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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405182 Nov 27, 2012
Live Action wrote:
The laws were never done away with.they were never nailed to a cross.this is why we live in a sin sick world their would be no reason to have a kingdom or heaven if the laws were kept we would be living in heaven on earth.
come out of this world so that you do not partake in her sins.warning if you do you will be called a nut a looney tunes.people hate the truth because the truth hurts and you might have to change and admit you are wrong.
~~~

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then?

It is excluded.

By what law? of works?

Nay:

but by the law of faith.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude

that a man is justified by faith

without the deeds of the law.

Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only?

is he not also of the Gentiles?

Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God,

which shall justify the circumcision by faith,

and uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith?

God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#405183 Nov 27, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Good Thief ?.........LOL
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LOL?
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Why?
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Do you believe it likely the Good Thief was baptized? To me, it seems rather unlikely ...
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#405184 Nov 27, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
2 Timothy 3:15
15 And that from a child thou hast KNOWN the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee WISE unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Timothy was told to abide in the things he had LEARNED and had been assured of by his mother and grandmother.
A child HAS to be TAUGHT the Word of God....
Psalm 71:6 From birth I have relied on you; you brought me forth from my mother's womb. I will ever praise you.

Psalm 22:9 But you are he that took me out of the womb: you did make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.

Acts 16:15; 31-33; 18:8; 19:2,5 8:12-13; 36; 10:47 Sure is alot of people doing things here and elsewhere that some say arent necessary.

Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized”(“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.

Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults.“Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes”(primarily infants and children). God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism.html

Wont be back today, but I am sure you can find plenty of other Protestants to argue with about something.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#405185 Nov 27, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I will give that job over to you to "forget about anything else he might have said" as you are doing a fine job at it....
I beg your pardon.

I've accepted and use all of what Jesus taught.

Please stop twisting my words to your liking, as they are showing your true intent towards others - to be misleading and inaccurate.

If you have a reading comprehension to what I've stated, please ask before completely changing it.

Do you find comfort in lying about others?
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#405186 Nov 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>. And to quote ROB, it is not necessary..
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Ahhhhh ...
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Let us be careful here.
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It is not ABSOLUTELY necessary.
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For example, there are those who were undergoing instruction in the Christopian faith, but who died before baptism, some of them as martyrs, who died giving witness to the faith.
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That God would condemn these seems contrary to reason.
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If you are saying that it is possible for an adult,
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who is free to request and receive baptism,
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could truthfully say,
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"I do not need to be baptized in order to receive salvation,"
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then, no, that is NOT correct.
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But it appears that Jesus did not make this an ABSOLUTE requirement. He promised paradise to the Good Thief, and it seems highly unlikely that the Good Thief was ever baptized..
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Likewise, the Holy Innocents all died as martyrs, even though they could not give witness to Christian faith, nor were they ever baptized. Yet how can we state that the Lord of All Mercies would condemn the Holy Innocents to Hell? Again, this seems contrary to reason.
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We are bound by the Christ's commands, but He is NOT. If He chooses to make an exception, and slay the fatted calf for someone unbaptized, who are we to question it, or state that it is "unfair," or "not allowed?"
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Rob

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405187 Nov 27, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
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LOL?
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Why?
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Do you believe it likely the Good Thief was baptized? To me, it seems rather unlikely ...
After the "good thief" was saved and believed in Jesus ...

HE WAS NO LONGER A THIEF...

HE WAS -->WASHED (BY FAITH )IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS, <---

HIS SINS WERE ERADICATED.

~~~~

JESUS SAID...

Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized -->(IN HIS BLOOD)<-- shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and

-->sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:<--

Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and

---> the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth,<--- us from all sin.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405188 Nov 27, 2012
who="Fr Robert Dye"
LOL?
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Why?
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Do you believe it likely the Good Thief was baptized? To me, it seems rather unlikely ...

**********

Scripture says that "we are baptized WITH Him INTO HIS DEATH".
The thief was truly (not figuratively) BAPTIZED WITH HIM INTO HIS DEATH.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405189 Nov 27, 2012
Truth wrote:

From darkness to light...
Jesus told Paul....
Acts 26:18
18 to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,~~~~~so that they may receive forgiveness of sins~~~~~ and a place among those who are [[[sanctified]]] by faith in me.’
What makes such a [new creation] and a [new life] a reality in Christ Jesus?

Live Action:
awe haw you admit to satan having power most seem to over look this...
Live Action
Norman, OK

So the question today is what makes the creator a god....answer please.

**********Please notice that men are turned from the power of darkness (satan) TO GOD.

Satan's power is only the power to deceive. He can't make you do anything...but men are drawn away by their own lusts. Men follow the deceitful voice of Satan...not his 'power'.

