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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 590799 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404645 Nov 24, 2012
The post-medieval period
The Peasants' War, 1524-25, could be seen as an early communist revolution, complete with "cleansing" slaughter.
Thomas Muentzer said (see here and here): "curse the unbelievers ... don't let them live any longer, the evil-doers who turn away from God. For a godless man has no right to live if he hinders the godly. The sword is necessary to exterminate them ... if they resist let them be slaughtered without mercy ... the ungodly have no right to live, save what the Elect choose to allow them ... Now, go at them ... it is time ... The scoundrels are as dispirited as dogs ... Take no notice of the lamentations of the godless! They will beg you ... don't be moved by pity ... At them! At them! While the fire is hot! Don't let your sword get cold! Don't let it go lame!"

The Pope, Sixtus V, blessed Spain's attempt to conquer England, 1588, and promised a plenary indulgence for all who took part.

Protestant-Catholic Wars of Religion
French Wars of Religion
The Thirty Years War

Foxe's Book of Martyrs (see here and here) may have helped encourage centuries of persecution and killing of Catholics (which continues in Ulster today), but it also documents a long history of violence and murder against free thinkers by Rome.
The massacres of Protestants in Ireland in 1641

Martyrs
The last Catholic martyr in Britain was Oliver Plunkett, executed in London in 1681.
The last atheist martyr in Britain was Thomas Aikenhead (and here), executed in Edinburgh in 1697.
Atheists continued to be persecuted, and by the 19th century atheists in Britain were jailed rather than executed. In 1883, George Foote, editor of the Freethinker, was jailed for blasphemy. Apparently the church in England no longer believes that those who disagree with it should be jailed.
Catholics were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1829.
Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886.
Atheist martyrs are still being killed in Islamic states and are even being killed by Muslims in the West.

Many of the orders have shameful histories.
The Franciscans burnt the Mayan libraries in the 16th century, and helped organise the Nazi genocide in Croatia in the mid-20th century.
The Dominicans produced the mass murderer of innocents Torquemada, and they authored one of the most evil books in history, the Witch Hammer, which caused the cruel death of perhaps 1 million innocent men, women and children.
The Jesuits were instigators of the witch butchery.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404646 Nov 24, 2012
European imperialism
European colonization of the Americas
Spanish colonization of the Americas
European colonization of Africa
European colonization of Australia

Democide
Democide of the Americas
Spanish democide in the Americas
Democide of Native Americans
Indian wars
Massacres of Indians
Democide of Australian Aborigines
Massacres of Australian Aborigines

Rudolph J. Rummel estimates that 14 million native North and South Americans were killed by Europeans (and their American-born descendants) in democide in the conquest of the Americas. Much of this, especially in the Caribbean and South America, was driven by European Roman Catholicism.

Democide and the church
The papal bull Romanus Pontifex, 1455. In this, Pope Nicholas V supports the killing, forcible conversion and enslaving of unbelievers found in the new lands.
The burning of the Mayan libraries by the Spanish under the Franciscans.
The Spanish executing the last Inca Emperor Atahualpa in 1533.
He was threatened with death by burning, which, in his beliefs, would prevent his soul going to the afterlife.
He was offered death by strangling if he would convert to Catholicism. He agreed, and was killed that way.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#404647 Nov 24, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
If you "really" knew (anything) about TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY with regards to Our Lords one Catholic Church, as well as the true interpretation of the bible by the Early Church Fathers in 397AD, you would "still" remain a Catholic.-----or is it that attacking and ripping Jesus Christs One True Church is just part of your bible only Protestant aversion, hostility and vengance!!!
hojo,you never cease to amaze me with your one-liners.Are you a human being? Or am I dealing with a robot?

Perhaps you feel that your new found church satisfies some deep loneliness you felt in Lutheranism.Lutheranism is not much diferent form your Roman Catholicism. I lived around the Scandinavians and Germans who were diehart Lutherans for a time.They were so much like Catholics,even in some of their synods a crucifix can be found in the front or main altar.

Lutherans and Catholics have a long history of being side by side in this country,always digging at each other,but yet being very much alike in liturgies. It seems that either the Catholic Vatican 2 grabbed a Lutheran Liturgical format and made it Catholic or vice versa.Some one can visit a Lutheran church that is Missouri synod or Wisconsin,and think they are in a Catholic church,minister is garbed exactly like a Catholic priest leading in the liturgy.

Lutherans especially can identify with Anglicans,and the same in return.But the Anglicans will always have their history connected with a despot,murderer and egomaniac (King Henry V111).

