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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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preston

Athens, OH

#402624 Nov 16, 2012
preston wrote:
graham WASNT SORRY THAT HE SAID THOSE WORDS.
HE WAS JUST SORRY THAT HE GOT CAUGHT.
but he will have all eternity to think just how sorry he is.
no person nor nations will ever mistreat Gods People, Israel.
Graham apologized in a statement released by his Texas public relations firm last week, one day after the media reported the conversation.
“Although I have no memory of the occasion, I deeply regret comments I apparently made in an Oval Office conversation with President Nixon ... some 30 years ago,” the statement said.“They do not reflect my views and I sincerely apologize for any offense caused by the remarks.”
But Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, rejected the apology as “mealy mouthed.”
“He does not address the ugliness, the sinisterness, of his beliefs,” Foxman said in a telephone interview.“All of a sudden he has lost his memory and says these things don’t reflect his view? Whose views do they reflect?
“It’s so sad that an icon of the church doesn’t have the guts to say that what he said is horrible and that nobody should believe it.”
Foxman added that Rev. Graham’s assertion that a second Nixon administration “might be able to do something” about the Jewish stranglehold on the nation “is chilling and frightening, even today, 30 years later. It is shameful that one of America’s most respected religious leaders and a spiritual adviser to presidents believed and espoused age-old classical anti-Semitic canards.”
Rabbi James Rudin, senior interreligious adviser for the American Jewish Committee, said he was shocked and disappointed by the revelations because it was uncharacteristic of the man he knew for 30 years.
He said the role of a religious leader in the White House is to hold the leader to the highest levels of behavior and standards,“to be Nathan the prophet to King David,” referring to the biblical prophet who admonished the king.
“He could have confronted Nixon and said,‘This is ugly and poisonous and also untrue.’ Instead he seems to have agreed with Nixon,” Rabbi Rudin said.
At one point on the tape, Nixon and Rev. Graham share their antipathy of American Jews while complimenting “Israeli Jews.”
“The best Jews are actually the Israeli Jews,” says Nixon.
“That’s right,” agrees Rev. Graham, who later concurs with Nixon’s assertion that a “powerful bloc” of Jews confronts Nixon in the media.
“And they’re the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,” Rev. Graham adds.
Marty said the split of Evangelicals being “pro-Israel and domestically anti-Semitic is a very familiar story.”
But the pro-Israel support is deceptive, he said, because it is based on the belief that a strong Israel is necessary for Jesus to come again, when they believe all Jews will be either converted or killed.
“Israel needs all the friends it can get, but not for these reasons,” Marty said.
“[Evangelicals] were Zionists before Jews were, but for another reason.[Evangelical leader Jerry] Falwell gave [Prime Minister Menachem] Begin awards and vice versa. We all thought Jews were getting snookered here. Many Evangelicals, and Billy on this tape, disassociate ‘secular’ and ‘liberal’ American Jews from their Zionist,‘good Jews’ camp, and that was what Billy was reflecting,” Marty said.
In his written apology, Rev. Graham said his legacy has been one of working for
Michael

Canada

#402625 Nov 16, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you were going to ignore my posts? I'm guessing your wife is out to dinner with her girlfriends and you're just looking for someone else to argue with.
ANTHONY says.......I'm guessing your wife is out to dinner with her girlfriends and you're just looking for someone else to argue with.

MICHAEL says.........You ALWAYS guess wrong.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#402626 Nov 16, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
A question for Bible scholars:
Revelation...
1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Question??????
Who or what are "the seven spirits?"
7 Candle sticks = Lamps = seven church ages as well

Isaiah 11:2 reads, "The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the Spirit

of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit

of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.

This could possibly explain the seven spirits of God:(1) Spirit of truth,(2) Spirit of wisdom,(3) Spirit of understanding,(4) Spirit of

counsel,(5) Spirit of power,(6) Spirit of knowledge,(7) Spirit of the

fear of the Lord.

I added sprirt of truth.

7 Lamps = 7 Church's

Revelation 4:5 - And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and

thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before

the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a CANDLESTICK; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.( Mt. 5:14-17)

The church here is represented by the symbol of the candlestick.

the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest are the seven CHURCHES.(Rev. 1:20)

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy CANDLESTICK out of his place, except thou repent. Rev. 2:4-5
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#402627 Nov 16, 2012
New Catholic Mmovie Coming soon....

All but the blind can see the BIG Vatican lie.

"Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God"...

explores the impact of the Roman Catholic Church's protocol as dictated from the Vatican for dealing with pedophile priests. It opens in U.S. cinemas on November 16, and will air on cable channel HBO in February.

