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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 646673 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#405671 Nov 28, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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lol, I saw that. They just gave them to you again. Someone's playing games, just ignore them. Join in the discussion, Preston! I agree that it would be nice to talk about something different for a change.
Christ descended to the dead, he preached the Good News to the just souls awaiting their redemption, for the gates of Heaven to be opened to them.
ReginaM
Peace

Just a thought before I sign off, when did the New Creation begin, in a real and a metaphysical sense?

I will see you tomorrow God willing....

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405672 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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Thus they have no use for moral law, and detest it being in the Bible and Supreme Court.
That is just stupid.
Michael

Canada

#405673 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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Michael
I am sorry. I did not intend to say, or imply(subliminally) that you were an atheist.
However, your calling human beings a "species", makes me think in a scientific/biologic sense, and atheists tend to gravitate toward that way of thinking.
Thus they have no use for moral law, and detest it being in the Bible and Supreme Court.(There is a branch of moral law which is nihilistic..., but I have not gone into it.)
Your "crying out in the wilderess", message of equality for believers and non-believers, just is not going to work. Christianity stands out, that was why the Roman Empire sought to destroy it. It did not conform to your message of equality. And it is for this reason, Christianity did not go into the Pantheon of the gods of Rome. It doesn't conform to the rules of men, their rulers, and rules of this world....
This fight goes on today. So the question you should answer is why? Why do Muslim countries ban it, communist countries, crush it out, socialism try to neutralize it, democratic countries tolerate it? Christianity is just too different....
Just a thought..., Maybe your toleration is only a reflection of your "democratization, and is shifting toward socialism which "neutralizes"....
Stand up for Jesus, as the song goes, but also bend the knee....Remember....Remember what you did in the RCC.
I am not a socialist, I am a capitalist. Strike 1.

You say we are not a species, so then you believe that homo-sapiens as we are have always existed and there never were Neandrathal, or homo erectus, prior to our current position? Is that what you are saying?

Robert says.....

Why do Muslim countries ban it, communist countries, crush it out, socialism try to neutralize it.

Michael says...

All religious people in america should be joyful in celebrating the fact that we live in a secular society that allows all religious people to practice their religion and those that have no religion in peace without fearing imposition of someone elses belief upon them. This would not be allowed in a theocracy. The catholic church itself is a theocracy.

Example, women are allowed to attend and participate in catholic church traditions and customs but ARE NOT ALLOWED to create or participate in any policy making whatsoever in church papal documents, canon laws, or rules and regulations pertaining to the catholic church. I can't believe that TODAY we still have some women that submit to this archaeic theocracy way of thinking. American catholic nuns themselves have been most vocal on this policy, as have the NEWLY formed roman catholic american priest association AUSCP.

When the most holy of catholics priests and nuns start questioning the authority of the roman catholic church, it is clear that there are many deep seated serious issues within the walls of the church.

Most american catholics and many priests believe celebacy should be optional. Many roman catholics believe women could be ordained priests. The pope screams NO!

Movements around the world have catholics wanting more autonomy within the churh and that lay people have more say on who their parish priest and bishop is.

Big changes are coming, and its the people in the pews who want the changes.






“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405674 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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Hello NASL
It all comes down to the way of thinking, and not being within faith for you....
Of course thinking and the correct teaching are important, and some are taught that way from the start, and become quite capable, but the faith comes first for most. And when approached correctly, faith with reason is the way....
Here you go again, making up another supposition about me - "...and not being within faith for you..."
- when did you arrive inside my mind?
- BTW - this is Self, if you think the first part of your first statement is true - "It all comes down to the way of thinking, and not being within faith".
- And yes I have "faith" - everyone does....I am not different than you in that regard. It is just my faith lies in a belief that has given me more - IMO - evidence worthy of believing them to be true. Whereas, you set aside that evidence and only accept what certain men have presented for you to believe and then place faith in those words. Sounds to me you have your 'faith' in men instead of Jesus.

