brainwashed much...who="Live Action" With another Pagan holiday around the corner one the cerebrates. the murder of over 12 million natives.It is a time to give thanks.well everyday is time to give thanks.Sheeple are pagan and don't even know it.
no where in the scripture does it ever mention a holiday. it does tell you to keep his feast days and his sabbath.only a very few do.
we have been lied to by the roman catholick church every church for that matter.the world is sick along with the people I give thanks for the creator Yahweh for the understanding he gave me and for letting me see how evil the world really is........May father Yahweh give each and everyone of you the understanding you need and the ability to see what this church has done to the world.they have defiled the scripture added to and took away and just left many things out....And yet the united states sends out army's to change religion.to push a man made god on the world.
If the roman catholick church is the woman the beast then the united states is the evil beastly system being the hand of rome.
And the message will be preached to to world and then the end will come.
one last thing the fish comes from the god of dagon the pope wears it and it is on many cars and trucks and many business cards.how brain washed is the world.
Thanksgiving is a PAGAN holiday? You don't sound very thankful...so I guess that explains it.
The closer I get to God, the more He shows me the greatness of His world and people. If all you see is evil, you need a new picture. The evil will pass away.
God promoted no holidays? Do you know what 'holiday'(HOLY DAY) means?
Doesn't the Bible say that the 'unthankful' will not enter heaven?
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#404021 Nov 22, 2012
with out question you have understanding more so than anyone on this thread.not because you sometimes you agree with me.but because you have common since.Yahweh bless.
Saint Paul, MN
#404022 Nov 22, 2012
The Lord has sworn by His right hand and mighty arm "I will not again give you grain to be food for your enemies, and foreigners shall not drink your wine for which you have labored; But those who garner it shall eat it and praise the Lord, and those who gather it shall drink it in the courts of my sanctuary"
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches. To Him who conquers, I will give him some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone which no one knows accept him who receives it"
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread and blessed and broke it, and gave it to His disciples and said "Take this all of you and eat of it, for this IS MY BODY. And He took a chalice, when He had given thanks, He gave it to them saying "Drink of it all of you, for THIS IS MY BLOOD, which will be poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins".
#404023 Nov 22, 2012
It is great to be thankful but i give thanks everyday and as for thanks giving it reminds me of the 12 million natives that were killed.
#404024 Nov 22, 2012
Robert F, first thank you for your responses to me awhile back,concerning charismatic gifts and so on.Those things are of God,and some times we best leave them alone right? But you have come such a long way.I remember when you were contemplating becoming a Muslim.Well now you are a staunch and serious minded Christian,walking in the knowledge you received so freely from the Holy Spirit of Promise.Praise God for every blessing,every revelation of truth,and every moment we have with Him who is above all.
I am excited for you Robert F. and I surely hope someday God will let us cross paths when we enter into that great and glorious Kingdom.Our titles and affiliations will be a thing of the past,we will be known as He is known,before the Wonderful Lord we longed for and will be with someday.
May God richly bless you! Christmas is around the corner,and I want to give you a tip of a very beautiful Romanian Christmas song it is called "DIN RAIUL CEL LUMINOS" sung by Ghita Munteanu,look it up in youtube.com , it is something worth listening to.
I hope that your Thanksgiving was good,and that your family is doing well.
a friend in Christ. DAN.
Saint Paul, MN
#404025 Nov 22, 2012
I did read my Bible. A lot!
I don't come to the same conclusions about scripture as you.
Hey, are you cooking a turkey today? Or you guys going someplace else? Either way, have a happy Thanksgiving!
#404026 Nov 22, 2012
I can just hear him now. Lord Bless this food thou hast prepared for me in the prescense of mine enemy.
You do know Preston blames everything on his wife and it is her FAULT !!!!
#404028 Nov 22, 2012
I posted IGNORED! to you in my post just 2.5 hrs ago. Read post #403,970.
I had to relinquish the IGNORE sign because I couldn't help myself. You are so easy to make fun of.
Its only a lie if you believe its a lie. It wasn't a lie.
Saint Paul, MN
#404029 Nov 22, 2012
Are you Native? I am part. My Grandma was Ojibway. My Dad half. Me a quarter.
Anyway, Natives killed each other long before the Europeans stepped foot here. Tribes hated each other more than they hated the white man.
Read about the Iroquois from present day New York. They were notorious for capturing area lands from other Natives; enslaving and/or killing them. These guys would have eventually took over all of America doing God knows what to other tribes.
And today? Don't think for a second that the Ojibway and Souix here in MN have a friendly rivalry. They hate each other still.
