Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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who="Fr Robert Dye"
Wow.
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Are you now saying you*do* worship the Bible?
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I was just poking fun.
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The last time a Catholic (think it was Clay) asserted that we (Catholics) do not worship saints, "you" (was it Kay Marie?) posted "Yes, you do. You say you don't, but you do."
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I thought that was completely outrageous.
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Then I saw you deny that you worship the Bible, and I figured the same reasoning must apply. No?
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The Bible is the single-most valuable item a man can own. Call that worship if you will. Yes, I said, "you say you don't, but you do" simply because that is the way that you present saints, crucifix's, Pope's and other Catholic items. CC's infer that we are un-Christian because we respect the Bible...thus declaring their dis-respect of it.

You think that is outrageous?

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HOJO
TELL ME THE MEANING OF THIS BIBLE VERSE.
Isaiah 55 >>
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1Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

3Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

4Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

5Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.

6Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

10For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

12For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

13Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

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Anthony MN wrote:
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So you and your husband speak for God?
could you clarify this question.

are they talking for him when they are rolling on the floor or when they get up trough the help of a lift machine?

but if their conversation is through the jibber jabber that their denomination is famous for, who is correct, her or him hiding behind her skirt or pants since she seems to be de man!
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<quoted text>So are you now reluctantly admitting and agreeing that Paul and Silas did indeed answer the jailors question. "what must I do to be saved?" And that answer was clearly given. Paul did NOT say and then I will add more to the requirement later. He did not tell the jailor that if he happened to see him again he would tell him the rest of the story. And he did not send him away unprepared to meet Jesus. Though you would like to tell us that he did, to fit you RCC beliefs, but it just ain't so Anthony. Read it. Think about it. Accept it. And embrace it. That is true GRACE!
If you're going to isolate this one verse from Acts to the exclusion of the gospels and the rest of the NT, I don't know why you even bother with the bible.

The jailer and his houehold were immediately baptized, so yes, there is more to "believing" than just mouthing the words. Notice that St. Paul also told him that his whole household would be saved based on faith of the jailer, which incidently supports infant baptism.
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<quoted text>So you are almost,though reluctantly agreeing with Paul and Silas. They did indeed answer his sincere and direct question, FULLY. The did not say that we will tell you the rest of the requirements later. Paul did not say that 'well if our paths ever cross again I might tell what ADDITIONAL requirements there are. They answered his question COMPLETELY! Read it again Anthony. Study it. Think about it. This is true.... GRACE.
BTW, I've tried to get some others to explain what belief means to them. Can you tell me what it means to you? Is loving Jesus part of your believing in Him?
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confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Fr Robert Dye"
Wow.
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Are you now saying you*do* worship the Bible?
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I was just poking fun.
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The last time a Catholic (think it was Clay) asserted that we (Catholics) do not worship saints, "you" (was it Kay Marie?) posted "Yes, you do. You say you don't, but you do."
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I thought that was completely outrageous.
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Then I saw you deny that you worship the Bible, and I figured the same reasoning must apply. No?
Rob
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The Bible is the single-most valuable item a man can own. Call that worship if you will. Yes, I said, "you say you don't, but you do" simply because that is the way that you present saints, crucifix's, Pope's and other Catholic items. CC's infer that we are un-Christian because we respect the Bible...thus declaring their dis-respect of it.
You think that is outrageous?
KayMarie
"CC's infer that we are un-Christian because we respect the Bible...thus declaring their dis-respect of it."

