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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 654436 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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ree Minbd

Eaton Park, FL

#405631 Nov 28, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Yeah, ummm, not exactly. Note that Jesus describes 3 kinds of 'eunuchs'. The first are those born with a defect, the second are those castrated, the third are the ones who reamin celibate for the kingdom of heaven.


I am aware of the modern spin.

Your spin claims Jesus switched gears in mid-sentence, and the term "eunuch" suddenly became the word "celibate.

But some of your early Church fathers believed what Jesus said and became eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now you and others are saying they were confused about what Jesus meant and these Church fathers became eunuchs for nothing.

Word games. Unless you can show us how the translation of "eunuch" and "celibate" could be confused -- like "brother" and "cousin" maybe.
Michael

Canada

#405632 Nov 28, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Actually Michael, if one is to look at the "10 commandments" - many are "thought-orientated" versus "action-orientated".
Here is the generic listing of the ten:
And God spoke all these words, saying:“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1.You shall have no other gods before me.
- thought-orientated - use of the mind
2.You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
- thought before action
3.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
- thought before action
4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- "remember" - thought-orientated
5.Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
- thought before action
6.You shall not murder.
- thought before action
7.You shall not commit adultery.
- thought before action
8.You shall not steal.
- thought before action
9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- thought before action
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
- thought before action
http://www.bible-knowledge.com/10-commandment...
Right! The problem is we cannot control our thought, or vision process, but we can control our actions.

Example, show a picture of a beautiful naked lady to a man he will become aroused.

Show a picture of a handsome man to a woman she will fanticize about being with him.

If I dream about stealing (robbing a bank) and what I could do with the money, is that a sin or again just part of our human condition?

Are these sins based on our thought process, or are they natural re-actions of our species as being imperfect beings?





“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405633 Nov 28, 2012
who="TheBlackSheep"
He tells them how to miss it!?!? Are you insane? When did god tell the Chinese? The Australian Aborigines? The Mayans? And so on...
Who do you get to heaven? Only through the son, right? How many people in the world have never heard of the son? Stop being so stupid!
Who would be nasty enough to put a lake of fire around their beloved children?
The path to heaven is narrow!
Really, just sit back and think about how stupid your beliefs really are.
god loves me so much, that he put me in the right country, at the right time, with the right parents, to make me a christian! But god does not love Wang! He put Wang in the wrong country, during the wrong time in history, with non-christian parents.
Why are you so special, so well taken care of and Wang is damned to hell?

**********

God is not a monster. Nor is He a stranger to His children. He sent His disciples (then and now) to see to it that Wang knows Him. A missionary preached in an island country, telling the natives about Jesus. Afterwards an old man approached him with tears in his eyes. "Tell me His name AGAIN, please. I've always known Him, but I've never heard His name." An Indian medicine man in Arizona was visited in a hospital by a man in white. The man told him that he wanted him to go home and tell his family the truth. That same day a disciple of Jesus spoke to the old man about Jesus. "That's the man who talked to me," he declared. The old man, past 80 years old, went home to Whiskey Creek, Arizona; called his family together, and told them about Jesus. They cleaned up Whiskey Creek, renamed it Jordan River. Today there is a church there.

Recently a Muslim widow heard a knock at her door. There was no one there...she thought. She slid to the floor in tears, when a hand touched her shoulder, and she heard someone say, "I'm sending someone today to tell you about Me." That day a missionary came to her house. Jesus is being seen in dreams and visions in places where missionaries cannot go.

My family visited a place on an Indian reservation. Their interpreter had asked them to go and pray for a man who had fallen from a horse. When they arrived a lady was carrying chairs from a hogan to a little 'church' that that former medicine man had built. My sister finished praying, and began to sing, "How Great Thou Art". The little Indian lady began to cry loudly, but my sister couldn't speak her language, so she couldn't talk to her. When the others finished praying, the interpreter explained that early that morning the Indian lady awoke to singing...beautiful music in a strange language. She heard a voice say to her, "You've been asking to know more about Me. Today I am sending some people to help you."

