Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405684 Nov 28, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You know - I was part of that "transition generation" from VHF/UHF to cable and you know - I think you have a point here.
I was limited in my 'outside access' because of the limitations coming into my household, thus was captured by what my parents thought to be right.
I saw through it after the outside was now within my home. This then became 'my journey'- to find the answers to the questions that couldn't be answered, or were answered with "God can".
The fallacy/charade/illusion was known to me and it brought enlightenment - like me eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge.
I had escaped the darkness. I am now free.
I feel the same way; just no god required.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405685 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Michael good friend
I am a bit tired, and the day is well spent for me.
Some people prefer a rather direct address, though I consider all to be friends.
I am glad you noticed.
Some people are put off by the thought of having a "good friend". And they don't know how to respond....
Its sometimes the very simple things that confound people....
I must sign off for now but will be back again tomorrow, God willing....
Sometimes, I wonder; are you a poe, a troll, a fundie, or just heavily indoctrinated.

To tell me that I do not have morals or that I hate 'morality' laws or god, is just plain stupid. Not just a little bit stupid; way over the top stupid.

"Some people are put off by the thought of having a "good friend". And they don't know how to respond..."

Stupidity Part II.

Who? Just because they don't like you?

No matter what words you try to impress with, your statements prove you true lack of intelligence. You wear your vocabulary like a mask; unfortunately, your mask has your true identity written all over it. You act as if you are disguising your obvious stupidity.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405686 Nov 28, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>

Most american catholics and many priests believe celebacy should be optional. Many roman catholics believe women could be ordained priests. The pope screams NO!
Movements around the world have catholics wanting more autonomy within the churh and that lay people have more say on who their parish priest and bishop is.
Big changes are coming, and its the people in the pews who want the changes.
As I have told you over and over before, NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to be a Catholic. If these (so-called) priests , nuns and lay-people that you (speak of) don't like the doctrine, teachings, and beliefs of the Catholic Church,------"THERE is the door--and be sure that it doesn't hit you in the butt" on the way out". They can find a "politically correct"---- Protestant Church, just down the street that will tell them "exactly what they want to hear" or that these rebellious and defiant "ex-catholics" can "picket"--carry signs" and voice their "personal opinion" that only adds to the 42,000+ inconsistent and contradicting "what I believe" beliefs!!! This hodge-podge of chaos and confusion of bible only (self-interpretation of the bible) has infected the Protestant denominations, with, abortion, euthenasia, women ministers, gay marriage, embroyonic stem cell research, gay preachers, and God (only knows) whats next--whichever way the A"political wind" happens to blow!!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#405687 Nov 28, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel the same way; just no god required.
~~~

Feelings are deceitful...The just does not live by his five senses..

he lives by faith...and is led by the Holy Spirit of God...

Abraham is an example of faith...believing God

Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405688 Nov 28, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Peace to you as well, my friend.
Did you read the link from the Catechism? It cites the scriptural references and explains the meaning of Christ's descending to the dead (hell). As you know, the Profession of Faith (Nicene Creed) differs slightly in its wording from the Apostles' Creed, but they're essentially the same. It is our Profession of Faith that we recite every Sunday at Holy Mass. The Apostles' Creed is prayed at other times and sometimes at children's Masses.
I think it might have been mentioned here once, as far as I recall. But that was quite a while ago. I agree, it would be interesting to hear the Protestant take on it.
Hell was simply the grave that the Lord descended to and ascended.

Acts ch:2

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405689 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You have no proof that purgatory ever did exist in any reference from the Bible...
all you have is presumptions, assumptions...imaginations...
and conjecture..
Instead of inventing a loophole for the sinner....Why not
just get Born again and obey the words of Jesus?
Then you wont need to depend upon and imaginary escape from hell...
~~~
Those that are truly born again will not have to stand in judgment,..
They will be pre-judged ....before they are caught away in the first resurrection...
.The Bride of
Christ, will be deemed worthy to enter into the presence of the Lord,
partake of the Marriage supper of the Lamb, and escape the seven years of tribulation that will come upon the earth..
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
can you are anyone show me where it says anything about seven years of tribulation that will come upon the earth ?

To my knowledge it only speaks of time, times and half time, 3.5 years or 1260 days of tribulation.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405690 Nov 28, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Noooo! I really hope he is ok. This would be a great time for all of us to unite in prayer for Herm and Sera.
Amen ---Clay and KayMarie! This is a time to "unite in Jesus Christ and in prayer, despite our differences!

