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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405373 Nov 27, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Truth wrote:
Whether you want to believe it or not, Michael, you have sin in your life of some kind....
There was NO ONE perfect except for Jesus....
<quoted text>
Hi Mike.
Catholics want everyone to still have sin, so they can use it against another in order to think they are better. It is that simple.
How else do you think they get their followers? If they infuse a belief unto a person, that they "fall short of God", or the person is feeble or weakminded in the eyes of "God", or even "still in sin" - it's their way of getting into the person's mind, to help embed their unfounded "laws".
The tactic has been used for centuries. Unfortunately for these folks, there are too many of us that have seen through the misnomers and have realized that true salvation comes from within, by how you treat others, and how this treatment is expressed.
Like you, I can't think of any "sins" I've attained or accumulated. If I do, I'll post them here for all to see.
:o)
1 John 1:8

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#405374 Nov 27, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Shame, guilt and fear is what motivates them. They willingly give away their free will, and self esteem to an invisible man in the sky, and try as they might to convince others to do the same. When we don't, they have a tantrum like a young child and can't understand why we won't submit.
Example, the old and new testment in the bible frequently contradict each other of its rules of conduct, and not to forget the Jews of the OT do not believe in the trinity, yet both Old and New testaments are quoted during mass. Many Church leaders also have behaved in direct violation of the churches teachings, by covering up criminal and immoral activities by their own subordinates, yet some of their followers on this forum find that punishing those that speak out against them is worse, than speaking out against those who committed these immoral acts.
again, I can't think of any sin worth worrying about that I have committed in a long time, but many of the very teachers of the catholic faith have spun their sin meter over a few times.
just my opinions....
Shame, guilt and fear -- and because some of us laugh at their Early Iron Age nonsense -- they really hope that we will be tortured forever by their angry, vengeful god.

Otherwise, their shame, guilt and fear is all for nothing.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405375 Nov 27, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
When was the last time your priest performed this sacrifice of doves and pigeons ?
I guess you don't believe that all liveing things have the same right as you, huh?
No worries, I belong to PEETA - People Eating Extra Tasty Animals, so the next time the priest sacrifices doves, let's have a BBQ!
Sheez!!
You'll quote ancient Jewish texts, which I've taken to mean that you believe them to be true, yet you don't practice this ritual.
Why do you mislead others with some nonsensical interpretation?
You really are clueless....

enough said...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405376 Nov 27, 2012
Michael wrote:

Shame, guilt and fear is what motivates them. They willingly give away their free will, and self esteem to an invisible man in the sky, and try as they might to convince others to do the same. When we don't, they have a tantrum like a young child and can't understand why we won't submit.
Example, the old and new testment in the bible frequently contradict each other of its rules of conduct, and not to forget the Jews of the OT do not believe in the trinity, yet both Old and New testaments are quoted during mass. Many Church leaders also have behaved in direct violation of the churches teachings, by covering up criminal and immoral activities by their own subordinates, yet some of their followers on this forum find that punishing those that speak out against them is worse, than speaking out against those who committed these immoral acts.
again, I can't think of any sin worth worrying about that I have committed in a long time, but many of the very teachers of the catholic faith have spun their sin meter over a few times.
just my opinions....

Free Mind:
Shame, guilt and fear -- and because some of us laugh at their Early Iron Age nonsense -- they really hope that we will be tortured forever by their angry, vengeful god.

Otherwise, their shame, guilt and fear is all for nothing.

**********

You are hearing about the 'god' that the world sees: angry, vengeful, etc.

The God that I serve is a loving Father, Who keeps His promises, and provides for all my needs.

Wish you knew Him, too...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405377 Nov 27, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>lol, now you are getting a taste of what John and I have faced for several years.good luck,
I knew his attitude wouldnt last very long, the leopard doesnt change his spots.
YEP!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405378 Nov 27, 2012
DayStorm wrote:
<quoted text>
Well you seem to be leaving out that Webster's Dictionary describes that word as pejorative!
usually disparaging
: roman catholic
— Rom·ish·ly adverb, usually disparaging
— Rom·ish·ness noun, usually disparaging
First Known Use of ROMISH
1531
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rom...
_~~~

YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT...

