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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405429 Nov 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
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I been doing a little reading on Gnosticism. It seems scholars are not convinced the Gospel of Thomas was written by the Apostle himself but rather, by Gnostic leaders yrs later.
Same with the Gospel of Judas. It is believed to have been penned sometime in the second century by.....you guessed it. Men.
If that is true, your 'why do you follow the teachings of men' thing is a bit ironic.
Also, I read the Gospel of Thomas. I would have to agree that it wasn't written by a guy who hung around the other 12 Apostles. It's too different.....almost like a kid wrote it. Poor wording and analogy. Definitely not something I would think the Holy Spirit inspired. Scholars believe it was one of the Gnostic leaders impersonating the Apostle Thomas. I don't think i can argue with them.
Anyway, I love learning about all religions. I didnt arrive at Catholicism thru indoctrination (although that is how i was first introduced to it.
I actually researched many different faiths before deciding to stick with the Catholic faith.
So far, Im not impressed with Gnosticism.
"Ye of little faith...."

That fits you well.

"A little reading" will get you "a little information".

"So far, Im not impressed with Gnosticism."
- I never asked for your impression, but you couldn't resist with giving it, huh? Well, well...there is a sign of the mind working after all.

Good for you.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405430 Nov 27, 2012
Truth wrote:
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Going against the Word of God...
Do you find it just a mite hypocritical to come on here and act like you are this wise christian who knows the truth and are going to tell everyone whats what, when in fact you do not even attend or support or even identify with Christ's church? Does the word of God tell us that we should attend and support the church? Until you resolve this sin in your own life, please spare me the hypocritical analysis of everyones beliefs and your false teachings on those matters. Thx.
truth

Perth, Australia

#405431 Nov 27, 2012
''they teach you death will be diminish''

2.5-3x day as light will be then night..

12 3 6 9=o'clock=time
How much will be save..meaning about what?

1/4
where east west south north
12-3
3-6
6-9
9-12
who where how which side flip flop flip flop..

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405432 Nov 27, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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Uh-huh.
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And you were baptized as an infant, not as an adult, and (probably) in the Roman Rite, rather than an Eastern Rite or Orthodox.
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Read the post again.
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Rob
Exactly my point. This forum isn't about the Orthodox, but the RCC.

Maybe you should reread the forum title and article again.

And if you had grasped my point, Anthony, posited that "Confirmation is the strengthening", yet stopped there.

Although I asked him what happens next.

As you can see, he chose not to answer.

You on the other hand, tried to sway the discussion to some other point, like Clay.

What comes after the "strengthening" of being Confirmed? To Anthony, he seems to think that something still occurs. I asked what that "something" is.

As you can see, we are still waiting on an answer.

My guess, it requires Self to be active in a pious life. Yeah, Self, you know, like yourself.

Thus no religion is required - yet again.

Too hard for you to believe, huh?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#405433 Nov 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>You believe that it is new. I believe that it is as old as the apostles and the scriptures.
Then it should be easy for you to show how the first Christians believed as you do now.
The first Christians wrote many things too. It's interesting to read their letters and sermons to find out what they believed. Some actually were taught directly by the mouths of the Apostles.

I can't find where they taught anything about Faith Alone, Scripture alone, Eucharist as 'just a symbol', Baptism not being necessary...

In fact, i see the exact opposite. Doesn't that alarm you one bit?

I don't think its smart to play dumb on this. If what you say is truth, then you should be able to present something to back it up.
You can't isolate verse verse verse and say "look, John was teaching this". The fact is, John made it clear what he was teaching. That's how his students came to shape the Church.
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#405434 Nov 27, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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An after-thought to the qualifiers.
If Tony has listed them in the order you think exists, then that would make you both Orthodox.
I wasn't raised Orthodox, but Anglican.
Does it cause you concern that I pointed out the difference?
It shouldn't, because the rituals are to show devotion to your organization more so than to an individual's salvation, if one is to understand why you had to point it out.
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No, I pointed it out because you tried to assert that you knew the sacraments better than Anthony, and you don't.
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While you are correct that the normal order for a person baptized as an infant would be:
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1. Baptism (The gateway sacrament, which must precede all others)
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2. Reconciliation (Auricular Confession), at the age if reason.
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3. Holy Communion, shortly after first confession.
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4. Confirmation. Often around age 14, but it varies from diocese to diocese.