Though American media coverage about child sex abuse by clergy has been extensive since a slew of cases came to light in Boston in 2002, Oscar-winning documentary director Alex Gibney wanted to connect individual stories with what he sees as systemic failures stemming from the top of the church."
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#402628 Nov 16, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmm.
.
Which saying of Jesus are you citing? Please be specific,, so I will understand what you mean.
.
Rob
Oh.
.
Perhaps you mean *these* "sayings of Jesus."
.
"Thirty years later the discoverer himself, Muhammad 'Alí al-Sammán; told what happened. Shortly before he and his brothers avenged their father's murder in a blood feud, they had saddled their camels and gone out to the Jabal to dig for sabakh, a soft soil they used to fertilize their crops. Digging around a massive boulder, they hit a red earthenware jar, almost a meter high. Muhammad 'Alí hesitated to break the jar, considering that a jinn, or spirit, might live inside. But realizing that it might also contain gold, he raised his mattock, smashed the jar, and discovered inside thirteen papyrus books, bound in leather. Returning to his home in al-Qasr, Muhammad 'All dumped the books and loose papyrus leaves on the straw piled on the ground next to the oven. Muhammad's mother,'Umm-Ahmad, admits that she burned much of the papyrus in the oven along with the straw she used to kindle the fire.

A few weeks later, as Muhammad 'Alí tells it, he and his brothers avenged their father's death by murdering Ahmed Isma'il. Their mother had warned her sons to keep their mattocks sharp: when they learned that their father's enemy was nearby, the brothers seized the opportunity, "hacked off his limbs ... ripped out his heart, and devoured it among them, as the ultimate act of blood revenge."
.
Now I think I understand you much better, NASL.
.
Rob
preston

Athens, OH

#402630 Nov 16, 2012
continued;

In his written apology, Rev. Graham said his legacy has been one of working for stronger bonds between Jews and Christians.
“Throughout my ministry, I have sought to build bridges between Jews and Christians. I will continue to strongly support all future efforts to advance understanding and mutual respect between our communities,” he said.
In January 2000, Rev. Graham questioned leaders of his own Southern Baptist denomination for targeting Jews and others for conversion, and was praised by Jewish leaders. In the 1990s, Rev. Graham met with Jewish leaders before a New York crusade to assure them there would be no targeting of Jews.
The Charlotte, N.C.-born evangelist also strongly supported freeing Soviet Jews.
In 1977, the American Jewish Committee gave Rev. Graham its first National Interreligious Award for efforts to bridge faiths.
Leonard Garment, Nixon’s longtime adviser, called the anti-Semitic conversation “standard garbage white Anglo Saxon middle-class people heard behind closed doors.”
“Unfortunately for those people who talk this way in private conversations, it’s confirmation of their own beliefs that Billy Graham would say this,” Garment told The Jewish Week.
But James Sibley, head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s mission to Jews, said it would be unfair to generalize, and that “Dr. Graham grew up at a different time and all of us have been affected by the generation with which we grew up.”
Rev. Graham biographer William Martin, a sociology professor at Rice University, said he was pained and shocked by the Nixon tape.
“I don’t know why he made those statements to Nixon,” Martin, the author of “A Prophet With Honor: The Billy Graham Story,” told the Chicago Tribune.“This is out of character with anything else I have heard Billy Graham say or be quoted as saying. I wish he hadn’t. But I think he needs to be seen in the light of a long and generally positive life.

UNFORTUNATELY GOD DOESNT SEE IT THIS WAY AS MARTIN LOOKS AT IT.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

hope that you learned something PAD, and next time dont jump on the bandwagon of those on here who wish me dead or gone.

you may then find yourself on the opposite side of God and Truth
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#402631 Nov 16, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
ANTHONY says.......I'm guessing your wife is out to dinner with her girlfriends and you're just looking for someone else to argue with.
MICHAEL says.........You ALWAYS guess wrong.
Forgive them, as they must make personal attacks -- because they cannot offer retort to truth.

Amen

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402632 Nov 16, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
.
Okay.
.
Between you and me, I think I would just shrug, and take a "turn the other cheek" approach.
.
But I can see that some folks reject that. It's a very personal choice, to turn the other cheek.
.
I hope your approach works out for you the way you want it to.
.
Peace.
.
Rob
More Self.

Thnks for proving the points I've made.
Michael

Canada

#402633 Nov 16, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
New Catholic Mmovie Coming soon....
All but the blind can see the BIG Vatican lie.
"Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God"...
explores the impact of the Roman Catholic Church's protocol as dictated from the Vatican for dealing with pedophile priests. It opens in U.S. cinemas on November 16, and will air on cable channel HBO in February.
Though American media coverage about child sex abuse by clergy has been extensive since a slew of cases came to light in Boston in 2002, Oscar-winning documentary director Alex Gibney wanted to connect individual stories with what he sees as systemic failures stemming from the top of the church."
NOW! If we can only get catholics to pluck their heads from the sand to watch this movie.

