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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Dec 11

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#405698 Nov 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Seraphima,I am glad your husband is getting much better.Sometimes we have to go through things which seem to be bad news,to wake up about things around us.i do not blame you for not wanting to get on the computer and haggle over religilosity and so on.It bothers me as well,but I often think it might just open a few eyes to the broader truth as to why we are argueing in the first place.
hs will be missed if he does not come on here,as he added so much.I personally learned a lot about your Orthodoxy through both you and him.I hope you have a blessed Christmas,will look up on a claender to see when the Orthodox Christmas is celebrated.
Believers are certainly all important one to another,no matter what our affiliation is,we are individuals who have made a decision to either follow Jesus to the end or follow Him at what ever level we are at in our development.Either way we can learn from one another,as our Christian faith is a minority in this world,and God knows how we should actually come together rather than be apart.Sometimes we have to sort through the incidentals to reach a firmer stand of unity as believers.
It is not easy with all of our differences,but Jesus bids us to love one another,even as He loves the Body or the Church as it were.
Again take care,and enjoy your family this Christmas! Say hello to hs for me,I miss him here.
Thank you so much ,Pad, for your kind words.From the heart thank all of you that pryed for me. I had a very close call. My wife kept me up yo date on who0 here were praying for me, who here was emailing her, etc, and helped me immensely to get through.I still am on oxygen, but I am home. he lung disease I have is not as serious as what the previous doctors diagnosed.At first the other doctor thought I had contracted something rare that can get progressively worse and can often be terminal.The disease they diagnosed is not terminal though it has a pretty long period of rehabilitation.

This is the fourth life our Saviour has given me. First when I was born, second when I was told I had cancer, the third was this last bout, and the fourth, most important life He gave me was a new life in Him.

Its hard to express my gratitude to so many. Please know that I know each of your kindnesses and that they filled my heart.

Please know that the Lord, our God and Saviour is very real. Thank you Son of David for having mercy on me a sinner.May the uthor of Life cotinue to shed His mercy and compassionate bliessinmgs on you all.

marge

Leesburg, GA

#405699 Nov 28, 2012
woohoo Hermi!

Thank you Jesus!

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

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#405700 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Sherlayne"
Michael, you bring up some very good points. Perhaps you could give me your opinion on this: A priest once told me that cavemen did not have souls - how could he possibly know that? Even if it were true, and I don't believe it is, at what point did God "place a soul" in man's body? Who got the "first" soul? Honestly, the more I hear nonsense like that, the more I believe the RCC is nothing more than another version of Aesop's Fables. Does the church really think any halfway rational person would believe such lunacy? I ask you because you're obviously sensible and realistic. It was ridiculous teachings like this that pushed me right out of that cult - and yes, I think it's no more than a man-made cult, a cult of human-fabricated beliefs and a ton of naive misunderstandings. One, true religion? NO SUCH THING. I'm truly interested in your opinion if you find time to answer this. Thanks in advance.
**********
An easy one: Gen. 2:7 God made man of the dust of the ground. Then God breathed His breath into that body, "and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL."
KayMarie
Believe me, it's not my intent to argue with you. I'm only providing info that a priest told me regarding cavemen not having souls. How can anyone know that?

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#405701 Nov 28, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you so much ,Pad, for your kind words.From the heart thank all of you that pryed for me. I had a very close call. My wife kept me up yo date on who0 here were praying for me, who here was emailing her, etc, and helped me immensely to get through.I still am on oxygen, but I am home. he lung disease I have is not as serious as what the previous doctors diagnosed.At first the other doctor thought I had contracted something rare that can get progressively worse and can often be terminal.The disease they diagnosed is not terminal though it has a pretty long period of rehabilitation.
This is the fourth life our Saviour has given me. First when I was born, second when I was told I had cancer, the third was this last bout, and the fourth, most important life He gave me was a new life in Him.
Its hard to express my gratitude to so many. Please know that I know each of your kindnesses and that they filled my heart.
Please know that the Lord, our God and Saviour is very real. Thank you Son of David for having mercy on me a sinner.May the uthor of Life cotinue to shed His mercy and compassionate bliessinmgs on you all.
I'm so happy to hear your good news! This Christmas will be a special one for sure! God bless.