By faith she was taking those chairs over in preparation for the promised visitors. When she heard my sister singing...it was what she had heard early that morning.(They had no electricity or radio's then.)

It's too late to tell me that my Father is a monster...or that He will destroy His children.

KayMarie
Michael

Canada

#405634 Nov 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
For you, Michael, your definition,and proof of TRUTH is a "repeat performance" of the words of the Pharisees aS they stood before Jesus, while HE was hanging on the cross---as they said----"Come down from that cross so they we, too, might believe"--that you ARE Christ--the Son of God!!
not to be disrespectful..

but one has to wonder, that if the Jesus story is true as you claim, then this man who came to earth miraculously had to piss off the Pharisees so badly that they wanted him dead, which was the only way he could return to heaven, was to anger everyone.

Was there a man named Jesus? Quite possibly. Was he the son of God? 3 major religions in our world believe there was a Jesus. Only 1 religion believes he was God.

hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405635 Nov 28, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>

Was there a man named Jesus? Quite possibly. Was he the son of God? 3 major religions in our world believe there was a Jesus. Only 1 religion believes he was God.
As a Catholic Christian, I have made my choice, Protestants have made theirs and 1.168 Billion (other) Catholics have made the same choice that Jesus is the Son of God.-----The ball is in "your court" Michael!!!----- to accept of deny the TRUTH!
Michael

Canada

#405636 Nov 28, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Not especially.
.
I will go whichever way my bishop decides. My understanding is that the Holy See is leaving that decision to the local ordinary for now.
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I would guess they will take another look at it in about 20 years or so, and set some rule then.
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If it really was once a pert of baptism, then we should probably follow the Orthodox and Eastern practice, and confirm infants.
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On the other hand, if it was originally considered part of the bishop's job to confirm at the time of baptism, then preserving it as the bishop's responsibility, even if it has to be delayed some, would be the way to go.
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I don't have a horse in this race.
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Rob

With so many roman catholics leaving the faith or just not participating anymore I would believe the vast majority are catholics who were indoctrinated into the faith from infancy.

Adults who determine for themselves after experiencing what the world has to offer, looking into various religions as to what they personally believe, and joining as example the catholic church, I would believe they would most often be stronger catholics than those indoctrinated from infancy?

To me adult baptisms and confirmations would serve a much better purpose to the believer, than current "assembly line baptisms" when a child reaches the age of a few months old and automatically taken to the church to have this service performed, that does only one thing at this time, makes the family happy to keep the tradition going.

I would believe most non practicing catholics on this forum including myself were indoctrinated into the faith, not ones who found the faith on their own as adults.

The Kennedy family members must adhere to their family traditions. You must be a catholic, you must be a democrat, or you become shunned, an outsider to them.



Michael

Canada

#405637 Nov 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Catholic Christian, I have made my choice, Protestants have made theirs and 1.168 Billion (other) Catholics have made the same choice that Jesus is the Son of God.-----The ball is in "your court" Michael!!!----- to accept of deny the TRUTH!
Hojo, I am glad you made your choice, but remember insulting others on this forum because they remain in the same protestant belief that you belonged to at one time, serves no purpose.

If one religion could convince everyone that their way was the only way, there would only be one religion.