The word WE WERE DISCUSSING WAS RITUAL...NOT ROMISH..

RITUAL

CHURCH, n.

1. A house consecrated to the worship of God, among Christians; the Lords house. This seems to be the original meaning of the word. The Greek, to call out or call together, denotes an assembly or collection. But, Lord, a term applied by the early Christians to Jesus Christ; and the house in which they worshipped was named from the title. So church goods, bona ecclesiastica; the Lords day, dies dominica.

2. The collective body of Christians, or of those who profess to believe in Christ, and acknowledge him to be the Savior of mankind. In this sense, the church is sometimes called the Catholic or Universal Church.

3. A particular number of christens, united under one form of ecclesiastical government, in one creed, and using the same ritual and ceremonies; as the English church; the Gallican church; the Presbyterian church; the Romish church; the Greek church.

4. The followers of Christ in a particular city or province; as the church of Ephesus, or of Antioch.

5. The disciples of Christ assembled for worship in a particular place, as in a private house. Col 4.

6. The worshipers of Jehovah or the true God, before the advent of Christ; as the Jewish church.

7. The body of clergy, or ecclesiastics, in distinction from the laity. Hence, ecclesiastical authority.

8. An assembly of sacred rulers convened in Christs name to execute his laws.

9. The collective body of Christians, who have made a public profession of the Christian religion, and who are untied under the same pastor; in distinction from those who belong to the same parish, or ecclesiastical society, but have made no profession of their faith.

CHURCH, v.t. To perform with any one the office of returning thanks in the church, after any signal deliverance, as from the dangers of childbirth.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#405379 Nov 27, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct - Jesus never wrote anything down, and we've gone over this before.
It really is redundant to do it again, huh?
I think we all agree, men wrote the Bible, not Jesus.
Hold it now. "men wrote the Bible not Jesus". This statement is important for many reasons. The obvious is: your whole shtick of 'why do you listen to Paul instead of Jesus? or Why do you follow men, is thrown out the window. It shows a degree of hypocrisy, don't you think?

Another thing I think everybody on this forum can agree on is: Jesus Christ started a Church.
Now what that Church is varies from poster to poster.
We say its an authoritative hierarchy of Bishops, Priests and Deacons. With the Bishop of Rome being in charge of the day to day operations of the Church until Christ comes back.

Others say the 'Church' is their particular sect.

Others say its a 'body' of believers who follow their interpretations of the New Testament.

And you (correct me if I am wrong) believe there is no Church? Or if there is, its a psychic spiritual realm??
How do you form your theology? Do you just play your guitar naked in the lily fields, channeling some spiritual feelings? Is it Yoga?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#405380 Nov 27, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth good friend
Back to the Repentent thief...,
In a sense, the timing here is a point of focus. The repentant thief, declared Jesus blameless and asked Jesus, to remember him, when he came into His Kingdom....
Jesus then died.
The thieves died latter as their legs had to be broken.
Thus in a sense the repentent thief died while in desire, which is known as Baptism of Desire.
Jesus was still alive when he said:

Today, you will be with me in paradise...

Jesus had the authority to forgive sins on earth....therefore, I believe he was saved then....

As Jesus hadn't died when he said this to the thief and there was no death, burial and resurrection yet...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405381 Nov 27, 2012
who="Prince Helmut Pipke"
what are you talking about???
how many pipes you smoked before this post?

**********

How is Dundalk? We used to live there.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405382 Nov 27, 2012
who="Robert F"
KayMarie good friend
You might be surprised....
By the way, Jesus was a man too.

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Jesus was MORE than a man...
Let's see you walk on water...

