Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Michael

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Why would an all loving, all inclusive son of God Jesus claim that women under no circumstance are equal to a man in the capacity as a clergy member, and not have any policy making abilities within the church structure, but they are allowed to bring their vacuum cleaners to church to clean and vacuum the altar. Thats their job.

Educated people today wonder why so many catholic women believe celbacy should be optional and women as priests should be equal in all respects to church decision making.

Why on earth would God place women at a lower standard than men and blatantly descriminate against them?

I personally believe the hirearchy of the church, a bunch of old women hating men do not want women to ever be equal to them in all capacities.

An !ALL! loving God would never establish such descrimintation between his creation of men and women.

The catholic church has an agenda, and it wasn't created by an ALL loving, equality for all! man/god Jesus.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Robert F wrote:
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NASL
Key word...."if", and "then" are statements of logic, not speculation....
So prove that a circle is a square....Your faith and logic is wrong.
So prove that a stick has one end....Your faith and logic is wrong.
So prove that free-will doesn't exist....Your faith and logic is wrong.
I say a circle is not a square.
I say a stick has two ends.
I say free-will means there is good and evil.
You are lost in deep darkness.
The duality of the life. Amazing isn't it.

Good/evil
"God"/"Satan "

No I am not lost in any type of darkness, but I guess you would know me better than myself, huh?

Do you see your arrogance in thinking you know another person's life? It really doesn't surprise me at all, because all the Catholics, I've ever discussed this with, all seem to be the same way....they know what is best for me, even though don't haven't a clue on what I do, where I go, or why I do things.

Sounds to me, that you'll need to step into the confessional and ask for forgiveness of judging others.

Please show me why I am "lost in deep darkness"?

BTW - I'm still waiting on where "God" has stated Gnosticism is heresy. For that matter - where has "He" stated that any religion is heresy?

Free-will = Self / Spirit / being / and "of the mind" = MORAL
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I'm not sure I understand your question. Salvation is, in fact, the point of "Christianity".
Anthony says...

Salvation is, in fact, the point of "Christianity".

Michael says....

You claim you love Jesus, you know all his stories, you claim you read everything about him and adore him, and love his mother too and everything about her. If Jesus as you believe never offered salvation, would you really give a damn about a man named Jesus or his mother, then?

Is promised Salvation the ONLY reason you claim you love Jesus? Would you continue to read and learn about his history and what he did throughout his life if Salvation was not his forte?

Its like strangers in a bar, and a guy at the bar yells "free drinks for everyone" all of a sudden everyone loves this new friend they found..........ONLY because he gave them something.
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4GVN wrote:
The Roman Catholic Gospel(the GOOD news)......... IF someone poors water on my head when I am an infant, and IF I grow up in the Catholic Church, and IF I go to confirmation, and IF I keep the commandments, and IF I go to confession at least once a year, and IF I partake in all of the sacriments, and IF I pray the rosery, and IF I don't die with any mortal sin, then I MIGHT go to Purgatory for hundreds, or thousands, or millions of years(no one knows for sure), and if anyone remembers to keep praying for me to get out of Purgatory, then I MIGHT get to go to heaven. Is that the GOOD NEWS of Roman Catholicism?
Well, I can say for certain that bearing false witness, or in this case intentionally lying about one's faith, is not indicative of a "saved Christian". Keeping working on it my friend.
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<quoted text>Sorry Anthony, but there is no infant baptism here.
"Do penance and be baptized". Infants can't do that.
"The promise is to you and you children and to those that are (far off)[those who haven't even been born yet]". They aren't to be baptised now either. He is talking about the generations You,your children and those far off.(your children's children and so on.)
"THEY that RECIEVED HIS WORD were baptised" no infants here.
Thanks for your opinion.

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Robert F wrote:
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First off the RCC is not an institution, like a man-made government, that rises and falls as a worldly government or kingdom....
Correct, it's just an institution that liked to change the doctrine when other so-called "Catholics" were in disagreement.

