Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603254 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407278 Dec 6, 2012
who="Clay"
Can I ask you a philosophical question? Please answer as truthfully as possible.
I think everyone on here should put themselves in Christ shoes for a second...
Would you leave a collection of books that would be the sole revelation of your ministry? A set of misc letters from one of your Apostles etc?
Or would you set up a hierarchy; a Magestrium that you will continue to guide in Spirit to truth. And have one leader to trust in your day to day operations?
Anyone of us who knows anything about organization and business would agree, you would not leave a set of loosely collected writings for your employees to figure out themselves what your will is.
And of course, we know how the Bible was compiled. It was done so BY THE HIERARCHY that Christ established.
John 14:16
Jesus says "I will ask the Father and He will give you another advocate, who will never leave you"
This ensures us that the Church is protected from error because Christ says this advocate - the Holy Spirit will never leave them.
Some think this verse applies to the individual interpreter of sacred scripture. Well, that is to bizarre to even consider. We don't need anymore evidence of what that thinking has done.
Only one Church can trace themselves to Christ. If He promised to be with them until the end... And have them an advocate that will never leave them...then what's the problem?
Are you going to say this Church suddenly went awol around Constantines reign?
Then you are saying Christ was lying about staying with them.
Please explain.

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Clay...were it me...I would leave in writing MY WORDS...so that one could see/know exactly what I wished them to know. I would not leave such an important matter to men who may distort them.

This would assure me that IF ANYONE distorted my words, honest people could read THEM and see what "I" had to say. If I could then leave my spirit to guide the readers, I could be confident that 'those who had my spirit' would understand my words with his help. And I would know that those who distorted my words obviously did not have my spirit.

Is the Bible distorted? Has it been mis-interpreted? You think that GOD can't do better than that? The Bible has stood for centuries. It has brought peace, redemption, healing, prosperity (and everything else we need), and remains the best selling book ever. EVEN IF THERE WERE NO GOD, that Book is the greatest material ever given to man. But of course, we KNOW that GOD IS, and HIS WORD LIVES FOREVER.

The Bible is our anchor. The Holy Spirit does abide with us forever. But there are evil spirits that would whisper doubt and fear, etc. to us. When this occurs the Holy Spirit WILL BRING TO OUR REMEMBRANCE those things that Jesus taught...and the Holy Spirit WILL AGREE with "IT IS WRITTEN".

No man can minister to us with such power. "I am not ashamed of the gospel, for IT is the POWER OF GOD unto salvation.

KayMarie
guest

United States

#407279 Dec 6, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
guest, I typed a lot but I think it got lost. Your post was incredible and displayed great intelligence. I've always wondered WHY we're taught to offer our sufferings to God - couldn't one infer that Jesus' sacrifice was insufficient? And there are too many "middlemen" and one "middlewoman" that we don't need, as we're supposed to go directly to God. Jesus made that loud and clear, didn't He?
Anyway, your writing was terrific and thanks for taking all that time with invaluable info that can raise our awareness :) God bless.
Hi Sherlayne,
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I always enjoy reading your posts for the simple fact that you are consistently the most kind person on this board.
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I was doing research on the 'net and stumbled upon all this and realized I could not say it any better than the original author and so I copied and pasted the entire lot. I am not sure if the material is copyrighted or not, but I have to believe that the owner of the material really would not mind that I have copied and pasted their work - given the nature of the material and the exposure of the Cult that is Catholicism. I copied and pasted because I KNOW for certainty that the Catholics on this board would not click on a link. They are AFRAID of the TRUTH. The truth would set them free from all the Catholic lies, and I suppose they don't want to be set free.
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There is nothing worse on this planet than a church that will order the torture and murder of "heretics" and this is what the Catholic church has done. For centuries.
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They got away with it because they hid the Bible - THE VERY WORD OF GOD - from the people, and forbade anyone but clergy to read it.
The Bible was not available to the common people for CENTURIES giving this church - this AGGRESSIVE Catholic church - a foothold and for lack of a better word, MONOPOLY on "Christianity" ... or at least what the Catholic hierarchy called Christianity. But what they have - through the centuries - called Christianity in no way, shape or form resembles first century Christianity.
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They are "Christians" in name only. They seem to forget that they are, indeed, known by their works - and their works throughout the centuries have been less than stellar, to say the least.
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Christ would NEVER order the the torture and murder of heretics as the pope did:
from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
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"Torture was previously forbidden by canon law but in 1252 Pope Innocent IV sanctioned the use of torture and also granted dispensation for the inquisitors to be present during its application."
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The Pope sanctioned torture, with THE INQUISITORS (Catholic Clergy) being present ... right there ... in the torture chambers.
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Can you imagine?
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Sure, Catholics are quick to say that it was the SECULAR authorities who administered the punishment; but unlike most governments today, there WAS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. They were one and the same in most cases. I will go so far as to say, those in positions of government were either put into those positions, or allowed to be in those positions by none other than the Catholic Church.

