Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

[4GVN]

preston wrote:

<quoted text>why dont you shut up?
THAT IS OVER AND DONE WITH. YOU CALL ME NAMES CONSTANTLY.

Goodbye Presto. Or do you admit that you are a liar and will stay anyway?

[Robert F]

Clay wrote:

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Thank you Robert. The Inquisitions were started by the Catholic Church to PREVENT chaos and wrongs committed by Catholic majority countries. The Church felt it would be wise to see a fair and easy approach to the matter.
The Spanish Inquisition was the one that receives the spotlight because of the sometime brutal approach by the Spanish Monarchy. It got out of hand, prompting Pope Sixtus to write to the Spanish Monarchy:
"Many true and faithful Christians, on the testimony of enemies, rivals, slaves .... Have without any legitimate truth, been thrust into prison, tortured and condemned, deprived of their goods and handed over to the secular arm to be executed to the peril of souls...setting a pernicious example and disgust to many"

Clay
Peace

I am quite tired of seeing the same throwing of stones, concerning the time of the Inquisitions....There are so many factors, in a society that is foreign to us, and a time when records were not kept(or "lost", that there is little hope of going over and over it again and again with the same people....Apparently the only one really keeping records was the RCC....

It seems to me more likely that the stone-throwers are judging first before the facts, and prefer to build a case against the RCC in order to destroy it:

(Reminds me of the woman caught in adultery, and Jesus said he who is sinless, let him cast the first stone. But in this case they throw stones....)

But the stone throwers, especially to follow the leaders of their movements, with their own interpretation of Jesus Christ, to promote a sort of cohesion within their ranks.

(I view it more like groups of people grumbling and mumbling in the wilderness wanderings of the Jews in the O.T., against Moses and God.)

[preston]

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

<quoted text>Preston is going to pull one because I said God and NOT Jesus. I guess he deny's Jesus is also God. Sad indeed.

lol, that was just one of your poor "recall" of what was said.

at no time have I ever said "airplane" so quit being such a little child.

I have NEVER heard of any person being shot out of a airplane, while going out to pick up some wounded.

so just grow up and quit acting so stupid.

and spend more time reading ellen's false prophecies.

[preston]

4GVN wrote:

<quoted text>Goodbye Presto. Or do you admit that you are a liar and will stay anyway?

have YOU ever let your emotions take over. I was guilty of that, that in and of itself doesnt make my any different than any other person on this forum.
as I said when I used that term, I lost my sister in law because of a drunk driver. also my b est friend wa almost killed because of apeson being drunk.

he word that I would use for you is TROUBLEMAKER.

I made adeal with both of youif you could locate a post wher I said that I saw God(his word, not mine) in an airplane, I would leave.

that an that alone was the deal, nothing else. for you to indicate otherwise show how much of a liar and deceiver that you are.

[Dust Storm]

LTM wrote:

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I would not submit to Islam D.S. They don't believe in Jesus.
Cont

I know...I was speaking facetiously with sarcasm. Clay and the Catholics understand that, but I know that most things go over your head and you do not understand points. It is truly amazing that you believe you can understand the bible when the smallest of things zoom past your limited ability to reason.

You are incapable of opening your mind. You never read anything for a balanced view. You close your mind and immediately seek to find anything anti-catholic to spam the thread with. You have no interest in truth or shcholarly work and you have yet to present an intelligent argument on anything. I ignore you because you are a waste of time. Clay and the Catholics who read my response understand what I was saying. You addressed nothing in the articles or the points made. Proverbs tells us not to argue with fools. Your foolishness has been seen so often it would be a miracle to see a reasoned or intellectual response from you.

[preston]

Full of Love wrote:

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If I may?
I researched a few years ago on how people lived back in Christ time and what kind of houses they lived in.
The kind of houses they lived in were two stories.
They had the upper room that they lived in.
On the bottom level,they actually kept their best animals there.
Because they were afraid someone would steal them.
Mostly lambs that they used for sacrifice.
So,it is possible that animals could have been in the same room that Jesus was born in.
I tend to think that it was in one of those bottom levels of a home that Jesus was born.
There would have been a manger there.
More than likely,a woman living in the home would be a midwife and was there to help with delivering baby Jesus.
Who knows? It could have been one of Josephs families homes they were staying.
That's just my opinion,going by the research on how people lived back then.

