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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 658987 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#407075 Dec 5, 2012
FOLLOWERS OF YAH ~ The Answer is in the WORD ~ IN THE NAME OF YAHUAH AND YAHUSHUA16.flv

Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#407076 Dec 5, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> Asked over Three hours ago. The silence is deafening!
WHICH OF YOUR SINS DID JESUS PAY FOR?
I'm a busy guy running two businesses you clown.

Are you saying as soon as you accept that Jesus died for your sins you can sin away and it doesn't matter?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407077 Dec 5, 2012
Truth wrote:
God has His reasons for everything....
We are to do His Will...
~~~

Not every thing that is done ....BY MEN ...in the name of God ...

is GOD'S WILL...

IF IT WERE...OUR WHOLE WORLD WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

MEN START OUT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS....AND THE CARNAL MIND KICKS IN

AND THE WORKS OF THE FLESH SLIP IN AND EVENTUALLY WHAT HAS BEEN STARTED

WITH GOOD INTENTIONS TURNS SOUTH AND BECOMES

SELF SERVING...SENSUAL AND EXPLOITED BY GREED.

THE A.S.P.C.A. IS A prime EXAMPLE.

What was set up to provide animal shelters...( a non profit organization..) has become a money making conglomerate...
sheltering animals is no longer their priority..

Now you have to pay them to take an animal...and pay to adopt one

their original mission has been set aside..

Currently animals are being set out on the highways as the were before...because those that cannot afford to keep them..can ill afford to pay some one to take them..

Man corrupts his own mission..

The road to hell is paved with good intentions,... corrupted
and distorted by mans carnal Adamic nature.
Loren Eberly

Shelby, OH

#407078 Dec 5, 2012
Taxes Wages and Fiscal Cliff:

The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; Successfully reelected President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That defies USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

President, the Justices they appoint, Congress, and Elected Officials hold Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay property tax on state appraised value of their American Dream to fund schools. Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

Defying USA Labor Law, the Constitution, and Realities demands does not enable President and Congress to evade fiscal cliff or balance budget and bankrupts USA; Makes Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren's children life UNAFFORDABLE; and created Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with this debt until they are 18 years old. America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt in a hundred million years.
Clay

Denver, CO

#407079 Dec 5, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, you lie about things I have posted in order to avoid the point.
OK, I don't understand the context of Mary's Second Secret of Fatima.
Here are Mary's words: Please explain.
"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI."
Please explain why this "secret" was only released after-the-fact, in 1941 after Pius XI was already the Pope and after WW2 had already begun?
Why didn't the RCC warn the world in advance?
Why did the RCC wait until Hitler had invaded Russia?
Could it be that the Vatican wanted to get rid of Communism and appease Hitler?
Why did God murder so many Chinese and poor Russian peasants, yet Mary said it would be the Church that would suffer?
How does devotion to Mary's Sacred Heart save souls? Did Jesus make her a god?
It's all COMPLETELY ABSURD. But I'm sure you can explain. And if you cannot explain, then just lie and attack the messenger.
I don't get worked up in the secrets. For some odd reason.. You do.
Its my understanding, that Mary is a powerful powerful intercessor. But she can only act if we humans make the initiative. She brings the prayers to Jesus in a similar way when she interceded at the wedding in Cana when Christ performed His first miracle.
God, of course, knew WWII Was going to happen, but He respects our free will and even allows evil to interact in our lives in order to bring out the greater good in humans. We humans could have stopped WWII. Mary could not have on her own. It takes us to act first. Once we make that initial step, Mary, the Saints and our earthy friends can pull us along.
Its like the drug addict who badly needs treatment. His friends and family can't really do much UNLESS he makes the initial step. No matter how badly you wanna help the person, if they don't want it, you can't help them. You ever watch Intervention on TV? The ones who get help are the ones who look at their family members and say "ok, I need to be saved".. Then and only then, can the family really get the power to help.
Mary is our spiritual Mother, and the Saints are our friends. They desperately wanna get involved in helping us to Jesus Christ. But their hands are tied, unless we act first.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407080 Dec 5, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a busy guy running two businesses you clown.
Are you saying as soon as you accept that Jesus died for your sins you can sin away and it doesn't matter?
~~~

Make it three businesses that you are attempting to run

You are failing miserably in attempting to run God's business.