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#405691 Nov 28, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not a socialist, I am a capitalist. Strike 1.
You say we are not a species, so then you believe that homo-sapiens as we are have always existed and there never were Neandrathal, or homo erectus, prior to our current position? Is that what you are saying?
Robert says.....
Why do Muslim countries ban it, communist countries, crush it out, socialism try to neutralize it.
Michael says...
All religious people in america should be joyful in celebrating the fact that we live in a secular society that allows all religious people to practice their religion and those that have no religion in peace without fearing imposition of someone elses belief upon them. This would not be allowed in a theocracy. The catholic church itself is a theocracy.
Example, women are allowed to attend and participate in catholic church traditions and customs but ARE NOT ALLOWED to create or participate in any policy making whatsoever in church papal documents, canon laws, or rules and regulations pertaining to the catholic church. I can't believe that TODAY we still have some women that submit to this archaeic theocracy way of thinking. American catholic nuns themselves have been most vocal on this policy, as have the NEWLY formed roman catholic american priest association AUSCP.
When the most holy of catholics priests and nuns start questioning the authority of the roman catholic church, it is clear that there are many deep seated serious issues within the walls of the church.
Most american catholics and many priests believe celebacy should be optional. Many roman catholics believe women could be ordained priests. The pope screams NO!
Movements around the world have catholics wanting more autonomy within the churh and that lay people have more say on who their parish priest and bishop is.
Big changes are coming, and its the people in the pews who want the changes.
Michael, you bring up some very good points. Perhaps you could give me your opinion on this: A priest once told me that cavemen did not have souls - how could he possibly know that? Even if it were true, and I don't believe it is, at what point did God "place a soul" in man's body? Who got the "first" soul? Honestly, the more I hear nonsense like that, the more I believe the RCC is nothing more than another version of Aesop's Fables. Does the church really think any halfway rational person would believe such lunacy? I ask you because you're obviously sensible and realistic. It was ridiculous teachings like this that pushed me right out of that cult - and yes, I think it's no more than a man-made cult, a cult of human-fabricated beliefs and a ton of naive misunderstandings. One, true religion? NO SUCH THING. I'm truly interested in your opinion if you find time to answer this. Thanks in advance.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#405692 Nov 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen ---Clay and KayMarie! This is a time to "unite in Jesus Christ and in prayer, despite our differences!
The Bible says.

Mat_18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Upon the above words of Jesus...We agree with you in prayer for Hermi's healing and complete restoration of His health.