"And when approached correctly, faith with reason is the way..."
- reason, logic and accuracy are more correct traits.
- I use reason, in my faith, everyday. Logic and accuracy came naturally as I researched what I chose to believe. And that doesn't mean to only use a certain selection of texts (as you do), nor does it mean to only use a certain selection of sources that are outside the belief being researched - as one can find nuggets of information and possible details where one least expects it.
preston

Athens, OH

#405675 Nov 28, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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lol, I saw that. They just gave them to you again. Someone's playing games, just ignore them. Join in the discussion, Preston! I agree that it would be nice to talk about something different for a change.
Christ descended to the dead, he preached the Good News to the just souls awaiting their redemption, for the gates of Heaven to be opened to them.
here is an interesting prophecy given centuries before.

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Is 26:19

and we know (I think we know) that those who came out of the graves came out after Jesus, since He is the First Fruit.

and we know(I think we know) that these men, probably women too, were Holy Saints that were known(I think)in that Holy City.

now we come to the hard part.

Jesus Preached to those who were left(I think) and those are ,or will be waiting for the Great Resurrection, I think.

guess that anyone can tell how sure that I am.lol

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405676 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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Michael
lol....You don't get it....NASL thinks its just a mind game, where one can play the 10 Commandments is just some perception, or thought....
You take it as that, or a species defect....That isn't much better, except you added the condition "imperfect beings", which give it a "better" sound.
Your either/or scenario....lol.
It is a moral law..., still in the Bible, and in the U.S. Supreme Courtroom(much to the dislike of atheists.
You really don't understand, huh? I'm truly sorry, I am trying to help you overcome this misunderstanding, whether you think you or not.

We'll try with you own words this time.

Please not definition #7 within 'moral' below.

Self.

Move past the words and understand their meanings.

"Moral law"
**********

mor·al
[mawr-uh&#8201;l, mor-]
adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
4. capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
5. conforming to the rules of right conduct (opposed to immoral): a moral man.
6. virtuous in sexual matters; chaste.
7. of, pertaining to, or acting on the mind, feelings, will, or character: moral support.
8. resting upon convincing grounds of probability; virtual: a moral certainty.

law
1 [law]
noun
1. the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision.
2. any written or positive rule or collection of rules prescribed under the authority of the state or nation, as by the people in its constitution. Compare bylaw, statute law.
3. the controlling influence of such rules; the condition of society brought about by their observance: maintaining law and order.
4. a system or collection of such rules.
5. the department of knowledge concerned with these rules; jurisprudence: to study law.

*in his best Forrest Gump voice*
"That's all I have to say about that."
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#405677 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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preston
I am not talking about "limbo" or Purgatory, but the Creed in saying he descended into hell....
After his resurrection, yes indeed many saints came out of the grave, as the Bible states. But what was Jesus doing in the realm of the dead, even to hell itself? Some say that he "preached" to the dead, and his words are what caused the "many saints" to rise when He was resurrected. The Bible has a few "clues".
For the record DayStorm is not me.

Limbo was a theological discussion not a doctrine and it has been removed. It goes to the point of Baptism. I am sorry Robert I typed a reply to your question on Baptism, but there are many great Catholic articles on Baptism and Confirmation. The Latin right would be the equivalent of protestant ease of getting saved.
Sorry but time does not permit me to always answer in detail. Nevertheless I can point you to scripturecatholic website for lots of scripture. I agree with some of what you wrote but its not ez to just summarize what Baptism all entails in a sentence. However you cannot disregard water and spirit. Again we are bound by the sacraments but God is not.

So since the Jewish Scrolls did not have punctuation. So with the thief on the cross should the punctuation be today you will be with me in paradise or I tell you today? It makes a big difference. Paradise is the bosom of Abraham the realm of the righteous dead. Purgatory is quite Jewish.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says,“And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next”(from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.