I am not a Protestant,no matter how you dice it.I reject the reformer church,and want no part of it. But I know that Christ is alive and well in every church,in spite of their differences and beginnings.

Jesus is not a Roman Catholic,He is God forever and ever,the Son of the Most High,and part of the Godhead:Father-Son and Holy Spirit.We have the Bible today,and it is the Book,we are the people of the Book and in that Book we can have truth revealed to us concerning all that Jesus wants us to know,believe,and experience.

For centuries your new found church has mocked other Christians and in countries where they are the state run church and majority,nonCatholic Christians have known persecution and indifference,but they learned to respect the laws of the land.Non=Catholic Christianity has existed from the beginning till now,and in spite of religious institutionalism,it has lived to tell the Gospel story.You as a Lutheran hated those outside of your Lutheranism,and now you are in a bigger institution that you can take an even stronger case against non-Catholic Christians.

I do not doubt for one minute that you always hated non=Lutheran Christians,and now that you are in the real Catholic church and not playing a psuedo Catholic role as a Lutheran,you can continue to hate non-Catholic Christians.It is so obvious in your posts.Catholics such as you who switch from Lutheranism or Anglicanism(episcopal) were always catholic.

"Bible only" that is so lame an argument to keep the House of God divided!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404648 Nov 24, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
So you think the cruel torture and murder of children, woman and men 'WAS NOBLE AND LEGIT' YOUR KIDDING RIGHT.
CLAY YOU ARE THE ONE MISINFORMED.
The Crusades
The Crusades (mainly 1095-1272)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates the Crusades killed 1 million innocent civilian men, women and children (not in combat).
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Crusades (and here)
Jihad begot the Crusades by Andrew G. Bostom.
Yes, the Crusades were in part a response to centuries of Islamic jihad and persecution and slaughter of Christians in the Middle East. But the Christians then (unlike today) were no better than their Islamic adversaries.
The First Crusade
In 1095, Pope Urban II made this speech to launch the blood-letting of The Crusades.
The capture of Jerusalem, 1099. When they took Jerusalem, the Christian army butchered almost every man, woman and little child in the city.
The Second Crusade
St. Bernard of Clairvaux (see search) said when launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."
The genocide of the Cathars (12091229)
In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women and children.
The Church's War on the Cathars
In 1233, Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland, on the imaginary grounds that they were in league with the (equally-imaginary) Devil. "The devil appears to them in different shapes", said his holiness, "sometimes as a goose or a duck". The entire people were exterminated.
I would strongly encourage you to research the men who fed you these lies.'Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland'??
Don't participate in these falsehoods LTM.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404649 Nov 24, 2012
LTM wrote:
The post-medieval period
The Peasants' War, 1524-25, could be seen as an early communist revolution, complete with "cleansing" slaughter.
Thomas Muentzer said (see here and here): "curse the unbelievers ... don't let them live any longer, the evil-doers who turn away from God. For a godless man has no right to live if he hinders the godly. The sword is necessary to exterminate them ... if they resist let them be slaughtered without mercy ... the ungodly have no right to live, save what the Elect choose to allow them ... Now, go at them ... it is time ... The scoundrels are as dispirited as dogs ... Take no notice of the lamentations of the godless! They will beg you ... don't be moved by pity ... At them! At them! While the fire is hot! Don't let your sword get cold! Don't let it go lame!"
The Pope, Sixtus V, blessed Spain's attempt to conquer England, 1588, and promised a plenary indulgence for all who took part.
Protestant-Catholic Wars of Religion
French Wars of Religion
The Thirty Years War
Foxe's Book of Martyrs (see here and here) may have helped encourage centuries of persecution and killing of Catholics (which continues in Ulster today), but it also documents a long history of violence and murder against free thinkers by Rome.
The massacres of Protestants in Ireland in 1641
Martyrs
The last Catholic martyr in Britain was Oliver Plunkett, executed in London in 1681.
The last atheist martyr in Britain was Thomas Aikenhead (and here), executed in Edinburgh in 1697.
Atheists continued to be persecuted, and by the 19th century atheists in Britain were jailed rather than executed. In 1883, George Foote, editor of the Freethinker, was jailed for blasphemy. Apparently the church in England no longer believes that those who disagree with it should be jailed.
Catholics were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1829.
Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886.
Atheist martyrs are still being killed in Islamic states and are even being killed by Muslims in the West.
Many of the orders have shameful histories.
The Franciscans burnt the Mayan libraries in the 16th century, and helped organise the Nazi genocide in Croatia in the mid-20th century.
The Dominicans produced the mass murderer of innocents Torquemada, and they authored one of the most evil books in history, the Witch Hammer, which caused the cruel death of perhaps 1 million innocent men, women and children.
The Jesuits were instigators of the witch butchery.
Thats the problem with you Protestants....you'll get on google and print whatever propaganda laced rant you can get your hands on and call it fact.

