Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
truth

Perth, Australia

#404693 Nov 25, 2012
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ljubit cu te cijele noci..

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Orville

Portland, OR

#404694 Nov 25, 2012
4GVN wrote:
Preston, you said you would leave topix for ever if we could show where you lied. Well here it is. You called Rob a drunk. But Rob is not a drunk. In fact he hasn't been a drunk for many years. You are a liar and a FALSE accuser. Now get off of topix or everyone will see you for what you are. A mean, sick accuser of all believers and a LIAR! Bye- bye Preston.


4GVN,
Can we expect a liar to keep his word? Preston is a Roman troll. A vile, decadent, breeding ground of everything evil.
preston

Waverly, OH

#404695 Nov 25, 2012
4GVN wrote:
Preston, you said you would leave topix for ever if we could show where you lied. Well here it is. You called Rob a drunk. But Rob is not a drunk. In fact he hasn't been a drunk for many years. You are a liar and a FALSE accuser. Now get off of topix or everyone will see you for what you are. A mean, sick accuser of all believers and a LIAR! Bye- bye Preston.
why dont you shut up?

THAT IS OVER AND DONE WITH. YOU CALL ME NAMES CONSTANTLY.
preston

Waverly, OH

#404696 Nov 25, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Goodness 4gvn, he posted that 3 days ago and you keep re-posting it as if you're having a current conversation about it.
If Fr. Dye is on the same page with Rome (and I know he is) than its all good.
he is an evil little illigetinmate person, int he?
I said that if they could find a post where I lied about being in an airplane I would leave, of course they couldnt and they didnt leave.
and when I was hurt it was in a helicopter.that I was shot and fell out
preston

Waverly, OH

#404697 Nov 25, 2012
Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
4GVN,
Can we expect a liar to keep his word? Preston is a Roman troll. A vile, decadent, breeding ground of everything evil.
the del between me and him and teh sda was that if tehy could find apost wher I said that God appearred to me in an aiplane I would leave, if not they would leave.

well guess what,they couldnt find one and they refuse to leave.

but if they had one, I would have left.

and since I know the Bible pretty well, for the sda to use the Name of God instead of Jesus, I would ,like everyone else, have never seen His face. just goes to show how stupid you people that are against me are.
I am a man not a sniviling coward like you are along with them.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#404699 Nov 25, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Pope says christianity has made a miscalculation of important events and dates.
1) There is no basis for historical fact of the birth year of Jesus.
2) There is no basis for hsitorcal fact of December 25
3) There is no basis for historical fact of farm animals in the nativity scene that all catholics originally believed and practiced.
What is coming down the pipe next Clay?
Clay says......did read the article. Sorry man, there was nothing shocking in it. I don't know what to tell you mike. I never once thought the Church (or anyone) could possibly know the exact yr Christ was born.
Michael says....
Don't know the birthday and year of the most important man in christianity? Don't know what he did for a living to support himself? Don't even know what this man looked like? Don't know the dates of the crucixion and resurrection yet christians claim these to be the MOST IMPORTANT dates on their calendar? How can you say you know Jesus when you don't know anything about him?
Clay says.......how could anyone know the exact year?
Michael says......Julius Cesaer we know plenty!
) Born July 100 BC in Subura Rome
) Died March 15, 44 BC. age 55.
) We know what he did for a living.
4) We know what he looked like as we still have coins today that depict his image.
5) Many Mulitiple sources of information about this man.
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Jesus we know nothing! really!
You tell me what I posted that upsets you? I posted the truth. How can the truth upset you so?
If I may?

I researched a few years ago on how people lived back in Christ time and what kind of houses they lived in.

The kind of houses they lived in were two stories.

They had the upper room that they lived in.
On the bottom level,they actually kept their best animals there.
Because they were afraid someone would steal them.
Mostly lambs that they used for sacrifice.
So,it is possible that animals could have been in the same room that Jesus was born in.

I tend to think that it was in one of those bottom levels of a home that Jesus was born.
There would have been a manger there.