Since: Dec 11

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#405702 Nov 28, 2012
marge wrote:
woohoo Hermi!
Thank you Jesus!
TRULY THANK YOU JESUS!!!!!!!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#405703 Nov 28, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm so happy to hear your good news! This Christmas will be a special one for sure! God bless.
THNK YOU AND MAY CHRIST BLESS YOU
Pad

Fishers, IN

#405704 Nov 29, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you so much ,Pad, for your kind words.From the heart thank all of you that pryed for me. I had a very close call. My wife kept me up yo date on who0 here were praying for me, who here was emailing her, etc, and helped me immensely to get through.I still am on oxygen, but I am home. he lung disease I have is not as serious as what the previous doctors diagnosed.At first the other doctor thought I had contracted something rare that can get progressively worse and can often be terminal.The disease they diagnosed is not terminal though it has a pretty long period of rehabilitation.
This is the fourth life our Saviour has given me. First when I was born, second when I was told I had cancer, the third was this last bout, and the fourth, most important life He gave me was a new life in Him.
Its hard to express my gratitude to so many. Please know that I know each of your kindnesses and that they filled my heart.
Please know that the Lord, our God and Saviour is very real. Thank you Son of David for having mercy on me a sinner.May the uthor of Life cotinue to shed His mercy and compassionate bliessinmgs on you all.
You however, are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people He claims for His o w n to proclaim the glorious works, of the One who called you from darkness into His marvelous light.

Once you were no people, but now you are God's people; once there was no m e r c y for you,but now you have found mercy. 1 Peter 2: 9-10.

NOW to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, to Him be g l o r y in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations forever and ever! AMEN
Ephesians 3:20-21.

No one who believes in H I M will be put to shame.Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Romans 10:13.

God is in the business of bringing us to a place where we recognize His voice and respond to it,thus becoming a believer.

You have been brought to the depths as it were of yourself,when we have a near end experience,it shows us where we are,and perhaps where we are going that is if we are open.You have been opened up as it were to His reality,and in your dilemna you cried out to Him.

I hope you are able to get around at home. Take care of yourself.Glad to hear from you!DAN.

>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>.......

Since: Nov 08

usa

#405705 Nov 29, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only did 12 apostles never preach in a church, the leader Jesus never set foot inside a catholic church, and never did he ever rest or worship on a Sunday.
Catholics claim Jesus gave Peter the keys to the church. They had keys back then? Doors hadn't yet been invented. All they had were hanging beads on strings between entrance ways (lol)
Christianity squeezed all the Jew out of Jesus and made him their own.
sorry for answering so late,been sick,anyway i was not just reffering to the c.c. i meant any church,and as far as the key goes it was the keys to the kingdom,and the gates of hell will not prevail against it,from what history tells us about the unspoken truth of the catholic church the gates of hell are wide open.any organization that hides child abuse has the devil as it's leader.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#405706 Nov 29, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is just more of your distorted history of lies, deceit and spin that you are so "famous for" Michael. Jesus 1st Church at Antioch..........JETHRO:as i posted in the past,if you read the history of this church, it was a christian church captured by the roman empire and forced to become an unwilling part of the catholic church.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#405707 Nov 29, 2012
HOJO:you constantly say "bible only",why i don't know,ok try this,forget the bible exists and all the words in it,now "PROVE GOD/JESUS AND THE C.C. ARE ONE"
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405708 Nov 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Question ..
If (as you say) hell was only grave and that is as far as Jesus descended...
How do you explain...
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights
==>in the heart of the earth....?
again explain
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
___
Further how did this happen...
if the tomb was the "hell" that Jesus went to while he was dead?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 ==>By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. <==
The heart of the earth (heart of the earth is not the grave by itself) is

when Jesus started suffering for the sins of the world in the Garden of

Gethsemane Jesus stated now is the hour of darkness. speaking of the from

the time Christ sweat the tears of blood when Gods protecrion wase rmoved

until the first day of the week at his resurrection from the grave,. Of

course they are not a full 24 hour day as some would believe.
The same as Jonah was a captive to the whale. He was in that dark,

hopeless environment for three days and three nights the same way that

Jesus was in the clutches of the world, the clutches of the lost world,

for three days and three nights

Below those gifts of the spirit that are manifested in diffrent ways.

