Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
preston

Waverly, OH

#402150 Nov 14, 2012
THIS IS VERY GOOD NEWS. POLITIC SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE PULPIT. WHICH IS WHY ARE DENOMINATION STRICTLY FORBIDS IT.

CHICAGO, Nov 12 (Reuters)- Political watchdog and secularist groups are asking the U.S. government to investigate whether Catholic bishops and a Christian evangelical group headed by preacher Billy Graham should lose tax breaks for telling followers how to vote in this year's election.

Under constitutional protections of free speech and separation of church and state, churches are free to speak on any issue. But they risk losing tax breaks worth $145 billion in the past decade if they violate Internal Revenue Service rules by promoting or opposing any particular candidate. Other non-profits also have special tax status.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a political watchdog group, in its complaint to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, cited reports of individual bishops "abusing their positions to advocate against the election of President Barack Obama."

HIT THE IDIOT GRAHAM IN HIS POCKETBOOK AND LISTEN TO HIM SQUEAL
preston

Waverly, OH

#402151 Nov 14, 2012
4GVN wrote:
HERE is Preston's post....... You be the judge.........."" "graham ought to keep his nose out of politics and I will never forgive him""".
..........Notice "I will never forgive him" ...What does the bible say about those who will NEVER FORGIVE? He shall not be forgiven.
So he can't be a christian at all can he?
So who would follow such a wicked mean man? UNTRUTH.
thankfully, I can say what I want against someone without being condemmed.

For if you forgive men when {they sin against you}SEE THOSE FEW WORDS, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

so my words like always are Biblically correct as BILLY GRAHAM NEVER SINNED AGAINST ME BUT AGAINST GOD AND ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE THAT.

NEXT TIME TRY AND FIND A BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE THAT I MISPOKE OF.LOL@U
preston

Waverly, OH

#402152 Nov 14, 2012
hey, filthy guy, just how long have you been trying to find fault with me and losing? years?

you are a loser and it shows.
preston

Waverly, OH

#402153 Nov 14, 2012
4GVN wrote:
HERE is Preston's post....... You be the judge.........."" "graham ought to keep his nose out of politics and I will never forgive him""".
..........Notice "I will never forgive him" ...What does the bible say about those who will NEVER FORGIVE? He shall not be forgiven.
So he can't be a christian at all can he?
So who would follow such a wicked mean man? UNTRUTH.
who would follow afilthy mouth behind the back idiot like YOu/ would be a better question.

since I went to bed hours ago and like a coward, you post about me rather than face me .

didnt figure I would be up at 4 did you? what name ddi you go by before when I made you look foolish some years ago? why are you hiding it now, are you like the sda that I butchered some years ago too?