Are you gonna reveal your source? Provide a link?
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404650 Nov 24, 2012
Beatification and canonisation of flawed figures
Spain's Roman Catholic bishops want to canonise Queen Isabella, who started the Inquisition to torture and kill heretics, ethnically cleansed the Jews and Muslims, and brought genocide to the Americas.
Saint Francis Xavier brought the Inquisition to India, which tortured and executed thousands of innocent people.
Sir Thomas More was canonised in 1935, and is glorified in the film A Man for All Seasons.
This vile murderer burned alive heretics and reformers, just because their superstitious beliefs differed from his own stupid beliefs. The fact that he himself was killed for the same reason does not suddenly absolve him of his crimes. Indeed, it seems like justice.
"Sir Thomas More: A Man for One Season" by James Wood.
Sir Thomas More was a religious maniac who wore a hairshirt, deliberately mortifying his body. He also practiced flagellation.
Pius IX (Pope 1846-78)(and here) was beatified in 2000.
Pius IX refused to support a society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. He said that: "such an association could not be sanctioned by the Holy See, being founded on a theological error, to wit, that Christians owed any duties to animals."
Pius IX was the last Pope to have temporal power, and to be able to abuse those unlucky enough to live in the Papal States.
In 1858, Pius IX's police brutally removed a 6 year old Jewish boy, Edgardo Mortara, from his parents and forcibly raised him as a Catholic. The pleas of Edgardo's distraught parents counted for nothing. They never got their little boy back. This is minor compared with the brutality of the church throughout history, but the sheer cruelty of it makes Pius IX a disgusting figure that no decent person should respect.
Anti-Defamation League Statement on Beatification of Pope Pius IX
Judaism and Christianity are not real, the soul and baptism are not real, but a mother's love is real. A mother's pain is real.
St. Maximilian Kolbe, who was martyred by the Nazis in Auschwitz in 1941, was, it is sad to say, a high-profile Polish anti-semite before the war. He wrote for a large audience on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the alleged Jewish-Zionist-Masonic-Communi st conspiracy, and so on. While Kolbe himself went on to save, not kill, Jews, who knows what brutal acts during the war were inspired by his pre-war words?
Pius XII, Pope during the Holocaust - in line for beatification.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404651 Nov 24, 2012
Catholic Church sex abuse cases
Catholic Church sex abuse scandals (and category)
Ireland (and category)
There has been a lot of focus (rightly) on the appalling reaction of the Catholic church to cases of child abuse by Catholic priests. But there are some issues that are overlooked:
Child sex abuse by priests was not policy. It was wrong even by the church's own standards (if only on grounds of celibacy). Whereas other crimes the church has committed over the years have been policy.
There are other guilty parties in not reporting / dealing with abuse by priests, namely:
The parents, for complaining to the church rather than to the police.
The state and police, for many times asking the church to deal with it rather than arresting the priests and prosecuting them.
Compared to the failure by these two parties, the failure by the priests' employers seems the minor part. The hopeless moral failure by the priests' employers is only shocking if you believed they had serious moral integrity to begin with. And since I didn't, I am not shocked. I am more shocked by the behaviour of the parents and the state/police.
Obviously this does not apply if there is any suggestion that the church prevented people going to the police.
The Murphy Report says children who were abused by priests were made to swear an oath that they would not tell anyone (including the police) on pain of excommunication (and therefore hell). See section 4.25.
This is intimidation of witnesses to and victims of a crime, and was illegal, even in Ireland back then. Any cleric involved in these oaths who is still alive should be prosecuted.
It has been alleged that Cardinal Sean Brady, head of the Catholic church in Ireland since 1996, made child victims of sexual abuse swear, on pain of excommunication, that they would not tell the police. If this is true, he should go to prison.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#404652 Nov 24, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
It is so easy to play Monday morning quarterback isnt it? You will always fail to understand the time. You fail to see that mobs and witch hunts and anarchy was happening. You fail to see that Protestants were indoctrinating children into false teachings and seen as murderers of souls. You fail to see that they were causing uprising against the state and in fact were murdering members of the church. In fact since the church and state were intertwined they were seen as treasonous.
