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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406036 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
The Bible is about
Learning about Jesus...
No. The Bible is about many things, Jesus is just one topic.

But your 60 years of servitude didn't seem to teach you that the OT is a Jewish book, did it - which has nothing to do with Jesus.

Please remember that the NT was created - "as a new covenant" and disposes of the old [the OT].

So in essence, the NT is about Jesus only.

What is no longer true in the Bible?
preston

Athens, OH

#406037 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Truth"
Hey Preston,
If I may....
Philip could NOT impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit to others.
Acts 8:13
13 Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere,[[[[[astonished by the ~~~~~great signs and miracles~~~~~ HE SAW.]]]]]
Only the apostles had the ability to impart the POWER of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands.
Acts 8:14
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God,~~~~~they sent Peter and John to Samaria.~~~~~
The apostles sent Peter and John....
Why????
Only by the laying on of the apostles' hands was the POWER of the Holy Spirit given.
Preston, look at this verse carefully:
Acts 8:18
18 When Simon <<<SAW>>> that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money.
Now, do we see the ~miraculous powers~ being performed today???
NO!!!
WHY???
The ~~~miraculous powers~~~ CEASED to continue once those who had been given this POWER DIED as the POWER could not be passed on.
**********
Check out your teachers, Truth. That is just an excuse people use to 'explain' why 'they' themselves have no power. God is just as real today as He was in Acts 2.
This promise (of the Holy Ghost is "FOR YOU, AND FOR YOUR CHILDREN, AND FOR THOSE AFAR OFF (TODAY), AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL."
Seek and ask...you will find...
the thread is actually not about "POWER" per se.

how about addressing the real problem that he and others have and it concerns the doctrine of people receiving the Holy Ghost(forget about Power)when they get saved, when the bible indicates otherwise.

and I am certain that you along with your wife have seen people get Baptised with the Holy Ghost, without any Prests being involved.

and no smart alec remarks, be serious or be quiet.

this is the Bible and the Holy Ghost we are discussing.

they deserve that respect.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406038 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Truth"
God is just as real today as He was in Acts 2.
...and you will provide some sort of proof of this claim?

Maybe you should take a chance and promote your so-called "evidence" on this other very popular Topix Forum.

I personally don't think you will last 5 minutes in there.

That is probably why you haven't presented your theory, but just boasting you "know God" and what "He" can and can't do.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
preston

Athens, OH

#406039 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
Ah....fine point....A quick response if one is dumb, they cannot confess in a literal sense. If they have no arms, they cannot confess in writing....So how could one then confess with the mouth?
A baby in unable to speak, and write.
For your point they could not literally be saved....
Robert, why would you try and equate a person who may have a physical handicap and not be able to speak to that of a baby.

I have a friend who can not speak yet was one of the finest dancers in our group, something(dance) that no infant could do.

so if leon got Saved(he isnt, tho his son in law is a Preacher), God would know it, wouldnt He?

no one would have to tell God, sabe?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406040 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
Ah....fine point....A quick response if one is dumb, they cannot confess in a literal sense. If they have no arms, they cannot confess in writing....So how could one then confess with the mouth?
A baby in unable to speak, and write.
For your point they could not literally be saved....So we go to a mental affirmation(confession), and if one cannot affirm(confess) mentally it goes to a spiritual confession....
Thus preaching to one in a coma, they may still spiritually confess, and be saved....Consider John the Baptist while in the womb "leaped" when in the presence of Jesus in the womb....Luke 1:44
"For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy."
We all have defects, of the body, mind, and spirit....That is why a confession takes place
Consider more deeply John the Baptist, facing death, heard from Jesus the news in Matthew 11:5
"The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them."
These are not only physical, but mental and spiritual defects. So the basis for what you say is "confession of the mouth" actually has a deeper meaning....
That is why a baby can be baptised, or someone in a coma, or someone dumb,....etc.
"For your point they could not literally be saved....So we go to a mental affirmation(confession), and if one cannot affirm(confess) mentally it goes to a spiritual confession....
Thus preaching to one in a coma, they may still spiritually confess, and be saved...."