1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com

Gehinnom: A Jewish Hell
Only truly righteous souls ascend directly to Gan Eden, say the sages. The average person descends to a place of punishment and/or purification, generally referred to as Gehinnom.

The name is taken from a valley (Gei Hinnom) just south of Jerusalem, once used for child sacrifice by the pagan nations of Canaan (II Kings 23:10). Some view Gehinnom as a place of torture and punishment, fire and brimstone. Others imagine it less harshly, as a place where one reviews the actions of his/her life and repents for past misdeeds.

The soul's sentence in Gehinnom is usually limited to a twelve-month period of purgation before it takes its place in Olam Ha-Ba (Mishnah Eduyot 2:9, Shabbat 33a). This twelve-month limit is reflected in the yearlong mourning cycle and the recitation of the Kaddish (the memorial prayer for the dead).

Only the utterly wicked do not ascend to Gan Eden at the end of this year. Sources differ on what happens to these souls at the end of their initial time of purgation. Some say that the wicked are utterly destroyed and cease to exist, while others believe in eternal damnation (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Law of Repentance, 3:5-6).

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theol...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405678 Nov 28, 2012
If you had gone through all the definitions - ALL have to do with the mind - again we have arrived at Self.

Why don't you believe Jesus?
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#405679 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
preston
I am not talking about "limbo" or Purgatory, but the Creed in saying he descended into hell....
After his resurrection, yes indeed many saints came out of the grave, as the Bible states. But what was Jesus doing in the realm of the dead, even to hell itself? Some say that he "preached" to the dead, and his words are what caused the "many saints" to rise when He was resurrected. The Bible has a few "clues".
So since the Jewish Scrolls did not have punctuation. So with the thief on the cross should the punctuation be today you will be with me in paradise or I tell you today? It makes a big difference. Paradise is the bosom of Abraham the realm of the righteous dead. Purgatory is quite Jewish.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says,“And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next”(from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.

1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com

Gehinnom: A Jewish Hell
Only truly righteous souls ascend directly to Gan Eden, say the sages. The average person descends to a place of punishment and/or purification, generally referred to as Gehinnom.

The name is taken from a valley (Gei Hinnom) just south of Jerusalem, once used for child sacrifice by the pagan nations of Canaan (II Kings 23:10). Some view Gehinnom as a place of torture and punishment, fire and brimstone. Others imagine it less harshly, as a place where one reviews the actions of his/her life and repents for past misdeeds.

The soul's sentence in Gehinnom is usually limited to a twelve-month period of purgation before it takes its place in Olam Ha-Ba (Mishnah Eduyot 2:9, Shabbat 33a). This twelve-month limit is reflected in the yearlong mourning cycle and the recitation of the Kaddish (the memorial prayer for the dead).

Only the utterly wicked do not ascend to Gan Eden at the end of this year. Sources differ on what happens to these souls at the end of their initial time of purgation. Some say that the wicked are utterly destroyed and cease to exist, while others believe in eternal damnation (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Law of Repentance, 3:5-6).

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theol...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405680 Nov 28, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Why? Education! Just think about how things were just 40 years ago. How much outside influence did most children have? a few channels on TV, school, and family friends. Now how much do they have?
You know - I was part of that "transition generation" from VHF/UHF to cable and you know - I think you have a point here.

I was limited in my 'outside access' because of the limitations coming into my household, thus was captured by what my parents thought to be right.

I saw through it after the outside was now within my home. This then became 'my journey'- to find the answers to the questions that couldn't be answered, or were answered with "God can".

The fallacy/charade/illusion was known to me and it brought enlightenment - like me eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge.

I had escaped the darkness. I am now free.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#405681 Nov 28, 2012
Michael wrote:
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Sheep......
According to the roman catholic bishops conference just a couple years back state that across america about 25% of roman catholics attend mandatory sunday service.
Western europe statistics are even bleaker.
The big question is WHY? Why are so many leaving and why do so many not practice their faith, or practice it regularily as their parents and grand parents did.
I am surprised that the vatican still sits on their hands with this dilema. There is no wholesale turnaround in sight.
What are you talking about? There is no mystery why people are leaving the Church. The Vatican is not in a dilema. And there won't be any turnaround either. At least, not on the Vaticans end. How many times do we have to tell you. The Catholic Church isn't dictated my popular opinion or cultural influence. Protestants are.

