Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406001 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
And actually, I did not agree that a pope was "a wicked unregenerate, unchristian man" and "a non-christian". Essentially, I agreed that some popes were very sinful.
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So do you believe that one can live a 'life' of sin and still be a christian? OSAS? I don't.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#406002 Nov 30, 2012
Full of Love wrote:
Please remember our family your prayrs.
My brother's son,Michael Paul is dying as I type.
He is only 43 yrs old.
My brother lost his wife and their chidren lost their mother this time last year.
Also,remember his mother's family.
I feel so sad for my brother.I know what it is to lose a child.
Thank you and God bless.
FOL,

I am so sorry that your family are going through this difficult time....

My prayers are with you and your family at this time for comfort and strength from our Lord.

Blessings!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#406003 Nov 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> There is a vast difference in one who has a momentary lapse of judgement and one whose whole lifestyle is evil and sinful. And one who has NEVER given any indication of a life changed by Christ. David backslid and missed the mark BUT David was a man after God's own heart. David did show a profound belief in God. Peter denied Christ and cursed, but Peter certainly was a believer and convert. The records of the lives of these POPES reveal no such evidence.
Aside from the fact that all you know about the lives of these popes and the culture in which they lived comes from anti-Catholic sources, can you tell me at what point in a person's life that an act of true repentance would be too late for Christ's forgiveness?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406004 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I can say for certain that bearing false witness, or in this case intentionally lying about one's faith, is not indicative of a "saved Christian". Keeping working on it my friend.
Please correct me.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406005 Nov 30, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
No, try again....
Why would you make a blanket statement about people you know nothing personally about and ONLY because they don't accept the belief of YOUR deity? Most I am sure live productive lives, follow the laws of the land, just like you, but just because they decided or their families decided that they had no belief in a higher power how does that make them fools?
MAYBE -- you wouldn't be filled with so much blind hatred -- if your belief system made sense.
Free Mind good friend

Oh alright.....I was writing to Michael, and he wasn't listening. So I didn't want to repeat myself for nothing....

My answer is this....I respect their decision. They have free-will to choose. Although I don't think they are well informed, and thus makes them foolish....Let me explain:

Consider it this way....What is more important?

If one must break the speed law in order to save a life, which is the wiser course of action?

If one must break civil law(being a "citizen") in order to save a life one concludes the priority is correct, while being informed.

But which is more important civil law, or religous law? In our case it is an "inalienable" right to have religion, therefore religion trumps civil law. And this again is a prioritized list.

So atheists deny not only God/religion, but they reject the civil law prioritizing religion....In other words they are uninformed or misinformed in their decision. This makes them foolish in their choices....
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406006 Nov 30, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The Holy Spirit guides the Church Christ founded (see Matt.16:18) The Holy Spirit also guides individuals. Individuals can fall away. The Church cannot (see Matt. 16:18)
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There is NO reference here to the Holy Spirit at all. The Holy Spirit ONLY works in the hearts of christians. NOt in an institution. The Holy Spirit guides christians(individually), This is the church. The biblical definition of a church is a (called out assembly). What man is the 'leader of the RCC?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#406007 Nov 30, 2012
Gotta run. Later.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#406008 Nov 30, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>NOw maybe some of you people will understand why I say that those who get saved receive the "spirit" of Christ instead of being Baptised or Filled with the Holy Ghost.
and people like marge doesnt know what she is talking about.there is a difference between receiving the "spirit" of Christ and being filled with the Holy Ghost
Preston,

Also, the Apostle Paul:

Acts 19:6

6 When Paul placed his hands on them,[[[the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.]]]
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#406009 Nov 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Not nasty, just sayin'........ Tell me YOUR STORY: about HIS GLORY. When were you first convicted of your need to be saved? When did you come to saving faith in Jesus? Have you had a life changing experience? Do you KNOW that if you died tonight, that you would go to heaven? What is the GOOD NEWS for Anthony?
Yes, praise God, I have experienced all of these things by His grace through His Body, the Church. But I think your evangelical schtick is what St. James was talking about.
dr fill