trolls both of you
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#402154 Nov 14, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, exactly like these 39 heresies from the Roman Catholic CULT!
We have another Roman liar in the camp!!!
1. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
2. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
3. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
4. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
5. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
6. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God" first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
7. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
8. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
9. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
10. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
11. Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels A.D. 600
12. First man to be proclaimed Pope (Boniface III) A.D. 610
13. Kissing the Pope's feet A.D. 709
14. Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepon, King of the Franks A.D. 750
15. Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized A.D. 786
16. Holy water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest A.D. 850
17. Veneration of St. Joseph A.D. 890
18. Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV A.D. 995
19. Fasting on Fridays and Lent A.D. 998
20. The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory 11th c.
21. Celibacy of priests declared A.D. 1079
22. Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit A.D. 1090
23. The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona A.D. 1184
24. Sale of indulgences A.D. 1190
25. Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard 12th c.
26. Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III A.D. 1215
27. Auricular confession (Rite of reconciliation) of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215
28. Adoration of the wafer (called the Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III A.D. 1220
29. Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England A.D. 1251
30. The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by Council of Constance A.D. 1414
31. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D. 1439
32. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1545
33. Apocryphal books are added to the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1546
34. Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed A.D. 1560
35. Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX A.D. 1854
36. Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope's temporal authority over all civil rulers A.D. 1864
37. Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the Vatican Council A.D. 1870
38. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pius XII A.D. 1950
39. Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" by Pope Paul VI A.D. 1965
What a bunch of anti-Catholic BS!!!!!!!!!! The Catholic Churches teachings are composed of the "original doctrines, biblical and traditional beliefs along with the articles of faith, which began over 2000 years ago.......... The word "heresy" is defined as opposition that originates (directly) from a "professed believer" (Christian or non-Christian) whose "religious (OPINIONS) are "CONTRARY TO--AND OPPOSE" to those original "truths of doctrine"......... Since the original doctrine of these truth ORIGINATED FROM JESUS CHRISTS ONE TRUE APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH (2000 years ago)--There can be "no such thing" as Catholic heresy----ONLY ---Protestant--BIBLE ONLY --agnostic---or atheistic---HERESY,.....ALL of which are
anti-catholic heresies that have existed for over 2000 years beginning with the Arian heresis in the 3rd century.-----The truth of history is "clear"..... Heretics, like you, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, Michael, justachristian, jethro8, LTM, Pad and (those who I have missed)....... have "come and gone" for over 2000 years---YET THE CHURCH LIVES ON!!!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#402155 Nov 14, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, exactly like these 39 heresies from the Roman Catholic CULT!
We have another Roman liar in the camp!!!
1. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
2. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
3. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
4. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
5. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
6. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God" first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
7. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
8. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
9. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
10. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
11. Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels A.D. 600
12. First man to be proclaimed Pope (Boniface III) A.D. 610
13. Kissing the Pope's feet A.D. 709
14. Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepon, King of the Franks A.D. 750
15. Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized A.D. 786
16. Holy water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest A.D. 850
17. Veneration of St. Joseph A.D. 890
18. Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV A.D. 995
19. Fasting on Fridays and Lent A.D. 998
20. The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory 11th c.
21. Celibacy of priests declared A.D. 1079
22. Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit A.D. 1090
23. The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona A.D. 1184
24. Sale of indulgences A.D. 1190
25. Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard 12th c.
26. Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III A.D. 1215
27. Auricular confession (Rite of reconciliation) of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215
28. Adoration of the wafer (called the Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III A.D. 1220
29. Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England A.D. 1251
30. The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by Council of Constance A.D. 1414
31. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D. 1439
32. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1545
33. Apocryphal books are added to the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1546
34. Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed A.D. 1560
35. Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX A.D. 1854
36. Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope's temporal authority over all civil rulers A.D. 1864
37. Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the Vatican Council A.D. 1870
38. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pius XII A.D. 1950
39. Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" by Pope Paul VI A.D. 1965
What a bunch of anti-Catholic BS!!!!!!!!!! The Catholic Churches teachings are composed of the "original doctrines, biblical and traditional beliefs along with the articles of faith, which began over 2000 years ago.......... The word "heresy" is defined as opposition that originates (directly) from a "professed believer or group" (Christian or non-Christian) whose "religious (OPINIONS) are "CONTRARY TO--AND OPPOSE" to those original "truths of doctrine"......... Since the original doctrine of these truth ORIGINATED FROM JESUS CHRISTS ONE TRUE APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH (2000 years ago)--There can be "no such thing" as Catholic heresy----ONLY ---Protestant--BIBLE ONLY --agnostic---or atheistic---HERESY,.....ALL of which are
anti-catholic heresies that have existed for over 2000 years beginning with the Arian heresis in the 3rd century.-----The truth of history is "clear"..... Heretics, like you, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, Michael, justachristian, jethro8, LTM, Pad and (those who I have missed)....... have "come and gone" for over 2000 years---YET THE CHURCH LIVES ON!!!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#402156 Nov 14, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
What a bunch of anti-Catholic BS!!!!!!!!!! The Catholic Churches teachings are composed of the "original doctrines, biblical and traditional beliefs along with the articles of faith, which began over 2000 years ago.......... The word "heresy" is defined as opposition that originates (directly) from a "professed believer or group" (Christian or non-Christian) whose "religious (OPINIONS) are "CONTRARY TO--AND OPPOSE" to those original "truths of doctrine"......... Since the original doctrine of these truth ORIGINATED FROM JESUS CHRISTS ONE TRUE APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH (2000 years ago)--There can be "no such thing" as Catholic heresy----ONLY ---Protestant--BIBLE ONLY --agnostic---or atheistic---HERESY,.....ALL of which are
anti-catholic heresies that have existed for over 2000 years beginning with the Arian heresis in the 3rd century.-----The truth of history is "clear"..... Heretics, like you, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, Michael, justachristian, jethro8, LTM, Pad and (those who I have missed)....... have "come and gone" for over 2000 years---YET THE CHURCH LIVES ON!!!
You people yell an awful lot. Is that something the church teaches, or is it your personality?
SKYDIVER