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Wars-Patriarchs-E...

Your hypostatic union was a developed concept.
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"Then what do you believe was the state of the RCC during the reign of these ungodly men?"
The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, was preaching the gospel. These "ungodly" men (even though you are in no position to judge) were sinners. Just like you and me.
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The Holy Spirit 'guides' individuals who He indwells, NOT institutions. If as you believe, the POPE is the spiritual leader of the RCC. And(as you agreed) said POPE was a wicked unregenerate, unchristian man, where is the leadership? And to take it a step further, If (as you agreed) said POPE was a non-christian and therefore could not possibly be the 'VICAR OF CHRIST' what has become of APOSTLEIC SUCCESION? It of necessity CEASES.
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Anthony MN wrote:
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"Do you believe that the Holy Spirit guides lost people?"
Yes. We're not OSAS.
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The Holy Spirit guides those He indwells (ONLY). He may convict the lost(of thier need of salvation and JESUS), but He does not guide them.

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Truth wrote:
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Hey Preston,
I know that you disagree with me and that is fine...I respect you for that....
Just a little message for you:
John 7:38-39
38 Whoever [believes] in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
***Believes = will receive
***Will receive what = Holy Spirit (later to receive)
***Spirit had not been given = Jesus had not yet been glorified
A promise that was foretold by scriptures:
Isaiah 44:3
3 For I will pour water on the thirsty land,
and streams on the dry ground;
I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring,
and my blessing on your descendants.
The Holy Spirit was given after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ to the right hand of the Father and was glorified.
Book of Acts Chapter 1 & 2, he (God) sent forth the Spirit upon His apostles on the day of Pentecost.(No water and no blood required)
God speaking through the Apostle Peter:
Acts 2:38
38 Peter replied,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Why in the name of Jesus Christ???
Jesus' blood (spiritual)
Why be baptized???
For the forgiveness of your sins
And receive what???
The gift of the Holy Spirit
Why???
Because the Holy Spirit had already been poured out and Jesus had already been glorified.
Acts 5:32
32 We (APOSTLES) are ~~~~~witnesses of these things,~~~~~ and [[[[[so is the Holy Spirit,]]]]]****whom God has given to those who obey him.”*****
God working in baptism....ABSOLUTELY!!!
Romans 8:9-10
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but <<<<<are in the realm of the Spirit,>>>>> if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you.*****And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.*****
10 ~~~~~But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to DEATH~~~~~ because of <SIN,> [[[[[the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.]]]]]
All acts done by a person, on their own.

No religion required.

Thanks agains for proving yet at another time of "Self".

Why do you promote Self, yet refuse to accept it?
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<quoted text> The Holy Spirit 'guides' individuals who He indwells, NOT institutions. If as you believe, the POPE is the spiritual leader of the RCC. And(as you agreed) said POPE was a wicked unregenerate, unchristian man, where is the leadership? And to take it a step further, If (as you agreed) said POPE was a non-christian and therefore could not possibly be the 'VICAR OF CHRIST' what has become of APOSTLEIC SUCCESION? It of necessity CEASES.
The Holy Spirit guides the Church Christ founded (see Matt.16:18) The Holy Spirit also guides individuals. Individuals can fall away. The Church cannot (see Matt. 16:18)

And actually, I did not agree that a pope was "a wicked unregenerate, unchristian man" and "a non-christian". Essentially, I agreed that some popes were very sinful.

Please do me a favor and answer these questions; If a baptist preacher is having an adulterous affair with one of his congregants, does that mean the gospel he preaches on Sunday is not true? Is he not saved? Is he not a Christian?