More than likely,a woman living in the home would be a midwife and was there to help with delivering baby Jesus.

Who knows? It could have been one of Josephs families homes they were staying.

That's just my opinion,going by the research on how people lived back then.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#404700 Nov 25, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ireland 1649
The Catholic Faith is banned by invading Protestants. Churches are desecrated. A bounty of ten pounds is placed on each Priests head. Those captured are hung until nearly dead, their stomachs cut open with cleaving knives, disembowled while still alive then beheaded.
Finally, their bodies are chopped in 4 pcs. Anyone found harboring a Priest is hanged immediately.
Nevertheless, it is Sunday, and you owe an obligation to God that is higher than any in the English Government. Arising at Midnight, your wife readies the children for the long chilly walk to Mass......
read more
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm...
So much whining and hatred of America's Reformation ideals, a real man would walk his talk and move his entire family to any number of Catholic paradises to the south.

Peru might be nice.

Or stay here and hate America. Who knows, the great Vatican dream of destroying this country may still come to pass.

Then there will be statues of great Catholic leaders like Mussolini and Franco on every street corner. Freedom of religion will be destroyed, no more trial by jury, or women's rights, and Sunday Mass will again be mandatory.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404701 Nov 25, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If you cling to those cult pamphlets LTM, they will lead you straight to hell. Avoid them at all costs. Don't be so gullible.
Clay these are known facts, its history . The reformers like Luther were guilty of some terrible crimes of their own but hey after all they were catholic's and learned their lessons well on how to torture and kill people.
Killing and torturing people in the name of God; I guess they didn't take the Ten Commandments serious, "THOU SHALL NOT KILL"
IF GOD FORBIDS KILLING THEN IN WHO'S NAME WERE THEY KILLING AND TORTURING PEOPLE.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404702 Nov 25, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Clay,but such propaganda can be found in the RC books as well against prots and non-Catholic Christians. History is recorded in a secular setting as well,and all churches are candidly exposed for whatever sins or flaws that have discredited them.Sorry if secular history records much of the disgrace and evil perpetrated by the RCC. It is all disturbing.But think of this Clay in spite of each and every one of our sins and sordid past,a SAVIOR is there to save us from glory to glory.
I do not believe a church is totally bad or totally good,because MEN and Women are in all of them,for better or worse,as a marriage as it were,our churches are the product of men and women flawed by their own sins,yet inspired by the same God as well.
When Jesus returns only than will the the true church be revealed,and the bride will be united with her husband.Why will we be changed in the twinkling of an eye from corruptible to incorruptible? Yes because of our flesh which retains our sinful nature,our evil past,our own stubborn will.But yet our spirits renewed by Christ knows no sin,that is why we battle constantly flesh against spirit.What church we attend and belong to today is our decision,We have the resources to live a holy life by the WORD,and His Spirit who bought us.
We argue here because many of us know that the institution is not what saves us,for it is flawed and sick at times, but Christ alone is the Savior,He gives grace and more grace as we yield to His love.The Holy Spirit is our Comforter,the Word does not tell us that any human being can be our comforter save the Holy Spirit.If it were so,the Lord would have told us that He would send many men and women to comfort us,but instead He said that He would send the Comforter.
To love the church is to love every believer,not some institution of man made substance,but the believer in Christ who is a member of the Body of Christ.We all who have embraced Christ are members of His Body,and that is the church.I do not know what you see when you see the c h u r c h,but when I see it I see all believers who are born of the Spirit of God,washed in the Blood of Christ,and filled with the Holy Spirit of Promise.But that is what we should become,and only in Christ do we have that truth to be complete in the Day of the LORD,our God. When we attack each other's institutions we forget that we are really part of His Body,because Christ has made it so through Calvary.But institutional church structure is our human effort to fulfill Christ's mandate to make disciples of all nations.Christ always remains above our human efforts to institutionalize His body.History as proven to us our fallacy in this way,but we remain bound to our traditions.
Well in spite of this we can still KNOW and LOVE the Lord Jesus Christ,and follow Him even to the death!
AMEN : We also know Pad that nothing has been learned from the killings on both sides Protestants,, or catholic.
Killing anyone is wrong no matter who does the killing. but to try and use God for the reason for killing is an abomination.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404703 Nov 25, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Not in the sense that they wish to portray.
They cannot comprehend as many in America cant nor do they understand the freedoms Americans or the west have. They were all beating war drums before the Iraq war.
I have no doubt LTM would be more than happy to submit to Islam or be put to death for having a bible which is the current penalty in Saudi Arabia. I am sure she was just fine with planes being flown into the WTC. I have no doubt she would have absolutely no problem at all if she, her parents or children were raped, murdered, tortured, forced to convert or if allowed to exist at all would pay most of your wages for the priveledge of being allowed to exist. I know of course no protestants have a problem with the many in the middle east right now who are being forced to leave to survive.(sarcasm) Well to be fair I am sure ltm is ok with it as long as they are Catholic and as long as it doesnt concern her where she lives. I am sure she would have no problem at all if Israel was wiped off the earth. Yeah she could just go to Saudi Arabia right now and whip out her kjv and show them how its done.