Johannesburg, South Africa

#402157 Nov 14, 2012
A church with a very suspect history AND a decadent present.....The true church of God?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402158 Nov 14, 2012
charles wrote:
<quoted text>
I wish you would give God the glory that He deserves and stop saying you a sinful man has to do your part for salvation.
God gives us the faith to believe
God is working through us as Christians
One verse and yet says it all eh Hankie.
Chuckie,

God gets the glory in everything in my life....

Praise the Lord....

You didn't answer my question, WHY???

God's part.....

Man's part.....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402159 Nov 14, 2012
charles wrote:
<quoted text>
If we have to do something how is it not a works based salvation?
See Chuckie, this is where you are wrong....you get this from your false doctrine that you follow in OSAS....

It is NOT a works based salvation......
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402160 Nov 14, 2012
charles wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Hankie I give you too much credit. It was just an illustration
Wow Hankie you said "Christmas gift doesn't even come close to your SOUL"
Them some intelligent words. How long did it take you to realize this?
Sorry Chuckie, you are the one who brought up the Christmas gift.....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402161 Nov 14, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>then again,
why arent everyone Saved, just answer that one.ok?
and to go further, I believe that we have to do something to keep that gift too.
if you live a life of sin after you get saved, see if God allows you into heaven
Again, great teachings....

Don't understand why Chuckie can't see this???

But that would be because of the false doctrine that he follows...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402162 Nov 14, 2012
charles wrote:
<quoted text>
Does God darken the hearts of folks?
"if you live a life of sin after you get saved, see if God allows you into heaven" - God has something to say about that Preston
1 John 3:99 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
***so if you live a life of sin you may want to check if you're really saved**
Romans 1:21

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but [[[[[their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.]]]]]

Ephesians 4:18

18 They are darkened in their understanding and [[[[[separated from the life of God]]]]] because of ~~~~~the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.~~~~~
Clay

United States

#402164 Nov 14, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, exactly like these 39 heresies from the Roman Catholic CULT!
We have another Roman liar in the camp!!!
1. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
2. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
3. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
4. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
5. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
6. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God" first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
7. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
8. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
9. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
10. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
11. Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels A.D. 600
12. First man to be proclaimed Pope (Boniface III) A.D. 610
13. Kissing the Pope's feet A.D. 709
14. Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepon, King of the Franks A.D. 750
15. Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized A.D. 786
16. Holy water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest A.D. 850
17. Veneration of St. Joseph A.D. 890
18. Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV A.D. 995
19. Fasting on Fridays and Lent A.D. 998
20. The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory 11th c.
21. Celibacy of priests declared A.D. 1079
22. Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit A.D. 1090
23. The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona A.D. 1184
24. Sale of indulgences A.D. 1190
25. Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard 12th c.
26. Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III A.D. 1215
27. Auricular confession (Rite of reconciliation) of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215
28. Adoration of the wafer (called the Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III A.D. 1220
29. Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England A.D. 1251
30. The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by Council of Constance A.D. 1414
31. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D. 1439
32. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1545
33. Apocryphal books are added to the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1546
34. Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed A.D. 1560
35. Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX A.D. 1854
36. Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope's temporal authority over all civil rulers A.D. 1864
37. Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the Vatican Council A.D. 1870
38. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pius XII A.D. 1950
39. Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" by Pope Paul VI A.D. 1965
Some of those are flat out lies.
You have no understanding why the other ones were declared. You seem to think because it was publicly announce at a certain date, that that's when the doctrine originated.