I have more to say, but for right now I need to attend to personal business.

I'll be back later.

Thanks for being here, Sherlayne.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#407280 Dec 6, 2012
Orville wrote:
I am a sinner;
Discipleship and the Christian Life;
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.
Full context: I Peter 3:8
Romans 15:1,2 “We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.”
Romans 15:3 “For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.”
....and I hate sin. Yet I drink from the cup of sin. And I do so knowingly. A dark and unquenchable thirst. Perhaps I am abusive of Holy Gods mercies. Abusive of Holy Gods love. Because I know these qualities exist with our Holy God Jesus. They are permanent. Even when aware of the consequences of sin, I sin.
I look forward to leaving this life, this body of decay. My only hope of never desiring sin again is my physical death. My escape from sin is my sole hope of eternity. My entire purpose is to be complete with God-Jesus . To never sin again.
Hi Orville how are you doing dear brother.
Are you feeling well.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407281 Dec 6, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
HAVING BROACHED THIS ABOVE SUBJECT BEFORE...
ON..... THE ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST...
CONCERNING...
ONE THAT IS A PART OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC
CHURCH...
EACH TIME I HAVE BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP...
THE SILENCE HAS BEEN DEAFENING ...
Question...
IF THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH....
WHY DO YO ROMAN CATHOLICS .... GO TO SUCH LENGTH TO DEFEND A RELIGION THAT IS A DEAD END STREET?
___
A real BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN ...-->.has this promise...
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
-->NOTE JESUS WAS LIFTED UP ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY<--
Joh 3:15 ==>That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.<==
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,==> that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. <==
___
Col_3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved,
-->now are we the sons of God, and
it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear,
we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
question...
Are you Roman Catholics "NOW SON'S OF GOD?'
IF YOU ARE NOT...WHEN WILL YOU EVER BE?
ONLY SON'S ARE HEIRS TO THE KINGDOM..
Joh 1:10 He/JESUS was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He/JESUS came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him/JESUS, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born/BORN AGAIN, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
~~~

MY FIRST POST ..SOME SIX/SEVEN YEARS AGO..in this forum was

on the subject of...."sanctifying the Lord in your heart"

The definition of sanctify in GREEK...
G37
&#945;&#788;&#947; &#953;&#945;&#769; &#950;&#969;
hagiazo&#772;
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is,(ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:- hallow, be holy, sanctify.

THE SCRIPTURE VERSE WAS/IS

1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

SINCE THEN I HAVE ASK YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS

to give an answer .... a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

OVER ALL THEE YEARS no one has responded...with a positive answer..

WHY...IS THERE NO ANSWER...

PERSONALLY I HAVE CONCLUDED.... THAT YOU GIVE NO ANSWER....

.BECAUSE ...

you have no hope...
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#407282 Dec 6, 2012
Regarding Fatima -- Catholics are "not required" to believe it.

But how many are led to believe based on the actions of the RCC?

1... All of the Popes since the Fatima Miracle have recognized that the Message is authentic.

2... Several Popes have gone to Fatima in person, including Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II.

3... John Paul II said at Fatima in 1982 that "the Message of Fatima imposes an obligation on the Church."

OK, you are not "required" to believe, but if you reject belief in the so-called "Three Secrets," then you are saying that every Pope since 1917 is fundamentally wrong.

This system of "levels of belief" becomes absurd.

Jesus didn't make such a convoluted and confusing religion.

Jesus did not preach absurdity, except maybe not washing one's hands before a meal, and except dignifying slavery, and maybe a couple of more things -- but nothing so convoluted.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407283 Dec 6, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
HAVING BROACHED THIS ABOVE SUBJECT BEFORE...
ON..... THE ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST...
CONCERNING...
ONE THAT IS A PART OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC
CHURCH...
EACH TIME I HAVE BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP...
THE SILENCE HAS BEEN DEAFENING ...
Question...
IF THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH....
WHY DO YO ROMAN CATHOLICS .... GO TO SUCH LENGTH TO DEFEND A RELIGION THAT IS A DEAD END STREET?
___
A real BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN ...-->.has this promise...
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
-->NOTE JESUS WAS LIFTED UP ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY<--
Joh 3:15 ==>That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.<==
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,==> that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. <==
___
Col_3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved,