*pictures Robert spinning around like a top*

That was purty.

All you had to say was "Self", but you just couldn't bring it to openly say it, huh?

What are you afraid of?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406041 Nov 30, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>That is not the case with me brother! I have seen the transformation in your posts as to what God can do in a man like you. Praise God for His dealings with you,and what He has accomplished in and through you. If Paul the Apostle called himself a s l a v e of Christ,it is because he knew that our attitude toward Jesus should be as a slave who does everything to serve his master. However in the case of our Lord and Brother Jesus we are more than slaves,but brothers with Him,that is so wondrous isn't it?
The whole issue of slavery is really quite hard for us who never knew it to understand.We were slaves to sin though,and that can be how we identify with slavery as free men and women.
Did you see Lincoln yet? The movie of course. It is worth seeing if you haven't.
Pad good friend

I have been studying the issue lately about slavery. The word "slavery/servant" was hard to translate from the Hebrew into English....

In O.T., times, the term slavery was held in two basic meanings, the first as an indentured servant....someone would pay off their debts by becoming a "slave", and secondly when a country conquered another, the people became "slaves"( and in order to keep rebellions from happening, punishment was inflicted).

Actually, our term for slavery as we understand it today was forbidden in the O.T. That it was punishable by death to trade slaves!
preston

Athens, OH

#406042 Nov 30, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
...and you will provide some sort of proof of this claim?
Maybe you should take a chance and promote your so-called "evidence" on this other very popular Topix Forum.
I personally don't think you will last 5 minutes in there.
That is probably why you haven't presented your theory, but just boasting you "know God" and what "He" can and can't do.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
perhaps jesus was talking about them and you?

Matthew 15:14

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406043 Nov 30, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
"Do penance: and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with very many other words did he testify and exhort them, saying: Save yourselves from this perverse generation. 41 They therefore that received his word were baptized: and there were added in that day about three thousand souls."

**********

Read the whole chapter, Anthony. Peter was speaking about the gift of the Holy Ghost. Joel and Isaiah prophesied it, John Baptist preached it, Jesus promised it, and the Apostles received it in the Upper Room...NOT in a baptismal font.

KayMarie
KayMarie

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406044 Nov 30, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>Robert, why would you try and equate a person who may have a physical handicap and not be able to speak to that of a baby.
I have a friend who can not speak yet was one of the finest dancers in our group, something(dance) that no infant could do.
so if leon got Saved(he isnt, tho his son in law is a Preacher), God would know it, wouldnt He?
no one would have to tell God, sabe?
preston

I was discussing with Truth about infant baptism. At this point in our discussion it is touching on confessing one's sins....

It appears his not understanding it has something to do with confessing one's sins, which neither a baby nor a very handicapped person can do in the LITERAL sense....So one goes deeper, and finds a mental confession, and deeper still is one of a spiritual confession(say in the case of a person in a coma).

It is also in trying to know what depth one is confessing....Some people just give lip service, some mental, some spiritual....Thus in the case of a baby, baptism is valid on a more spiritual depth, as they can't speak, or are limited mentally(lack of knowledge)....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#406045 Nov 30, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>perhaps jesus was talking about them and you?
Matthew 15:14
Nah - just "them" - I wasn't born yet......sorry to disappoint you.

Why the diversion from the question?

Afraid to answer honestly?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406046 Nov 30, 2012
who="preston" as gif could affirm what I am saying also.
laypersons also lay hands on many people who have received the Holy Ghost.it is not something that is only reserved for a special few.
there is also Praying and those praying need to be able to reach Heaven with their prayers and that person who is wishing to receive the Holy Ghost better have a thirst, or it will be a waste of time.
unless a person wishes to "die out to self" they will not be sanctified to the Will of God, therefore they will not be Filled with the Holy Ghost

**********

Agree. Jesus said that He would give us the desires of our heart. Also that they who hunger and thirst after righteousness, SHALL be filled. Our desire must be to be filled with His righteousness, and He will not disappoint us.