Please don't refer to it as the TRUTH. Refer to it what it is, a BELIEF. There is nothing wrong with having a belief, and their is nothing wrong with me or anyone else questioning a belief. That is how we all learn.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405638 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
God is not a monster. Nor is He a stranger to His children. He sent His disciples (then and now) to see to it that Wang knows Him. A missionary preached in an island country, telling the natives about Jesus. Afterwards an old man approached him with tears in his eyes. "Tell me His name AGAIN, please. I've always known Him, but I've never heard His name." An Indian medicine man in Arizona was visited in a hospital by a man in white. The man told him that he wanted him to go home and tell his family the truth. That same day a disciple of Jesus spoke to the old man about Jesus. "That's the man who talked to me," he declared. The old man, past 80 years old, went home to Whiskey Creek, Arizona; called his family together, and told them about Jesus. They cleaned up Whiskey Creek, renamed it Jordan River. Today there is a church there.
Recently a Muslim widow heard a knock at her door. There was no one there...she thought. She slid to the floor in tears, when a hand touched her shoulder, and she heard someone say, "I'm sending someone today to tell you about Me." That day a missionary came to her house. Jesus is being seen in dreams and visions in places where missionaries cannot go.
My family visited a place on an Indian reservation. Their interpreter had asked them to go and pray for a man who had fallen from a horse. When they arrived a lady was carrying chairs from a hogan to a little 'church' that that former medicine man had built. My sister finished praying, and began to sing, "How Great Thou Art". The little Indian lady began to cry loudly, but my sister couldn't speak her language, so she couldn't talk to her. When the others finished praying, the interpreter explained that early that morning the Indian lady awoke to singing...beautiful music in a strange language. She heard a voice say to her, "You've been asking to know more about Me. Today I am sending some people to help you."
By faith she was taking those chairs over in preparation for the promised visitors. When she heard my sister singing...it was what she had heard early that morning.(They had no electricity or radio's then.)
It's too late to tell me that my Father is a monster...or that He will destroy His children.
KayMarie
fundie lies... nothing more. A friend of a friend told me this story, so it must be true...

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405639 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
It's too late to tell me that my Father is a monster...or that He will destroy His children.
KayMarie
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Too late? No, you are either a poe or too well indoctrinated.

Read this a few times... OK, read this over and over until you realize that you god has a law, which not only allows one human to own another, but also allows the owner to kill the slave.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405640 Nov 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Catholic Christian, I have made my choice, Protestants have made theirs and 1.168 Billion (other) Catholics have made the same choice that Jesus is the Son of God.-----The ball is in "your court" Michael!!!----- to accept of deny the TRUTH!
There are how many non-catholics? If counting how many there are is important, then counting how many are not, must be equally important.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405641 Nov 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
read about Satan
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
For many centuries, "The Morning Star",'Lucifer' to some of these early folks, was the topic of many folklore and legends and beliefs.

It actually is a misnomer - it was considered a "messenger" in many regards for people who did not have the literacy to understand what the star actually was.

http://www.scienceofbeing.net/The_Morning_Sta...

If one is to take this interpretation for any evidence - Jesus is the Morning Star in Isaiah:
http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_morningstar....

The Bright Morning Star goes to the misnomer of "Lucifer", which is an incorrect title for Satan or the Devil taken from the King James Version of Isaiah 14:12. Were it not for this odd transliteration, "Lucifer" would not exist as a term in English, and there would be no confusion on the matter. As it is, we need to be careful, I would suggest, in using the term to describe who the Bible calls "Satan" or "the Devil". Most Christians are onto this, yet still the term "Lucifer" persists. In any case, the "morning star" is the title of Christ throughout the rest of Scripture.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus called him
Joh_12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Joh_14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Joh_16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
What - no "Lucifer" in this passage?

You are reading to much into the text than is needed.

Step off the destruction shelf and move into a loving atmosphere. It is much more pleasant than where you seem to be perched.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405642 Nov 28, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The thief was not subject to the New Testament command to be baptized into Christ’s death (Romans 6:3-4), just as Moses, Abraham, and David were not amenable to it. They all lived prior to the cross under different law codes. They could not have been baptized into Christ’s death—because He had not yet died.
ME:
but hank and HOJO, Jeus had already died and so the Malefactor(I prefer that word)was now under the Plan of Salvation that God had set forth centuies before.
this event is a {clear indication}that a person does not have to be Baptsied to enter into Heaven.
I mean lets face Facts. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT God who forgives sin, as someone brought up the other day and used these words "go and sin no more".if the sins are Forgiven, nothing else is Required,
ONLY THE BLOOD WASHES AWAY THE SINS OF A PERSON, IF WATER TOOK AWAY THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD,
PEOPLE WOULD BE SAVED AS SOON AS THEY TOOK A BATH.LETS GET REAL ABOUT THIS AND USE SOME GOOD OLD COMMON SENSE.
just because He told others to go and make disciples and Baptise them in the name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost, doent mean that He cant do as He wishes.AFTER ALL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CREATOR WHO ISNT BOUND BY THE DEFICIENCES OF MANKIND.
I BELIEVE IN BAPTISM, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN OR IT IS JUST WASTED TIME.WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN, ALL THE WATER IN THE OCEANS WILL NOT HELP YOU GET INTO HEAVEN.
THAT IS HOW I SEE IT BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS.
preston