Karen I showed a picture of the cave where He laid in. it was either a natural cave or dug out of the hillside.when the muslims took over they almost destroyed it, however wiser people took over and saved it by placing blocks at the entrance so they couldnt ride their horses in it and destroy it.

The antiquity of the association of the site with the birth of Jesus is attested by the Christian apologist Justin Martyr (c. 100 – 165 AD, who noted in his Dialogue with Trypho that the Holy Family had taken refuge in a cave outside of town:

Joseph took up his quarters in a certain cave near the village; and while they were there Mary brought forth the Christ and placed Him in a manger, and here the Magi who came from Arabia found Him.(chapter LXXVIII).

Origen of Alexandria (185 AD - circa. 254 AD) wrote:

In Bethlehem the cave is pointed out where He was born, and the manger in the cave where He was wrapped in swaddling clothes. And the rumor is in those places, and among foreigners of the Faith, that indeed Jesus was born in this cave who is worshipped and reverenced by the Christians.(Contra Celsum, book I, chapter LI).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Na...

http://www.bing.com/images/search...

[preston]

Free Mind wrote:

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So much whining and hatred of America's Reformation ideals, a real man would walk his talk and move his entire family to any number of Catholic paradises to the south.
Peru might be nice.
Or stay here and hate America. Who knows, the great Vatican dream of destroying this country may still come to pass.
Then there will be statues of great Catholic leaders like Mussolini and Franco on every street corner. Freedom of religion will be destroyed, no more trial by jury, or women's rights, and Sunday Mass will again be mandatory.

I heard a rumor, take note, it is only a rumor,

But I heard tha around teh 25 of December, that a star is going to appear over Washington,

and three "wise men" are going to appear there to help settle this mess in Congress.

[Dust Storm]

LTM wrote:

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Ah what about all the aborigials in Canada children taken from their parents and put in schools to be tortured and raped and murdered, by the catholic church. some of these children are still alive today so it wasn't that long ago.
What about all the children in Ireland, who have been killed murdered and torture raped, some who are still alive and have come forward.
You see Clay you can not deny what the catholic church has done, because their history is still being written. They haven't stopped the killings and torments and rape of the children.
To make it worse your Pope the present one, stated, in some societies, sex with children is tolerated.
Does it make it right "NO" and for a man to rape a child by force
we are talking "SODOMY" here Clay think about it and have your Pope justify it by saying its acceptable in some societies.
God have mercy on his soul.

You sick, demented and foolish woman. The Pope never justied any of what you claim. Apparently it is your Christian duty to lie and slander.

[LTM]

Dust Storm wrote:

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I know...I was speaking facetiously with sarcasm. Clay and the Catholics understand that, but I know that most things go over your head and you do not understand points. It is truly amazing that you believe you can understand the bible when the smallest of things zoom past your limited ability to reason.
You are incapable of opening your mind. You never read anything for a balanced view. You close your mind and immediately seek to find anything anti-catholic to spam the thread with. You have no interest in truth or shcholarly work and you have yet to present an intelligent argument on anything. I ignore you because you are a waste of time. Clay and the Catholics who read my response understand what I was saying. You addressed nothing in the articles or the points made. Proverbs tells us not to argue with fools. Your foolishness has been seen so often it would be a miracle to see a reasoned or intellectual response from you.

D.S. Its not surprising that I didn't understand your sarcasim.
when it comes to murder , torture and rape, using sarcasim for catholic's is childs play.
Now I am being sarcastic D.S. I didn't write the History books, what I posted was facts, and it wasn't just aimed at the catholic's . if you bothered to read it, but hey you don't read the Bible now do you so why would you read a history book.