Since Confirmation is a sacrament of initiation (and was probably once done at the same time as baptism, and perhaps even considered part of the same sacrament), there is talk about moving it to BEFORE Holy Communion, at perhaps age 7 or thereabouts.
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If you don't know something, you really ought to ask.
.And you really ought to ask, a bit more often, if you really know something.
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Rob
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405435 Nov 27, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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I dislike this analogy but we've used it before.
Catholic 'free gift';
Jesus gives you a Christmas present, He gives it out of love for you, no conditions, no strings attached. It's a nicely wrapped race car. You accept the present. You open the box. You put in the batteries (which He supplied with the present). You turn it on and learn how to operate it using the instructions He gave. You run it on the race track and get to the finish line.
Evangelical fundamentalist 'free gift';
Jesus gives you a Christmas present, He gives it out of love for you, no conditions, no strings attached. It's a nicely wrapped race car. You accept the present. You say 'thanks' and leave it unwrapped and in the box.
Spam. Inaccurate and silly. The GIFT that Jesus gives us is FORGIVENESS. And it is recieved with thanksgiving. And THEN (pay attention) after the gift has been recieved(which is Christ in us(the Holy Spirit) THEN ....THEN THEN begins to work in our hearts to mold us into the image of Christ. Then HE begins to guide and direct our thoughts and actions. I honestly don't understand why you can not at least understand what I am telling you over and over and over, even if you don't chose to accept it? sigh..........

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405436 Nov 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mean to poke fun at you. So i apologize.
You have to remember, 95% of this forum is Catholics defending the Catholic faith from attacks. Most of the time, people are telling us what we believe, not asking us. I try to not insult other faiths while I am steadfastly defending mine.
I will read more into Gnosticism to get a better understanding of that faith. I am forever a Catholic, so there is no danger for me to learn what others believe. I did that with all the other faiths represented here...sorry i skipped over yours.
Thank you Clay, now didn't that feel much better?

We all make mistakes, but not all of us are honest enough to own them, and move on.

I have no worries that you and I can continue to discuss openly when presenting our positions. It's the ones that can't support their position (those who fail to do the research)- are the ones that seem to have personal issues with me.

Religion is a personal matter - no organization is required.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405437 Nov 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>YOU DON"T KNOW? YOU the GREAT CATHOLIC SCHOLAR? Are you serious. Let me ask you another way. Is there ANY OTHER WAY TO GET TO HEAVEN b;ut by the BLOOD OF JESUS AND HIS SACRIFICE AT CALVERY? And do you think God would have require the sacrifice of His only Son if there was any other way??????????
I AM serious when it comes to "not playing" your bible only question and answer merry-go-round game of "Protestant confusion and chaos. Like I said before--go ask God to get an answer your question! If that doesn't work then I am sure that you will ask your two Protestant propaganda heretics--Ron Rhodes and James McCarthy--to fill you in on their mission of distorting the TRUTH of the bible and of Apostolic Church History. These two "clowns" fit in very nicely into your anti-catholic (3 ring circus) dog and pony show!!!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405438 Nov 27, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
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No, I pointed it out because you tried to assert that you knew the sacraments better than Anthony, and you don't.
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While you are correct that the normal order for a person baptized as an infant would be:
.
1. Baptism (The gateway sacrament, which must precede all others)
.
2. Reconciliation (Auricular Confession), at the age if reason.
.
3. Holy Communion, shortly after first confession.
.
4. Confirmation. Often around age 14, but it varies from diocese to diocese.
Since Confirmation is a sacrament of initiation (and was probably once done at the same time as baptism, and perhaps even considered part of the same sacrament), there is talk about moving it to BEFORE Holy Communion, at perhaps age 7 or thereabouts.
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If you don't know something, you really ought to ask.
.And you really ought to ask, a bit more often, if you really know something.
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Rob
No - that would be you projecting and thinking I don't know what I am talking about.

Making assumptions has always been one of the problems with Christianity, and you have seem to encapsulate it completely.