You live in a world of Rose colored glasses where you think the reformers were all lovey. I suggest you take a good hard look at the History of Protestants. I know Protestants had no hand whatsoever in what happened to Native Americans, slavery and of course Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, King Henry they were all flawless and that proves that Protestantism is the real church? Utter nonsense! You rail against Muslims, well Pad the Christian thing to do would be to just roll over right?
Princes, Kings, Emperors, Royal families were meddling in the affairs constantly and vying for power. You know when Christians were finally not being hunted they became the hunters. They could not tear down the pagan temples and burn the people within them fast enough. Protestants love to point at the church for the persecution of Jews forgetting your own bloody hands. Furthermore you ignore the fact that the Jews were protected quite often by the Church its a matter of Papal Bull.
No I dont think the Church owes any apologies for the inquisitions. It was a calm, reasoned approach which prevented far more bloodshed than would have otherwise occured. People begged to be given over for questioning to the church which was far more just then secular courts or mob lynchings. You dont want to see any facts you would rather bathe in myths and attack things you know nothing about with a log in your eye. Most Evangelical protesants in polls recently were very much in support of use of torture when the use of it was brought into question recently. How is that Pad? Because all Evangelical fundies like you who pick and choose your religion are so much more enlightened? Buy a clue.
Some how I just don't see Jesus leading HIS church to go out and kill off a few heritics to prevent thing from getting worse. Do you really think about the unchristian ignorance you spew out to defend YOUR church? Do you think that the HOLY Spirit was leading the 'ONE TRUE CHURCH' into this period of torture and murder? BUY A CLUE. You sound more like a radical Muslim terrorist than a follower of Christ.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#404653 Nov 24, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Ethnic Cleansing in Ireland
The Prejudice and Discrimination against Catholic beliefs in Northern Ireland is ongoing.
In China the government killed more of their own race than any other nation, in Russia the government killed more Russians than any other government. In Germany the government killed more German people than any other county. In 2008 in Africa the Natives are being killed by their own race. It is Power and Greed (Power from Above) supported by the (Pressure from below). Crime (pressure from below) and lawlessness rises and government (power from above ) takes control then to control the crime. Nothing new. "History repeats itself". Thus the opportunity for Life, Liberty and Happiness declines.
Noraid.com hopes to provide to the general public who ARE NOT AWARE OF THE So-called GREAT HUNGER IN IRELAND THAT CAUSED WIDESPREAD STARVATION FROM 1845-1852 and discrimination that remains to this very day in Northern Ireland and at the same time awaken those in the USA as to what the future may hold for them and their descendants.
HOWEVER, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, IRISH FARMS WERE PRODUCING PLENTY OF OTHER FOODS INCLUDING CORN, WHEAT, BARLEY, AND BEEF. THIS FOOD WAS CARTED AWAY BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PAST THE STARVING MILLIONS OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THEN TAKEN TO WEALTHY ENGLAND.
SOME PROTESTANT CHURCH MISSIONS IN ENGLAND SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY TRYING TO "PROSELYTIZE" THE STARVING CATHOLICS.
THE STARVING VICTIMS WERE OFFERED FOOD IN RETURN FOR RENOUNCING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH AND CONVERTING. DURING THE FAMINE THERE WERE MORE THAN 125 MISSIONS IN IRELAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING CATHOLICS.
http://www.noraid.com/Holocaust.htm
And you think what the catholic church is ok, strange.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404654 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever read Foxes' Bood of Martyrs ? How can you justify the INQUISITION in light of the scriptures. What is truely scarry about some of you people is not that you deny the Inquistion, but that you try to justify it. That is really sick. Do you think they should re-enact it???
I can't discuss the Inquistion with you people anymore. Its been talked about for a couple hrs now, and I am confident the Catholics on here presented a fair and logical case. If you choose to ignore it or avoid researching it yourself, then its on you. Not my problem.
Heck, Im used to this stuff going in one ear and out the other with you bigots.