In Jesus name

Amen

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#405693 Nov 28, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Hell was simply the grave that the Lord descended to and ascended.
Acts ch:2
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
~~~

Question ..

If (as you say) hell was only grave and that is as far as Jesus descended...

How do you explain...

Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights

==>in the heart of the earth....?

again explain

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

___

Further how did this happen...

if the tomb was the "hell" that Jesus went to while he was dead?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1Pe 3:19 ==>By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. <==

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#405694 Nov 28, 2012
JaciKJ wrote:
Blah blah blah
30Nov12.....

.....By George, BobLoblah dinks dat she's got hit.

Ps:.....goot fer you 'crackiJ'....go to da front of da eeejits class.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#405695 Nov 28, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH to you too.
30Nov12.....

.....do NOT take da name of BobLoblah in vain.

Ps:...Ever.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#405696 Nov 28, 2012
who="hojo"
Amen ---Clay and KayMarie! This is a time to "unite in Jesus Christ and in prayer, despite our differences!

**********

Agree. The enemy wants to destroy us because we represent Jesus in this world. He doesn't care about our differences. If we put differences first, we are only helping him to destroy us.

Pray for Israel. I understand that the U.N. is voting on splitting Jerusalem tomorrow. Pray for Herme, and pray for this nation.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#405697 Nov 28, 2012
who="Sherlayne"
Michael, you bring up some very good points. Perhaps you could give me your opinion on this: A priest once told me that cavemen did not have souls - how could he possibly know that? Even if it were true, and I don't believe it is, at what point did God "place a soul" in man's body? Who got the "first" soul? Honestly, the more I hear nonsense like that, the more I believe the RCC is nothing more than another version of Aesop's Fables. Does the church really think any halfway rational person would believe such lunacy? I ask you because you're obviously sensible and realistic. It was ridiculous teachings like this that pushed me right out of that cult - and yes, I think it's no more than a man-made cult, a cult of human-fabricated beliefs and a ton of naive misunderstandings. One, true religion? NO SUCH THING. I'm truly interested in your opinion if you find time to answer this. Thanks in advance.

**********

An easy one: Gen. 2:7 God made man of the dust of the ground. Then God breathed His breath into that body, "and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL."

KayMarie

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#405698 Nov 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Seraphima,I am glad your husband is getting much better.Sometimes we have to go through things which seem to be bad news,to wake up about things around us.i do not blame you for not wanting to get on the computer and haggle over religilosity and so on.It bothers me as well,but I often think it might just open a few eyes to the broader truth as to why we are argueing in the first place.
hs will be missed if he does not come on here,as he added so much.I personally learned a lot about your Orthodoxy through both you and him.I hope you have a blessed Christmas,will look up on a claender to see when the Orthodox Christmas is celebrated.
Believers are certainly all important one to another,no matter what our affiliation is,we are individuals who have made a decision to either follow Jesus to the end or follow Him at what ever level we are at in our development.Either way we can learn from one another,as our Christian faith is a minority in this world,and God knows how we should actually come together rather than be apart.Sometimes we have to sort through the incidentals to reach a firmer stand of unity as believers.
It is not easy with all of our differences,but Jesus bids us to love one another,even as He loves the Body or the Church as it were.
Again take care,and enjoy your family this Christmas! Say hello to hs for me,I miss him here.
Thank you so much ,Pad, for your kind words.From the heart thank all of you that pryed for me. I had a very close call. My wife kept me up yo date on who0 here were praying for me, who here was emailing her, etc, and helped me immensely to get through.I still am on oxygen, but I am home. he lung disease I have is not as serious as what the previous doctors diagnosed.At first the other doctor thought I had contracted something rare that can get progressively worse and can often be terminal.The disease they diagnosed is not terminal though it has a pretty long period of rehabilitation.

This is the fourth life our Saviour has given me. First when I was born, second when I was told I had cancer, the third was this last bout, and the fourth, most important life He gave me was a new life in Him.

Its hard to express my gratitude to so many. Please know that I know each of your kindnesses and that they filled my heart.

Please know that the Lord, our God and Saviour is very real. Thank you Son of David for having mercy on me a sinner.May the uthor of Life cotinue to shed His mercy and compassionate bliessinmgs on you all.

marge

Ames, IA

#405699 Nov 28, 2012
woohoo Hermi!

Thank you Jesus!

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#405700 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Sherlayne"
Michael, you bring up some very good points. Perhaps you could give me your opinion on this: A priest once told me that cavemen did not have souls - how could he possibly know that? Even if it were true, and I don't believe it is, at what point did God "place a soul" in man's body? Who got the "first" soul? Honestly, the more I hear nonsense like that, the more I believe the RCC is nothing more than another version of Aesop's Fables. Does the church really think any halfway rational person would believe such lunacy? I ask you because you're obviously sensible and realistic. It was ridiculous teachings like this that pushed me right out of that cult - and yes, I think it's no more than a man-made cult, a cult of human-fabricated beliefs and a ton of naive misunderstandings. One, true religion? NO SUCH THING. I'm truly interested in your opinion if you find time to answer this. Thanks in advance.
**********
An easy one: Gen. 2:7 God made man of the dust of the ground. Then God breathed His breath into that body, "and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL."
KayMarie
Believe me, it's not my intent to argue with you. I'm only providing info that a priest told me regarding cavemen not having souls. How can anyone know that?

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#405701 Nov 28, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you so much ,Pad, for your kind words.From the heart thank all of you that pryed for me. I had a very close call. My wife kept me up yo date on who0 here were praying for me, who here was emailing her, etc, and helped me immensely to get through.I still am on oxygen, but I am home. he lung disease I have is not as serious as what the previous doctors diagnosed.At first the other doctor thought I had contracted something rare that can get progressively worse and can often be terminal.The disease they diagnosed is not terminal though it has a pretty long period of rehabilitation.
This is the fourth life our Saviour has given me. First when I was born, second when I was told I had cancer, the third was this last bout, and the fourth, most important life He gave me was a new life in Him.
Its hard to express my gratitude to so many. Please know that I know each of your kindnesses and that they filled my heart.
Please know that the Lord, our God and Saviour is very real. Thank you Son of David for having mercy on me a sinner.May the uthor of Life cotinue to shed His mercy and compassionate bliessinmgs on you all.
I'm so happy to hear your good news! This Christmas will be a special one for sure! God bless.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#405702 Nov 28, 2012
marge wrote:
woohoo Hermi!
Thank you Jesus!
TRULY THANK YOU JESUS!!!!!!!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#405703 Nov 28, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm so happy to hear your good news! This Christmas will be a special one for sure! God bless.
THNK YOU AND MAY CHRIST BLESS YOU

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