KayMarie

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#406047 Nov 30, 2012
DEFENDER of Blessed MARY wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert writes "... how much more progressive God is in dealing with slavery"
No Robert, "progressive" would be God condemning the immorality of slavery, period.
But if your god can only make it relatively less cruel than other cultures (in your mind only, btw), then you are referring to a weak, waffling god.
Maybe the same god who couldn't destroy chariots because they were made of iron?
Free Mind/Defender

Your mind is locked....Slavery in the O.T., is not what we think of it today. The type of slavery you are thinking about today, back in O.T. times was punishable by death, according to God's law to Moses....

The term slave in the O.T., is more akin to what we perceive of as an indentured servant. But even that is not quite it....A slave was someone who was trying to pay their bills, and was working a deal with those to whom the bill was owed.
Michael

Canada

#406048 Nov 30, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
That statement moved you higher onhis heirs.
1500CE The master could legally own slave and pass that slave and the slaves offspring off to his heirsthe meaning of the word has changed. So the true reason of why you will not explain the difference, is because there is no difference. You are either a liar or an idiot.
Sheep:



It wasn't that long agonThe roman catholic church branded people as heretics who believed the earth wasn't flat, or later that the sun did not revolve around the earth.
Today, the church accepts married couples have sex without the idea of creating children, but they reject the idea that they can use contraceptives.

Not to long ago, the church LEADERS moved pedophiles around to different parishes, protecting the pedophiles and not the children they abused.

It is also intolerable TODAY that the church rejects the ability of one half of our population (women) to serve vital roles in their church, because the old boys clique, in reality don't want any part of women in their club.

...How many ways can we point at illogical ideas by these old men who hate women equal to themselves, before they understand they are harming people more than they are aiding them.

As the old catholic women move off with their attitudes "WHAT EVER THEY SAY IS OK WITH ME JACK" and young catholic women come aboard, its obvious young women today are already in the hunt to bring equality to all, and the biggest LOSER will be the church itself.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#406049 Nov 30, 2012
who="preston"the thread is actually not about "POWER" per se.
how about addressing the real problem that he and others have and it concerns the doctrine of people receiving the Holy Ghost(forget about Power)when they get saved, when the bible indicates otherwise.
and I am certain that you along with your wife have seen people get Baptised with the Holy Ghost, without any Prests being involved.
and no smart alec remarks, be serious or be quiet.
this is the Bible and the Holy Ghost we are discussing.
they deserve that respect.

**********

406037 is a bit confusing. Gif did not write that; Truth did. I don't know why two names show up like that. The first name makes it appear that Gif is writing. Then Truth's name appears, and it is he who is speaking to you.

We have one friend who received the Holy Ghost in bed one night. Another received the Holy Ghost while alone at home. She lived 6,000 miles from me; never heard a sermon, had no church to go to, and only our E mails and God to help her. It is, after all, GOD's work, not mans.

Certainly the Bible and the Holy Ghost are worthy of the utmost respect.

KayMarie

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406050 Nov 30, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Free Mind/Defender
Your mind is locked....Slavery in the O.T., is not what we think of it today. The type of slavery you are thinking about today, back in O.T. times was punishable by death, according to God's law to Moses....
The term slave in the O.T., is more akin to what we perceive of as an indentured servant. But even that is not quite it....A slave was someone who was trying to pay their bills, and was working a deal with those to whom the bill was owed.
Wow! We were allowed to kill our indentured servants? I did not know that!
Michael

Canada

#406051 Nov 30, 2012

Why is it OK for a catholic priest in Maryland to deny communion to a lesbian at her parents funeral, but its alright for gay catholic clergy to give themselves holy communion and dispense it to others at all other church services?

People wonder why so many roman catholics are bailing?