They won't. They don't want to know the truth. Blaming the clergy is the same as blaming God.

One day they will learn.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402634 Nov 16, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Your perception, interpretation, self is flawed.
i.e. Gnosticism is flawed.
Then anythign written by men is flawed, including what you believe.

i.e. Christianity is flawed in more ways than I've already posted.
preston

Athens, OH

#402635 Nov 16, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Like most believers (I think), you have an opinion on what that Bible verse means, but no one truly knows. But in Rev 4:5 (I think), these seven spirits are defined as spirits of God.
More of Revelation is omitted from the RCC Bible reading cycles than any other Book.
They must agree with me that God could have been more clear.
yes, I do have my opinion and normally I am very correct in what I say.

I do not believe they are part of God, rather they belong and are under His control.

Christians are considered Children of God, and that means that we belong to Him,

I believe that a person can look at those spirits can be looked at in the same way.if you disagree with my opinion, I can live with that.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#402636 Nov 16, 2012
Looks like the Anti-Christ / Satan is not the only one who suffered a wound to the head and healed. his spawned demonion did as well.

In his esponse to Pad, Persy wrote:

AS FAR AS SURGERIES, YOUR TWO DONT EVEN COME CLOSE TO MY TWO WHEN MY NECK WAS BROKEN IN THREE PLACES.

FOR STARTERS, AFTER THE SURGERY, HOLES WERE DRILLED IN MY SKULL TO HOLD MY HEAD FROM MOVING, AND THEN i WAS PLACED IN A STRYKER FRAME FOR MONTHS. YOU WORK IN A HOSPITAL, ASK ABOUT IT.

Also on repentance from Prestons previous post implying one can only repent onced It is written God forgives 70 x 7 not just onced. It is also written to do your first works over.
preston

Athens, OH

#402637 Nov 16, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>
7 Candle sticks = Lamps = seven church ages as well
Isaiah 11:2 reads, "The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the Spirit
of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit
of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.
This could possibly explain the seven spirits of God:(1) Spirit of truth,(2) Spirit of wisdom,(3) Spirit of understanding,(4) Spirit of
counsel,(5) Spirit of power,(6) Spirit of knowledge,(7) Spirit of the
fear of the Lord.
I added sprirt of truth.
7 Lamps = 7 Church's
Revelation 4:5 - And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and
thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before
the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a CANDLESTICK; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.( Mt. 5:14-17)
The church here is represented by the symbol of the candlestick.
the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest are the seven CHURCHES.(Rev. 1:20)
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy CANDLESTICK out of his place, except thou repent. Rev. 2:4-5
lol, those are NOT your words nor your opinion, they were taken from another source.

which is another plagarising of "got questions".mr fraud,the topix forum police in investigating plagarizing will give you a ticket.

http://www.gotquestions.org/seven-spirits-God...

be honest and answer him with your own words, not those of some link.which is what I did.lol

and I dont think that mine agreed with your link.
preston

Athens, OH

#402638 Nov 16, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
Looks like the Anti-Christ / Satan is not the only one who suffered a wound to the head and healed. his spawned demonion did as well.
In his esponse to Pad, Persy wrote:
AS FAR AS SURGERIES, YOUR TWO DONT EVEN COME CLOSE TO MY TWO WHEN MY NECK WAS BROKEN IN THREE PLACES.
FOR STARTERS, AFTER THE SURGERY, HOLES WERE DRILLED IN MY SKULL TO HOLD MY HEAD FROM MOVING, AND THEN i WAS PLACED IN A STRYKER FRAME FOR MONTHS. YOU WORK IN A HOSPITAL, ASK ABOUT IT.
Also on repentance from Prestons previous post implying one can only repent onced It is written God forgives 70 x 7 not just onced. It is also written to do your first works over.
I gave Bible verses to bolster my words, and unlike you. I knew what I was talking about.so at no time did I indicate that repentance was only done once. try reaing and understanding what was said by Robert and then reread my answer. you will find thatg it is Biblical correct.

BTW, you dont wish to directly talk to me, but you dont mind to snipe at me, you and 4bdn.lol