[4GVN]

Fr Robert Dye wrote:

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Nonsense.
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You are just being ridiculous.
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If you don't want to read his posts, skip over them.
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One could readily argue that, once one has told a lie, they are forever a liar, yes?
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They may no longer lie, but in e past, if they did it ONCE, it can forever after nbe stated that the person is a "liar."
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Have I ever been drunk?
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Yes.
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Does that mean that I was a drunk, at those times?
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Yep.
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Could someone, after that, say that I am a drunk?
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Yep.
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Offends me not at all.
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I attend a recovery group, and people often make comments regarding "us drunks."
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Just give it a rest, 4GVN. Skip his posts if you must.
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Your approach is infantile.
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Rob

Of course they are infantile. I must converse on his level. And regardless of what you say, I am quite sure that yo don't like eing called a drunk. Nor should any christian have done so. Frankly the man makes my skin crawl with his never ending attacks on everyone. And he beats the horse to death. It is sickening and a reproach to the gospel he claims to be a 'preacher' of. Just sayin'.

[LTM]

Dust Storm wrote:

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You sick, demented and foolish woman. The Pope never justied any of what you claim. Apparently it is your Christian duty to lie and slander.

Sorry to late to beat that horse that the Pope didn't know; because he already confessed that he did. He covered it up and let it continue D.S.

[Full of Love]

preston wrote:

<quoted text>Karen I showed a picture of the cave where He laid in. it was either a natural cave or dug out of the hillside.when the muslims took over they almost destroyed it, however wiser people took over and saved it by placing blocks at the entrance so they couldnt ride their horses in it and destroy it.
The antiquity of the association of the site with the birth of Jesus is attested by the Christian apologist Justin Martyr (c. 100 – 165 AD, who noted in his Dialogue with Trypho that the Holy Family had taken refuge in a cave outside of town:
Joseph took up his quarters in a certain cave near the village; and while they were there Mary brought forth the Christ and placed Him in a manger, and here the Magi who came from Arabia found Him.(chapter LXXVIII).
Origen of Alexandria (185 AD - circa. 254 AD) wrote:
In Bethlehem the cave is pointed out where He was born, and the manger in the cave where He was wrapped in swaddling clothes. And the rumor is in those places, and among foreigners of the Faith, that indeed Jesus was born in this cave who is worshipped and reverenced by the Christians.(Contra Celsum, book I, chapter LI).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Na...
http://www.bing.com/images/search...

Thank you for the info.

[4GVN]

Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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Uhmmmm ...
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While it is true that we as Catholics practice infant baptism, I seriously doubt it it truly ne essary for anyone who has not attained the age of reason.
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Rob
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Rob
Agree. But what do all of the catholics on here say to this statement??? The silence is deafening.

[4GVN]

Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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Uhmmmm ...
Which strikes me as absurd. I'll grant, I don't know of any god to compare God to, but it seems to me that, if God is truly Good, He would not condemn unbaptised infants.
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Jesus DID say it was necessary, but He also seems to make exceptions, such as the Good Thief.
Rob
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Rob
Rob, have you truely considered the possibility that Jesus 'does not make exceptions' but perhaps there is a flaw in the understanding of what the 'GOSPEL' truely is and what part if any, baptism has in ones salvation. And perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what 'born of water' truely means. Is it possible that it is not in referance to water baptism at all?

[LTM]

LTM wrote:

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D.S. Its not surprising that I didn't understand your sarcasim.
when it comes to murder , torture and rape, using sarcasim for catholic's is childs play.
Now I am being sarcastic D.S. I didn't write the History books, what I posted was facts, and it wasn't just aimed at the catholic's . if you bothered to read it, but hey you don't read the Bible now do you so why would you read a history book.

You call me demented D.S. are you serious you following the teachings of a denomination that okayed and covered up the torture murder and rape, for eon's that is still going on to this day.
Either the POPES ordered the torture and murders, or he knew about them and covered them up a.\ In any case he is guilty of crimes agaist humanity. The vatican should be dismantled brick by brick,
the name catholic church should be erased from everything associated with God because it is an abomination to HIS HOLY NAME.
It is the Church of Lucifer.
It is the reason so many people have turned away from God; and have painted all Followers of Jesus and associated us with the catholic church.
I am not catholic or protestant not Islamic.
I am a follower of Jesus Christ I follow 'THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE..

[LTM]

Full of Love wrote:

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Thank you for the info.

