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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 646336 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404630 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Are you that desperate to try to justify your evil church history?
The Inquisition itself wasn't evil. It was noble and legit...so were the Crusades.
Protestants have been fed a huge BS sandwich for centuries, and they took a bite out of it.
Bigotry took precedent over truth.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#404631 Nov 24, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>WHAT happen to grace,and Christ? I thought the RCC at the time of the Inquisition believed they represented the Christ of Calvary? Jesus needed help as so many were becoming heretics,so the RCC had to set up the inquisitorial court system to corner heretics and eliminate them? Whatever the question that rose in the minds of those people back than,and the many popes who supported it over a 6 century period, the inquisition was the most tragic series of events against humanity that ever existed in the hands of a Religious institution such as the RCC who implemented it.
There is no excuse for believers to ever distort the Word of God,especially the New Testament in order to murder,steal,and plunder other human beings.I could see if the RCC only for a short time used the Inquisition,and a few bad popes clouded the picture,but 6 centuries? The blood of many martyrs of various faiths are on the hands of the RCC,and Pope John Paul 2nd's many trips to apologize to countless numbers for the sins of the RCC and often on the issue of the Inquisition,brings afresh the sordid history of that church.
It is so easy to play Monday morning quarterback isnt it? You will always fail to understand the time. You fail to see that mobs and witch hunts and anarchy was happening. You fail to see that Protestants were indoctrinating children into false teachings and seen as murderers of souls. You fail to see that they were causing uprising against the state and in fact were murdering members of the church. In fact since the church and state were intertwined they were seen as treasonous.

You live in a world of Rose colored glasses where you think the reformers were all lovey. I suggest you take a good hard look at the History of Protestants. I know Protestants had no hand whatsoever in what happened to Native Americans, slavery and of course Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, King Henry they were all flawless and that proves that Protestantism is the real church? Utter nonsense! You rail against Muslims, well Pad the Christian thing to do would be to just roll over right?

Princes, Kings, Emperors, Royal families were meddling in the affairs constantly and vying for power. You know when Christians were finally not being hunted they became the hunters. They could not tear down the pagan temples and burn the people within them fast enough. Protestants love to point at the church for the persecution of Jews forgetting your own bloody hands. Furthermore you ignore the fact that the Jews were protected quite often by the Church its a matter of Papal Bull.

No I dont think the Church owes any apologies for the inquisitions. It was a calm, reasoned approach which prevented far more bloodshed than would have otherwise occured. People begged to be given over for questioning to the church which was far more just then secular courts or mob lynchings. You dont want to see any facts you would rather bathe in myths and attack things you know nothing about with a log in your eye. Most Evangelical protesants in polls recently were very much in support of use of torture when the use of it was brought into question recently. How is that Pad? Because all Evangelical fundies like you who pick and choose your religion are so much more enlightened? Buy a clue.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#404632 Nov 24, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Your post here is down right offensive,and because you really believe that I rely on Protestant propaganda to make a n opinion about the RCC.I was raised a Roman Catholic,lived amongst hundreds of RCs of cultural and thnic baskgrounds which included:Italian,Polish,Slovak ,and Ukrainian Catholics.Oh I forgot the biggest group the I R I S H. So treating me as though I have been brainwashed or completely influenced by Prots is wrong and offensive.
I know just as much about the history of the RCC as you do,and was raised in a strong Catholic family who were very strong in keeping Catholic beliefs close to them.
You are the one who has no clue!
If you "really" knew (anything) about TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY with regards to Our Lords one Catholic Church, as well as the true interpretation of the bible by the Early Church Fathers in 397AD, you would "still" remain a Catholic.-----or is it that attacking and ripping Jesus Christs One True Church is just part of your bible only Protestant aversion, hostility and vengance!!!
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404633 Nov 24, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhmmmm ...
.
I would agree with you ... in part ...
.
But ultimately, the most important aspect is goingbto be a new relationship with God thru Jesus ... a matter of being "reborn."
.
This part in particular really cannot take place until the age of reason.
.
While it is true that we as Catholics practice infant baptism, I seriously doubt it it truly ne essary for anyone who has not attained the age of reason.
.
Rob
4GVN responds : So Rob, if I undersstand your post correctly, you are saying that you don't believe that a person is "reborn" or as we would say "born again" or "Born from on high", when they are baptized as infants. Is that correct?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404634 Nov 24, 2012
Preston, you said you would leave topix for ever if we could show where you lied. Well here it is. You called Rob a drunk. But Rob is not a drunk. In fact he hasn't been a drunk for many years. You are a liar and a FALSE accuser. Now get off of topix or everyone will see you for what you are. A mean, sick accuser of all believers and a LIAR! Bye- bye Preston.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404635 Nov 24, 2012
From 1649 - 1652. One third of the Irish Catholic population was destroyed by the Protestants who wished to wipe out the Catholic faith in Ireland.
Priests were rounded up and murdered. Their bellys slit open as they hung from trees. Peasants were starved to death and woman and children were rounded up and sold into slavery.