If you attempt to ignore the rules of your other two businesses as

as you do God's you will fail with them too.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#407081 Dec 5, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholic's took the bible you claim you gave us and trashed it
I hope you get some help for your condition.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#407082 Dec 5, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
Have you stopped sinning Kay?
**********
The Bible says that 'there is none that sinneth not'. I have no argument with that Book.
I DO, however, consciously watch to keep my words and my life 'clean'. The older I get, the less effort it takes.
My worst offenses are sins of omission...those good things that I don't get done.
KayMarie
You're going pretty easy on yourself Kay. You said when your child is truly repentant they don't get punished. If your child does the same thing again, do you punish them then?
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#407083 Dec 5, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Make it three businesses that you are attempting to run
You are failing miserably in attempting to run God's business.
If you attempt to ignore the rules of your other two businesses as
as you do God's you will fail with them too.
A lying tongue, pride, wrath and now envy. Do you think Jesus will overlook these sins of yours?
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#407084 Dec 5, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
Slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world.
People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin.
In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status.
People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
Economics.It is not a perfect match but it does compare somewhat to todays economic realities.
If we examine the economic classes, we can see, on some levels, a degree of slavery.
The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts.Someone who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.
You are right Hereme, It would be like a house keeper, or a butler.
Nannies etc.
People who were rich hired the whole family, some of them truly loved their Masters and served them even when they could have left.
After a debt was paid.
There were of course like to day the exceptions. men raided villages and inslaved people like the Egyptains did, and treated them very bad.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#407085 Dec 5, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope you get some help for your condition.
Thanks :)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407086 Dec 5, 2012
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:

Ben Stein on Christmas
I am a Jewish, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say,'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jewish, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God ? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Grahams daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?'(regarding Hurricane Katrina).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said,'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hara (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407087 Dec 5, 2012
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:

Ben Stein on Christmas
I am a jewish, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say,'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a jewish, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God ? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?'(regarding Hurricane Katrina).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said,'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

continued

xxxxxxx

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407088 Dec 5, 2012
continued
xxxxxxx

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein
marge

Leesburg, GA

#407089 Dec 5, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You're going pretty easy on yourself Kay. You said when your child is truly repentant they don't get punished. If your child does the same thing again, do you punish them then?
and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;
FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES."
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#407090 Dec 5, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No its not a great post LTM. Its called BARING FALSE WITNESS.
Its a cult pamphlet. I don't understand why people like you and guest eat this stuff up.
You're victims, and whomever succeeds in convincing you that this is truth, will be in hell someday. That is a very serious matter.
Well Clay changing the Ten Commandments of God is very serious, and they have been changed by the Catholic church like it or not it is a fact.
They are also in grieve sin of adding and subtracting from God's Holy Word.
The trutth is in the pudding Clay.
There is not place like purgatory, Mary is not Queen of Heaven you caatholic's do bow and pray to idols,(IMAGES OF MARY AND OTHER SAINTS SUPPOSITLY, THERE IS EVEN A STAUTE OF SUPPOSITLY JESUS ON THE CROSS AT THE FIRST OF THE CHURCH, PEOPLE BOW AND CROSS THEMSELVES IN FRONT OF IT AND PRAY AND TALK TO IT.
aRE YOU DENYING YOU DO THESE THINGS IF YOU DON'T GOOD FOR YOU,
BUT EVERY CATHOLIC I HAVE SEEN ENTER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES THE SAME THINF.
THE ENTER THE CHURCH STICK THEIR FINGERS IN A URNAL OF HOLY WATER AND CROSS THEN SELVES WALK DOWN THE CHURCH AISLE CROSS THEM SELVE AND HALF KNEEL AND ENTER THE PEW KNEEL ON THE LITTLE BAR IN FRONT OF THEM IN THE PEW.
SEEN PEOPLE GO TO THE STATUES OF MARY AND THE SAINTS, KISS THEIR FEET LIGHT CANDLES AND KNEEL AND PRAY TO THE STATUES.
THIS IS WORSHIP IN ITS CLEAREST FORM CLAY . IT IS WORSHIP OF THE DEAD PEOPLE INSTEAD, OF BOWING BEFORE THE LIVING HOLY RIGHTIOUS UNSEEN GOD. WHO SEES YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING.
'THOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF AND IDOLS OR ANY LIKENESS OF WHAT IS IN HEAVEN ABOVE OR THE EARTH BELOW OR BELOW THE EARTH OR UNDER THE WATERS OR BENETHE THE WATERS.
NOW WEATHER IF MARY IS IN HEAVEN OR IN THE EARTH BELOW, YOU HAVE A IMAGE OF HER YOU BOW TO AND PRAY, SAME WITH THE REST OF THE SAINTS.
IT IS FORBIDDEN BY GOD TO DO SO CLAY.
YOUR CATHOLIC LEADERS SAY ITS ALRIGHT TO BUT GOD SAYS ITS NOT, SO THEY ARE LYING AND CHANGING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
CLAY I BELIEVE YOU TO BE A VERY GOD LOVING MAN, WHO WANTS TO SERVE THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, BUT YOU HAVE BEEN FOOLING A FALSE DOCTRINE. THE TRUTH IS IN THE VERY BOOK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CLAIMS THEY GAVE THE WORLD, SO WHY AREN'T THEY OBEYING IT THEMSELVES??
THAT IS THE MILLIOM DOLLAR QUESTION CLAY.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#407091 Dec 5, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo"