By the way, The Inquisition was established by the Church to PREVENT wrongs committed by catholic mobs in various parts of Europe. It was a fair approach to the chaos of the time.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#404655 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Inquisition itself wasn't evil. It was noble and legit...so were the Crusades.
Protestants have been fed a huge BS sandwich for centuries, and they took a bite out of it.
Bigotry took precedent over truth.
THE INQUISITION ITSELF WASN'T EVIL??????? So can you really see JESUS leading HIS 'one true church' to torture and murder heritics, protestants, or ANYONE ELSE? Of course not. If you have any understanding of who JESUS is. Are you really ABLE to think for yourself at all?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404656 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Some how I just don't see Jesus leading HIS church to go out and kill off a few heritics to prevent thing from getting worse. Do you really think about the unchristian ignorance you spew out to defend YOUR church? Do you think that the HOLY Spirit was leading the 'ONE TRUE CHURCH' into this period of torture and murder? BUY A CLUE. You sound more like a radical Muslim terrorist than a follower of Christ.
The point is, there wasn't torture and murder by the Catholic Church. You been lied to and you took it. Heck....you're still taking it
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404657 Nov 24, 2012
LTM wrote:
Beatification and canonisation of flawed figures
Spain's Roman Catholic bishops want to canonise Queen Isabella, who started the Inquisition to torture and kill heretics, ethnically cleansed the Jews and Muslims, and brought genocide to the Americas.
Saint Francis Xavier brought the Inquisition to India, which tortured and executed thousands of innocent people.
Sir Thomas More was canonised in 1935, and is glorified in the film A Man for All Seasons.
This vile murderer burned alive heretics and reformers, just because their superstitious beliefs differed from his own stupid beliefs. The fact that he himself was killed for the same reason does not suddenly absolve him of his crimes. Indeed, it seems like justice.
"Sir Thomas More: A Man for One Season" by James Wood.
Sir Thomas More was a religious maniac who wore a hairshirt, deliberately mortifying his body. He also practiced flagellation.
Pius IX (Pope 1846-78)(and here) was beatified in 2000.
Pius IX refused to support a society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. He said that: "such an association could not be sanctioned by the Holy See, being founded on a theological error, to wit, that Christians owed any duties to animals."
Pius IX was the last Pope to have temporal power, and to be able to abuse those unlucky enough to live in the Papal States.
In 1858, Pius IX's police brutally removed a 6 year old Jewish boy, Edgardo Mortara, from his parents and forcibly raised him as a Catholic. The pleas of Edgardo's distraught parents counted for nothing. They never got their little boy back. This is minor compared with the brutality of the church throughout history, but the sheer cruelty of it makes Pius IX a disgusting figure that no decent person should respect.
Anti-Defamation League Statement on Beatification of Pope Pius IX
Judaism and Christianity are not real, the soul and baptism are not real, but a mother's love is real. A mother's pain is real.
St. Maximilian Kolbe, who was martyred by the Nazis in Auschwitz in 1941, was, it is sad to say, a high-profile Polish anti-semite before the war. He wrote for a large audience on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the alleged Jewish-Zionist-Masonic-Communi st conspiracy, and so on. While Kolbe himself went on to save, not kill, Jews, who knows what brutal acts during the war were inspired by his pre-war words?
Pius XII, Pope during the Holocaust - in line for beatification.
If you cling to those cult pamphlets LTM, they will lead you straight to hell. Avoid them at all costs. Don't be so gullible.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#404658 Nov 24, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Ethnic Cleansing in Ireland
The Prejudice and Discrimination against Catholic beliefs in Northern Ireland is ongoing.
In China the government killed more of their own race than any other nation, in Russia the government killed more Russians than any other government. In Germany the government killed more German people than any other county. In 2008 in Africa the Natives are being killed by their own race. It is Power and Greed (Power from Above) supported by the (Pressure from below). Crime (pressure from below) and lawlessness rises and government (power from above ) takes control then to control the crime. Nothing new. "History repeats itself". Thus the opportunity for Life, Liberty and Happiness declines.
Noraid.com hopes to provide to the general public who ARE NOT AWARE OF THE So-called GREAT HUNGER IN IRELAND THAT CAUSED WIDESPREAD STARVATION FROM 1845-1852 and discrimination that remains to this very day in Northern Ireland and at the same time awaken those in the USA as to what the future may hold for them and their descendants.
HOWEVER, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, IRISH FARMS WERE PRODUCING PLENTY OF OTHER FOODS INCLUDING CORN, WHEAT, BARLEY, AND BEEF. THIS FOOD WAS CARTED AWAY BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PAST THE STARVING MILLIONS OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THEN TAKEN TO WEALTHY ENGLAND.
SOME PROTESTANT CHURCH MISSIONS IN ENGLAND SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY TRYING TO "PROSELYTIZE" THE STARVING CATHOLICS.
THE STARVING VICTIMS WERE OFFERED FOOD IN RETURN FOR RENOUNCING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH AND CONVERTING. DURING THE FAMINE THERE WERE MORE THAN 125 MISSIONS IN IRELAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING CATHOLICS.
http://www.noraid.com/Holocaust.htm
Church of England,Ireland and Wales,all either connected with Presbyterian or Anglicanism. Official state churches under the Monarchy of England.I read about the potato famines,and the British abuses ,the horrible hatred of Irish nationalism by the British,it is political as much as it is religious.AND do nto forget Dust Storm the Irish secretly helped and supported the Nazis against the British.