America and Europe are walking away from Catholicism (and many other moral structures too) Africa and South America are not.

The Church aint going away no matter what. Your great great grandkids will have come and gone mike, and the Church will still be standing with little or no change from the current doctrine.
ReginaM

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#405682 Nov 28, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>here is an interesting prophecy given centuries before.
Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Is 26:19
and we know (I think we know) that those who came out of the graves came out after Jesus, since He is the First Fruit.
and we know(I think we know) that these men, probably women too, were Holy Saints that were known(I think)in that Holy City.
now we come to the hard part.
Jesus Preached to those who were left(I think) and those are ,or will be waiting for the Great Resurrection, I think.
guess that anyone can tell how sure that I am.lol
[52] And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,[53] And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city, and appeared to many.

Honestly, if this didn't convince them that Jesus is the Messiah, I don't know what would. It puzzles me how so many still refused to believe. Was it just hard-heartedness do you think?

When Christ preached the Good News to the just in Gehenna, wouldn't their souls have gone to Heaven after His resurrection?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405683 Nov 28, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
So since the Jewish Scrolls did not have punctuation. So with the thief on the cross should the punctuation be today you will be with me in paradise or I tell you today? It makes a big difference. Paradise is the bosom of Abraham the realm of the righteous dead. Purgatory is quite Jewish.
Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says,“And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next”(from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.
2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.
1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com
Gehinnom: A Jewish Hell
Only truly righteous souls ascend directly to Gan Eden, say the sages. The average person descends to a place of punishment and/or purification, generally referred to as Gehinnom.
The name is taken from a valley (Gei Hinnom) just south of Jerusalem, once used for child sacrifice by the pagan nations of Canaan (II Kings 23:10). Some view Gehinnom as a place of torture and punishment, fire and brimstone. Others imagine it less harshly, as a place where one reviews the actions of his/her life and repents for past misdeeds.
The soul's sentence in Gehinnom is usually limited to a twelve-month period of purgation before it takes its place in Olam Ha-Ba (Mishnah Eduyot 2:9, Shabbat 33a). This twelve-month limit is reflected in the yearlong mourning cycle and the recitation of the Kaddish (the memorial prayer for the dead).
Only the utterly wicked do not ascend to Gan Eden at the end of this year. Sources differ on what happens to these souls at the end of their initial time of purgation. Some say that the wicked are utterly destroyed and cease to exist, while others believe in eternal damnation (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Law of Repentance, 3:5-6).
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theol...
~~~

You have no proof that purgatory ever did exist in any reference from the Bible...

all you have is presumptions, assumptions...imaginations...

and conjecture..

Instead of inventing a loophole for the sinner....Why not

just get Born again and obey the words of Jesus?

Then you wont need to depend upon and imaginary escape from hell...

~~~

Those that are truly born again will not have to stand in judgment,..

They will be pre-judged ....before they are caught away in the first resurrection...

.The Bride of
Christ, will be deemed worthy to enter into the presence of the Lord,
partake of the Marriage supper of the Lamb, and escape the seven years of tribulation that will come upon the earth..

Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405684 Nov 28, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You know - I was part of that "transition generation" from VHF/UHF to cable and you know - I think you have a point here.
I was limited in my 'outside access' because of the limitations coming into my household, thus was captured by what my parents thought to be right.
I saw through it after the outside was now within my home. This then became 'my journey'- to find the answers to the questions that couldn't be answered, or were answered with "God can".
The fallacy/charade/illusion was known to me and it brought enlightenment - like me eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge.
I had escaped the darkness. I am now free.
I feel the same way; just no god required.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405685 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Michael good friend
I am a bit tired, and the day is well spent for me.
Some people prefer a rather direct address, though I consider all to be friends.
I am glad you noticed.
Some people are put off by the thought of having a "good friend". And they don't know how to respond....
Its sometimes the very simple things that confound people....
I must sign off for now but will be back again tomorrow, God willing....
Sometimes, I wonder; are you a poe, a troll, a fundie, or just heavily indoctrinated.