But since you deliberately posted flat out lies too, your opinion on anything else means nothing.
Mr . Deacon..
Clayx

United States

#402165 Nov 14, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow.they all went nuts,didn't they?
.
It's pretty late, and what you ask requires a long reply. I probably won't get to it tonight.
.
But I will say this much. The Revelation (Be very suspicious of anyone who calls it the "Book of Revelations." If they cannot get the name right,they obviously don't know what they are talking about.)is an example of Apocalyptic Literature, just as Daniel is.
.
There are things common to Apoc. Lit. It is a lierary form, and the forms are generally obeyed.(To give you an idea on this, look at Peanuts and Garfield. red and Rover, if your paper gets it. All the animals "talk" in thought balloons, while the humans use word balloons. Sometimes it is conveyed that the humans clearly understand the animals, but usually, it can be read that they do not. This is a convention in the form "comic strip." Once you know how to read the symbols, the meaning comes through. Another good example is the editorial page. I'm always having to decode the cartoons for the Mexicans, as they do not understand the symbolism of donkey and elephant, so the meaning is obscure for them. This is another convention followed in a form.)
.
the thing to understand about Apoc. lit. is that it is a message of hope and reassurance to the reader. It is not meant to frighten. nor is it meant to be a prediction of th efuture.
.
The Revelation is more likely a bit of protest lit directed at the Roman Empire and its persecution of Christians. The symbols and numbers were clear for the Christians of that time ... they "got it" immediately, since the symbology was their own.
.
The only future "predicted" in the Rev. is God's Ultimate Victory over evil ... that this WILL come to pass, so do not lose heart.
.
I don't think you are using th eterm "rapture" quite correctly. This is a term that was more or less invented by Scofield and Darby, who came up with an entirely new interpretation of the Rev. in th e19th century ... one that somehow was completely overlooked by all scholars up to that point. It involves a kind of magical "disappearance" of all Christians during human history.(The entire "Left Behind" series is built on this notion.)
.
Nevertheless, your comment about parts of the Heavenly Vision being drawn from worship practices of Christians is interesting. I will have to look at that a bit more tomorrow.
.
G'night.
.
Rob
True Rob.

I guess nothing stirs the pot like the book of Revelation.
I'm guessing a couple things..

1. They are not secure enough with their understanding of the Book.

2. They know they have indeed ADDED to the book. And John clearly says what will happen to those who have.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402166 Nov 14, 2012
charles wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
**How's this???
Now, you are getting it......

Now, look up some more...this is NOT all there is to being saved...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402167 Nov 14, 2012
charles wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys have a blessed day.
Maybe you should talk about what baptism has to do with salvation until I get back.
I already know about what baptism has to do with salvation.....
Clayx

United States

#402168 Nov 14, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Your post shows and proves how very little of the Bible you do know. SO SAD
I know very little of YOUR interpretation of the Bible. Don't blame me for that. You are all over the place in Protestant la la land.

At the Catholic Mass (where the bible belongs) scripture comes alive. It is here where you should be listening to sacred scripture.

I'm going to guess that you read the Book of Revelation 5 or 6 thousand times. Do you think you're a biblical expert and authority on the Book??
No sir you are not.
Apocalyptic hysteria is for You guys. Catholics don't concern ourselves with Raptures and four horsemen and seals and beasts.
Face it, you get a blood rush when thinking about it. So you keep pursuing the apocalyptic route. You know no other route.
Catholics wait in JOYFUL hope for the coming of our Savior Jesus Christ.
charles

Dublin, OH

#402169 Nov 14, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 1:21
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but [[[[[their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.]]]]]
O have to ask..where in this passage do you see this refers to Christians?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#402170 Nov 14, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>What ever gave you the idea that I thought the thousand year millenium was an earthly reign ? The are called up for one. After the thousand years you see the New jerusalem coming down, the rest of the dead raised unto the final judgement. KEEP UP will ya !!!!
This whole planet (earth) is temporary for, we know, at the end of time, the Lord will speak again, as He did at creation and it will be all rolled up, put away, done away with.

Why you asked?

God wants to make a new one.

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