Maybe in the future, before you make an assumption about someone, you should ask them directly for clarification, instead of thinking you know the answer.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#405439 Nov 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> Spam. Inaccurate and silly. The GIFT that Jesus gives us is FORGIVENESS. And it is recieved with thanksgiving. And THEN (pay attention) after the gift has been recieved(which is Christ in us(the Holy Spirit) THEN ....THEN THEN begins to work in our hearts to mold us into the image of Christ. Then HE begins to guide and direct our thoughts and actions. I honestly don't understand why you can not at least understand what I am telling you over and over and over, even if you don't chose to accept it? sigh..........
I get what you guys are saying. That's not the issue.
The issue is whether or not we can give the gift back to Christ. We say a person can receive the Holy Spirit; experience the love and mercy of God.; then later reject Our Lord and choose sin.

You say, those people never received the gift then.

Right?
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#405440 Nov 27, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
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No, I pointed it out because you tried to assert that you knew the sacraments better than Anthony, and you don't.
.
While you are correct that the normal order for a person baptized as an infant would be:
.
1. Baptism (The gateway sacrament, which must precede all others)
.
2. Reconciliation (Auricular Confession), at the age if reason.
.
3. Holy Communion, shortly after first confession.
.
4. Confirmation. Often around age 14, but it varies from diocese to diocese.
Since Confirmation is a sacrament of initiation (and was probably once done at the same time as baptism, and perhaps even considered part of the same sacrament), there is talk about moving it to BEFORE Holy Communion, at perhaps age 7 or thereabouts.
.
If you don't know something, you really ought to ask.
.And you really ought to ask, a bit more often, if you really know something.
.
Rob
What? The Church is talking about moving Confirmation to about 7 yrs old? I don't think I like that idea. Although, I definitely knew right and wrong at that age... It still seams too young. I think the kids would be pressured to much to participate in it.
Are you for it?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#405441 Nov 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I get what you guys are saying. That's not the issue.
The issue is whether or not we can give the gift back to Christ. We say a person can receive the Holy Spirit; experience the love and mercy of God.; then later reject Our Lord and choose sin.
You say, those people never received the gift then.
Right?
What I am saying Clay is that hte scriptures tell us that we are 'supernaturally born into God's family'....YOU cn=an't undo a birth. Scripture says that we are "sealed by the HOLY SPIRIT onto the day of redemption". How long is that Clay? We are told in scripture that " HE who has began a work in us will no doubt see it through to its completion" That is what I bae my faith on. If you care to refute any of these passages, feel free. Now can you show me a scripture that tells of anyone giving the gift back?
preston

Athens, OH

#405442 Nov 27, 2012
not only are some people on here fooled bythe satire of Onion, the N koreans were too.lol

China, as one Twitter user wrote Tuesday, has been fooled by the "mysterious Western art of satire."

The merciless comedy website The Onion has declared North Korean leader Kim Jong Un the "sexiest man alive for 2012." And it appears China's People's Daily Online has taken the story seriously.

"I love this one," Onion editor Will Tracy told CNN. "It has a certain delightfulness to it."

The Chinese story reprinted satirical comments describing Kim's "air of power that masks an unmistakable cute, cuddly side," his "impeccable fashion sense, chic short hairstyle, and," the story says, "that famous smile."


A Chinese state-run site was fooled Tuesday by a satirical story that declared North Korea's Kim Jong Un the "sexiest man alive."The story on People's Daily Online illustrates the mutual backscratching that China and North Korea exercise through their government-run media. The incident also shows foreign media outlets' difficulty in navigating The Onion's brand of satire.

Tracy said he's not surprised when legitimate news sites fall for his high-level tomfoolery, but this was the first time The Onion had named a "sexiest man alive." "We knew it would get a response," he said "but we didn't expect it would get life from abroad."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/27/world/asia/nort...
preston

Athens, OH

#405443 Nov 27, 2012
In September, an Onion satire fooled Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency. Fars published an Onion story claiming that a Gallup poll found that rural white Americans preferred Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over President Barack Obama.

The Onion never writes its stories with the intention of fooling government agencies, Tracy said. But "it's great when it happens. We hope it happens more often."