I have seen pictures like this before, FOL. I am not sure but I think our Pastor's daughter brought them to our church once along with some of scriptures from the lost sea scrolls.
Or to a prayer meeting can't remember now it was long ago. Its understandable, the manger would be hollowed out of the wall of a cliff as was Jesus's tomb. Its nice to see places where Our Savior walked and talked and lived among people.
How are you doing FOL are you feeling ok??

[preston]

4GVN wrote:

<quoted text>Of course they are infantile. I must converse on his level. And regardless of what you say, I am quite sure that yo don't like eing called a drunk. Nor should any christian have done so. Frankly the man makes my skin crawl with his never ending attacks on everyone. And he beats the horse to death. It is sickening and a reproach to the gospel he claims to be a 'preacher' of. Just sayin'.

you could never converse on my level, I can and could use words that you have never heard of, let alone know what they mean.

in a debate, the person who can make their point and that conclusively is the person who can prove his point beyond reproach.

how many names have people like Orville who has called me a "demon" have you reputed to be accurate?

but with people like him you agree with because I have showed that he isnt what he seems to be , just like you.

you arent fooling anyone.ROB PEGGED YOU TO A TEE

WHO WERE YOU WAS BACK WHEN I PROBABLY DESTROYED YOU.LOL

[LTM]

Bible Verse Of The Day

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV)

www.Christ.com

The Secret of Spiritual Consistency
November 25, 2012
God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ ...—Galatians 6:14

When a person is newly born again, he seems inconsistent due to his unrelated emotions and the state of the external things or circumstances in his life. The apostle Paul had a strong and steady underlying consistency in his life. Consequently, he could let his external life change without internal distress because he was rooted and grounded in God. Most of us are not consistent spiritually because we are more concerned about being consistent externally. In the external expression of things, Paul lived in the basement, while his critics lived on the upper level. And these two levels do not begin to touch each other. But Paul’s consistency was down deep in the fundamentals. The great basis of his consistency was the agony of God in the redemption of the world, namely, the Cross of Christ.

State your beliefs to yourself again. Get back to the foundation of the Cross of Christ, doing away with any belief not based on it. In secular history the Cross is an infinitesimally small thing, but from the biblical perspective it is of more importance than all the empires of the world. If we get away from dwelling on the tragedy of God on the Cross in our preaching, our preaching produces nothing. It will not transmit the energy of God to man; it may be interesting, but it will have no power. However, when we preach the Cross, the energy of God is released.“... it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.... we preach Christ crucified ...”(1 Corinthians 1:21, 23).
Wisdom from Oswald Chambers
To those who have had no agony Jesus says,“I have nothing for you; stand on your own feet, square your own shoulders. I have come for the man who knows he has a bigger handful than he can cope with, who knows there are forces he cannot touch; I will do everything for him if he will let Me. Only let a man grant he needs it, and I will do it for him.”
The Shadow of an Agony
AMEN

[Robert F]

Clay wrote:

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I can't discuss the Inquistion with you people anymore. Its been talked about for a couple hrs now, and I am confident the Catholics on here presented a fair and logical case. If you choose to ignore it or avoid researching it yourself, then its on you. Not my problem.
Heck, Im used to this stuff going in one ear and out the other with you bigots.
By the way, The Inquisition was established by the Church to PREVENT wrongs committed by catholic mobs in various parts of Europe. It was a fair approach to the chaos of the time.

Clay
Peace

It seems to me, that some have to keep up their view of the Inquisition in order to justify their hatred of Catholicism. It would be a betrayal of the foundations of their church and belief system to objectively look at the facts....Of course they can say the same of the Catholic.

Logic and reason in presenting facts and observations of that time in history are of no effect. The anti-Catholic bigot will not do so, nor change beliefs. And to expect another result would be insane. The bigot will of course only look at prejudiced material, so they will not be aware, nor understand....They act on fear, prejudice, pressumption.

But in a way, getting out the facts and observations may not be fruitless to those whose minds are not informed....

[Michael]

4GVN wrote:

<quoted text>You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!! Getting our hopes up like that. LOL kinda

Hello 4GVN.....I guess we should all lighten up a little. Some get a little too serious on here.

If God is above and he is watching, I am sure he is wondering what the hay are we arguing about so much.