If you were to observe the Liturgy of the Word in a Catholic mass you would realize how wrong you are.
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PHOENIX (Reuters)- An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police said on Monday

hopefully, this woman will get life with no chance of Parole. there is no reasoning behind some people and it shows with Az carrying the state for romney.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Fr Robert Dye"
Wow.
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Are you now saying you*do* worship the Bible?
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I was just poking fun.
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The last time a Catholic (think it was Clay) asserted that we (Catholics) do not worship saints, "you" (was it Kay Marie?) posted "Yes, you do. You say you don't, but you do."
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I thought that was completely outrageous.
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Then I saw you deny that you worship the Bible, and I figured the same reasoning must apply. No?
Rob
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The Bible is the single-most valuable item a man can own. Call that worship if you will. Yes, I said, "you say you don't, but you do" simply because that is the way that you present saints, crucifix's, Pope's and other Catholic items. CC's infer that we are un-Christian because we respect the Bible...thus declaring their dis-respect of it.
You think that is outrageous?
KayMarie
No, what I thought was outrageous was the statement that we worship saints, even when we deny that this is so.
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I doubt that you actually worship the scriptures as an idol, although I have no doubt that there are some who call themselves Christian who *do* apprach the Bible very much the way pagans relate to an idol.
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If you tell me that you do NOT worship the Bible, it is outrageous for me to claim otherwise.
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YOU are the only one who can say what your relationship whith God is(Well, yes, God can, too, and one day will, but you knowwhat I mean).
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By the same token, if the CC proclaims that saints are NOT to be worshipped, but only God is to be worshipped, it is outrageous for you to claim the exact opposite.
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It is dishonest.
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Which is surprising coming from you, KayMarie. That is not the sort of thing I have come to expect from you.
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We may disagree theologically, but my impression what that you could be relied upon to be honest and logical.
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Your "yes you do. You say you don't, but you do" was illogical, or dishonest, or both, and left me very disappointed with you.
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I hope and pray you don't worship the scriptures. It is my firm belief that the "mark" made so much of in the Revelation is really speaking figuratively of idolatry. Anyone who worships idols, either literally or figuratively, will have "the mark."
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And I don't think anyone with "great respect" for the scriptures worships them. Respect and love for the scriptures is greatly admirable.
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That respect and love is HOLY.
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It is SACRED.
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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Yes. There is a lot of truth in what you say.
Basically, you believe the passage is read one way, through supposed years of unchanging words, and I've chosen to believe it to be another way - in regards to utilizing all of what Jesus spoke of.
I guess this is where we are at in our discussion, is it not?
Why do you think "John" is more enlightened than Jesus?
Interpretation is Perception.
Perception is Self.
Jesus believed in it, why shouldn't you?
NASL

You wrote," ...I've chosen to believe it to be another way - in regards to utilizing all of what Jesus spoke of."

Our discussion can move forward now...,

First off, I challenge you to demonstrate that Jesus said "all" of these things which Gnosticism holds, and are not in the Bible. Where does it say in Gnosticism that you have ALL of Jesus' sayings? What and where is the validation of these sayings(I didn't say rewritten manuscripts)?

Secondly, your belief system being gnostically based is "utilizing" what Jesus teaches rather than is based in Truth. To utililze is; to use, make a pratical use of, or to exploit. Therefore at best you could lawfully call the teachings of Jesus as being used, but morally not lived. That again goes back to breaking the moral law of the 10 Commanmdments again(Thou shalt not steal. And I will go ahead and declare it covets thy neighbors goods, and commits spiritual adultery. This makes 6 of the 10 Commandments broken.)

I never said John is more enlightened than Jesus.
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Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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No, what I thought was outrageous was the statement that we worship saints, even when we deny that this is so.
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I doubt that you actually worship the scriptures as an idol, although I have no doubt that there are some who call themselves Christian who *do* apprach the Bible very much the way pagans relate to an idol.
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If you tell me that you do NOT worship the Bible, it is outrageous for me to claim otherwise.
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YOU are the only one who can say what your relationship whith God is(Well, yes, God can, too, and one day will, but you knowwhat I mean).
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By the same token, if the CC proclaims that saints are NOT to be worshipped, but only God is to be worshipped, it is outrageous for you to claim the exact opposite.
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It is dishonest.
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Which is surprising coming from you, KayMarie. That is not the sort of thing I have come to expect from you.
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We may disagree theologically, but my impression what that you could be relied upon to be honest and logical.
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Your "yes you do. You say you don't, but you do" was illogical, or dishonest, or both, and left me very disappointed with you.
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I hope and pray you don't worship the scriptures. It is my firm belief that the "mark" made so much of in the Revelation is really speaking figuratively of idolatry. Anyone who worships idols, either literally or figuratively, will have "the mark."
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And I don't think anyone with "great respect" for the scriptures worships them. Respect and love for the scriptures is greatly admirable.
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That respect and love is HOLY.
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It is SACRED.
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Rob
when you have been on here as long as I have, you will find that not all that say Lord, Lord actually belong to HIM.

any person like her and her husband that follow the likes of Benny Hinn cant be a Christian.

