Clay, thank you. No name calling and I can see you are attempting to give a reasoned reply.<quoted text>
Well one things for certain...you're not interested in the how's and why's we Catholics believe as we do.
You're not required one bit to accept it. If Fatima bothers you, don't believe it.
And God doesn't require an intercessor. But God wants intercessors. He wants everyone of us to pray for each other. If we go to Heaven like Mary and the Saints did, our prayers don't cease. In fact, they become more powerful because we're in the presence of God without the strain of sin dragging on us.
When you understand how God requires us to move towards Him first, then you can see how Marys message was true. She could have helped along with our friends the Saints.
I believe she did help us when millions of us turned to her intercession in regards to the Soviet Union. They tried to gun down our Pope because he stood up to them. 11 yrs later the Soviet Union became free. And now they are letting the Orthodox Church become a part of Russian society again. Soon the Orthodox will be reunited with Rome again, and it will be total victory over the once evil empire. That's the fulfillment of the prophecies of Fatima..Just my take..
I will reply in kind.
You claim that I am not interested in the how's and why's Catholics believe as they do.
Catholics believe what they are told to believe -- when "perfect teachings" on faith and morals are taught "infallibly."
Here's the problem. The RCC beleif system is so convoluted and detailed, no one -- not you, not Catholic AAPriest, not even the Pope -- knows which teachings are "perfect" or "infallible."
There are 7 "official" levels of belief, each with 5 or more sub-levels. Furthermore, "infallible" and "perfect" teachings from one era can be changed 100% in to "perfect" and "infallible" teachings in another era.
For centuries, Papal Bulls were considered infallible, until they weren't. Beyond the most basic concepts of the RCC and Christianity, who knows what is what? Not you!!
Regarding Fatima -- of course you are "not required" to believe it. So what?
1... All of the Popes since the Fatima Miracle have recognized that the Message is authentic.
2... Several Popes have gone to Fatima in person, including Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II.
3... John Paul II said at Fatima in 1982 that "the Message of Fatima imposes an obligation on the Church."
But under the "rules of RCC belief," this is not "official teaching."
This is called "doing the two-step."
With regard to the USSR, get real. Mary's Fatima threat (WW2) in the end strengthened the USSR and in fact, SPREAD COMMUNISM.
Protestant majority countries like the USA and the UK faced down Communism, but you want your church to take all the credit.
As for the so-called consecration of today's Russia in devotion to Mary's Sacred Heart, when exactly did that happen? I have heard various theories.
But in the end, everything I post is to the topic of this Board. If the reality that you read here makes you angry or unsettled, why not go to a Catholic forum instead./
But when you post under the title of this thread -- with a certain claim of moral superiority and superior standing with God -- then you should be able to back it up with real life events, rather than just your opinion.