Institutional churchianity has been the culprit of anti-Christ behavior all through our history.Anabaptists are proof of what the Reformer churches imposed on those Christians who would not baptize infants.Thousands of Anabaptists were killed by the Reformed Churches because they held to the Biblical belief of Adult or accountable baptism.
truth

Perth, Australia

#404659 Nov 24, 2012
We not care what you say! no
Why?
Please explain!
What?
How your Creator created in beginning.. darkness..
Why is like that?
Your Creator creation..maybe..i think it is
constant creation determination then again recreation..about what?

Now
Why that have impact over humanity?
Many reason.

Are you for sure determination on other planet if they are used words determination..Did they determinated everything?

nooooooooooooooooooo
if you say yes..then you are liar!!
then you need explain..
what?
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-medium
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anything with that..
What you see medium and large bigger?
What you can't see?
''small''

Now tell me about bugs..yes..even hell can't destroy that..why is like that..I told you..you need respect..Hindu say even frog egg is spirit..yes within them is ''code=as formula''
Which formula?..You need discover.
Please tell me why ants exist many things like them as colony..o yes yes yes..What a about others thing what you never see in this present life..maybe its exist.

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perhaps i can find on my way
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4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#404660 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
From 1649 - 1652. One third of the Irish Catholic population was destroyed by the Protestants who wished to wipe out the Catholic faith in Ireland.
Priests were rounded up and murdered. Their bellys slit open as they hung from trees. Peasants were starved to death and woman and children were rounded up and sold into slavery.
Guest, next time you blurt out crusades crusades crusades inquisition inquistion....I hope you realize you haven't a clue on actual history.
The difference CLAY is that most of us have enough sense to know that that was wrong. We don't try to justify the evil on either side of the conflict in Ireland, MUCH UNLIKE YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY AND DEFEND THE EVIL INQUISITION.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404661 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>THE INQUISITION ITSELF WASN'T EVIL??????? So can you really see JESUS leading HIS 'one true church' to torture and murder heritics, protestants, or ANYONE ELSE? Of course not. If you have any understanding of who JESUS is. Are you really ABLE to think for yourself at all?
It would be good for you to do some normal research on it. In fact, learn what an INQUISITION actually is!!
Right now, you know nothing. Tomorrow, come back and talk about it. Be sure to read about the Protestants who also conducted Inquisitions to root out members who went against their religion.

And if you're tallying up a body count, you'll see that the Protestants far outnumber the Catholics in committing murder.
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#404662 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't discuss the Inquistion with you people anymore. Its been talked about for a couple hrs now, and I am confident the Catholics on here presented a fair and logical case. If you choose to ignore it or avoid researching it yourself, then its on you. Not my problem.
Heck, Im used to this stuff going in one ear and out the other with you bigots.
By the way, The Inquisition was established by the Church to PREVENT wrongs committed by catholic mobs in various parts of Europe. It was a fair approach to the chaos of the time.
oF COURSE it goes in one ear and out the other. It is an unobstructed passageway. And it is not supprising that when you are questioned you duck out.LOL Perhaps I should remind you that you posted to me, not I to you. Now you can run along.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404663 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>The difference CLAY is that most of us have enough sense to know that that was wrong. We don't try to justify the evil on either side of the conflict in Ireland, MUCH UNLIKE YOU TRY TO JUSTIFY AND DEFEND THE EVIL INQUISITION.
BTW what Inquisition are you even talking about? The Spanish one?
Well, that was carried out by the Spanish Monarchy, not the Vatican.

Of course, your Protestant pastors would never tell you that would they?
4GVN

Wentzville, MO

#404664 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is, there wasn't torture and murder by the Catholic Church. You been lied to and you took it. Heck....you're still taking it
Well,Clay, you are partially correct. It was not physically carried out by the Catholic Church, it was only orchestrated by the Catholic Church. Do you take comfort in that fact?

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