I agree.

Also the order doesn't have an effectiveness. By that I mean an infant can be baptised, but latter be born again....He does not have to be baptised again in water.(Some feel called to do so, usually as a call to become part of a congregation.)

But its like circumcision. You can only have it done once.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405643 Nov 28, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
In my opinion, someone who continues to post falsities, even after having been shown the truth, is a trouble maker. An ignorant and deceitful trouble maker.
From our profession of faith;
"For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end."
I expect we will never again hear from you that we believe "rituals" save us. If so it will only confirm that you are indeed nothing more than a trouble maker.
Anthony
Peace

I would like to add that "he suffered died and was buried, he descended into hell, on the third day he arose again...."

Sometimes this descent is left out.

I would like to see if some would agree or disagree based on scripture....
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405644 Nov 28, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>looks like Live Action has gained a new convert.
Yahweh when the other day when You were insistting that I saw God in an airplane.
YOU DO KNOW THAT LTM INSISTED THAT LIVE ACTION WAS ME, DONT YOU
For all those who may or may not be confused Persy while in flight over Vietnam (Not in a AIRPLANE he say's) saw Jesus (Not God so does this entail not God the Son) which he states makes him an apostle according to the message recieved.

Come on really for all we know he could have been in a hang glider flying over China Town sailed into a cliff and while in descent hit his head on a rock and woke up in a Roman Catholic Hospital as a patient were he saw a picture hanging on th e wall of his room of the Pontiff thinking it was Jesus being blinded from the flourisit lighting in his deranged mind related it to him being equal to the Apstle Paul.

yep that about sums it up.

ReginaM

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#405645 Nov 28, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Anthony
Peace
I would like to add that "he suffered died and was buried, he descended into hell, on the third day he arose again...."
Sometimes this descent is left out.
I would like to see if some would agree or disagree based on scripture....
Robert, Anthony's post contained the Nicene Creed. The line you are referring to is from the Apostles' Creed.

Perhaps this will help:

ARTICLE 5
"HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN"
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405646 Nov 28, 2012
preston wrote:
where I come from, it is one of the poorest counties in Ohio.
and about the only thing that many possess around here is their word,
and when that isnt any good, then neither are they
And I bet your right their in the middle talking down to everyone of them ready to put your foot on their head and push them right on under the water when they try to swim for shore.
Michael

Canada

#405647 Nov 28, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
There are how many non-catholics? If counting how many there are is important, then counting how many are not, must be equally important.
Sheep......

According to the roman catholic bishops conference just a couple years back state that across america about 25% of roman catholics attend mandatory sunday service.

Western europe statistics are even bleaker.

The big question is WHY? Why are so many leaving and why do so many not practice their faith, or practice it regularily as their parents and grand parents did.