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Truth wrote:
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Robert...thank you for being so respectful....
You wrote:
When one is baptised in water, aren't sins washed away?
Yes, that is what baptism is for...plus, you receive a gift from God...the "gift" of the Holy Spirit aka the "indwelling" of the Holy Spirit...Acts 2:38...
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That inludes, past, present, and future....How far into the past?
Until you know the difference between good and bad...right and wrong...or understand what sin is....SIN IS AN ACT COMMITTED BY THE INDIVIDUAL....
Deuteronomy 1:39
39 And the <<<little ones>>> that you said would be taken captive,~~~your children who do not yet know good from bad~~~—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.
If children are not old enough to decide against Christ, are they old enough to decide for Christ?
Can an infant/small child act on this with his heart?
Romans 10:9-10
9 If you declare with YOUR MOUTH,“Jesus is Lord,” and believe in YOUR heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with YOUR heart that YOU believe and are justified, and it is with YOUR MOUTH that you profess YOUR faith and are saved.
It DOES NOT say "father's mouth, mother's mouth, godfather's mouth, godmother's mouth, grandfather's mouth, or grandmother's mouth....it says YOUR MOUTH.
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What about original sin?
This is where you fall into false teachings as there is NO such thing as original sin...
We DO NOT INHERIT the SINS of our fathers...
Ezekiel 18:18-20
18 <<<<<But his father will die for his own sin,>>>>> because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.
19 “Yet you ask,‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live.
20 ~~~~~The one who sins is the one who will die.~~~~~[[[[The child will NOT share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.]]]]] <<<<<The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.>>>>>
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When does one start to sin after they are born?
When they know the difference between good and bad, right and wrong, and they have been TAUGHT what SIN is.....
Robert...would you let your 12 or 13 year old child get married??.
Truth good friend

Thanks for your response....

My immediate reply is that which you quote, Romans 10:9

" That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Since it is God that knows the heart of an infant, and an infant is not able to confess..., as his knowledge and understanding are not yet developed, infant baptism is legitimate because of the heart....It is kind of a glass half full/half empty issue. And since God's Grace is more than sufficient for salvation, let God have the Glory....

Another way to put it, if one is brain damaged, so that knowledge of sin is eliminated, does that make them ineligible for salvation, again by God's Grace, and God knowing the heart? I think yes. To God be the Glory.

But that brings us to sin. And the sense of sin. I am really glad you brought this up. I am studying this at this time....I am finding the older I get, the more quickly I know something is a sin. And ifwhen I sin, the more quickly I seek penance.

But sin and the sense of sin is growing duller in our culture, and seems the world over....I might attribute it to the destructiveness of the last century(although we think of technology as advancement), all the wars and dedication to them the world over seems like it was on the rise....What do you think?
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"Do you believe that one of these lost,unchristian people could be the 'VICAR of CHRIST'?"
We really have a language barrier here. Do you consider every person who sins a "lost, unchristian"? No, I believe a "lost, NON-Christian" could not be appointed the Vicar of Christ. But if you mean to imply that you know for certain that these men weren't Christians and that they did not repent before death and that everyone who is a "saved Christian" never sins, well, you've got quite the line of communication with God that no one else has.
There is a vast difference in one who has a momentary lapse of judgement and one whose whole lifestyle is evil and sinful. And one who has NEVER given any indication of a life changed by Christ. David backslid and missed the mark BUT David was a man after God's own heart. David did show a profound belief in God. Peter denied Christ and cursed, but Peter certainly was a believer and convert. The records of the lives of these POPES reveal no such evidence.
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Anthony MN wrote:
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Why do you always turn nasty? That's not very Christian of you.
Not nasty, just sayin'........ Tell me YOUR STORY: about HIS GLORY. When were you first convicted of your need to be saved? When did you come to saving faith in Jesus? Have you had a life changing experience? Do you KNOW that if you died tonight, that you would go to heaven? What is the GOOD NEWS for Anthony?
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preston wrote:
Philip went into Samaria to preach the Gospel there. While he was there, miracles and wonders occurred by his ministry, and demons were cast out of many people. As a result they were baptized.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
They supposedly already "received" the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14-16 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Here is what occurred after the two apostles arrived.
Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
The above experience shows us that one does not "receive the Holy Ghost" automatically when one is baptized
Hey Preston,

If I may....