Islam means submission, and not just a passive submission to the book of Islam, the Koran. Submission for the followers of Mohammed means to carry out the will of Allah in history. The Muslim doctrine of the jihad, or holy war, stemmed from the ideas of the prophet himself—that is, that it was Allah’s will for a permanent war to reign until the rule of Islam extended over all the world. Hence Islam’s political domination could be, and was, spread by the sword. This is why Hillaire Belloc predicted almost a century ago that the West could again see a threat from Islam:
“It very nearly destroyed us. It kept up the battle against Christendom actively for a thousand years, and the story is by no means over; the power of Islam may at any moment re-arise”(5)
(5) Hillaire Belloc, The Great Heresies, Chapter Four
But, back to the history. By the second half of the 12th century, the Turks had brandished the sword and were creating considerable hardships for Western pilgrims in the East. Travel was no longer safe for Christian pilgrims without an armed escort, and even then, Christians who managed to return to the West had dreadful tales of persecution to tell.
When the call for a Crusade was finally made by Blessed Pope Urban II at Clermont in 1095, he stressed the outrages suffered by fellow Christians at the hands of the militant Muslims:
“They [the Muslim Turks] have invaded the lands of those Christians and have depopulated them by the sword, pillage and fire; they have led away a part of the captives into their own country, and a part they have destroyed by cruel tortures .… They circumcise the Christians, and the blood of the circumcision they either spread upon the altars or pour into the vases of the baptismal font. When they wish to torture people by a base death, they perforate their navels, and dragging forth the extremity of the intestines, bind it to a stake; then with flogging they lead the victim around until the viscera having gushed forth the victim falls prostrate upon the ground. Others they bind to a post and pierce with arrows. Others they compel to extend their necks and then, attacking them with naked swords, attempt to cut through the neck with a single blow. What shall I say of the abominable rape of the women? To speak of it is worse than to be silent .… On whom therefore is the labor of avenging these wrongs and of recovering this territory incumbent, if not upon you?”(6)
(6) Dana C. Munro,“Urban and the Crusaders”, Translations and Reprints from the Original Sources of European History, Vol. 1:2,(Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, 1895), 5-8
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
I would not submit to Islam D.S. They don't believe in Jesus.
Cont
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#404704 Nov 25, 2012
4GVN wrote:
Preston, you said you would leave topix for ever if we could show where you lied. Well here it is. You called Rob a drunk. But Rob is not a drunk. In fact he hasn't been a drunk for many years. You are a liar and a FALSE accuser. Now get off of topix or everyone will see you for what you are. A mean, sick accuser of all believers and a LIAR! Bye- bye Preston.
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Nonsense.
.
You are just being ridiculous.
.
If you don't want to read his posts, skip over them.
.
One could readily argue that, once one has told a lie, they are forever a liar, yes?
.
They may no longer lie, but in e past, if they did it ONCE, it can forever after nbe stated that the person is a "liar."
.
Have I ever been drunk?
.
Yes.
.
Does that mean that I was a drunk, at those times?
.
Yep.
.
Could someone, after that, say that I am a drunk?
.
Yep.
.
Offends me not at all.
.
I attend a recovery group, and people often make comments regarding "us drunks."
.
Just give it a rest, 4GVN. Skip his posts if you must.
.
Your approach is infantile.
.
Rob
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404705 Nov 25, 2012
Dust Storm said
I have no doubt LTM would be more than happy to submit to Islam or be put to death for having a bible which is the current penalty in Saudi Arabia. I am sure she was just fine with planes being flown into the WTC. I have no doubt she would have absolutely no problem at all if she, her parents or children were raped, murdered, tortured, forced to convert or if allowed to exist at all would pay most of your wages for the priveledge of being allowed to exist. I know of course no protestants have a problem with the many in the middle east right now who are being forced to leave to survive.(sarcasm) Well to be fair I am sure ltm is ok with it as long as they are Catholic and as long as it doesnt concern her where she lives. I am sure she would have no problem at all if Israel was wiped off the earth. Yeah she could just go to Saudi Arabia right now and whip out her kjv and show them how its done.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I would not turn to Islam, they don't believe in Jesus.
I don't believe in any killing at all , I won't even kill a spider so I sure won't kill a human being.
Killing was done on both sides, D.S.
Actually D.S. I was talking to a woman on a bus in Toronto, about Jesus when a Muslim came at me from across the otherside of the bus and screamed in my face their was no Jesus, he had a religious sword on his side and his hand was on it when he screamed at me.
So do you think I was going to try and argue with this man, I got my message across to the woman and we both got off the bus at the next stop.
I lived and worked as a Superintendent in Toronto,I had All Nations living and getting along in the 21 story building I worked in.
There was Muslims, Hindues, Buddist, and Christians, I got along with them all D.S.