Guest, next time you blurt out crusades crusades crusades inquisition inquistion....I hope you realize you haven't a clue on actual history.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404636 Nov 24, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhmmmm ...
.
.
While it is true that we as Catholics practice infant baptism, I seriously doubt it it truly ne essary for anyone who has not attained the age of reason.
.
Rob
.
Rob
Agree. But what do all of the catholics on here say to this statement??? The silence is deafening.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#404637 Nov 24, 2012
Bible verse of the Day
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Mark 11:23 (KJV)

Sunday, November 25, 2012
This Evening's Meditation
C. H. Spurgeon

----------

"For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."—Romans 9:15.
N these words the Lord in the plainest manner claims the right to give or to withhold His mercy according to His own sovereign will. As the prerogative of life and death is vested in the monarch, so the Judge of all the earth has a right to spare or condemn the guilty, as may seem best in His sight. Men by their sins have forfeited all claim upon God; they deserve to perish for their sins—and if they all do so, they have no ground for complaint. If the Lord steps in to save any, He may do so if the ends of justice are not thwarted; but if He judges it best to leave the condemned to suffer the righteous sentence, none may arraign Him at their bar. Foolish and impudent are all those discourses about the rights of men to be all placed on the same footing; ignorant, if not worse, are those contentions against discriminating grace, which are but the rebellions of proud human nature against the crown and sceptre of Jehovah. When we are brought to see our own utter ruin and ill desert, and the justice of the divine verdict against sin, we no longer cavil at the truth that the Lord is not bound to save us; we do not murmur if He chooses to save others, as though He were doing us an injury, but feel that if He deigns to look upon us, it will be His own free act of undeserved goodness, for which we shall for ever bless His name.
How shall those who are the subjects of divine election sufficiently adore the grace of God? They have no room for boasting, for sovereignty most effectually excludes it. The Lord's will alone is glorified, and the very notion of human merit is cast out to everlasting contempt. There is no more humbling doctrine in Scripture than that of election, none more promotive of gratitude, and, consequently, none more sanctifying. Believers should not be afraid of it, but adoringly rejoice in it.

www.Christ.com

Wisdom from Oswald Chambers
We are apt to think that everything that happens to us is to be turned into useful teaching; it is to be turned into something better than teaching, viz. into character. We shall find that the spheres God brings us into are not meant to teach us something but to make us something. The Love of God—The Ministry of the Unnoticed
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404638 Nov 24, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhmmmm ...
Which strikes me as absurd. I'll grant, I don't know of any god to compare God to, but it seems to me that, if God is truly Good, He would not condemn unbaptised infants.
.
Jesus DID say it was necessary, but He also seems to make exceptions, such as the Good Thief.
Rob
.
Rob
Rob, have you truely considered the possibility that Jesus 'does not make exceptions' but perhaps there is a flaw in the understanding of what the 'GOSPEL' truely is and what part if any, baptism has in ones salvation. And perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what 'born of water' truely means. Is it possible that it is not in referance to water baptism at all?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404639 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>Agree. But what do all of the catholics on here say to this statement??? The silence is deafening.
Goodness 4gvn, he posted that 3 days ago and you keep re-posting it as if you're having a current conversation about it.
If Fr. Dye is on the same page with Rome (and I know he is) than its all good.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#404640 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Inquisition itself wasn't evil. It was noble and legit...so were the Crusades.
Protestants have been fed a huge BS sandwich for centuries, and they took a bite out of it.
Bigotry took precedent over truth.
So you think the cruel torture and murder of children, woman and men 'WAS NOBLE AND LEGIT' YOUR KIDDING RIGHT.
CLAY YOU ARE THE ONE MISINFORMED.