Ephesians 4:8

Therefore he says, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive,

and gave gifts unto men.

Judges 5:12 'Wake up, wake up, Deborah! Wake up, wake up, break out in

song! Arise, O Barak! Take captive your captives, O son of Abinoam.'

Psalm 68:18 When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train; you

received gifts from men, even from the rebellious--that you, O LORD God,

might dwell there.

Proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up

the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his

cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name,

and the name of his son? Tell me if you know!

Ephesians 4:11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be

prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,

Colossians 2:15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a

public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Ephesians 4:9

(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into

the lower parts of the earth?

saiah 44:23 Sing for joy, O heavens, for the LORD has done this; shout

aloud, O earth beneath. Burst into song, you mountains, you forests and

all your trees, for the LORD has redeemed Jacob, he displays his glory in

Israel.

Ezekiel 31:14 Therefore no other trees by the waters are ever to tower

proudly on high, lifting their tops above the thick foliage. No other

trees so well-watered are ever to reach such a height; they are all

destined for death, for the earth below, among mortal men, with those who

go down to the pit.

John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from

heaven--the Son of Man.

Psalm 63

8My soul follows close after you: your right hand upholds me.

9But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts

of the earth.

10They shall fall by the sword: they shall be a portion for foxes.

continued
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405709 Nov 29, 2012
continued: with cross references

Psalm 139

5You have hedged me behind and before, and laid your hand upon me.

6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto

it.

7Where shall I go from your Spirit? or where shall I flee from your

presence?

8If I ascend up into heaven, you are there: if I make my bed in Sheol,

behold, you are there.

9If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of

the sea;

10Even there shall your hand lead me, and your right hand shall hold me.

11If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be

light about me.

12Yea, the darkness hides not from you; but the night shines as the day:

the darkness and the light are both alike to you.

13For you have formed my inward parts: you have covered me in my mother's

womb.

14I will praise you; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous

are your works; and that my soul knows right well.

15My frame was not hid from you, when I was made in secret, and skillfully

wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

The same phrase is used of Christ's descent into this world, into the womb

of the virgin, where his human nature was curiously wrought by the finger

of the blessed Spirit, Ephesians 4:9.

1 Peter 3:17

For it is better, if the will of God be so, that you suffer for well

doing, than for evil doing.

1 Peter 4:19So then, those who suffer according to God's will should

commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good

1 Peter 3:18

For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that

he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive

by the Spirit:

1 Peter 3:19

Some have thought this means that when Jesus died on the cross, He didn’t

really die, He altered His state into the spirit, He went down into hell,

He preached to the people who lived before the flood that they might have

a second chance. This is a bizarre teaching that came out of the Jesuit

theology years ago. Now let me tell you what it does mean. He says He,

Christ, through the Holy Spirit, preached to spirits who were in prison.

You and I are spirits, and if we’re not saved we’re imprisoned by the

devil, just like Peter was imprisoned and the angel came to set him free.

You can also see in Isaiah 61, part of the ministry of Christ, it says: He

came to set the captives free and opening the prison to them that are

bound. Isaiah 61:1. So it’s simply saying that part of the work of

Christ was to try to save people, even during the time of Noah, through

the same Spirit He tried to save those people whose spirits were

imprisoned by the devil. He’s not talking about how their ghosts were in

hell, chained up, or anything.

1Pe 3:20

Who formerly were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited

in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, by which a few,

that is, eight souls were saved through water.