Mount Prospect, IL

#406010 Nov 30, 2012
World around us wrote:
What is the percentage of priests who are abnormals and sex perverts?
I would venture to say that 50% of priest are child molesters.And 25% of the remaining 50% are homo's.And the pope is well aware of what goes on.So he should be in jail.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406011 Nov 30, 2012
preston wrote:
Philip went into Samaria to preach the Gospel there. While he was there, miracles and wonders occurred by his ministry, and demons were cast out of many people. As a result they were baptized.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
They supposedly already "received" the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:14-16 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Here is what occurred after the two apostles arrived.
Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
The above experience shows us that one does not "receive the Holy Ghost" automatically when one is baptized
preston

lol. Don't get mad.....But that is very Catholic of you.(smile)

You do know in Catholicism Confirmation is a process(generally) in younger folks, and the laying on of hands by the priest(traced back to the apostles) more or less is a sign and seals the process of receiving the Holy Ghost.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#406012 Nov 30, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>You might want to add
Acts 10:44-48
King James Version (KJV)
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Have to understand your baptisms, 7th...

Acts 10:46-47

46 For they heard them ~~~speaking in tongues~~~ and praising God.

Then Peter said,

47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.[[[[[They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”]]]]] going back to Acts Chapter 2.....APOSTLES
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#406013 Nov 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>So do you believe that one can live a 'life' of sin and still be a christian? OSAS? I don't.
Not unless they repent. Is there a point in time before the end of ones life where it becomes too late? What's the difference between a baptist preacher who has an adulterous affair for 2 weeks or two years if they both repent?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#406014 Nov 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>There is NO reference here to the Holy Spirit at all. The Holy Spirit ONLY works in the hearts of christians. NOt in an institution. The Holy Spirit guides christians(individually), This is the church. The biblical definition of a church is a (called out assembly). What man is the 'leader of the RCC?
Thanks for your opinion.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406015 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>I am in your debt however, as I am appreciating how much more progressive God is in dealing with "slavery" contrasted with other cultures at the time this verse(you like so much,lol)/law was given....
That statement moved you higher on the list! How stupid can you really be? You must be a poe.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>Just a note, slavery as we perceive the word today is not the same as when this law was written.(I would explain further, but...,
since what I write means nothing to you. I will keep silent.)
Let's see:
1500BCE One person could own another.
1500CE One person could own another.
That is the same.

1500BCE The master could legally sell his slave.
1500CE The master could legally sell his slave.
That is the same.

1500BCE The master could legally own slave and pass that slave and the slaves offspring off to his heirs.
1500CE The master could legally own slave and pass that slave and the slaves offspring off to his heirs.
That is the same.

1500BCE The master could legally kill his slave.
1500CE The master could legally kill his slave.
That is the same.

1500BCE The master could legally sell the slave's wife and child.
1500CE The master could legally sell the slave's wife and child.
That is the same.

I am not seeing the how the meaning of the word has changed. So the true reason of why you will not explain the difference, is because there is no difference. You are either a liar or an idiot.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406016 Nov 30, 2012
DEFENDER of Blessed MARY wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert writes "... how much more progressive God is in dealing with slavery"
No Robert, "progressive" would be God condemning the immorality of slavery, period.
But if your god can only make it relatively less cruel than other cultures (in your mind only, btw), then you are referring to a weak, waffling god.
Maybe the same god who couldn't destroy chariots because they were made of iron?
His statements confuse me. Is he really that stupid, that gullible, or a poe?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#406017 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
Thanks for your response....
My immediate reply is that which you quote, Romans 10:9
" That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Since it is God that knows the heart of an infant, and an infant is not able to confess..., as his knowledge and understanding are not yet developed, infant baptism is legitimate because of the heart....It is kind of a glass half full/half empty issue. And since God's Grace is more than sufficient for salvation, let God have the Glory....
Another way to put it, if one is brain damaged, so that knowledge of sin is eliminated, does that make them ineligible for salvation, again by God's Grace, and God knowing the heart? I think yes. To God be the Glory.
But that brings us to sin. And the sense of sin. I am really glad you brought this up. I am studying this at this time....I am finding the older I get, the more quickly I know something is a sin. And ifwhen I sin, the more quickly I seek penance.
But sin and the sense of sin is growing duller in our culture, and seems the world over....I might attribute it to the destructiveness of the last century(although we think of technology as advancement), all the wars and dedication to them the world over seems like it was on the rise....What do you think?
Robert,

If God says with "YOUR MOUTH" then that is what He means....