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402639 Nov 16, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh.
.
Perhaps you mean *these* "sayings of Jesus."
.
"Thirty years later the discoverer himself, Muhammad 'Alí al-Sammán; told what happened. Shortly before he and his brothers avenged their father's murder in a blood feud, they had saddled their camels and gone out to the Jabal to dig for sabakh, a soft soil they used to fertilize their crops. Digging around a massive boulder, they hit a red earthenware jar, almost a meter high. Muhammad 'Alí hesitated to break the jar, considering that a jinn, or spirit, might live inside. But realizing that it might also contain gold, he raised his mattock, smashed the jar, and discovered inside thirteen papyrus books, bound in leather. Returning to his home in al-Qasr, Muhammad 'All dumped the books and loose papyrus leaves on the straw piled on the ground next to the oven. Muhammad's mother,'Umm-Ahmad, admits that she burned much of the papyrus in the oven along with the straw she used to kindle the fire.
A few weeks later, as Muhammad 'Alí tells it, he and his brothers avenged their father's death by murdering Ahmed Isma'il. Their mother had warned her sons to keep their mattocks sharp: when they learned that their father's enemy was nearby, the brothers seized the opportunity, "hacked off his limbs ... ripped out his heart, and devoured it among them, as the ultimate act of blood revenge."
.
Now I think I understand you much better, NASL.
.
Rob
I take it you are referring to the Nag Hammadi Library find for those who don't know how to lookk for information on the internet.

Yes there are many teachings by Jesus included within those texts.

But I'm not sure on why you added the "blood revenge" story from Elaine Pagels' book, "The Gnostic Gospels"
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Pagels-Gnostic-...

It appears you are trying to make it relevant with the finding of the texts. I guess I am missing why you included it.

FYI - the NHL has nothing to do with a murder. Unless you think it does, then why?

BTW - the mother did burn up some of the documents, before the find could be recognized for what it is. An unfortunate "collaterell damage".

Fortunately, many of the texts survived.

So what exactly is your point?
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#402640 Nov 16, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>yes, I do have my opinion and normally I am very correct in what I say.
I do not believe they are part of God, rather they belong and are under His control.
Christians are considered Children of God, and that means that we belong to Him,
I believe that a person can look at those spirits can be looked at in the same way.if you disagree with my opinion, I can live with that.
My point is that no one knows, few will agree -- and in context of the Trinity, it becomes gibberish.

Rev 4:5 -- "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."

A college freshman could communicate more clearly.

That's why I prefer the Jefferson Bible -- the words of Jesus and nothing more.

Little is open to personal bias and prejudice than is pure gibberish.
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#402641 Nov 16, 2012
Correction...

Little is open to personal bias and prejudice, as there is with pure gibberish.
preston

Athens, OH

#402642 Nov 16, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I gave Bible verses to bolster my words, and unlike you. I knew what I was talking about.so at no time did I indicate that repentance was only done once. try reaing and understanding what was said by Robert and then reread my answer. you will find thatg it is Biblical correct.
BTW, you dont wish to directly talk to me, but you dont mind to snipe at me, you and 4bdn.lol
since I am a cowboy(in mind only), I was reminded of a old song of years back. this is what I think of the sda coward.

Jesse James

Jesse James was a lad that killed many a man,
He robbed the Danville train.
But that dirty little coward that shot Mr. Howard
Has laid poor Jesse in his grave.
Poor Jesse had a wife to mourn for his life,
Three children, they were brave,
But the dirty little coward that shot Mr. Howard
Has laid poor Jesse in his grave.

It was Robert Ford, that dirty little coward,
I wonder how he did feel,
For he ate of Jesse's bread, and he slept in Jesse's bed,
Then he laid poor Jesse in his grave.

Jesse was a man, a friend to the poor,
He never would see a man suffer pain;
And with his brother Frank, he robbed the Chicago bank,
And stopped the Gendale train.

It was his brother Frank that robbed the Gallatin bank,
And carried the money from the town;
It was in this very place that they had a little race,
For they shot Captain Sheets to the ground.

They went to the crossing, not very far from there,
And there they did the same;
With the agent on his knees, he delivered up the keys
To the outlaws, Frank and Jesse James.

It was Wednesday night, the moon was shining bright,
They robbed the Glendale train.
The people they did say, for many miles away
It was robbed by Frank and Jesse James.

It was Saturday night, Jesse was at home,
Talking with his family brave.
Robert Ford came along like a thief in the night
And laid poor Jesse in his grave.

The people held their breath when they heard of Jesse's death,
And wondered how he came to die;
It was one of the gang called little Robert Ford,
He shot poor Jesse on the sly.

Jesse went to his rest with hand on his breast;
The devil will be upon his knee.
He was born one day in the County of Clay
And came from a solitary race.

This song was made by Billy Gashade
As soon as the news did arrive.
He said there was no man, with the law in his hand,
Who could take Jesse James while alive.



AND THERE IS NO MAN ON HERE WHO CAN PROVE ME WRONG WHEN I USE THE BIBLE AS MY ROADMAP
Live Action

Oklahoma City, OK

#402643 Nov 16, 2012
May Yahweh Bless each and everyone of you even the brainwashed sheeple.....
Free Mind

Eaton Park, FL

#402644 Nov 16, 2012
Getting to know God....

REV 4:11 -- "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

If God created cancer, parasites, and predators for his own pleasure, as the Bible clearly tells us -- then He likes to watch things suffer.

Get over it.

Amen

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