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy

fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world

and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

Luke 17:26"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the

days of the Son of Man.

Genesis 6:8

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

1 Peter 4:6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those

who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard

to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405710 Nov 29, 2012
continued:

1 Peter 4

1For as much then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm

yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the

flesh has ceased from sin; 2That he no longer should live the rest of his

time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3For the

time past of our life may suffice us to have worked the will of the

Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine,

revelings, parties, and abominable idolatries: 4Wherein they think it

strange that you run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking

evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the

quick and the dead. 6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to

them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the

flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


Barnes' Notes on the Bible
For, for this cause - The expression, "For, for this cause," refers to an

end to be reached, or an object to be gained, or a reason why anything

referred to is done. The end or reason why the thing referred to here, to

wit, that "the gospel was preached to the dead," was done, is stated in

the subsequent part of the verse to have been "that they might be judged,"

etc. It was with reference to this, or in order that this might be, that

the gospel was preached to them.

Was the gospel preached also to them that are dead - Many, as Doddridge,

Whitby, and others, understand this of those who are spiritually dead,

that is, the Gentiles, and suppose that the object for which this was done

was that "they might be brought to such a state of life as their carnal

neighbors would look upon as a kind of condemnation and death" -

Doddridge. Others have supposed that it refers to those who had suffered

martyrdom in the cause of Christianity; others, that it refers to the

sinners of the old world (Saurin), expressing a hope that some of them

might be saved; and others, that it means that the Saviour went down and

preached to those who are dead, in accordance with one of the

interpretations given of 1 Peter 3:19. It seems to me that the most

natural and obvious interpretation is to refer it to those who were then

dead, to whom the gospel had been preached when living, and who had become

true Christians. This is the interpretation proposed by Wetstein,

Rosenmuller, Bloomfield, and others. In support of this it may be said:

(1) that this is the natural and obvious meaning of the word dead, which

should be understood literally, unless there is some good reason in the

connection for departing from the common meaning of the word.

(2) the apostle had just used the word in that sense in the previous

verse.

continued
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405711 Nov 29, 2012
continued to GIF

(3) this will suit the connection, and accord with the design of the

apostle. He was addressing those who were suffering persecution. It was

natural, in such a connection, to refer to those who had died in the

faith, and to show, for their encouragement, that though they had been put

to death, yet they still lived to God. He therefore says, that the design

in publishing the gospel to them was, that though they might be judged by

people in the usual manner, and put to death, yet that in respect to their

higher and nobler nature, the spirit, they might live unto God. It was not

uncommon nor unnatural for the apostles, in writing to those who were

suffering persecution, to refer to those who had been removed by death,

and to make their condition and example an argument for fidelity and

perseverance. Compare 1 Thessalonians 4:13; Revelation 14:13.

That they might be judged according to men in the flesh - That is, so far

as people are concerned,(&#954;&#945 ;&#964;&#945;&#768 ; &#945;&#787;&#957; &#952;&#961;&#969; &#769;&#960;&#959; &#965;&#962; kata anthro&#772;pous,) or in respect to

the treatment which they received from people in the flesh, they were

judged and condemned; in respect to God, and the treatment which they

received from him,(&#954;&#945;& #964;&#945;&#768; &#920;&#949;&#959; &#768;&#957; kata Theon,) they would live in spirit.

People judged them severely, and put them to death for their religion; God

gave them life, and saved them. By the one they were condemned in the

flesh - so far as pain, and sorrow, and death could be inflicted on the

body; by the other they were made to live in spirit - to be his, to live

with him. The word "judged" here, I suppose, therefore, to refer to a

sentence passed on them for their religion, consigning them to death for

it. There is a particle in the original - &#956;&#949;&#768; &#957; men, "indeed" - which has

not been retained in the common translation, but which is quite important

to the sense: "that they might indeed be judged in the flesh, but live,"

etc. The direct object or design of preaching the gospel to them was not

that they might be condemned and put to death by man, but this was indeed

or in fact one of the results in the way to a higher object.