UNBELIEVABLE!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#406052 Nov 30, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Sheep:
It wasn't that long agonThe roman catholic church branded people as heretics who believed the earth wasn't flat, or later that the sun did not revolve around the earth.
Today, the church accepts married couples have sex without the idea of creating children, but they reject the idea that they can use contraceptives.
Not to long ago, the church LEADERS moved pedophiles around to different parishes, protecting the pedophiles and not the children they abused.
It is also intolerable TODAY that the church rejects the ability of one half of our population (women) to serve vital roles in their church, because the old boys clique, in reality don't want any part of women in their club.
...How many ways can we point at illogical ideas by these old men who hate women equal to themselves, before they understand they are harming people more than they are aiding them.
As the old catholic women move off with their attitudes "WHAT EVER THEY SAY IS OK WITH ME JACK" and young catholic women come aboard, its obvious young women today are already in the hunt to bring equality to all, and the biggest LOSER will be the church itself.
I don't know, Michael. It amazes me that people of even less than moderate intelligence cannot see it!
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#406053 Nov 30, 2012
ALL AMERICANS WILL RECEIVE A MICROCHIP IMPLANT IN 2013 PER OBAMACARE

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A major news story broke on AOL and countless other mainstream news media outlets, this past week, that the Obama Health Care Bill will require all U.S. citizens and babies to receive a microchip or Medchip by March 23, 2013. Whether or not the microchip requirement in the bill is implemented by 2013, remains to be seen.

In 2010, my book “Are You Ready for the Microchip?” was released, and I asked the question,“Is the microchip implant hidden in the Healthcare Bill? Are newborn children starting in 2013 going to receive a microchip shortly after birth?” Then in the book, I wrote,“ In the massive US HEALTHCARE BILL, which your elected representatives voted for without reading, there is a section titled: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521 – National Medical Device Registry which states:
The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.


The language is deliberately vague, but it provides the structure for making America the first nation in the world that would require every U.S. citizen to receive an implanted radio-frequency (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling medical care.

A number of states like Virginia, have passed “stop the mark of the beast legislation” in an effort to stop this kind of legislation.

As with numerous other things that I have written and spoken about based on solid documentation, I am regularly challenged by some, and especially those in the Christian community, who are clueless about what is going on. Their criticism has never prevented me from presenting the facts, because I never take a poll about what I write or speak on. A Christian is called to speak the truth in love, whether or not it is accepted. I am not trying to disparage any ministry, but I don’t determine what I say based on whether or not it is “seeker friendly,” or popular. The only issue is, is it true and is it wise to communicate it at that particular time?

There are many things that I could say, but don’t, because there many people in our nation who, when confronted with a truth that is outside the box of their socially engineered consciousness, go into cognitive dissonance. As the microchip implant moves closer day by day, along with the “manufactured crisis” of illegal immigration, the problems of states like Arizona are creating an environment where Senators Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) are moving legislation forward that would require all U.S. workers, citizens and resident alike, to obtain and carry a National Biometric ID Card in order to work within the United States. It does not matter where you stand on the issue of amnesty or immigration, everyone is going to have to have a National Biometric ID Card that will eventually contain an RFID transmitter which will allow Big Brother electronic data bases to track all of your personal information. It is a simply a national ID card under another name. The national ID card will transition into a microchip implant, because that is technically more efficient. All of this which is about to happen very soon, is just the tip of the iceberg.
preston

Athens, OH

#406054 Nov 30, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="preston"the thread is actually not about "POWER" per se.
how about addressing the real problem that he and others have and it concerns the doctrine of people receiving the Holy Ghost(forget about Power)when they get saved, when the bible indicates otherwise.
and I am certain that you along with your wife have seen people get Baptised with the Holy Ghost, without any Prests being involved.
and no smart alec remarks, be serious or be quiet.
this is the Bible and the Holy Ghost we are discussing.
they deserve that respect.
**********
406037 is a bit confusing. Gif did not write that; Truth did. I don't know why two names show up like that. The first name makes it appear that Gif is writing. Then Truth's name appears, and it is he who is speaking to you.
We have one friend who received the Holy Ghost in bed one night. Another received the Holy Ghost while alone at home. She lived 6,000 miles from me; never heard a sermon, had no church to go to, and only our E mails and God to help her. It is, after all, GOD's work, not mans.
Certainly the Bible and the Holy Ghost are worthy of the utmost respect.
KayMarie
then you would agree that no catholic priests nor any apostles were present when those that you spoke of received the Holy Ghost.