II The Creator is not A god. He is THE God of heaven and of earth.

KayMarie
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#405190 Nov 27, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>Jews do not perform Christian Baptisms.
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Actually, they can, and sometimes do.
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Anyone can baptize, especially in an emergeny.
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For example, let us suppose a Jewish nurse in a hospital, caring for a Catholic woman giving birth. The child is born amid complications, and the nurse knows it would be the desire of the mother that her child be baptized in the Catholic faith.
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If the nurse pours water over the child's head, with the words "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, with the intention of doing what Christians do when Christians baptize, then this is a valid baptism (according to Catholic Teaching). For the Jewish nurse, this would be a "mitzvah." (Amoral deed performed as a religious duty. As such, the term mitzvah has also come to express an act of human kindness.-Wikipedia)
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Jewish chaplains have been know to perform baptisms under battlefied situations. If done as stated above, those baptisms are vaiid.
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Rob
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#405191 Nov 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>. You are arrogant and condesending to many people in your posts, which is probably just an attempt to cover up your insecurities..
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Pot.
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Kettle.
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Black.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#405192 Nov 27, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
HOJO says........ and inconsistent "popes" who can twist, manipulate and distort the TRUE meaning of Scripture--to their own "demise and destruction"!!
Michael says. This is the first time! HOJO has ever made a negative comment about POPES.
..Personally if you are happy with your belief that is all that matters. What upsets you is that I too, am happy but you can't understand why and don't like it that I am happy.
You comments "definitely prove" that you are not happy!!!----Because--if you were--you would not be spending so much of your "anti-catholic rebellious attitude" --- attacking, condemning, criticizing, and then spreading your distorted ,heretical, and exaggerated lies against Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church. The fact that you "cannot" leave 2000 years of the TRUTH, regarding the Historical and Biblical TRUE teachings of Christ and His Church--ALONE---only shows how hostile, defiant and angry you (really) are!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405193 Nov 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
After the "good thief" was saved and believed in Jesus ...
HE WAS NO LONGER A THIEF...
HE WAS -->WASHED (BY FAITH )IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS, <---
HIS SINS WERE ERADICATED.
~~~~
JESUS SAID...
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized -->(IN HIS BLOOD)<-- shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and
-->sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:<--
Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and
---> the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth,<--- us from all sin.
The blood of Jesus Christ is the atonement for our sins...

HIS OFFERING OF HIS BLOOD FOR OUR SINS

WAS SUFFICIENT FOREVER....AND NEVER NEED BE REPEATED.

___

THE TYPE OF HIS OFFERING OF HIMSELF IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

NOTE..THE OFFERING OF THE BLOOD OF JESUS FOR OUR SINS..IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands,

which are the figures of the true;

but into heaven itself,

now to appear in the presence of God for us:


Heb 9:25

Nor yet that he should offer himself often,

(as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered

since the foundation of the world:)

but now once in the end of the world

hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered

to bear the sins of many;

and unto them that look for him shall

he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#405194 Nov 27, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
Can you imagine, a supreme being, the creator of all, requiring you, the created, to do anything for it?
Can you imagine this supreme being requiring you to preform rituals to please it?
How f'ing stupid are you?
What do you require of your child?
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Had I a child, would I require anything or any action so that I would LOVE him or her?
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No. Absolutely not.
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Would I require anything of him or her, some conformity to what I believe is right, in order to grant my child an inheritance?
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Yes.
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If my children rejected what I taught them and told me they would not live according to the way I raised them, or tried to, would I still have love for them?
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Yes.
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But I would probably leave any money I might have to a shelter for the poor, or for pregnant woman, and NOT to my children, who rejected what I taught and instructed.
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There is a difference between loving someone and granting them an inheritance.
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A *big* difference.
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Rob

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405195 Nov 27, 2012
who="Dust Storm"
Psalm 71:6 From birth I have relied on you; you brought me forth from my mother's womb. I will ever praise you.
Psalm 22:9 But you are he that took me out of the womb: you did make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Acts 16:15; 31-33; 18:8; 19:2,5 8:12-13; 36; 10:47 Sure is alot of people doing things here and elsewhere that some say arent necessary.
Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized”(“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.
Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults.“Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes”(primarily infants and children). God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism.html
Wont be back today, but I am sure you can find plenty of other Protestants to argue with about something.

