Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#406745 Dec 3, 2012
preston wrote:
hey Reggie, you got your gloves on, I will take you and Hermi both on at the same times,
no holds barred.but hurry up, I am going to bed in 5 minutes or less, maybe, If I dont fall asleep before then or maybe later depends on what is on tv, if I am not recording it to watch when I wake up if I aint asleep when it comes on
HIDES BEHIND SERAPHIMA
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406746 Dec 3, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
It is biblical.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.ht...
In fact the Jews believe in a form of purification.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory#sect...
I. A State After Death of Suffering and Forgiveness
Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us,“Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent”(antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

RESPONSE: A 'state of forgiveness'? What is a 'state of forgiveness' and why must one be in a 'state of suffering' to be forgiven? This is just ridicules. NOTICE that this whole post is based on speculation. Example."is LIKELY in reference to the devil".
This does not stand in light of the context of the passage. Jesus is teaching about how to deal with those who have aught against us. NOT in how to deal with the devil.
" This prison is PURGATORY" they say. Based on what? This would be laughable if it were not so serious.
Can you imagine if YOUR child came to you for your forgiveness and you told them you may have it, BUT , I am going to make you go to a place to be tortured first. What a loving parent you would be. But in your warped view of a loving compassionate saviour it is somehow O.K.???? It literally sickens me to even read this garbage.
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#406747 Dec 3, 2012
preston wrote:
hey Reggie, you got your gloves on, I will take you and Hermi both on at the same times,
no holds barred.but hurry up, I am going to bed in 5 minutes or less, maybe, If I dont fall asleep before then or maybe later depends on what is on tv, if I am not recording it to watch when I wake up if I aint asleep when it comes on
Are you going to punch me??!! Bed and a book sound like a whole lot more fun right about now.
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#406748 Dec 3, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Hey there girl!! Hurricanes and srious medical crises have kept us apart. Still love ya.
I love you, too! I'm thrilled that you're home and doing better, even if progress is slow. I hear you were making goo-goo eyes at the nurses! And now you're into midgets. What next??!!

"I Survived Hurricane Sandy", yeah, it was a little breezy out one day.
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#406749 Dec 3, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Hey there girl!! Hurricanes and srious medical crises have kept us apart. Still love ya.
I'd give you a 'heart', but apparently the icons upset 4BDN. I don't normally use them since they're so childish, but now that I know they get under his skin, I could learn to like them...a lot!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406750 Dec 3, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU DON'T KNOW ANY THING ABOUT THE SEVERITY AND VENGEANCE OF GOD..
and believe Him to be wishy washy such as your religious system is...
Rom_11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
~~~
Evidently you (because you deny and are ignorant of His word.)
The only thing that I deny are false-judgmental-heretical-con demning anti-catholic Protestant preachers like you, who conveniently, insert the word Catholic (anywhere in the bible, wherever it "fits" into your hositlity and hate towards Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church
If YOU knew ANYTHING about the vengeance of God, you would "get down on your knees" and repent of the condemning and judgmental hypocricy against (any and all) other Christians (especially Catholics)........ You have "proven" to everyone of this forum that (condemning the faith of other Christians) is the "entire basis of your ministry!! You seem to think that "quoting a bunch of bible verses" makes you a Christian. You--Confrinting --are in for a "rude awakening" on judgment day---(a day of reconing- for those who "purposely" divide, separate, disunite and fracture the body of Christ and the body of Believers.(I Cor 1:10-13). Furthermore YOU CONFRINTING are NOT the finalojudge nor the blueprint for my Salvation in Christ (OR ANYONE ELSES)--I know the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the word of God------I listen to it, believe it, adhere to it, absorb it, and follow it, every day at Daily Mass, at home and at the Adoration Chapel--before the blessed Sacrament......... Furthermore, I not only know Gods "true interpretation" of His word----I KNOW JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF(every single day) as personal Lord and Savior!!----It is HE who helps me to "stomach, endure and put up with" heretical bible only Protestant preachers like you---through acts of confession and repentance, in attempting to "deal with" your blatant lies regarding my own personal faith, my Catholic doctrinal faith and listening to your "on-going" distorted anti-catholic hate and animosity that has "CORRUPTED your mind, heart and soul...... God help this bondage of hate that you display toward us Catholics (as brothers and sisters in Christ) and toward His One True Catholic Church. Thank God for your wife KAYMARIE--again---she is the "breath of fresh air" ----the ONLY true Christian in your family!!
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406751 Dec 3, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
It is biblical.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.ht...
In fact the Jews believe in a form of purification.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory#sect...
If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.
This of course goes against the teachings of scripture in that the the (debt to God) is the debt for our sin. And the scriptures clearly tell us the price(debt) of sin is the 'second death' which is an eternity in hell seperated from God forever. "And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire."
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406752 Dec 3, 2012
What can wash away our sin?