To tell me that I do not have morals or that I hate 'morality' laws or god, is just plain stupid. Not just a little bit stupid; way over the top stupid.

"Some people are put off by the thought of having a "good friend". And they don't know how to respond..."

Stupidity Part II.

Who? Just because they don't like you?

No matter what words you try to impress with, your statements prove you true lack of intelligence. You wear your vocabulary like a mask; unfortunately, your mask has your true identity written all over it. You act as if you are disguising your obvious stupidity.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405686 Nov 28, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>

Most american catholics and many priests believe celebacy should be optional. Many roman catholics believe women could be ordained priests. The pope screams NO!
Movements around the world have catholics wanting more autonomy within the churh and that lay people have more say on who their parish priest and bishop is.
Big changes are coming, and its the people in the pews who want the changes.
As I have told you over and over before, NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to be a Catholic. If these (so-called) priests , nuns and lay-people that you (speak of) don't like the doctrine, teachings, and beliefs of the Catholic Church,------"THERE is the door--and be sure that it doesn't hit you in the butt" on the way out". They can find a "politically correct"---- Protestant Church, just down the street that will tell them "exactly what they want to hear" or that these rebellious and defiant "ex-catholics" can "picket"--carry signs" and voice their "personal opinion" that only adds to the 42,000+ inconsistent and contradicting "what I believe" beliefs!!! This hodge-podge of chaos and confusion of bible only (self-interpretation of the bible) has infected the Protestant denominations, with, abortion, euthenasia, women ministers, gay marriage, embroyonic stem cell research, gay preachers, and God (only knows) whats next--whichever way the A"political wind" happens to blow!!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405687 Nov 28, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel the same way; just no god required.
~~~

Feelings are deceitful...The just does not live by his five senses..

he lives by faith...and is led by the Holy Spirit of God...

Abraham is an example of faith...believing God

Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405688 Nov 28, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Peace to you as well, my friend.
Did you read the link from the Catechism? It cites the scriptural references and explains the meaning of Christ's descending to the dead (hell). As you know, the Profession of Faith (Nicene Creed) differs slightly in its wording from the Apostles' Creed, but they're essentially the same. It is our Profession of Faith that we recite every Sunday at Holy Mass. The Apostles' Creed is prayed at other times and sometimes at children's Masses.
I think it might have been mentioned here once, as far as I recall. But that was quite a while ago. I agree, it would be interesting to hear the Protestant take on it.
Hell was simply the grave that the Lord descended to and ascended.

Acts ch:2

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405689 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
You have no proof that purgatory ever did exist in any reference from the Bible...
all you have is presumptions, assumptions...imaginations...
and conjecture..
Instead of inventing a loophole for the sinner....Why not
just get Born again and obey the words of Jesus?
Then you wont need to depend upon and imaginary escape from hell...
~~~
Those that are truly born again will not have to stand in judgment,..
They will be pre-judged ....before they are caught away in the first resurrection...
.The Bride of
Christ, will be deemed worthy to enter into the presence of the Lord,
partake of the Marriage supper of the Lamb, and escape the seven years of tribulation that will come upon the earth..
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
can you are anyone show me where it says anything about seven years of tribulation that will come upon the earth ?

To my knowledge it only speaks of time, times and half time, 3.5 years or 1260 days of tribulation.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405690 Nov 28, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Noooo! I really hope he is ok. This would be a great time for all of us to unite in prayer for Herm and Sera.
Amen ---Clay and KayMarie! This is a time to "unite in Jesus Christ and in prayer, despite our differences!

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