#404030 Nov 22, 2012
Michael it is kind of like having with a special needs or mentaly challenged child or family member. When we have the love of Christ in us we reach out and help those with the most need. It does not mean we love our other children less because we choose to spend our time where we are most needed to help the less fortunate through this life.
#404031 Nov 22, 2012
not to bust your bubble, "knowhim: but this guy follows ellen white, a false prophetess, so dont be fooled by him.he aint what you think that he is.
his chuch condemms every person to hell that dont follow ellen white
#404032 Nov 22, 2012
Clay, I have to work,but we get a free meal at the hospital I work in.
I am happy that you love the Lord Clay,and that is the most important thing,that in fact you love and worship the only ONE who gives eternal life to us:Father,Son and Holy Spirit.May the LORD our GOD not only bless you dear one,but your family as well,as HE gives and gives more grace! Enjoy the family and turkey,there is something so special about Thanksgiving,I remember so many in the past that added to my spiritual life today.
Take care DAN.
#404034 Nov 22, 2012
live and learn, jadahim.
Seventh-day Adventists teach the following about the Ellen White:
1. Ellen G. White plays a central role in the SDA Church. One of the "27 Fundamental Beliefs" of the SDA Church is that Ellen White manifested the gift of prophecy and her writings are "authoritative" for the Adventist Church:
"18. The Gift of Prophecy: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.(Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)"
Adventists have two "inspired" sources of truth: The Bible and the writings of Ellen G. White, which they refer to as the Spirit of Prophecy. Adventists say that the Bible is their primary source of guidance. It is called the "greater light". As recently as 2005, the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists reaffirmed in a statement entitled "Resolution on the Spirit of Prophecy" that Mrs. White's writings contain "divine counsel" and are a source of "guidance, instruction, correction" for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Mrs. White's writings, although much more voluminous than the Bible writings, are referred to as the "lesser light".
2. Revelation 12:17 provides two identifying marks of the true remnant church in the last days:
#404035 Nov 22, 2012
Sorry if I thought you were an atheist,I guess you aren't after all.Enjoy your day,don't eat too much,never good for the intestinal tract.
#404036 Nov 22, 2012
2. Revelation 12:17 provides two identifying marks of the true remnant church in the last days:
They keep the "Commandments of God", including the fourth commandment to keep the Sabbath holy.
They have the "faith of Jesus" which Revelation 19:10 identifies as the "Spirit of Prophecy".
The Spirit of Prophecy was manifested in the life and writings of Ellen G. White. Therefore, the SDA Church is the only church that has the identifying marks of the remnant church of Revelation.
"The Bible assures us that the gift of prophecy will be active in the last days of this earth's history. It says the church will possess all the spiritual gifts, including the "testimony of Jesus," which is the "spirit of prophecy," or the gift of prophecy (1 Cor. 1:4-47; Rev. 12:17; 19:10)
"Seventh-day Adventists believe that the gift of prophecy was manifested in the life and work of Ellen G. White, one of the early leaders of the church."2
Baptisimal candidates in the SDA Church must pledge allegiance to the belief that the "gift of prophecy" is an identifying mark of the remnant church:
"I accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church.... I accept that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy."3
3. According to Adventist leaders, the writings of Ellen G. White are "inspired" by the Holy Spirit in the same way as the Biblical authors were inspired.
ADVENTIST REVIEW: "As Samuel was a prophet to Israel in his day, as Jeremiah was a prophet to Israel in the day of captivity, as John the Baptist came as a special messenger of the Lord to prepare the way of Christ's appearing, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today. And the same as the messages of the prophets were received in old days, so her messages should be received at present times."4
RON GRAYBILL (Associate Secretary of the Ellen G. White Estate): "The quality of inspiration of Ellen White is equal to that of the Bible writers..."5
KENNETH WOOD (Editor of Review): "Ellen G. White was inspired in the same sense as were the Bible prophets."6
DON NEUFELD (Associate editor of Review): "She was inspired by God as were the Biblical writers..."7
ROBERT OLSON (Secretary of the Ellen G. White Estate): "I believe that both Ellen G. White and the Apostle Paul were true prophets who wrote under the influence of the Holy Spirit. My reason for believing in the inspiration of one is identical with my reason for believing in the inspiration of the other."8
MINISTRY MAGAZINE: "We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other."9
Mrs. White referred to her own writings as the "Spirit of Prophecy" and taught that they were inspired:
"The Holy Ghost is the Author of the Scriptures and of the Spirit of Prophecy."10
#404037 Nov 22, 2012
Preston says from the childrens table... Bless you God for our bountiful meal today, but God do not bless Confrint./KayMarie..........an d Michael. AMEN!
A deep voice from up above startles Preston, and God says I like Confrinting/KayMarie and Michael, I don't like you Preston.
