, but you Jethro8 can "believe what you want"! I've listen to your anti-catholicism distortions of TRUE history and biblical truths, repeatedly!! I'll stick to the TRUTH of history and the bible with Jesus Christ at (Daily Mass, the Eucharist, the biblical readings, the Sacraments and the Adoration Prayer Chapel, in and through Our Lords One True Apostolic Catholic Church, which continues to grow (world-wide) each and every day. Hope your atheism, or agnosicism or "whatever -unbelief of the TRUTH--- that you "prefer to hold onto"---works out for you!!
Pad

Rockford, IL

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Crickback wrote:
guys. religions a matter of personal choice. if you choose to be in one then all the power to ya. but.. should you try and PUSH your religion on others like some think they have to. then theyre just making fools of themselves and what they believe in. one can have faith in ones religion WITHOUT BEATING YER FREAKIN CHEST ABOUT IT!
nuff said
This forum is far from a chest beating contest.There may be those who beat their chest,but soon they are just one of the crowd,and there is no one who is chief poster.sll are unique here,and have given their point of view with great precision at times.So good bye,and enjoy going to the next forum and giving them your two cents worth.

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