The Crusades
The Crusades (mainly 1095-1272)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates the Crusades killed 1 million innocent civilian men, women and children (not in combat).

Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Crusades (and here)

Jihad begot the Crusades by Andrew G. Bostom.
Yes, the Crusades were in part a response to centuries of Islamic jihad and persecution and slaughter of Christians in the Middle East. But the Christians then (unlike today) were no better than their Islamic adversaries.

The First Crusade
In 1095, Pope Urban II made this speech to launch the blood-letting of The Crusades.
The capture of Jerusalem, 1099. When they took Jerusalem, the Christian army butchered almost every man, woman and little child in the city.

The Second Crusade
St. Bernard of Clairvaux (see search) said when launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."

The genocide of the Cathars (1209–1229)
In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women and children.
The Church's War on the Cathars

In 1233, Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland, on the imaginary grounds that they were in league with the (equally-imaginary) Devil. "The devil appears to them in different shapes", said his holiness, "sometimes as a goose or a duck". The entire people were exterminated.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#404641 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Protestants like to leave out the mass killings committed by them against Catholics.
catholicapologetics.info/apolo getics/protestantism/protin.ht m
In N. Ireland there is a large rock with blood all over it. People still go there today to pay their respects to the Catholics who were slaughtered there while celebrating mass. They were using the rock as an alter.
Protestants only get one side of history told to them.. unfortunately, the teachers are bigots who wish to put the Catholic Church in a bad light.
Ethnic Cleansing in Ireland

The Prejudice and Discrimination against Catholic beliefs in Northern Ireland is ongoing.

In China the government killed more of their own race than any other nation, in Russia the government killed more Russians than any other government. In Germany the government killed more German people than any other county. In 2008 in Africa the Natives are being killed by their own race. It is Power and Greed (Power from Above) supported by the (Pressure from below). Crime (pressure from below) and lawlessness rises and government (power from above ) takes control then to control the crime. Nothing new. "History repeats itself". Thus the opportunity for Life, Liberty and Happiness declines.

Noraid.com hopes to provide to the general public who ARE NOT AWARE OF THE So-called GREAT HUNGER IN IRELAND THAT CAUSED WIDESPREAD STARVATION FROM 1845-1852 and discrimination that remains to this very day in Northern Ireland and at the same time awaken those in the USA as to what the future may hold for them and their descendants.

HOWEVER, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, IRISH FARMS WERE PRODUCING PLENTY OF OTHER FOODS INCLUDING CORN, WHEAT, BARLEY, AND BEEF. THIS FOOD WAS CARTED AWAY BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PAST THE STARVING MILLIONS OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THEN TAKEN TO WEALTHY ENGLAND.

SOME PROTESTANT CHURCH MISSIONS IN ENGLAND SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY TRYING TO "PROSELYTIZE" THE STARVING CATHOLICS.

THE STARVING VICTIMS WERE OFFERED FOOD IN RETURN FOR RENOUNCING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH AND CONVERTING. DURING THE FAMINE THERE WERE MORE THAN 125 MISSIONS IN IRELAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING CATHOLICS.

http://www.noraid.com/Holocaust.htm
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#404642 Nov 24, 2012
The Witch-hunting
Witch-hunting - perhaps Christianity's worst crime. Think how many poor innocents have been killed for God; how few have ever been killed for Satan.
Many people think 1 million innocents were killed by the witch-hunters, though Rudolph J. Rummel thinks 100,000.

Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Witch-hunting (and here)

Timeline of Witch-hunting (and detailed). Reading this should make you angry.
The Burning Times: The Christian extermination of Witches and other heretics

The Papacy's crimes of witch burning were based on the grossest superstitions - for example, the weather cannot have natural causes but must be caused by witches. This would be comical provided we do not think about what happened to the utterly innocent victims of these delusions - men, women and little children picked from the populace at random and tortured and put to death. The Papacy should hang its head for ten thousand years in shame for what it did.

Pope Innocent VIII - probably the most evil of all the Popes, in the number of innocent men, women and children killed because of his words. Read his moronic declaration against witches in 1484. Essentially, because the causes of disease, bad weather, and other problems were not known in those dark times, their causes were attributed to imaginary witches who must be hidden in the populace.
This was followed by The Witch Hammer (1486).

Protestantism had no problem with the witch-burning, and continued the butchery of innocents long after the Reformation. For example, the "King James Bible" comes from one of these murderers. Luther, Calvin and Wesley supported the killing, just as they opposed science.
The Salem witch hunt, 1692.

Witch-hunting survives in the present day in various forms:
The hysterical belief in satanic ritual abuse in the West.
"Witch"-hunting in Africa
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404643 Nov 24, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> Rob, have you truely considered the possibility that Jesus 'does not make exceptions' but perhaps there is a flaw in the understanding of what the 'GOSPEL' truely is and what part if any, baptism has in ones salvation. And perhaps there is a misunderstanding of what 'born of water' truely means. Is it possible that it is not in referance to water baptism at all?
Its also very important for you to understand that you're not an authority on Christianity nor sacred scripture. So your opinions on what is right and what is not means nothing.
Please don't think I'm threatening your personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I know you follow Him with whatever resources you have.

But the truth is, you don't get to dictate what Baptism should be. He didn't appoint you to decide.
It sucks for you and Confrint and others....but thats the way its gotta be.
Our Lord didn't start 40,000 different opinions on the letters of His Apostles. He started a Church. Period.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#404644 Nov 24, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Inquisition itself wasn't evil. It was noble and legit...so were the Crusades.
Protestants have been fed a huge BS sandwich for centuries, and they took a bite out of it.
Bigotry took precedent over truth.
Have you ever read Foxes' Bood of Martyrs ? How can you justify the INQUISITION in light of the scriptures. What is truely scarry about some of you people is not that you deny the Inquistion, but that you try to justify it. That is really sick. Do you think they should re-enact it???
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#404645 Nov 24, 2012
The post-medieval period
The Peasants' War, 1524-25, could be seen as an early communist revolution, complete with "cleansing" slaughter.
Thomas Muentzer said (see here and here): "curse the unbelievers ... don't let them live any longer, the evil-doers who turn away from God. For a godless man has no right to live if he hinders the godly. The sword is necessary to exterminate them ... if they resist let them be slaughtered without mercy ... the ungodly have no right to live, save what the Elect choose to allow them ... Now, go at them ... it is time ... The scoundrels are as dispirited as dogs ... Take no notice of the lamentations of the godless! They will beg you ... don't be moved by pity ... At them! At them! While the fire is hot! Don't let your sword get cold! Don't let it go lame!"

The Pope, Sixtus V, blessed Spain's attempt to conquer England, 1588, and promised a plenary indulgence for all who took part.

Protestant-Catholic Wars of Religion
French Wars of Religion
The Thirty Years War

Foxe's Book of Martyrs (see here and here) may have helped encourage centuries of persecution and killing of Catholics (which continues in Ulster today), but it also documents a long history of violence and murder against free thinkers by Rome.
The massacres of Protestants in Ireland in 1641

Martyrs
The last Catholic martyr in Britain was Oliver Plunkett, executed in London in 1681.
The last atheist martyr in Britain was Thomas Aikenhead (and here), executed in Edinburgh in 1697.
Atheists continued to be persecuted, and by the 19th century atheists in Britain were jailed rather than executed. In 1883, George Foote, editor of the Freethinker, was jailed for blasphemy. Apparently the church in England no longer believes that those who disagree with it should be jailed.
Catholics were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1829.
Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886.
Atheist martyrs are still being killed in Islamic states and are even being killed by Muslims in the West.