The WTC was an inside job, D.S.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404706 Nov 25, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we are sorry you choose to remain ignorant. The facts are shocking to most Protestants who are utterly clueless of not only where the bible came from (attested to by protestant shclars and proved numerous times on this forum) but any knowledge of history at all other than blown up myths. Unfortunately you have no interest in the truth acknowledged by Protestants and secular historians even in a BBC documentary.
I have no doubt you were beating the war drums along with most of the evangelical and fundy protestants who were screaming for Muslim heads after 911. Its ok though if the Govt goes to war then its not a problem. It would only be evil if the Catholic Church was involved. ;0 Its ok says the polls amongst evangelicals to torture. The same ones who say, "We would not have done that if the Church and State were intertwined like it was in the days of Old. You would have no problem if I started to force your children to be Catholic right? You would have no problem if they were forced to be Muslim or JW or LDS right? LOL I guess that makes you evil by your standards. Most of Nazi Germany was Protestant, but they werent enlightened like you eh? It was all the churches evil fault the church should have remained silent and done nothing while Christians pleaded to them for help from severe opression, rape, murder, torture, opressive taxes. That was the right thing to do? Ignore their pleas?
The Inquisitions did not involve anyone who was Jewish or Muslim. Your ignorance is showing again, just as your ignorance of the Catholic faith has shown quite often. You can grow up in the faith and know little about it as has been demonstrated by many on this forum. You get what you put into it. Your knowledge is severely lacking so please spare us the you know routine. lol
The Bombing of the WTC, was spawned on American soil D.S.
For a reason to go to war, for oil.
Papa and Jr. Bush . have blood on their hands American Blood.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#404707 Nov 25, 2012
Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
4GVN,
Can we expect a liar to keep his word? Preston is a Roman troll. A vile, decadent, breeding ground of everything evil.
emeber several post back when he told Mariam the following:

Comments (Page 13,390)

Miriam wrote:

<quoted text>
Why do you call me lily?

preston wrote
lol, every troll gets called lily, you aint no exception.