**********

Read more closely: "The promise (of the Holy Spirit Joel 2) is UNTO YOU, AND unto your children, AND to all who are afar off (even today), as many as the Lord our God shall call." Peter was not referring to water baptism, but to "the promise" (Acts I:4-8).

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405196 Nov 27, 2012
who="Live Action" The laws were never done away with.they were never nailed to a cross.this is why we live in a sin sick world their would be no reason to have a kingdom or heaven if the laws were kept we would be living in heaven on earth.
come out of this world so that you do not partake in her sins.warning if you do you will be called a nut a looney tunes.people hate the truth because the truth hurts and you might have to change and admit you are wrong.

**********

It was our sin that was nailed to His cross. Jesus said, I did not come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it. He further said that LOVE is the fulfilling of the law. Thus His love led Him to lay down His life for us...completely fulfilling the 'law'(God's instructions for righteousness.)

KayMarie
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#405197 Nov 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Fr Robert Dye"
LOL?
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Why?
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Do you believe it likely the Good Thief was baptized? To me, it seems rather unlikely ...
**********
Scripture says that "we are baptized WITH Him INTO HIS DEATH".
The thief was truly (not figuratively) BAPTIZED WITH HIM INTO HIS DEATH.
KayMarie
All right, you are saying the Good Thief received a "Baptism of Blood."
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Well and good.(Are you SURE you aren't a Catholic?)
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But we are speaking of water baptism, and whether it is absolutely necessary in all cases, or are there any exceptions?
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If you are trying to say that the Good Thief is NOT an exception to the necessity of water baptism, because he received "Baptism of Blood," well, you are not thinking logically.
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The Baptism of Blood IS an exception to the necessity of water baptism.
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Or are you trying to say they are the same thing?
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They are not.
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Water Baptism is the norm, and what Jesus said He intended we should do.
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Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire are extraordinary circumstances, and appear to be logical exceptions to the norm (the rule) of water baptism.
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In a similar way, water baptism by immersion ought to be the norm, as it best expresses the sign of "Dying with Christ." Baptism by pouring would logically be *allowed* for cases where immersion is not possible or advisable (the sick, the dying, infants).
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(And yes, the CC is not at a Best Practice on this. I wish we were. If I had my way, we would never baptize a healthy adult via any manner but full immersion. Not because pouring is not valid--it is--but because pouring pales in sign value when compared with full immersion.)
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Rob

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405198 Nov 27, 2012
who="Live Action" Are you well if so you would know what it says about the scribes and the law...And the word is his laws.my heart is full of the laws not a bunch of lies.

*********

The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked. Who can know it (their heart)?

KayMarie
Michael

Canada

#405199 Nov 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You won't acknowledge a couple truths from Catholics.
1. We Baptize our infants because we feel Christ wants us too. We told you how its the new circumcision...the 'welcoming of a child into Christ'. How come you don't blast Jews for not waiting til their children are teenagers to circumcise them?
2. All Catholics are required to make another Holy Sacrament. Confirmation. This is like Baptism, but we do it on our own accord at an age of maturity. Usually right before high school. Its similar to your alter calls.
You should also step back and realize that the devil most certainly does not want two parents bringing their children to be Baptize either.
So, when you guys publicly teach that baptism of children isn't necessary, you best pray you're correct. If you should be wrong, you'll have to look Christ in the eye someday and explain why you felt justified in changing earlier understandings of Baptism. My advice is to not tamper with things you know little about.
Clay says......

1. We Baptize our infants because we feel Christ wants us too.

2. Catholics are required to make another Holy Sacrament. Confirmation. This is like Baptism, but we do it on our own accord at an age of maturity.

Michael says......

Infants are baptized so they don't grow up and use their own personal knowledge to decide their own religion or none.

Confirmation is not done on your own accord. I was confirmed like you and there was NO WAY my parents would have it any other way. Could you Clay tell your parents you didn't want to be confirmed?

Get real!



“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#405200 Nov 27, 2012
who="Truth" We become spiritually dead by our own choice and practice of sin.

*********

Were that the case, there would be a super good class, and a super evil one. Were that the case, there would have been no need of a savior.

The sin of Adam is like part of our DNA. It is also the root of all sin. "There is NONE that sins not, NO, NOT ONE."

The New Birth awakens our heart to His Word/Desire, and His Spirit leads us to overcome sinful deeds. You can't do that on your own.

KayMarie
marge

Leesburg, GA

#405201 Nov 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
After the "good thief" was saved and believed in Jesus ...
HE WAS NO LONGER A THIEF...
HE WAS -->WASHED (BY FAITH )IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS, <---
HIS SINS WERE ERADICATED.
~~~~
JESUS SAID...
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized -->(IN HIS BLOOD)<-- shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and
-->sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:<--
Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and
---> the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth,<--- us from all sin.
YEP

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