Many of the orders have shameful histories.
The Franciscans burnt the Mayan libraries in the 16th century, and helped organise the Nazi genocide in Croatia in the mid-20th century.
The Dominicans produced the mass murderer of innocents Torquemada, and they authored one of the most evil books in history, the Witch Hammer, which caused the cruel death of perhaps 1 million innocent men, women and children.
The Jesuits were instigators of the witch butchery.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#404646 Nov 24, 2012
European imperialism
European colonization of the Americas
Spanish colonization of the Americas
European colonization of Africa
European colonization of Australia

Democide
Democide of the Americas
Spanish democide in the Americas
Democide of Native Americans
Indian wars
Massacres of Indians
Democide of Australian Aborigines
Massacres of Australian Aborigines

Rudolph J. Rummel estimates that 14 million native North and South Americans were killed by Europeans (and their American-born descendants) in democide in the conquest of the Americas. Much of this, especially in the Caribbean and South America, was driven by European Roman Catholicism.

Democide and the church
The papal bull Romanus Pontifex, 1455. In this, Pope Nicholas V supports the killing, forcible conversion and enslaving of unbelievers found in the new lands.
The burning of the Mayan libraries by the Spanish under the Franciscans.
The Spanish executing the last Inca Emperor Atahualpa in 1533.
He was threatened with death by burning, which, in his beliefs, would prevent his soul going to the afterlife.
He was offered death by strangling if he would convert to Catholicism. He agreed, and was killed that way.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#404647 Nov 24, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
If you "really" knew (anything) about TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY with regards to Our Lords one Catholic Church, as well as the true interpretation of the bible by the Early Church Fathers in 397AD, you would "still" remain a Catholic.-----or is it that attacking and ripping Jesus Christs One True Church is just part of your bible only Protestant aversion, hostility and vengance!!!
hojo,you never cease to amaze me with your one-liners.Are you a human being? Or am I dealing with a robot?

Perhaps you feel that your new found church satisfies some deep loneliness you felt in Lutheranism.Lutheranism is not much diferent form your Roman Catholicism. I lived around the Scandinavians and Germans who were diehart Lutherans for a time.They were so much like Catholics,even in some of their synods a crucifix can be found in the front or main altar.

Lutherans and Catholics have a long history of being side by side in this country,always digging at each other,but yet being very much alike in liturgies. It seems that either the Catholic Vatican 2 grabbed a Lutheran Liturgical format and made it Catholic or vice versa.Some one can visit a Lutheran church that is Missouri synod or Wisconsin,and think they are in a Catholic church,minister is garbed exactly like a Catholic priest leading in the liturgy.

Lutherans especially can identify with Anglicans,and the same in return.But the Anglicans will always have their history connected with a despot,murderer and egomaniac (King Henry V111).

I am not a Protestant,no matter how you dice it.I reject the reformer church,and want no part of it. But I know that Christ is alive and well in every church,in spite of their differences and beginnings.

Jesus is not a Roman Catholic,He is God forever and ever,the Son of the Most High,and part of the Godhead:Father-Son and Holy Spirit.We have the Bible today,and it is the Book,we are the people of the Book and in that Book we can have truth revealed to us concerning all that Jesus wants us to know,believe,and experience.

For centuries your new found church has mocked other Christians and in countries where they are the state run church and majority,nonCatholic Christians have known persecution and indifference,but they learned to respect the laws of the land.Non=Catholic Christianity has existed from the beginning till now,and in spite of religious institutionalism,it has lived to tell the Gospel story.You as a Lutheran hated those outside of your Lutheranism,and now you are in a bigger institution that you can take an even stronger case against non-Catholic Christians.