7th Day writes:

Lily the Roman Troll..........LOL
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404708 Nov 25, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is, there wasn't torture and murder by the Catholic Church. You been lied to and you took it. Heck....you're still taking it
Ah what about all the aborigials in Canada children taken from their parents and put in schools to be tortured and raped and murdered, by the catholic church. some of these children are still alive today so it wasn't that long ago.
What about all the children in Ireland, who have been killed murdered and torture raped, some who are still alive and have come forward.
You see Clay you can not deny what the catholic church has done, because their history is still being written. They haven't stopped the killings and torments and rape of the children.

To make it worse your Pope the present one, stated, in some societies, sex with children is tolerated.
Does it make it right "NO" and for a man to rape a child by force
we are talking "SODOMY" here Clay think about it and have your Pope justify it by saying its acceptable in some societies.
God have mercy on his soul.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#404709 Nov 25, 2012
Hey guys! lets all put our differances aside and be friends.Lifes to short(trust me I have learned alot this years)Jesus would have wanted us to Love and respect each other.We are ALL Gods children!Hermi is recovering slowly.We are so thankful and blessed for his recovery.Our goal is for him to be able to attend Christmas mass without oxygen!And Hey,We Love You All!!!!!Thank you soooooo much for all your prayers....Regina,hope your well and good to see you.Been so busy here with Nicks and all his doctors appointments...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#404710 Nov 25, 2012
Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
4GVN,
Can we expect a liar to keep his word? Preston is a Roman troll. A vile, decadent, breeding ground of everything evil.
Preston is going to pull one because I said God and NOT Jesus. I guess he deny's Jesus is also God. Sad indeed.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#404711 Nov 25, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>

I do not doubt for one minute that you always hated non=Lutheran Christians,and now that you are in the real Catholic church and not playing a psuedo Catholic role as a Lutheran,you can continue to hate non-Catholic Christians.It is so obvious in your posts.Catholics such as you who switch from Lutheranism or Anglicanism(episcopal) were always catholic.
"Bible only" that is so lame an argument to keep the House of God divided!
WRONG AGAIN Pad, which is nothing new to me or to any other Catholics on this forum who refuse to be "duped" by the anti-catholic "trash" that you and other Protestants are so famous for,(throwing around). The fact is that I (do not now nor ever have) hated non-Catholics. They are my "brothers and sisters" in Christ, even though they have all "rejected" the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the FAITH in Jesus Christ, in and through His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. Any division, that you refer to, happened over 400 years ago at the Protestant Reformation and that division (continues) to multiply- over and over and over again with (now) over 42,000+ contradicting, inconsistent and conflicting denominations and beliefs ALL directed by "self appointed" bible only preachers, teachers, and "personal popes" that (have never--nor will ever) agree on ANYTHING accept attacking the historically and biblically PROVEN One True Apostolic Catholic Church of Jesus Christ.
marge

Ames, IA

#404712 Nov 25, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bombing of the WTC, was spawned on American soil D.S.
For a reason to go to war, for oil.
Papa and Jr. Bush . have blood on their hands American Blood.
This is a lie LTM, please don't believe it.
marge

Ames, IA

#404713 Nov 25, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG AGAIN Pad, which is nothing new to me or to any other Catholics on this forum who refuse to be "duped" by the anti-catholic "trash" that you and other Protestants are so famous for,(throwing around). The fact is that I (do not now nor ever have) hated non-Catholics. They are my "brothers and sisters" in Christ, even though they have all "rejected" the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the FAITH in Jesus Christ, in and through His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. Any division, that you refer to, happened over 400 years ago at the Protestant Reformation and that division (continues) to multiply- over and over and over again with (now) over 42,000+ contradicting, inconsistent and conflicting denominations and beliefs ALL directed by "self appointed" bible only preachers, teachers, and "personal popes" that (have never--nor will ever) agree on ANYTHING accept attacking the historically and biblically PROVEN One True Apostolic Catholic Church of Jesus Christ.
You hope the Born-agains have conflicting beliefs, but in fact we are ONE.

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