FALSE PROPHET ALERT!
Matt 24:23-26 Fulfilled in Your Hearing!

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Previous failed prophecies of Benny Hinn, made on New Year's eve of 1989:

The Spirit tells Benny that Castro will die in the 90's.( 1989 by Benny Hinn)

Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989.

"The Spirit tells me - Fidel Castro will die - in the 90's. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God."

- Benny Hinn.


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The Lord tells Benny that homosexuals in America will be destroyed by fire by 1995.( 1989 by Benny Hinn)

Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989.

"The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid 90's, about '94-'95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America.[audience applauds] But He will not destroy it - with what many minds have thought Him to be, He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed."

- Benny Hinn

http://www.biblelight.net/tbn.htm .

dont want him and her to even remotely suggest that I am plagarizing this article(even tho he aint smret enough to know what the word means)
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Now with that kind of record for Benny Hinn, Trinity Broadcasting Network began its Spring 2000 fundraising Praise-A-Thon with some rather astounding claims. On the April 2nd TBN program, Benny Hinn claimed that God is about to make a major move to anoint the people of God, as soon as Israel signs a treaty with the ailing Hafez Al-Assad* of Syria, which will likely be within the next year. This will signal the impending large scale shift of financial wealth from the wicked to those obedient to God. But, in order to benefit from this unprecedented supernatural anointing, you must be obedient to God and sow your financial seed (to TBN) now!

However, its not the money that really concerns God, its your total obedience. The greatest danger that Christians face now, according to Hinn, is disobedience against God by not contributing financially to the coming harvest of God with your seed money! You must be willing to give your all, in order to demonstrate your true obedience. In fact, Benny revealed that God is even now healing those who call in their contributions to TBN. But this is not selling healing for money, he says, it is God blessing those who are truly obedient and worthy to receive his coming unusual anointing! Indeed, God will even be saving people you know as you are calling in your pledge to TBN. Great signs and wonders are anticipated this coming year, and Benny even told Paul Crouch to expect that there will be dead people raised this year!(R. W. Schambach claimed to have raised a dead man on another later TBN program, in addition to healing the blind, deaf, mute, and lame.) The implication is that you will be bypassed by God and miss out on the supernatural anointing to come if you are not totally obedient to God and call in your pledge to TBN now!

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The Bible is the single-most valuable item a man can own. KayMarie
No, it isn't - my house is.

Maybe you aren't speaking in materialistic value, then okay, I still disagree.

My Spirit is the most "valued" thing I own.
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ROB, dont take my word. ask Anthony about her and her husband.

but what you see is what you get when you know this is what they support.

The death of Assad on June 10th 2000 shows that Benny Hinn did not know what he was talking about, and is further proof that he is a false prophet, if any more evidence was needed.

Benny Hinn's failed prophecy of a peace treaty with Syria's Hafez Al-Assad ( April 2nd, 2000 by TBN) Note: this clip has been edited for the sake of file size, and has several places where content has been edited out. A brief pause occurs at those points.

On the 25th of July, 2000 ( July 25th, 2000 by TBN) when peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians broke down in Washington, Benny Hinn again appeared on a TBN program and said, regarding the recent death of Hafez Al-Assad and his failure to make peace with Israel,- "...it was God's plan for it not to happen, really."

kinda like the lie that PAD another Assembly of God follower told about billy graham and his prophecy about Kennedy AFTER THE DEATH
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4GVN wrote:
<quoted text> But you would gladly go along with someone who would desire for God to cast Billy Grahm to hell. You are a pitiful,mindless follower of the devil.
Their two of a kind. here is their post and reply.
Note hoe he as the I I I I syndrom going on in his post.