-->now are we the sons of God, and
it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear,
we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
question...
Are you Roman Catholics "NOW SON'S OF GOD?'
IF YOU ARE NOT...WHEN WILL YOU EVER BE?
ONLY SON'S ARE HEIRS TO THE KINGDOM..
Joh 1:10 He/JESUS was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He/JESUS came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him/JESUS, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born/BORN AGAIN, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
"IF THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH...."

Catholics believe and are taught that there is assurance of the promise of eternal life with Christ after death.

"WHY DO YO ROMAN CATHOLICS .... GO TO SUCH LENGTH TO DEFEND A RELIGION THAT IS A DEAD END STREET?"

You sir are a liar and bearer of false witness.
marge

Ames, IA

#407284 Dec 6, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. You seem to think you're the debate moderator, so I will do my best.
"'How many of your sins did Jesus die for?"
All of them.
"How many did He take upon Himself and carry to the cross."
All of them.
"Was Jesus payment enough?"
Yes.
"Is there more to be paid?"
No, not by Him.
"Can we in any way add to the sacrificial payment that Jesus made?"
" And what did Jesus mean when He stated that "IT IS FINISHED?"
Very good article here by Jimmy Akin, a convert to Catholicism from protestant evangelical fundamentalism. Please take the time to read it (I hope you don't stop at the first paragraph like you usually do, as that would tend to enforce my suspicion that you're not really looking for a sincere debate):
http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/how2purg....
Now, if you would do me the honor of answering MY question;
Are all of your future sins already forgiven by Christ if you choose not to repent of them?
Your question is faulty because the Holy Spirit has already lead the person to repentance and they have received forgiveness, so now your saying the Holy Sprirt stopped working, it doesn't work that way. Hope that made sense.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#407285 Dec 6, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I like:
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
It shows that the bible was written by men to control other men. They didn't want fathers to get a virgin bride price for soiled goods.
TBS

I like it too....

In a sense for the same reason you do. That men are in control. That is what a man should do and be, in control. When he is not, then he goes about making and getting into trouble....

Pretty much all of Deuteronomy 22 talks about chastity, being "in control". And when people are not being responsible, back then(in a father's house in Israel) we would consider the sentences pretty harsh by today's society's standards. But also, our society now with its lax moral standards ends up murdering human beings in the womb as a result of irresponsibility....

I think it better to hold those responsible for their actions, than murdering human beings in the womb..., don't you?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407286 Dec 6, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
MY FIRST POST ..SOME SIX/SEVEN YEARS AGO..in this forum was
on the subject of...."sanctifying the Lord in your heart"
The definition of sanctify in GREEK...
G37
&#945;&#788;&#947; &#953;&#945;&#769; &#950;&#969;
hagiazo&#772;
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is,(ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:- hallow, be holy, sanctify.
THE SCRIPTURE VERSE WAS/IS
1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
SINCE THEN I HAVE ASK YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS
to give an answer .... a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
OVER ALL THEE YEARS no one has responded...with a positive answer..
WHY...IS THERE NO ANSWER...
PERSONALLY I HAVE CONCLUDED.... THAT YOU GIVE NO ANSWER....
.BECAUSE ...
you have no hope...
"Are you Roman Catholics "NOW SON'S OF GOD?'"

Catholic believe and are taught that we are indeed now son's of God.

...."sanctifying the Lord in your heart"

http://www.scborromeo.org/papers/earn.pdf#xml...
Loren Eberly

Sunbury, OH

#407287 Dec 6, 2012
Tax Cuts:

President Obama and Congress allowing President Bush tax cuts to expire. Demands President Obama and Congress hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. Accountable to pay for every product and service they need life and pay Obama Care insurance premium with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

And pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

With money derived from the $7.25 per Government mandated labor wage, investment and independent business profit.

Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights.

Cannot pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt created defying USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#407288 Dec 6, 2012
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Your question is faulty because the Holy Spirit has already lead the person to repentance and they have received forgiveness, so now your saying the Holy Sprirt stopped working, it doesn't work that way. Hope that made sense.
No I'm not saying the Holy Spirit stopped wroking.

marge, have you ever repented for a sin or been sorry and made a concerted effort to stop repeating the same sin AFTER you "got saved"? Isn't that the Holy Spirit working in you?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407289 Dec 6, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
Celibacy is Church Practice, Not Dogma