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405383 Nov 27, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus was still alive when he said:
Today, you will be with me in paradise...
Jesus had the authority to forgive sins on earth....therefore, I believe he was saved then....
As Jesus hadn't died when he said this to the thief and there was no death, burial and resurrection yet...
~~~

To me the fact that he was saved is the important event..

That he was cleansed from all unrighteousness, proves the Love of God
works under any and all circumstances..

Jude the brother of Jesus wrote,... later...

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#405384 Nov 27, 2012
DayStorm wrote:
Anyone notice how disingenuous Michael is? One day he says he's an agnostic, the next like in post #405365 he uses atheistic jargon "the invisible man in the sky!"
Michael, you are of your father the devil, he was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.
BTW, it is the FOOL that says in their heart there is no God!
And what does your bible say about calling someone a Fool?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405385 Nov 27, 2012
who="TheBlackSheep" Can you imagine, a supreme being, the creator of all, requiring you, the created, to do anything for it?
Can you imagine this supreme being requiring you to preform rituals to please it?
How f'ing stupid are you?
What do you require of your child?
<quoted text>
Can you imagine torturing your son, for eternity, for simply not believing in you?
Or for making a simple mistake and dying before he could ask for your forgiveness?
No, you would never torture your child for eternity for making any mistake! And you ain't a supreme being!

**********

Silly worldly idea of God. He doesn't torture anyone for making 'a simple mistake'. He is a loving Father.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405386 Nov 27, 2012
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
Not at all.
But I can't see your so-called "Christian love" in the last statement above.
Do you always tell others that they are clueless, and always thinking you are right.
Do you als tell them that you know the mind of "God" so they better be quiet about everything?
You are the clueless one - and more than likely, it is because you have listened to the nonsense of men, instead of Jesus.
Your old-school mentality has not been valid for quite some time.

**********

No, you are the one who disses everyone on here. You are always right in your own eyes...and, in your eyes, no one else knows anything.

That is why I said that you are clueless...

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405387 Nov 27, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
And what does your bible say about calling someone a Fool?
The Bible says Old testament

Psa_53:1 t A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

New Testament..

Mat_5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405388 Nov 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="TheBlackSheep" Can you imagine, a supreme being, the creator of all, requiring you, the created, to do anything for it?
Can you imagine this supreme being requiring you to preform rituals to please it?
How f'ing stupid are you?
What do you require of your child?
<quoted text>
Can you imagine torturing your son, for eternity, for simply not believing in you?
Or for making a simple mistake and dying before he could ask for your forgiveness?
No, you would never torture your child for eternity for making any mistake! And you ain't a supreme being!
**********
Silly worldly idea of God. He doesn't torture anyone for making 'a simple mistake'. He is a loving Father.
KayMarie
~~~
God forgives sin if we own that we have sinned

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405389 Nov 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
_~~~
YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT...
The word WE WERE DISCUSSING WAS RITUAL...NOT ROMISH..
RITUAL
CHURCH, n.
1. A house consecrated to the worship of God, among Christians; the Lords house. This seems to be the original meaning of the word. The Greek, to call out or call together, denotes an assembly or collection. But, Lord, a term applied by the early Christians to Jesus Christ; and the house in which they worshipped was named from the title. So church goods, bona ecclesiastica; the Lords day, dies dominica.
2. The collective body of Christians, or of those who profess to believe in Christ, and acknowledge him to be the Savior of mankind. In this sense, the church is sometimes called the Catholic or Universal Church.
3. A particular number of christens, united under one form of ecclesiastical government, in one creed, and using the same ritual and ceremonies; as the English church; the Gallican church; the Presbyterian church; the Romish church; the Greek church.
4. The followers of Christ in a particular city or province; as the church of Ephesus, or of Antioch.
5. The disciples of Christ assembled for worship in a particular place, as in a private house. Col 4.
6. The worshipers of Jehovah or the true God, before the advent of Christ; as the Jewish church.
7. The body of clergy, or ecclesiastics, in distinction from the laity. Hence, ecclesiastical authority.
8. An assembly of sacred rulers convened in Christs name to execute his laws.
9. The collective body of Christians, who have made a public profession of the Christian religion, and who are untied under the same pastor; in distinction from those who belong to the same parish, or ecclesiastical society, but have made no profession of their faith.
CHURCH, v.t. To perform with any one the office of returning thanks in the church, after any signal deliverance, as from the dangers of childbirth.
Ritual.DEFINED

Ritual
RIT'UAL, a.