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Truth wrote:

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And, why would we care what Billy Graham has to say....
He is another false teacher...so you think it is fine to follow a

false teacher....come on now...

Preston wrote:

lol, I just got home and the phone rang and it was a telemarketer

who had a three question survey that they wanted me to answer.
and the first qustion was about billy graham and what he thought

about something and did I agree or disagree, well of course since I

cant stand Billy Graham, I hit that I disagreed with him and as soon

as I did that, they hung up and I never got to hear the other two

questions.

Now I will miss hours of sleep worrying about those other two

questions about billy graham.

graham ought tokeep his nose out of politics and I will never

forgive him for the ranting that he did against Israel.

May God find him a nice quite out of the way place in a hot

community. where the sun never shines.
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What could be more evil, and unGodly than asking that God would send someone to hell? Pray for him if you disagree. Ask God to change his heart. These might be things that a christian would do. But what Presto did is as unGodly and unchristian and full of hate as can be done. And yet He continually judges others and continually brings up anything he can to condemn. HERE is Preston's post....... You be the judge.........."" "graham ought tokeep his nose out of politics and I will never forgive him""".
"May God find him a nice quite out of the way place in a hot community. where the sun never shines." ..........
NOW UNTRUTH, the question is how ccould anyone follow or give thiere alligience to a person like this???
Yeppers That he did.

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Truth wrote:

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And, why would we care what Billy Graham has to say....
He is another false teacher...so you think it is fine to follow a

false teacher....come on now...

Preston wrote:

lol, I just got home and the phone rang and it was a telemarketer

who had a three question survey that they wanted me to answer.
and the first qustion was about billy graham and what he thought

about something and did I agree or disagree, well of course since I

cant stand Billy Graham, I hit that I disagreed with him and as soon

as I did that, they hung up and I never got to hear the other two

questions.

Now I will miss hours of sleep worrying about those other two

questions about billy graham.

graham ought tokeep his nose out of politics and I will never

forgive him for the ranting that he did against Israel.

May God find him a nice quite out of the way place in a hot

community. where the sun never shines.
MICHAEL

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Free Mind wrote:
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I can predict the reply.
He and others have no choice but to avoid the VERIFIABLE reality you post.
The fact is that you and I are STILL counted as catholic by the Vatican method. We cannot escape.
They own us and have since infancy -- unless of course, we are willing to pay a fee to formally "de-baptize."
Yes thankfully, money will buy anything from the RCC - from an annulment to a ticket to Heaven. So we can pay to escape, but I find that method deplorable. So I suffer in silence under to burden of RCC oppression.
Right on!

The catholic churches records have been miffed since the first catholic quit going to church centuries ago, and every catholic divorced does not go back to the church married in to have the priest rub out his name on the record book.

You can't reverse or disolve a sacrament.

The latest american statistics indicate less than 25% of Roman catholics attend mandatory sunday mass.

Imagine a huge corporation and only 25% of the employees go to work when required? You would be out of business in a hurry.

One only has to look to western europe to have their eyes opened up of catholics bailing out of their church.

The bleeding is profuse.

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Robert F wrote:
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NASL

You wrote," ...I've chosen to believe it to be another way - in regards to utilizing all of what Jesus spoke of."
Our discussion can move forward now...,
Oooh goody!!

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Robert F wrote:
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First off, I challenge you to demonstrate that Jesus said "all" of these things which Gnosticism holds, and are not in the Bible.
I'll answer this challenge after you demonstrate the same challenge with what is included in the Bible.
Robert F wrote:
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Where does it say in Gnosticism that you have ALL of Jesus' sayings?
It doesn't.