Preston says to God why? God says in a bellowing voice Confrinting and KayMarie bring so much to this forum and I like Michaels warped sense of humor, you Preston are too judgemental of my creation. I hope you learn from this!
#404038 Nov 22, 2012
seems everyone hates everyone....
#404039 Nov 22, 2012
Problems with Adventist Truth about Ellen White
1. Having two sources of inspiration has proven to be a great challenge for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. While it is claimed that Mrs. White's writings bring unity to the church, quite the opposite is true. There has been an endless debate within the SDA Church about just how inspired Ellen White's writings are. Some claim the quality of inspiration is the same as for the Bible, while others take the opposite view that her writings are uninspired. In between the two extremes there are plenty of differing viewpoints, even among church leaders, so much so that it becomes confusing to understand exactly how inspired Mrs. White's writings are. There are continual battles over which of her teachings should be obeyed, and which of her testimonies it is safe to ignore.
More difficulties arise because some of Mrs. White's statements contradict the Bible, contradict known science, and even contradict eachother. Wars are constantly raging behind the scenes regarding these statements, and many people have left the church because these contradictions could not be resolved in a meaningful way.
2. Seventh-day Adventists use Rev. 12:17 and 19:10 to identify their church as the "remnant". They claim that one of the identifying marks of the remnant church is obedience to the Ten Commandments, including the fourth commandment.(see discussion on the "commandments of God" in study 8) This restriction would remove the majority of Christian churches from being identified as the remnant. However, there are still over 300 Christian denominations and groups that keep the seventh day Sabbath. So, the second "identifying mark" in Rev. 12:17 is the "faith of Jesus", which Adventists say is interpretted in Rev. 19:10 as the "spirit of prophecy". Adventists claim they are unique in being the only Sabbath-keeping group with a prophet, although other Sabbath-keeping groups, such as the Shepherd's Rod and the Branch Davidians also claim to have prophets.
The entire Adventist theology of identifying themselves as the "remnant church" is built upon a literal English translation of Greek words in Revelation 19:10 "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Adventists would have us read this, "the testimony of Jesus is Ellen White's writings". While Mrs. White's writings do, in some instances, testify of Jesus, as do the writings of many other Christian authors. Adventists say that what sets Mrs. White's writings apart from all others is that her writings carry the inspiration of a prophet. They claim she received her message from visions and dreams. However, Adventists have difficulty pointing to any "new light" in her writings that was not already known, preached, and taught by those around her. Furthermore, they admit that most of her writings were actually plagiarized or copied from other Christian authors.
In reality, the "Spirit of Prophecy" in Revelation 19:10 is referring to the prophetic spirit manifested by the Apostles and recorded in the New Testament. While the KJV captures the literal translation of Revelation 19:10, modern translations do a much better job of capturing the essence of the point being made in the verse. Notice how the passage is emphasizing Jesus and His relationship to prophecy:
For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus.(New Living Translation)
#404040 Nov 22, 2012
He can worship who ever he wants to just as you the man has understanding that most people lack on of the few on here the will mention Yahweh.
#404041 Nov 22, 2012
Bible Truth about Ellen White
The Bible commands us to "test" the prophets to determine whether or not they are sent by God (see 1 John 4:1). Mrs. White left us over 100,000 pages of writings, so there is plenty to test. The Bible provides us with seven specific tests of a prophet and much research has been undertaken to determine whether or not Mrs. White passed those Biblical tests. The weight of that collective evidence indicates that Mrs. White failed 6 out of the 7 Biblical tests of a prophet. The evidence is far too extensive to properly cover in this format, so please click on the following link to examine the evidence for yourself: Ellen White and the Biblical Tests of a Prophet.
Here is a summary of the main criticisms of Ellen White:
Her visions contain falsehoods. Her visions about future events have proven inaccurate. Some of her visions contain knowledge obtained from others. There are natural explanations for the feats she is said to have performed while in vision.
Her writings contain superstitions, fables, myths, falsehoods, and absurdities. Her writings contradict science, history, and common sense.
Her visions taught a shut door of salvation. She taught from her visions that a door of probation was closed in 1844 against all non-Adventists. The SDA Church and Ellen White later backed away from this position and tried to hide the earlier visions showing a shut door of salvation.
Her health visions contain falsehoods and extremes, and thus they cannot be from God. Her health teachings contradict known scientific facts and contain knowledge primarily obtained from other health reformers.
Her writings contradict the Bible at times, and are inconsistent with Biblical historical facts. In addition, she frequently adds to the Bible.
She copied extensively from others while denying she did so. All the major thoughts and ideas in her writings were derived from others. She copied both truths and falsehoods into her writings.
Her writings contain confusing and contradictory statements.
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