1. Pertaining to rites; consisting of rites; as ritual service or sacrifices.

2. Prescribing rites; as the ritual law.

RIT'UAL, n. A book containing the rites to be observed, or the manner of performing divine service in a particular church, diocese or the like.

~~~
RITUAL DEFINED

Solemnize
SOL'EMNIZE, v.t.

1. To dignify or honor by ceremonies; to celebrate; as, to solemnize the birth of Christ. Their choice nobility and flow'r met from all parts to solemnize this feast.

2. To perform with ritual ceremonies and respect, or according to legal forms; as, to solemnize a marriage.

3. To peform religiouly once a year.

4. To make grave, serious and reverential; as, to solemnize the mind for the duties of the sanctuary.[This use of the word is well authorized in the United States.]

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405390 Nov 27, 2012
who="Fr Robert Dye"
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Then you don't pay very close attention.
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I've said it more than once.
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Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior of the World. There is no other name, in the Heavens or on the Earth, by which we are to be saved. He died on the cross to save us from the consequence of our sins, and rose from the dead to bring us to everlasting life.
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This is the Catholic faith.
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You can pretend to be an authoritative teacher of the Catholic Faith.
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Okay.
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So granted.
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Now, whenever you misrepresent Catholic Teaching, you will be held responsible for it.
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You have presented yourself as an authoritative teacher mpre than once, refusing to defer to Catholics who insist that what you say we believe is not correct.
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Never do you acknowledge that you do not really know, and that the question really ought to be addressed to a Catholic, or even better, a priest.
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So you can have your claim, that you know better than Catholics and even priests what the Catholic faith teaches.
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Were I you, I'd think very carefully about what you have done, but I am pretty sure you never will. Your hatred for Catholics and the Catholic Church is simply too strong for you to ever say something so simple as "I don't teally know that."
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Good luck.
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You'll need it.
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Rob

**********

Rob...I have no hatred for any Catholic. I have friends who are Catholic...and a few relatives. I believe that Catholics miss it on some issues...but as to being told differently...I wouldn't have to go too far on this forum to show you that the Catholic 'viewpoint' is that "The R.C. is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH". The Catholic POV...not only on here, but in CATHOLIC books I have, teaches that Protestantism is of the devil. Only a couple of you have been willing to recognize us as Christians at all.

Martin Luther is often portrayed as an insane person. He was not a perfect man (there aren't any), but he brought us a wonderful truth that we can have fellowship with God BY FAITH...and NO human being can excommunicate us.

I do not tell you these things to offend you, but I don't look to my denomination to save me. R.C.'s seem to feel that if they are out of harmony with the R.C., they are bound for hell for sure.

Try to understand...
KayMarie

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405391 Nov 27, 2012
DayStorm wrote:
<quoted text>
ROTFLOL! Um...
"He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned."
"he that believeth" - choice - action by Self.
"and is baptized" - choice - action by Self
"shall be saved" - supposition because the closest anyone has come to actually dying are through NDEs, and many Atheists - as with this website stories suggests - "God" pays not to what religion one practices
http://near-death.com/atheists.html

"but he that believeth not shall be condemned"
- another supposition made by someone who has not died.
- Why do people continue to believe this?
+ A: Fear
+ One does not need to fear death, but the individuals you believe, unfortunately instills this fear into a person, instead of teaching the fundamental morals of right and wrong, love and hate, and peace and conflict. If one can learn the good things in life, then that fear should not be within the mind.

But you refuse to accept this "peace within", especially if another non-Catholic has it already instilled.

Your ignorance is beginning to show DS.

Uhmmm....Open your mind - there is much more in the world you plainly cannot see or understand.
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#405392 Nov 27, 2012
DayStorm wrote:
Anyone notice how disingenuous Michael is? One day he says he's an agnostic, the next like in post #405365 he uses atheistic jargon "the invisible man in the sky!"
Michael, you are of your father the devil, he was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.
BTW, it is the FOOL that says in their heart there is no God!
The anti-Christ is here.

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