This prank, he said with obvious glee, may turn out to be the legendary Onion fake story that veterans will talk about for years to come. "We essentially just fooled the government of China."
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#405444 Nov 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>What I am saying Clay is that hte scriptures tell us that we are 'supernaturally born into God's family'....YOU cn=an't undo a birth. Scripture says that we are "sealed by the HOLY SPIRIT onto the day of redemption". How long is that Clay? We are told in scripture that " HE who has began a work in us will no doubt see it through to its completion" That is what I bae my faith on. If you care to refute any of these passages, feel free. Now can you show me a scripture that tells of anyone giving the gift back?
I don't believe scripture records anyone giving it back. But that does not mean you can't.

You said "you can't undo a birth".
Well in a way, you can.
We could decide we don't accept Gods gift of life anymore and jump off a bridge.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#405445 Nov 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> Spam. Inaccurate and silly. The GIFT that Jesus gives us is FORGIVENESS. And it is recieved with thanksgiving. And THEN (pay attention) after the gift has been recieved(which is Christ in us(the Holy Spirit) THEN ....THEN THEN begins to work in our hearts to mold us into the image of Christ. Then HE begins to guide and direct our thoughts and actions. I honestly don't understand why you can not at least understand what I am telling you over and over and over, even if you don't chose to accept it? sigh..........
yep and you explained it well, i'll keep reposting it until they get it:)
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#405446 Nov 27, 2012
DayStorm wrote:
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Well you seem to be leaving out that Webster's Dictionary describes that word as pejorative!
usually disparaging
: roman catholic
— Rom·ish·ly adverb, usually disparaging
— Rom·ish·ness noun, usually disparaging
First Known Use of ROMISH
1531
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rom...
I found the following reply to that post very interesting at the above URL by:

Lucy Harris · Praise & Worship Leader at Praise & Worship Leader

The Book of Discipline of the United Methodist Church 2008, paragraph 103, Article XIV--Of Purgatory: "The Romish doctrine concerning purgatory, pardon, worshiping, and adoration, as well of images as of relics, and also invocation of saints, is a fond thing, vainly invented, and grounded upon no warrant of Scripture, but repugnant to the Word of God."
preston

Athens, OH

#405447 Nov 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I get what you guys are saying. That's not the issue.
The issue is whether or not we can give the gift back to Christ. We say a person can receive the Holy Spirit; experience the love and mercy of God.; then later reject Our Lord and choose sin.
You say, those people never received the gift then.
Right?
this is a common thread for these types of people like him, marge st al.

and it seems strange that only one person on here will make the claim that it is s 'Repenting Walk".Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou {repent}.

you Cant fall from something that you never had.How can you be saved without the light of God? also, how can you lose teh light of God, and yet be saved? Here Jesus is threatening to remove the 'candlestick', which means that that person will be lost forever except and unless they repent.

if a person is Saved and then later walks away, who on here can judge their heart and their Experience?

the answer is obvious, NONE! people like him fall back on that old Cliché all of the time and it certainly is not Biblical
preston

Athens, OH

#405448 Nov 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe scripture records anyone giving it back. But that does not mean you can't.
You said "you can't undo a birth".
Well in a way, you can.
We could decide we don't accept Gods gift of life anymore and jump off a bridge.
Demas is the perfect example of a man who followed God, worked with paul for Years in Spreading teh Gospel and tehn walked away.
and yet these people will stand and look you in teh face and say that Demas was never saved in teh first place.

as if they knew more than paul did about demas.

look at the example of Mark, Paul REFUSED to take him along in their word of spreading the Gospel.

this is Mark, who even tho young spent much time with Jesus and the Disciple, yet there was something lacking and paul knew it, and stood his ground even against the uncle of mark and who himself was a prophet(pauls office was higher tho).

and knowing that and we do since the Bible records this disagreement, Paul worked with demas for many years.and I have tried to tell them what the Greeks says about Demas beinga fellowworker which means he was a slave to the Gospel and there are other verses that records waht it means to be a slave to jesus.

but it is hard almost impossible to teach someone what the Word of God reads when they are BLIND

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