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This is used to 'explain' why the CC does one thing, but declares that it is not dogma. What it really says is that 'the thing may not be doctrine, but we do it our way, anyhow.'

That offends my intelligence. If it is wrong, it should not be done. If it is right, it should be required.

I Tim.3:3 Bishops must BE the husband of one wife.
I Tim.3:11 Deacons wives must BE...
I Tim.3:12 LET (allow) deacons to BE the husband of one wife...

What part of BE (present tense) do you not understand?

And where is there any mention of a widower?

Widows are not to remarry? That does not explain putting youthful...never married girls into a house next door to youthful unmarried men...and having them work together. It is a recipe for temptation/trouble.

KayMarie
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#407290 Dec 6, 2012
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>sorry for the late reply,been sick,first no such thing as jesus christs one true catholic church,there is no such thing as apostolic succession,jesus is not catholic,he's not even religious,man made him religious,all he did was spread his fathers word,and created a spiritual church,man created the physical churches that we have,none have anything to do with jesus really,except they use his and his fathers words for profit.the church is alive now but won't be for long,people will not forgive them for the cover up of the child molesting that has been going on for 2000 yrs. how could you,it's the most dispicable crime you can commit against a defenseless child,murder is the other,and that is what they did,they killed these poor children phsycologically,i have seen first hand what damage child molesting does to them,did they care? no, they let it go on,the pope writes a letter of apology,big deal,what he and the vatican council should be doing is coming forward and telling the whole truth,but they won't,that is why benny is pope,to make sure he keeps quiet hiding behind diplomatic immunity,don't know if you read newspapers or t.v. news but muslims are upset with the church,they are blowing them up in northern africa,do you see god stopping them? i don't,maybe that is what he wants,destroy the church for 2000 yrs of atrocities,phony traditions,murders and so on. there is no way the catholic church is gods/jesus' true church,it's to corrupt....like to say more but can't gotta go to work,will continue later. have a good day.
Thanks, but you Jethro8 can "believe what you want"! I've listen to your anti-catholicism distortions of TRUE history and biblical truths, repeatedly!! I'll stick to the TRUTH of history and the bible with Jesus Christ at (Daily Mass, the Eucharist, the biblical readings, the Sacraments and the Adoration Prayer Chapel, in and through Our Lords One True Apostolic Catholic Church, which continues to grow (world-wide) each and every day. Hope your atheism, or agnosicism or "whatever -unbelief of the TRUTH--- that you "prefer to hold onto"---works out for you!!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#407291 Dec 6, 2012
Crickback wrote:
guys. religions a matter of personal choice. if you choose to be in one then all the power to ya. but.. should you try and PUSH your religion on others like some think they have to. then theyre just making fools of themselves and what they believe in. one can have faith in ones religion WITHOUT BEATING YER FREAKIN CHEST ABOUT IT!
nuff said
This forum is far from a chest beating contest.There may be those who beat their chest,but soon they are just one of the crowd,and there is no one who is chief poster.sll are unique here,and have given their point of view with great precision at times.So good bye,and enjoy going to the next forum and giving them your two cents worth.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#407292 Dec 6, 2012
Gargage spammed from an anti-catholic hate site. However a ration, reason or truth is of no concern to the likes of guests. ;0

Do they preach Jesus as Savior when their Popes -

Yes they do as no one but Jesus could have died for our sins.
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Do they preach Jesus as their High priest when the Roman priests are drunks, smokers, & Sodomite child rapists?

Nice Christian like blanket statement you got there devoid of fact or reality.

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Do they preach Jesus peaceful while killing 500 million Christians during the dark ages?

More people than existed in Europe. Good stuff! Foxs book of Martyrs is full of black legends devoid of truth.
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Do they preach Jesus as infallible while placing tradition over and above His Word?

Yep Jesus is infallible but you are not and traditions are not above his word. An empty claim.

Do they preach Jesus’ death as sufficient when they teach of Purgatory instead of Salvation in Jesus?

Salvation is through Jesus and everyone is tested by fire or purged as nothing unclean will enter heaven is the culmination of Christs sanctification and sacrifice on the cross.

Do they preach Jesus’ cross sufficienwhen teaching you must individually suffer to be saved?

Suffering is part of sanctification as if you are not of the world the world will hate you.

Do they preach Jesus’ cross sufficient when selling Indulgences to escape Hellfire?

Indulgences have nothing to do with escaping hell, but you dont care that you are posting a lie. However you dont know what an indulgence is.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407293 Dec 6, 2012
who="Clay"
