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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#405865 Nov 29, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
If God as you claim is the creator of all, than God created the devil.
ps are there daily services at your church?
There are services on Sunday AM. and PM Wednesday PM.

the Ethnic group is there on Thursday PM.

God did create Lucifer...and he rebelled against God.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405866 Nov 29, 2012
Father Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for staying on topic.
"... ye shall know them by their deeds."
Jesus certainly did NOT lead the Vatican to issue an official statement a few years ago -- about how the child sex-abuse scandal was an invention of the American media.
Logic 101....
If Jesus really appointed and guides an institution which systematically covered up world-wide child sex abuse for so, so long -- then what does that say about Jesus?
I refuse to believe that the Jesus of the Jefferson Bible is such a creep, no mater what Catholics insist.
Don't the hate logic!?!? LOL! Especially when you can use the bible to prove how unchristlike they are!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405867 Nov 29, 2012
Father Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree.
I may not understand the morality behind it, but if the Bible is unerring, then I must agree.
Now I just have to rationalize the (supposed) immorality of slavery and why neither Father nor Son spoke out against it.
I can do that.
Rationalization is the key! How can I rationalize slavery, rape and murder? And after I do that, how can I convince the Atheists that they are evil?
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405868 Nov 29, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a bit of a thickie, aren't you?
Why am I against murder? Let's pretend that you sincerely need an answer for that.
1. I don't want to be murdered.
2. I don't want my family to be murdered.
3. I don't want my friends to be murdered.
4. I don't want people I know to be murdered.
5. I don't want strangers to be murdered.
Oh! You wanted me to say, cause god said not to murder, right? But then I can quote many parts of the bible were your god demanded that people be murdered.
The bible is cool! You can justify any horror that you want, just by knowing the proper verse, from the proper translation.
Sadly, so can everyone else.
Without the benefit of the Bible, how did the ancient Greeks know that murder was immoral?

How did the Chinese know? How did the rest of Asia know?

How did any civilization ever form and grow, without the benefit of the Bible?

And if the Bible is such a good source of morality, why do Catholic-majority countries have the highest murder rates in the world?

I'm so confused.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405869 Nov 29, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Upset?!? Afraid?!?! With someone who has no influence on my life. I wouldn't waste the energy. I will waste enough energy to laugh at you and call you an idiot.
Now, you made a very stupid statement. In fact, you made several. I don't need to know too much about you to say, "That was f'ing stupid!"
Saying things like, "I hate your god.", "I cannot be moral or if I am, I got my morals from your god." or "I hate being moral.", is pretty damn stupid. I don't feel any emotion from your writings.
I am a bit confused. I am trying to figure out if you are stupid or if you are playing stupid. A good vocabulary, accurate spelling and grammar do not mean that you are intelligent or educated, just means that you are good at those things.
Your statements are you credentials.
TBS

Thank you.

I try to keep my grammer, rhetoric, and logic when writing....Its part of the liberal arts....

By the way, I still don't know what a poe is?

I think, as I was writing Michael you noticed I wrote something about atheists concerning moral law..., true? If it is not, then your mind is imagining something I wrote directly to you....

By the way, something you might like to try is a bit of temperance in your writing. It would go a long way in strengthening the character of your views. You would be respected a bit more as well....But its your choice.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405870 Nov 29, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
TBS
Do you concur?
There you go! How can anyone take you seriously when you say the dumbest things?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405871 Nov 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>God did create Lucifer...and he rebelled against God.
No, man created both lucy and god.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405872 Nov 29, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Without the benefit of the Bible, how did the ancient Greeks know that murder was immoral?
How did the Chinese know? How did the rest of Asia know?
How did any civilization ever form and grow, without the benefit of the Bible?
And if the Bible is such a good source of morality, why do Catholic-majority countries have the highest murder rates in the world?
I'm so confused.
Me too! How could it be?
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405874 Nov 29, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The last time God revealed Himself (as one of us) we tortured and killed Him.
If He appeared in the sky tomorrow, people will look to the Vatican for answers, trust me .
Then, most likely, WWIII will break out because Muslims will think God Just gave the sign to attack Israel. Atheist will say it wasn't a sign at all, but just a natural event.(Fatima 1917)
OMG!!! Not Fatima again?

The Church wanted to get rid of Communism. Hitler had just invaded Russia, so the Vatican concocted an absurd story that would curry favor with Mussolini, his pal Hitler, and hopefully help their mutual cause.

So they made up an absurd story that upon inspection, makes Mary sound like a narcissistic slut -- and you believe it!!! Shame on you for ever thinking Mary would be so self-centered as to say:

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI."

Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz!!! World devotion to ME, or World War Two?

The humble and devoted young Jewish girl of the Bible would NEVER say such a thing.

Shame on you and the RCC!!!!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405875 Nov 29, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
TBS
Thank you.
I try to keep my grammer, rhetoric, and logic when writing....Its part of the liberal arts....
By the way, I still don't know what a poe is?
I think, as I was writing Michael you noticed I wrote something about atheists concerning moral law..., true? If it is not, then your mind is imagining something I wrote directly to you....
By the way, something you might like to try is a bit of temperance in your writing. It would go a long way in strengthening the character of your views. You would be respected a bit more as well....But its your choice.
I wonder... How does one find out something that they don't know? Maybe a little research would do the trick? Naw! Maybe some self-adulation would work?

Why would I worry about what you think of my writings? You don't seem to worry too much about what the bible says; unless of course it agrees with your point of view, then it is as if god is speaking directly to you! But if you do not like it; then there is something wrong with the reader, the translation, or some other such bullshit.

No worries. I will just quote your god.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405876 Nov 29, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Truth wrote:
If you can’t lose your salvation, why is Satan STILL tempting you today??????????
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Citation please.
....Or probably more accurately, this will be another post that you skip by, or change the topic, or some other diversion tactic to avoid answering.
In honesty, you should change your name to one that is more appropriate for your responses.
<quoted text>
Yep - avoiding the question with more non-answers.
FYI - the Book of Job basically shows us how "God" and "Satan" like to play with humans as toys and part of their game.
If one lets it happen, it probably will.
If one strives to succeed without these character's involved, one will realize that they will.
But the funny thing about the success, the person will probably give credit to "God" and if they failed, they seem to not give the credit to "Satan". Why is that?
A: because they know deep down inside that that failure was of their own making and doing. Nothing more or nothing less.
But being a so-called "Christian", you have a false sense of security through men, that has caused this.
In a nutshell, your dishonesty will only cause more hatred of others.
IMO - you sound as if "Satan" has "his" grip around you and hasn't let go.
NASL good friend

lol

How so very wrong you have the Book of Job!

How so very blind, that you put God and Satan, playing a game, as equals!

Gnosticism at its best is the worst sort of darkness....
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405877 Nov 29, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Me too! How could it be?
I don't know.

Maybe one of the deeply enlightened ones can explain it -- how civilizations from Ancient Greece and China to today could possibly figure out that murder is immoral -- without the benefit of the Bible.

Deep.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405878 Nov 29, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I can understnd this, because I also believe there is no god that controls this world - only men do.
Unfortunately, many a man, believe that one does, even though they can never explain why, if such a god exists, "He" doesn't stop wars, famine, poverty, homelessness, murder, kids freezing to death trying to get home, etc.
They would just rather blame it on men, even though out of the other side of their mouth, they say "God" created us.
They are so confused in their belief, they only believe what they do, because they want to be part of a larger lie.
Shoot - if honesty is a good example - it is far and few between with the posters on this forum, barring any recent posters sincerity (i.e "Clay").
NASL

If God created a circle, then it can't be a square.
If God created a stick, then it must have two ends.
If God created free-will, then there must be good and bad.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#405879 Nov 29, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder... How does one find out something that they don't know? Maybe a little research would do the trick? Naw! Maybe some self-adulation would work?
Why would I worry about what you think of my writings? You don't seem to worry too much about what the bible says; unless of course it agrees with your point of view, then it is as if god is speaking directly to you! But if you do not like it; then there is something wrong with the reader, the translation, or some other such bullshit.
No worries. I will just quote your god.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
(Mark 7:9) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.

Jesus also criticizes them for washing their hands before eating.

Imagine how much human suffering would have been avoided if Jesus had taught some very basic personal hygiene -- instead of criticizing it!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#405880 Nov 29, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Without the benefit of the Bible, how did the ancient Greeks know that murder was immoral?
How did the Chinese know? How did the rest of Asia know?
How did any civilization ever form and grow, without the benefit of the Bible?
And if the Bible is such a good source of morality, why do Catholic-majority countries have the highest murder rates in the world?
I'm so confused.
As if we couldn't have figured out rules of conduct ourselves.

Thous shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods.....
Thou shalt not steal....

all no brainers!

Moses carved these stones up himself, and claimed he ran up an down a mountainside to get them from God, everyone thought he was a hero.

If the stones were chisled in a primative way from God does that mean God was primative back in the day?

end of story.