Philip could NOT impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit to others.

Acts 8:13

13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere,[[[[[astonished by the ~~~~~great signs and miracles~~~~~ HE SAW.]]]]]

Only the apostles had the ability to impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands.

Acts 8:14

14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God,~~~~~they sent Peter and John to Samaria.~~~~~

The apostles sent Peter and John....

Why????

Only by the laying on of the apostles' hands was the POWER of the Holy Spirit given.

Preston, look at this verse carefully:

Acts 8:18

18 When Simon <<<SAW>>> that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money.

Now, do we see the ~miraculous powers~ being performed today???

NO!!!

WHY???

The ~~~miraculous powers~~~ CEASED to continue once those who had been given this POWER DIED as the POWER could not be passed on.
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Anthony MN wrote:
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And actually, I did not agree that a pope was "a wicked unregenerate, unchristian man" and "a non-christian". Essentially, I agreed that some popes were very sinful.
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So do you believe that one can live a 'life' of sin and still be a christian? OSAS? I don't.
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Full of Love wrote:
Please remember our family your prayrs.
My brother's son,Michael Paul is dying as I type.
He is only 43 yrs old.
My brother lost his wife and their chidren lost their mother this time last year.
Also,remember his mother's family.
I feel so sad for my brother.I know what it is to lose a child.
Thank you and God bless.
FOL,

I am so sorry that your family are going through this difficult time....

My prayers are with you and your family at this time for comfort and strength from our Lord.

Blessings!
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<quoted text> There is a vast difference in one who has a momentary lapse of judgement and one whose whole lifestyle is evil and sinful. And one who has NEVER given any indication of a life changed by Christ. David backslid and missed the mark BUT David was a man after God's own heart. David did show a profound belief in God. Peter denied Christ and cursed, but Peter certainly was a believer and convert. The records of the lives of these POPES reveal no such evidence.
Aside from the fact that all you know about the lives of these popes and the culture in which they lived comes from anti-Catholic sources, can you tell me at what point in a person's life that an act of true repentance would be too late for Christ's forgiveness?
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Anthony MN wrote:
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Well, I can say for certain that bearing false witness, or in this case intentionally lying about one's faith, is not indicative of a "saved Christian". Keeping working on it my friend.
Please correct me.

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Free Mind wrote:
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No, try again....
Why would you make a blanket statement about people you know nothing personally about and ONLY because they don't accept the belief of YOUR deity? Most I am sure live productive lives, follow the laws of the land, just like you, but just because they decided or their families decided that they had no belief in a higher power how does that make them fools?
MAYBE -- you wouldn't be filled with so much blind hatred -- if your belief system made sense.
Free Mind good friend

Oh alright.....I was writing to Michael, and he wasn't listening. So I didn't want to repeat myself for nothing....

My answer is this....I respect their decision. They have free-will to choose. Although I don't think they are well informed, and thus makes them foolish....Let me explain:

Consider it this way....What is more important?

If one must break the speed law in order to save a life, which is the wiser course of action?

If one must break civil law(being a "citizen") in order to save a life one concludes the priority is correct, while being informed.

But which is more important civil law, or religous law? In our case it is an "inalienable" right to have religion, therefore religion trumps civil law. And this again is a prioritized list.

So atheists deny not only God/religion, but they reject the civil law prioritizing religion....In other words they are uninformed or misinformed in their decision. This makes them foolish in their choices....
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The Holy Spirit guides the Church Christ founded (see Matt.16:18) The Holy Spirit also guides individuals. Individuals can fall away. The Church cannot (see Matt. 16:18)
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There is NO reference here to the Holy Spirit at all. The Holy Spirit ONLY works in the hearts of christians. NOt in an institution. The Holy Spirit guides christians(individually), This is the church. The biblical definition of a church is a (called out assembly). What man is the 'leader of the RCC?

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