Where does it say that Gnosticism is a "heresy"?
Robert F wrote:
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What and where is the validation of these sayings(I didn't say rewritten manuscripts)?
By scholars through texual criticism, research of the words used, and how they have been used in the texts.
Robert F wrote:
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Secondly, your belief system being gnostically based is "utilizing" what Jesus teaches rather than is based in Truth.

Is "Jesus the truth"?
Robert F wrote:
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To utililze is; to use, make a pratical use of, or to exploit.
I choose the use and to make practical use of. I guess the RCC is the only group who is exploiting what Jesus taught.
Robert F wrote:
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Therefore at best you could lawfully call the teachings of Jesus as being used, but morally not lived.
I disagree.

You don't use most of his teachings, as you say you have, which is false, and that is a moral apprehension to others.
Robert F wrote:
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That again goes back to breaking the moral law of the 10 Commanmdments again(Thou shalt not steal. And I will go ahead and declare it covets thy neighbors goods, and commits spiritual adultery. This makes 6 of the 10 Commandments broken.)
WOW - you really think another two is included?

Your opinion really has no bearing on anything in my life. Basically, your negativity towards me and my life will not help you in any way to achieve salvation you think is attainable.

BTW - you aren't supposed to judge.

Do you need another sack of stones?
Robert F wrote:
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I never said John is more enlightened than Jesus.
Yes you did - you quoted "John's" passage and declared he said that Jesus was "God", when Jesus never called himself this title. Thus accepting what "John" stated as true.

So in essence, you not only think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus, you also think "John" is two.
- "bearing false witness"

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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because though He was God He became flesh and blood and was therefore subject to the same indignities that we are and it wasn't His time to die yet.
the bigger question is, since you know these things, why do you side against this good God with smarmy lying devil? do you think that you'll escape the same fate as your mentor?
Thank you! I can't believe that you took out time from all your other socks, just to reply to me!

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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My thoughts are well connected. I'm sorry you are not understanding them. What parts do you need more clarity?
Most of my posts speak of the things that show evidence that the RCC is not any true church for salvation. I've written a lot in this forum, so it won't be hard finding any of mine. You may want to start around post 11K.
An individual and its Self is.
I've shown many a time that those questions I've asked drills to the heart of any salvation, and people still want to hide behind other men and their pulpits.
I do want to thank "Clay for making an attempt to answer them, but "Clay" decided to answer vaguely and not anywhere to the point. He enjoyed diverting from answering the questions directly....
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TV910R5...
...because they hit the heart of honesty in one's belief. Are they really true to their belief or would rather sit in the pews and enjoy what other people tell them who they are.
By all means, its the latter that seems to have the stronghold at the moment. People refusing to take responsibility for their Self.
Cheers.
NASL

You write, " Are they really true to their belief or would rather sit in the pews and enjoy what other people tell them who they are."

I am not dismissing your questioning of others in their beliefs. You are in effect revealing hypocricy. But you leave the answer only to one of two options. Also the question itself is complex/compound, so it cannot be answered.

So I will take the first part of the question....,

The question of "Are they really true to their belief...?"

Being true to one's beliefs requires an intellectual act, and truth. The belief must pass three criteria, one of objectivity, one of intention, and one of circumstances. This makes the belief a moral law. The problem is that in general people often have limited time in which to probe all three of these criteria. And the conflict between law and freedom is often not developed enough in an individual that they may not be able to express their answer into words.

Here is where the hypocricy of Gnosticism is revealed, since it is known to break the moral Law of the 10 Commandments.(6 of which I have named so far.) Therefore, its belief system is not true. And those who practice it are hypocrits.

It is because we have free will that we tend to act as servants to some law. In the case here of intellect and truth, the moral law dictates what is good and bad. And so the conclusion is that Gnosticism is bad, since it breaks moral law....

Q. E. D.

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Anthony MN wrote:
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So you and your husband speak for God?
No but there are times when God speaks to us.

When God's anointed INSPIRED... word is spoken forth

God is speaking, through that individual no matter whom he may be.

-->GOD'S WORD BREAKS THE YOKE...

Isa_10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and

---> the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing. <---

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