“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405881 Nov 29, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
When one is baptised in water, aren't sins washed away?
That inludes, past, present, and future....How far into the past?
Two questions:
What about original sin?(Isn't it in the nature of fallen man to sin?)
When does one start to sin after they are born.? Day one, day 8, day 10...?
I know this post wasn't to me, but it did catch my eye as a helpful starting point for others.

It is good to ask questions.....but more importantly, it is also good to be able to understand them as well.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
I think where I am going with these questions is that it is the Grace of God that saves.
How do you know this? Is this a perception you acquired through your studies of various cultures, or just throguh the CCC?

I don't think anyone can answer in the way you expect, unless they know the mind of "God", like you imply you do - so why express it with such veracity?
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Another way to put it is that God's Faithfulness is vaster than the Creation, and man's faithfulness is at best but a mustard seed....
WOW!! Where does this come from?

Citation please.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Why can't you believe that a baby cannot be baptised and saved?

If a little one never did anything to anyone, in order for it to be justified 'to be saved through baptism', what does it matter?

Are you thinking that baptism secures salvation for infants, until they can make their Confirmation of that baptism?

Wouldn't you think that "God", if the baby died before it was baptised, would still accept the baby, instead of "God" sending "His" new creation straight to some unfounded "place of torment"?

Doesn't sound like you have much 'faith' in your "God" to do the right thing at all.
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Have the faith of a mustard seed?
If you had used GoThomas, you will see that Jesus explains the meaning of the "seed":
(20)

(1) The disciples said to Jesus: "Tell us whom the kingdom of heaven is like!"
(2) He said to them: "It is like a mustard seed.
(3) <It> is the smallest of all seeds.
(4) But when it falls on cultivated soil, it produces a large branch (and) becomes shelter for the birds of the sky."

Do you have an different opinion of the meaning behind this seed?
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think it is the water that washes sins away?
I don't. Water in many cultures and in antiquity represents:
- cleansing
- love
- purity
- life

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405882 Nov 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
God did create Lucifer...and he rebelled against God.
Where's your proof?

Have you ever researched the origin of "Lucifer"?

I did supply you with a couple of links to get you started, but as a "good little Christian" you refused to acknowledge them.

Now, whose fault is that if you don't understand the truth?
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#405883 Nov 29, 2012
The Supremacy of Jesus Christ

Nov

29

2012

He will glorify Me ...—John 16:14

The holiness movements of today have none of the rugged reality of the New Testament about them. There is nothing about them that needs the death of Jesus Christ. All that is required is a pious atmosphere, prayer, and devotion. This type of experience is not supernatural nor miraculous. It did not cost the sufferings of God, nor is it stained with “the blood of the Lamb”(Revelation 12:11). It is not marked or sealed by the Holy Spirit as being genuine, and it has no visual sign that causes people to exclaim with awe and wonder,“That is the work of God Almighty!” Yet the New Testament is about the work of God and nothing else.

The New Testament example of the Christian experience is that of a personal, passionate devotion to the Person of Jesus Christ. Every other kind of so-called Christian experience is detached from the Person of Jesus. There is no regeneration— no being born again into the kingdom in which Christ lives and reigns supreme. There is only the idea that He is our pattern. In the New Testament Jesus Christ is the Savior long before He is the pattern. Today He is being portrayed as the figurehead of a religion— a mere example. He is that, but He is infinitely more. He is salvation itself; He is the gospel of God!

Jesus said,“... when He, the Spirit of truth, has come,... He will glorify Me ...”(John 16:13-14). When I commit myself to the revealed truth of the New Testament, I receive from God the gift of the Holy Spirit, who then begins interpreting to me what Jesus did. The Spirit of God does in me internally all that Jesus Christ did for me externally.

Wisdom from Oswald Chambers

If there is only one strand of faith amongst all the corruption within us, God will take hold of that one strand. Not Knowing Whither

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405884 Nov 29, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Without the benefit of the Bible, how did the ancient Greeks know that murder was immoral?
How did the Chinese know? How did the rest of Asia know?
How did any civilization ever form and grow, without the benefit of the Bible?
And if the Bible is such a good source of morality, why do Catholic-majority countries have the highest murder rates in the world?
I'm so confused.
You aren't confused FM - although you do bring up specific points that are valid when debunking a belief and to show how it is unfounded.

Keep it up - you are most welcome here.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405885 Nov 29, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
No, man created both lucy and god.
Man created "God" - I agree they did.

Man created "Lucy"?

The "I Love Lucy" show? Yes.

"Lucy" the hominid? Hmmmm.....how?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus...

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