and as I read your post, one that you mentioned was in a bed, and therefore was not being Baptised while in bed.

another example of God working in a persons life and I also told hank that I received the Holy Ghost while I was in bed.

I dont think that anyone should limit God as to when He Works,in bed, at an altar or elsewhere.

when a person committs all, then God will meet that persons desire
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#406055 Nov 30, 2012
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ALL AMERICANS WILL RECEIVE A MICROCHIP IMPLANT IN 2013 PER OBAMACARE

President Ronald Reagan refused to pass what he called this “Mark of the Beast” legislation. In my book,“Are You Ready for the Microchip?,” I examine the careful wording in the Health Care Bill which calls for a Med-Chip and a microchip implant. It was never hidden, it is simply Republican and Democrat, along with our corporate-controlled and Orwellian media, who deliberately chose to ignore it. The Bilderberg Group gave orders to microchip the entire U.S. population and then the world. Before the Health Care Bill was passed, the target date was set for the year 2013, when every baby born in the U.S. will receive a microchip at birth. Many are attacking President Obama for this, but although it is the Obama Health Care Bill, the microchip plan was created decades ago and put onto the fast track by the Republican Administration of President George Bush and his allegedly “born-again” Attorney General, John Ashcroft, after 911. It seems Ashcroft was more concerned about covering up the breasts of a Lady Liberty statue in the hallway of the Department of Justice, than he was about protecting our Constitutional liberties, which include the freedom of religion.

RFID Chip Implantation already being used today.


Unfortunately, Evangelical Christians make excellent political pawns because they focus on secondary issues, rather than the important issues. This is because Evangelical Christianity in America today does not have a truly Biblical worldview. I truly do not want to sound unkind, but the historical reality is that Evangelical Christians have played the part of what Lenin called “useful idiots.” Obviously, this is not what God planned for His people. But, by rejecting a Biblical worldview, the Scripture,“My people perish for lack of knowledge,” is fulfilled. The majority of Evangelical Christians in America have a very superficial faith as a result of what they are being taught in many of their churches and seminaries.

Glass-encased RFID chips, ready for implantation.

The new microchip technology with an RFID chip is so advanced it sounds like science fiction. The Apostle Paul explains how this fits into Revelation 13, where the False Prophet will head a one world religion and force people to accept the mark of the beast. A microchip implant, biochip implant or med chip, in and of itself, is not necessarily the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast under the direction of the False Prophet, requires the conscious rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord and a commitment to worship the Antichrist as God.

If you still thinking this is a lie feel free to check out the H.R. 3200 PDF file

click on this link

Scroll down to page 1000, the writing for the RFID chip starts half way on page 1000.

The challenge for Christians and others will be the very act of taking a microchip implant, biochip implant or med chip, simply because of its parallel to the Biblical mark of the beast. Will people of faith be exempted for religious reasons or will they be forced to take it or imprisoned. In addition, any microchip technology could be activated with enhanced controls after it is implanted. So what starts out as a simple microchip implant could become a technology where at some future time, you must worship the Antichrist as God, and reject Jesus Christ as Lord in order to participate in the economic system. The built-in and evolving capacity of microchip technology makes this a dangerous possibility.

In the final analysis, the simple act of accepting the implantation of a microchip for medical reasons appears harmless on the surface. However, there is no guarantee that once it is implanted, that it will not be activated for mark of the beast technology. This is the danger and challenge that lies before us.

Source: http://www.newswithviews.com

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