How about our own suffering in PURGATORY?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406753 Dec 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a few other things Jesus 'forgot' to tell the Apostles.
One was to compile a bible, print it, and pass it out to you guys to determine your own Christianity.
Purgatory is biblical. It makes too much sense logically as well. Nothing unclean shall enter Heaven. If you so arrogantly think you're clean, then you're in for a rude awakening.
Why don't you keep it real with everybody. You're asking people to completely ignore the first 1,800 yrs of Christianity, and follow your take on it - based on what YOU think the bible is saying.
So you believe that PURGATORY os a place where you can go to pay your own sin debt by your own suffering. If only God had known about that, He could have spared His only Son.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#406754 Dec 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad good friend
I agree with what you write....
Here is a concern of mine, with all the spilling of innocent blood by abortion, there is coming a day of judgement for the U.S., and other nations that practice this form of what I call "sacrifice to Molech"....
I don't think the time is far off, and we may be seeing signs of this judgement in the environment(weather issues) the heavens already....
It seems that there are two reasons why God judges nations.One is of course the Abortion issue.I cannot imagine what is in store for countries like China that has set in law not only abortion,but prohibits couples to have more than one baby,and in some cases only two.The horrible decision on the Chinese to kill female babies,or put them up for adoption is terrible.

The Chinese men are going to want to move in every direction out of China to find for themselves wives.

As for this country,we have had real truth preched fro our pulpits,and there has been great moves of God in this land.Now we for convenience sake are enforcing laws to protect the Abortion industry,if weather conditions are the first sort of judgment on this land,I will not wonder why?

Decadence is also so apparent here,we Americans are not satisfied at all to settle for wholesome entertainment,our talk shows and standup comedies,or late nite junk all speak of raukus dissent from what was once "A good sense of humor".These garbage replacements for good humor are the basis of a mindset that supports socialism and eventually Communism.Oh someday we might know what communism is really like,one thing many people so not know is that Communistic societies abhor free speech,frivolotry and free expression.

Our present administration is heading fast toward totalitarianism,it won't be long before maybe even Obama demanding what Morsi in Egypt wants.

Judgment comes first in the way of disasters and the like,than also political upheavals and despot regimes are a form of judgment as well on nations that have forsaken truth for debauchery.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406755 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
HOJO says.....
......I have told you before that Georgetown U. is one of the most liberal Catholic Universities in the U.S. and CARAServices have been "in bed" sleeping with them for years.
MICHAEL says....
CARA says.....
CARA has more than 40 years of experience in quality social science research on the Catholic Church. We offer a range of research and consulting services for dioceses, parishes, religious communities and institutes, and other Catholic organizations. CARA’s longstanding policy is to let research findings stand on their own and never take an advocacy position or go into areas outside its social science competence. All CARA researchers have advanced degrees in relevant academic disciplines as well as pastoral experience. CARA researchers are active in the academic community publishing and presenting research about the Catholic Church.
They do RESEARCH and CONSULTING services for dioceses, parishes, and other Catholic organizations for over 40 years.
Sounds legit to me!
You don't like CARA because you claim its liberal, and their numbers don't reflect what you want them to be. You don't like the national catholic reporter because its liberal. You don't like the 47,000 nuns in america because they are too liberal. You don't like the president of the United STates because he is liberal......
What are you doing in AMERICA! lol!
What you are saying is that all these numbers are lies and completely the opposite of what they report?
Show me your numbers, or stop with your BS excuses!
UNBELIEVABLE!
You are right (for once-Michael) I do not like CARA because they (in no way) represent the true teachings of the Catholic Church--NOR do they represent the vast majority of Catholic who adhere to, follow and believe in the TRUE doctrinal teachings of the Catholic Church...... As I said before Georgetown is the most liberal University in the U.S.--Their distorted, perverted and skewed % statistics DO NOT speak for God, for Jesus Christ, for the Catholic Church nor do they speak for the 1.168 Billion Catholics around the world.
CARA Working Papers is a report done be analysis data from CARA
Catholic Poll volunteers with social justice attitudes that are liberal
CARA/georgetown.edu/publicatio n/working papers.html
scs.georgetown.edu/...of-arts-in-liberal-stud...

Michael--take your "junk % statistics" somewhere else. There is NOT ONE CATHOLIC on this forum that believes ANY of the anti-catholic "trash sources" that "throw out" on this forum, anti-catholic "hack writers" that you have become "addicted to". Maybe one, two or "even three" of your "bible only" 42,000 Protestants will want to add some of your "heretical BS" to their own "misery of hate" against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church. You and your agnostic and atheists anti-catholic "personal opinions" are beginning to be a "waste of time. If you think that by bringing up these exaggerated and distorted statistics (over and over again) are going to change us or change our Catholic faith, beliefs or Our Personal Salvation and relationship to Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church--then you are becoming "more desperate" than any of us could EVER IMAGINE!!--Go look in the mirror Michael---and you will see the REAL PROBLEM!!.
marge

Ames, IA

#406756 Dec 3, 2012
4GVN wrote:
What can wash away our sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
marge

Ames, IA

#406757 Dec 3, 2012
SEE, I told ya they curse us without talking to them.