But live according to God - In respect to God, or so far as he was

concerned. By him they would not be condemned. By him they would be made

to live - to have the true life. The gospel was preached to them in order

that so far as God was concerned, so far as their relation to him was

concerned, so far as he would deal with them, they might live. The word

live here seems to refer to the whole life that was the consequence of

their being brought under the power of the gospel:

contiued
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405712 Nov 29, 2012
continued: yes I used several sights off the URL links til I found what I was wanting get across.

(a) that they might have spiritual life imparted to them;

(b) that they might live a life of holiness in this world;

(c) that they might live hereafter in the world to come.

In one respect, and so far as people were concerned, their embracing the

gospel was followed by death; in another respect, and so far as God was

concerned, it was followed by life. The value and permanence of the

latter, as contrasted with the former, seems to have been the thought in

the mind of the apostle in encouraging those to whom he wrote to exercise

patience in their trials, and to show fidelity in the service of their

master.

In the spirit - In their souls, as contrasted with their body. In respect

to that - to the flesh - they were put to death; in respect to their souls

- their higher natures - they were made truly to live. The argument, then,

in this verse is, that in the trials which we endure on account of

religion, we should remember the example of those who have suffered for

it, and should remember why the gospel was preached to them. It was in a

subordinate sense, indeed, that they might glorify God by a martyr's

death; but in a higher sense, that in this world and the next they might

truly live. The flesh might suffer in consequence of their embracing the

gospel that was preached to them, but the soul would live. Animated by

their example, we should be willing to suffer in the flesh, if we may for

ever live with God.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
Was the Gospel preached also to them that are dead - This is a most

difficult verse; the best translations I have seen of it are the

following:-

"For this indeed was the effect of the preaching of the Gospel to the

dead,(the unconverted Gentiles), that some will be punished as carnal

men; but others,(those converted to Christianity), lead a spiritual life

unto God." - Wakefield.

"For this purpose hath the Gospel been preached even to the dead,(i.e.

the Gentiles), that although they might be condemned, indeed, by men in

the flesh,(their persecutors), yet they might live eternally by God in

the Spirit." - Macknight.



In other words they were dead in their sins and for those who put there

trust and faith in Christ will be redeemed from shilou/grave. In the

second death when Christ destrys them for a final time and they perish the

smoke of their torment goes up forever and they cease to exist. That is

their eternal grave.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405713 Nov 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible says.
Mat_18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Upon the above words of Jesus...We agree with you in prayer for Hermi's healing and complete restoration of His health.
In Jesus name
Amen
The Bible says.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Do you concur?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405714 Nov 29, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston asked me last time why I brought up osas and he even said we should drop it because it doesn't accomplish anything because we disagree on it....so I did and haven't talked about it since then.
and here we are again...
Glad you spoke with Preston....

This is between you and him...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405715 Nov 29, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
Yes. Jesus did have the Authority.
I think the point is here that the thief was repentent. And he accepted Jesus as blameless, that they both were going to die, and wanted to be remembered when Jesus came into His Kingdom....
This is the the essence of Christian belief, in Jesus Christ as our salvation.
Yes, because of his belief and repentance, I believe Jesus saved him (forgiving his sins) as Jesus had the authority to forgive sins on earth.....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405716 Nov 29, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not live my life depending on quotes from the bible.
If going 5 mph over the speed limit is a sin then thats about all I have done wrong in the last while.
If you have sin, why not share it with us? You are willing to share it with a stranger in the confessional, why not share it with us, your friends?
So sorry Michael....I don't use a confessional...but you are welcome to use one if you so desire....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405717 Nov 29, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Truth"
If you can’t lose your salvation, why is Satan STILL tempting you today??????????
**********
We don't even have to bring OSAS into the picture for that one. Satan tempts people because IF they fall for it, and do wrong:
(1)They shame God before people.
(2)They hurt others.
(3)They bring pain and/or death upon themselves.
KayMarie
Sorry, KayMarie, they won't believe you though....

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