I try not to be too fussy, because I hope above all things to lead people to TRUTH, not to a 'club' or 'doctrine'. But I find the 'National Inquirer type of "trash" stories' slam against Protestants (especially 'Bible only') to be very offensive.
KayMarie
Good point KayMarie, but as long as we are on the subject, I find it to be "very offensive" that your husband, continues to condemn, judge, critiicze and attack the doctrine and teachings of the Catholic Church, my personal faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ as well as other Catholics on this forum, just because it doesn't "fit into" his bible only (narrow) beliefs.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#407092 Dec 5, 2012
CLAY SORRY ABOUT THE LARGE LETTERS , CAN'T SEE THE KEYS TO WELL.

have a nice day

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#407093 Dec 5, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
A lying tongue, pride, wrath and now envy. Do you think Jesus will overlook these sins of yours?
~~~

Do you discriminate against,.... and call people names ...in you other two businesses,

or is it just the evangelicals...here....in the forum .. that you hate?
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#407094 Dec 5, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get worked up in the secrets. For some odd reason.. You do.
Its my understanding, that Mary is a powerful powerful intercessor. But she can only act if we humans make the initiative. She brings the prayers to Jesus in a similar way when she interceded at the wedding in Cana when Christ performed His first miracle.
God, of course, knew WWII Was going to happen, but He respects our free will and even allows evil to interact in our lives in order to bring out the greater good in humans. We humans could have stopped WWII. Mary could not have on her own. It takes us to act first. Once we make that initial step, Mary, the Saints and our earthy friends can pull us along.
Its like the drug addict who badly needs treatment. His friends and family can't really do much UNLESS he makes the initial step. No matter how badly you wanna help the person, if they don't want it, you can't help them. You ever watch Intervention on TV? The ones who get help are the ones who look at their family members and say "ok, I need to be saved".. Then and only then, can the family really get the power to help.
Mary is our spiritual Mother, and the Saints are our friends. They desperately wanna get involved in helping us to Jesus Christ. But their hands are tied, unless we act first.
Clay, I don't get "worked up." I am simply replying on topic, on a Topix board.

If this topic bothers you, then please stop whining and calling names, and go to another forum. There are many catholic forums where you won't be so angry all the time.

As for the rest of your reply, you AGAIN avoided the main points.....

1... Why would a perfect, all-knowing God requires an intercessor? That's absurd.

2... DUH!!! If humans could have avoided WW2 (as you say), then why didn't the RCC release Mary's words to the world BEFORE WW2 had already begun?

3... Why does Mary only mention the Church's "suffering," while seemingly not to care about the tens of millions of innocent Russian peasants and the tens of millions of Chinese and other Asians who died per her threat (not to mention her own people, Jews!!!

It seems that Mary didn't care about most of humanity, including her own Jewish people. Is Mary really such a callous, uncaring person?

4.... Lastly, I ask again. Why does devotion to Mary's Sacred Heart save souls? The Bible is full of ways to be saved, but Mary is never mentioned as a savior.

In short, the entire episode is absurd and when looked at in detail, it makes Mary out to be uncaring, demanding, and much, much worse.

I defend Mary against your church's lies. Mary is not the demanding, threatening person you make her out to be.

This is just more evidence that the "one true" claim is pure baloney. No one true church would feel a need to make up such obvious lies.

And surprise!-- the main beneficiary of this RCC lie were Mussolini and his buddy Hitler.

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