We'd be blessed <

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#406758 Dec 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>

anti-catholic Protestant preachers

One True Catholic Church

(especially Catholics)

my Catholic doctrinal faith

One True Catholic Church.

Good grief! ALL this time, and you still have never managed to say anything new or worthwhile...
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406759 Dec 3, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi, Robert! You are so right. We are to fully participate in the Mass, we are to *pray* the Mass. It is the highest prayer we can offer. Sometimes I'm distracted with the stuff of life, worries and so forth, but the best and most fruitful masses are those in which I'm fully present. I love when I see someone with their hands together, pointing straight up to heaven for the entire Mass. It's so intimate, so inspiring. I think God puts those angels in our midst as an example. To be so deep into the Liturgy is such a joy. Thank you.
Go in peace to love and serve the Lord, and one another.
A blessed Advent season to you and yours!
Regina--Gods love to you and thank you for your Catholic faith and your comments, nurtured in Jesus Christ. As a brother/sister IN Christ, I would ask you to please keep me in your prayers during this season of Advent. It has been all that "I have been able to "stomach and endure" in attempting to keep patience, charity, benevolence and serving Christ in HIS love when dealing with "bible only Protestants" who beligerently and purposely attack, not only Our Catholic Faith, but our faith in Jesus Christ and Our Lord HIMSELF. Fortunately---the saving Grace of the Catholic Church (for me) has, is and will continue to be confession!!..Thanks again and a blessed, peaceful time of preparation during this season of Advent to you and your family!!
hojo
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#406760 Dec 3, 2012
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief! ALL this time, and you still have never managed to say anything new or worthwhile...
The TRUTH needs to be repeated over and over and over again until THAT TRUTH begins to sink in to those of you bible only Protestants who are the "repeat story" the Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11 defiant, rebellious and hostile----that is (of course) until--"he finally came to his senses"! There still may be hope for you "since you Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, and many others------ are still only half-way there!!!

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#406761 Dec 3, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
TheBlackSheep.....
No one in the ENTIRE MEDITERANEAN past and present, outside of a handful of agenda driven christian ONLY writers ever mentions a miracle man named Jesus. I wonder why???
05Decc12.....

.....LIAR.....

The WHOLE of the Mediterranean knows about Jesus Christ.

Ps:....you 'sickel' breath have Never been to da Mediterranean or else you would know how to spell it correctly.

You are fulla schidt to the eyeballs....

....and den sum toooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406762 Dec 3, 2012
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
You got that right, Sister.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406763 Dec 3, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
So you are on this forum to discuss the four corners of the round table
RIGHT...
To talk about something that you know nothing about
and claim you don't believe in.
I to you ..GOD DOES NOT EXIST...WHO ARE YOU SHADOW BOXING WITH???
You always attack when you fail to have an answer.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406764 Dec 3, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
There's more than just a verse or two, and also Sacred Tradition which describes the Mass from the earliest days of Christianity. Don't forget, we're not 'bible alone', however, it is biblical.
What makes you think the younger generation doesn't like Latin? I've always loved the Latin Mass, and there are many Catholics (young Catholics) who prefer it.
Why are so many churches going away from Latin masses? To rid yourself of 'Sacred Traditions', you must have a very good reason. Do you still only eat fish on Fridays?
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>Why do anti-Catholic Christians always throw down the money card whenever they don't know the real reason behind something? And what, may I ask, is wrong with money? The Church needs it just the way everybody else does. How do you think the electric bill gets paid
Philadelphia trial revives Catholic Church sex-abuse crisis
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/...

Nothing is wrong with paying the electric bill, but after reading the above article, do you believe that the church has done right by its victims?

It was not just the priests abusing the children, it was also the priests, bishops and cardinals who covered up and are still covering up the crimes.

I am looking for the article where the catholic church is trying to get out of paying the victims, claiming that they cannot sell buildings that the church does not own. They claim that the people own the builds, not the church. Then the church turns around and buys the crystal cathedral for $58 million!?!?
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>Purgatory is still a doctrine of the Church. It's not an "invention" and hasn't been "gotten rid of". You need to find out what Catholicism actually teaches and why. You're denouncing something that you know nothing about. Disagree with it, if you must. But it's pretty obvious you've gotten hold of some erroneous information. It's like my basing a dislike of apples on the orange I've just eaten.
purgatory has its roots much deeper than the catholic church. Much older than any christian.

Couldn't you pray people out of purgatory? Didn't the church take money to help move loved one out of purgatory?

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