If that religion happens to be the one that Jesus Christ started, then I'm all in.
So far, I find no reason to dismiss the Catholic Churchs claim about their existence. It checks out by independent non-Christian historians.
The Protestants claim does not. Sola Scripture is a foreign concept and is not what Christ wished for.

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Jesus declared that He does what He sees His Father do. He said that the Holy Spirit WOULD NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF (his own words), but only that that the Father said.

It is good enough for them. It should be good enough for you.
Jesus declared in His temptation: IT IS WRITTEN! He spoke only scripture.

Do you?

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407294 Dec 6, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"IF THERE IS NO ASSURANCE OF ETERNAL LIFE WITH CHRIST AFTER DEATH...."
Catholics believe and are taught that there is assurance of the promise of eternal life with Christ after death.
"WHY DO YO ROMAN CATHOLICS .... GO TO SUCH LENGTH TO DEFEND A RELIGION THAT IS A DEAD END STREET?"
You sir are a liar and bearer of false witness.
You have given me the same OLE SONG AND DANCE as was given the Second that third time I ask the question...calling me names and railing on me...

BUT YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN AN ANSWER FOR YOUR HOPE ...

EVIDENTLY YOU ARE JUST REEVING YOU MOTOR IN VENGEANCE UPON ME

YOU HAVE NO ANSWER...

YOU HONESTLY HAVE NO HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE ..RIGHT

YOU CAN'T GIVE ANS ANSWER BECAUSE THERE IS NONE TO BE FOUND IN YOUR FABLES CONJECTURE, ASSUMPTIONS ANS PRESUMPTUOUSNESS..

IT IS A DEAD END STREET..

A ROAD TO NO WHERE...

AFTER DEATH ? WHAT THEN ?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407295 Dec 6, 2012
who="hojo"
Thanks, but you Jethro8 can "believe what you want"! I've listen to your anti-catholicism distortions of TRUE history and biblical truths, repeatedly!! I'll stick to the TRUTH of history and the bible with Jesus Christ at (Daily Mass, the Eucharist, the biblical readings, the Sacraments and the Adoration Prayer Chapel, in and through Our Lords One True Apostolic Catholic Church, which continues to grow (world-wide) each and every day. Hope your atheism, or agnosicism or "whatever -unbelief of the TRUTH--- that you "prefer to hold onto"---works out for you!!

**********

Hojo...I recognize your posts before I even see your name. Try praising God instead of your One True Apostolic Catholic Church, Sacraments, and the Adoration Prayer Chapel.

KayMarie
marge

Ames, IA

#407296 Dec 6, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
No I'm not saying the Holy Spirit stopped wroking.
marge, have you ever repented for a sin or been sorry and made a concerted effort to stop repeating the same sin AFTER you "got saved"? Isn't that the Holy Spirit working in you?
Yes, but you said they choose not to repent of future sins, do we agree then that that is impossible, with the Holy Spirit guiding the person to not be lead to repentance?
Pad

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#407297 Dec 6, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
Regarding Fatima -- Catholics are "not required" to believe it.
But how many are led to believe based on the actions of the RCC?
1... All of the Popes since the Fatima Miracle have recognized that the Message is authentic.
2... Several Popes have gone to Fatima in person, including Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II.
3... John Paul II said at Fatima in 1982 that "the Message of Fatima imposes an obligation on the Church."
OK, you are not "required" to believe, but if you reject belief in the so-called "Three Secrets," then you are saying that every Pope since 1917 is fundamentally wrong.
This system of "levels of belief" becomes absurd.
Jesus didn't make such a convoluted and confusing religion.
Jesus did not preach absurdity, except maybe not washing one's hands before a meal, and except dignifying slavery, and maybe a couple of more things -- but nothing so convoluted.
"Make them pure and holy by teaching them your words of truth. As YOU sent Me into the world, I am sending them into the world." John 17:17-19.

The Gospel is the good news about the cleansing power of the GODHEAD from the stain of sin caused by the Rebellion in all of our hearts toward the Living God.

We do not automatically have faith in our CREATOR,but we need to be cleansed from the filth which is in this world by association.The Enemy of our souls is already at work,his institutions and enterprises of evil have been sewn deep into the fiber of this planet.When we are born we are already marred by the onslaught of what has been here for time in milenium.

It does not take long for our youth to be corrupted,and we see it in htis age more than ever.So the Christian message is simple and clear,IT is TIME to take a bath! To be cleansed from the ruiments of sin in this world,which none of us can absolve ourselves from. THE third verse in John 17:17-19 is this Free Mind:

"AND I give Myself entirely to YOU so they also might be entirely yours."

Jesus said to the people who believed in Him,"You are truly my disciples if you keep obeying my teachings,and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:31-32.

"I could have no greater J O Y than to hear that my children live in the t r u t h." 3 John 3:4.

Free Mind,the TRUTH spoken of in these verses is J e s u s. We cannot appreciate the magnitude of what truth is,until we receive into our lives Jesus Himself. Continued TAPESTRY of the Christian Religion.

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