I do not doubt for one minute that you always hated non=Lutheran Christians,and now that you are in the real Catholic church and not playing a psuedo Catholic role as a Lutheran,you can continue to hate non-Catholic Christians.It is so obvious in your posts.Catholics such as you who switch from Lutheranism or Anglicanism(episcopal) were always catholic.

"Bible only" that is so lame an argument to keep the House of God divided!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404648 Nov 24, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
So you think the cruel torture and murder of children, woman and men 'WAS NOBLE AND LEGIT' YOUR KIDDING RIGHT.
CLAY YOU ARE THE ONE MISINFORMED.
The Crusades
The Crusades (mainly 1095-1272)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates the Crusades killed 1 million innocent civilian men, women and children (not in combat).
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Crusades (and here)
Jihad begot the Crusades by Andrew G. Bostom.
Yes, the Crusades were in part a response to centuries of Islamic jihad and persecution and slaughter of Christians in the Middle East. But the Christians then (unlike today) were no better than their Islamic adversaries.
The First Crusade
In 1095, Pope Urban II made this speech to launch the blood-letting of The Crusades.
The capture of Jerusalem, 1099. When they took Jerusalem, the Christian army butchered almost every man, woman and little child in the city.
The Second Crusade
St. Bernard of Clairvaux (see search) said when launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."
The genocide of the Cathars (1209–1229)
In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women and children.
The Church's War on the Cathars
In 1233, Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland, on the imaginary grounds that they were in league with the (equally-imaginary) Devil. "The devil appears to them in different shapes", said his holiness, "sometimes as a goose or a duck". The entire people were exterminated.
I would strongly encourage you to research the men who fed you these lies.'Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland'??
Don't participate in these falsehoods LTM.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#404649 Nov 24, 2012
LTM wrote:
The post-medieval period
The Peasants' War, 1524-25, could be seen as an early communist revolution, complete with "cleansing" slaughter.
Thomas Muentzer said (see here and here): "curse the unbelievers ... don't let them live any longer, the evil-doers who turn away from God. For a godless man has no right to live if he hinders the godly. The sword is necessary to exterminate them ... if they resist let them be slaughtered without mercy ... the ungodly have no right to live, save what the Elect choose to allow them ... Now, go at them ... it is time ... The scoundrels are as dispirited as dogs ... Take no notice of the lamentations of the godless! They will beg you ... don't be moved by pity ... At them! At them! While the fire is hot! Don't let your sword get cold! Don't let it go lame!"
The Pope, Sixtus V, blessed Spain's attempt to conquer England, 1588, and promised a plenary indulgence for all who took part.
Protestant-Catholic Wars of Religion
French Wars of Religion
The Thirty Years War
Foxe's Book of Martyrs (see here and here) may have helped encourage centuries of persecution and killing of Catholics (which continues in Ulster today), but it also documents a long history of violence and murder against free thinkers by Rome.
The massacres of Protestants in Ireland in 1641
Martyrs
The last Catholic martyr in Britain was Oliver Plunkett, executed in London in 1681.
The last atheist martyr in Britain was Thomas Aikenhead (and here), executed in Edinburgh in 1697.
Atheists continued to be persecuted, and by the 19th century atheists in Britain were jailed rather than executed. In 1883, George Foote, editor of the Freethinker, was jailed for blasphemy. Apparently the church in England no longer believes that those who disagree with it should be jailed.
Catholics were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1829.
Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886.
Atheist martyrs are still being killed in Islamic states and are even being killed by Muslims in the West.
Many of the orders have shameful histories.
The Franciscans burnt the Mayan libraries in the 16th century, and helped organise the Nazi genocide in Croatia in the mid-20th century.
The Dominicans produced the mass murderer of innocents Torquemada, and they authored one of the most evil books in history, the Witch Hammer, which caused the cruel death of perhaps 1 million innocent men, women and children.
The Jesuits were instigators of the witch butchery.
Thats the problem with you Protestants....you'll get on google and print whatever propaganda laced rant you can get your hands on and call it fact.

Are you gonna reveal your source? Provide a link?

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