I am surprised that the vatican still sits on their hands with this dilema. There is no wholesale turnaround in sight.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#405648 Nov 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Kay Marie,you are talking to Catholics in 2012,a very candid group that view things much differently than their predecessors.American Catholics especially have heard our evangelical broadcasts on TV and the radio.Many have watched Billy Graham,and even some catholic bishops have encouraged their flocks to attend Billy Graham crusades in their cities when he came there.
The evangelical expression of Catholicism has been ignited by the era of Catholic Charismatic renewal,there is much evangelical fervor amongst priests,sisters in communities and brothers,many of the laity have been involed in the charismatic movement.We are on a thin line when we claim that Catholics today do not know the gospel,in its dynamic evangelical message of personal salvation and unique fellowship with Christ.
Neverthless,Catholics today are experiencing as well a surge of liberalism which threatens that evangelical revival as it were.The liberal factions are the many Catholics who are cultural but not transformed by the gospel.Our evangelical churches and fellowships major in transforming power of Christ,and we have done so ever since the Holy Spirit decided long ago to inspire men and women like the Apostles Peter and Paul,to preach a dynamic personal faith that seeks the continual exchanges of the heart from that of the flesh to that of the Spirit.It is difficult,but true.
Many Catholics have known that truth and for centuries,we can read about dynamic saints and laity who have been transformed by the Lord,all through Catholic history.nevertheless the Catholic church is plagued with several personalities,and each one fights for dominance.Now in this time the evangelical voice within Catholicism is fighting hard for the people to turnfrom their wicked ways,but the cultural Catholics who resist such attend mass regularly and consider themselves every wit Catholic,remain as a thorn in the flesh to the others.It will be interesting to see who will supersede the other,will it be the liberals and cultural Catholics,or will it be those who are evangelical in their practise of Catholicism?
Pad good friend

I sort of agree with you here.

But in thinking in terms of culture, one must see that the "cultural" Catholics, have fallen away. They were indocrinated, but left. That is here in the U.S.

There is a revival in the RCC and it is continuing, more from the immigrants into the U.S., which has brought a new life. But also converts and reverts as they grow weary of materialism, relativism, modernism, new age, etc, etc. And in rediscovery there is an enthusiasm, and an evangelicalism that comes out.(Do not hide the light under a basket.)

Because we live in a post-modern age, the influences in our society are around, but aren't really alive in the RCC. You can say that the decline in most all large denominations have faced similar circumstances.

The sense of a society concerning social toleration, does make its way into religion is more a political one. And enters as a kind of pride. Those who are the hypocrits and judging others. When in fact the poor, and the stranger should be welcomed. When this starts happening, and a sort of stratification, and cliques start forming, the leaders need to start rebuking....Unfortunately, it seems to center in on the priest in the RCC, when it should be more the responsibility of the deacons or elders....
Prince Helmut Pipke

Baltimore, MD

#405649 Nov 28, 2012
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you hate when someone opens their piehole about someone else's conversation that they know nothing about....me too.
He was talking to me about the Ohio State/Michigan game...good gravy why am I wasting my time. I'll never get this time of my life back.
no understand your defintion hate

such word doesn't exist to hate cyber muts and only hell knows who they are?

but his peehole someday can get outside germs and catch testicle cancer or pheronies

have good night Chuck
preston

Athens, OH

#405650 Nov 28, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>For all those who may or may not be confused Persy while in flight over Vietnam (Not in a AIRPLANE he say's) saw Jesus (Not God so does this entail not God the Son) which he states makes him an apostle according to the message recieved.
Come on really for all we know he could have been in a hang glider flying over China Town sailed into a cliff and while in descent hit his head on a rock and woke up in a Roman Catholic Hospital as a patient were he saw a picture hanging on th e wall of his room of the Pontiff thinking it was Jesus being blinded from the flourisit lighting in his deranged mind related it to him being equal to the Apstle Paul.
yep that about sums it up.
what is amazing to me is the fact, that no one but you are concerned about what I saw.

and if you dont believe it, that is up to you, if you believe it or not, doesnt bother two others, God and Myself.

so bring it back up in a few days, it still is what it is.and your infantile behavior is very evident. an adult wouldnt concern themselves with something that happened almost 50 years ago,lol.

ONE GOOD THING HAS COME OUT OF YOUR MOCKERY,THE CATHOLICS ON HERE HAVE MORE CREDITIBILITY THAN YOU WOULD EVER POSSESS.

which means than I dont feel like arguing with them very much, since that places me on the same side of you, and that is detestable to God.

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