We do not have the authority to charge that....an infant cannot confess with THEIR MOUTH....

Confessing Christ is so important....

"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also CONFESS BEFORE MY FATHER who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before my Father who is in heaven."

We surely want Jesus to CONFESS us before our Father who is in heaven....

If we deny Christ and not CONFESS with OUR MOUTHS, then we are going to be lost....

Look how important this is:

"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when he comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."

An infant/small child cannot understand all of this....

Listen to the Apostle Peter:

"Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."

What Christ pleased by his confession???

ABSOLUTELY!!!

No disrespect but I do not see how anyone can justify infant/small child's baptism....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406018 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Free Mind good friend
Oh alright.....I was writing to Michael, and he wasn't listening. So I didn't want to repeat myself for nothing....
My answer is this....I respect their decision. They have free-will to choose. Although I don't think they are well informed, and thus makes them foolish....Let me explain:
Consider it this way....What is more important?
If one must break the speed law in order to save a life, which is the wiser course of action?
If one must break civil law(being a "citizen") in order to save a life one concludes the priority is correct, while being informed.
But which is more important civil law, or religous law? In our case it is an "inalienable" right to have religion, therefore religion trumps civil law. And this again is a prioritized list.
So atheists deny not only God/religion, but they reject the civil law prioritizing religion....In other words they are uninformed or misinformed in their decision. This makes them foolish in their choices....
I've noticed that you like to use analogies that only play to your religion.

Religious laws do not trump civil laws, but only in your mind.

Please provide a citation to the fact that shows what you have said to be factual, true and "law".

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406019 Nov 30, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> The Holy Spirit ONLY works in the hearts of christians. NOt in an institution. The Holy Spirit guides christians(individually), This is the church.
Can you provide any factual support to support your speculation?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406020 Nov 30, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>You might have bit off more than you can chew on this topic you choose here Free Mind.
Catholics do not want to believe that Mary was an ordinary woman,the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception already launches Mary into that semi divine state no other human being can enter.
I have always believed that Mary being a Jewish woman,born in sin as the rest of us,is even with a greater testimony of faith in regards to her Son.Because it was in her virginity that He was kept in a holy state,and since sin is passed through the male seed,the woman' virgin state is the sacred temple of His conception.
Mary's compliance with allowing her body to receive that Holy Seed from God the Holy Spirit,knew her state as the Handmaiden of the LORD.She knew that God is her Savior,and that His using her in the Holiest Plan of Salvation,includes hher salvation as well,and what greater testimony could Mary have than to not only know the Savior but to be saved from sin herself.
Mary represents humanity in a way that no other woman could possibly know,she bears in her womb the Holy Child Jesus,and she is saved from sin,knowing the new life within,but actually experiencing the full pregnancy of God the Son in her body.What could be more blessed,no other woman can testify to the magnitude of what Mary experiences in the full development of the Life of Christ in her womb in the state of pregnancy.
It is more glorious that Mary like all women born of human flesh was saved from sin,and was chosen to bear in her body the Holy One of Israel. Sin is of no obstacle to God her Father,as she yielded complete contro of her body and soul to HIM who saves,as He is the only Savior.Jesus would be the ONE who had to purchase our salvation with His own body,flesh and blood.But Mary had the priviledge to experience salvation from sin through the Father,the prophet Isaiah calls the ONLY Savior.
Mary is blessed,beyond words with the magnitude of her salvation from sin,and being the Mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,who laid down His life for our salvation.It is doubly wondrous for Mary in that she experienced from the Father salvation,and she later watches her beloved Son go through the horrible torture of His entire being for the salvation of all humanity!
Pad good friend

Here is something you might consider, and others....We all know that Mary is Blessed because of being the Mother of Jesus. It is a rather common acceptance by all Christians be they Protestants,or Catholics, non-denominational....

But Jesus makes a teaching of such circumstances, and Luke 11:28

"But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.",

is a greater reason for being blessed.

We can enter into the same relationship of Mary and Jesus, which is being hearers and keepers of the word of God....Remember she heard, through the angel the Word of God, and responded, "May it be done unto me, according to thy Word." And this is even more of a reason for her being called blessed. And we too are blessed....that is happy.

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