Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#402103 Nov 13, 2012
final external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the indestructibility of the Bible. Because of its importance and its claim to be the very Word of God, the Bible has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern-day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still today the most widely published book in the world.
Throughout time, skeptics have regarded the Bible as mythological, but archeology has confirmed it as historical. Opponents have attacked its teaching as primitive and outdated, but its moral and legal concepts and teachings have had a positive influence on societies and cultures throughout the world. It continues to be attacked by pseudo-science, psychology, and political movements, yet it remains just as true and relevant today as it was when it was first written. It is a book that has transformed countless lives and cultures throughout the last 2000 years. No matter how its opponents try to attack, destroy, or discredit it, the Bible remains; its veracity and impact on lives is unmistakable. The accuracy which has been preserved despite every attempt to corrupt, attack, or destroy it is clear testimony to the fact that the Bible is truly God’s Word and is supernaturally protected by Him. It should not surprise us that, no matter how the Bible is attacked, it always comes out unchanged and unscathed. After all, Jesus said,“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away”(Mark 13:31). After looking at the evidence, one can say without a doubt that, yes, the Bible is truly God’s Word.
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Clay

United States

#402104 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted

JESUS SAID NOTHING ABOUT A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, OR A POPE
True Jesus did not use the title 'Roman Catholic Pope' Or 'Roman Catholic Church... If he did, the Roman Emperor Ceaser would have been a little upset with that statement eh?
It doesn't matter what His Church eventually called themselves, Confront. His Church is His Church. They always had one Bishop.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#402105 Nov 13, 2012
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
"God is in the process of perfecting man AND destroying evil. "
- WOW!! Is "He" having a hard time after 2000+ years?
- and of course, this is your opinion, and not fact, so I understand you don't have any citations to support your position, huh?
- Just in case, please provide a citation that shows this process in effect.
"He COULD destroy all evil with just a word."
- WOW!! Another person who knows the mind of "God", when we all know that "all men fall short of God".
- please provide a citation that shows this process can happen.
+ your stance will be "well, He could!", huh?
+ why do you mislead people with false claims?
"But 'there is none good'; there is some evil in everything/man. "
- including yourself. You have a small perception of the world around you.
- Not everyone has "evil" in them. "Some" is characteristic of many, but uncharacteristic of many as well. Care to be specific on what this evil is you claim to know exists within people?
"If He instantly destroys evil, it would leave no man standing."
- always thinking of ways to destroy humanity.
- do you ever think of positive attributes like peace and love, or is it that you want everyone, including yourself, dead?
"Besides...we are tested through such evils as you mention."
- and what evils have I listed. Please be specific, so I can elaborate my context. Thanks!
"Will we feed on His Word, and be perfected, or will we feed on evil...showing that we are unworthy of Him?"
- if you have to pose it in a question, you have much studying to do.
- First off, move past the words and understand the meanings behind them.
- If more people like you, didn't always think that some "evil" being is ready to pounce on anyone, our world would be a much better place.
- Huh, maybe we should just get rid of you? One less person to promote evil, is one less person more thank likely would destroy other lives.
"Why don't YOU believe Jesus???"
- Oh I do. Much more of his teachings than you.

********

You believe Jesus? You are continually telling others that they do not believe His words, but I don't recall having read any of His words from you.

My question as to whether we will follow Him or evil, was simply stating that we have a choice. I know what my choice is.

So YOU don't have any evil in you? You give folks a hard time, don't you know? Do you really think that your positive thinking will keep thieves from stealing?:)

The 'evil' that exists in people is what is called the 'fallen nature'. People in America are fortunate in that our forefathers taught the good life, and disciplined those who were in need of it. We are not 'better than' pagan culture's that live destructively; we've been 'trained' to live better.

Have you heard of the 'knockout parties'? Currently young blacks are attacking white people, leaving them seriously wounded, and laughing about it. The media does not report this very often, though it happens much. This is training youth to be as the communist youth were in Korea. They killed people who were educated. If a person wore glasses, they were counted among the "one percent".(If you wore glasses it spoke of a person who was educated and could read, making them one of the one percent. And educated people are harder to enslave.)

People can be trained to be godly; they can also be trained to yield to their fallen nature.

KayMarie
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#402106 Nov 13, 2012
who="OldJG" ANYONE......THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS
PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE give an answer. ANYONE!
Can someone explain how a person can lose their salvation? Please provide a Biblical account and the specific name or names of those who lost the salvation they truly received.
The Bible tells us what we must do to be saved:
Acts 16:30-31, "And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
The Bible is crystal clear when it describes what we must do to be saved. Knowing exactly what is required to be saved, wouldn't the Bible provide the same clarity by describing how the saved can be unsaved?
Where does the Bible tell us what we must do to be UNsaved?
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="OldJG" ANYONE......THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS
PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE give an answer. ANYONE!
Can someone explain how a person can lose their salvation? Please provide a Biblical account and the specific name or names of those who lost the salvation they truly received.
The Bible tells us what we must do to be saved:
Acts 16:30-31, "And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
The Bible is crystal clear when it describes what we must do to be saved. Knowing exactly what is required to be saved, wouldn't the Bible provide the same clarity by describing how the saved can be unsaved?
Where does the Bible tell us what we must do to be UNsaved?
**********
Rev.3:5 and Rev.3:16
KayMarie
Revelaton 3:5, "All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never erase their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine."

Revelation 3:16, "But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth!"

So you believe these verses are referring to a believer who lost their salvation? Really. Do you believe a born again Christ following Christian is luke warm. Can you produce a name. Where is the name of the person who was a saved Christian who professed Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and then lost their salvation? Please fill in the gaps for me.

Also, did you discover who Jesus was talking about in Matthew 18:11, "For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost." and Luke 19:10, For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#402107 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting. I never really thought the 'mark of the beast' was an actual mark either. There are plenty of people all around us that may as well have a visible mark on their forehead because we can see
They reject God and serve the 'beast'. So an actual
Numbering system would be unnecessary. Right?
Revelation is a doozy of a book when in the wrong hands.
Question: could the So-called rapture that John was seeing be taking place at every Catholic Mass?
Because it seems to me his visions describe the Mass- with the Priests in robes and incense and the Lamb of God (Christ)? Lamb is something you eat. I would like to know your thoughts on Revelation, Fr Rob.
I believe your and Robs post to each other concerning the Mark of the Beast and the Rapture is the most helarious I have ever read. Keep it up Boyz........ROTFLOL
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#402108 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting. I never really thought the 'mark of the beast' was an actual mark either. There are plenty of people all around us that may as well have a visible mark on their forehead because we can see
They reject God and serve the 'beast'. So an actual
Numbering system would be unnecessary. Right?
Revelation is a doozy of a book when in the wrong hands.
Question: could the So-called rapture that John was seeing be taking place at every Catholic Mass?
Because it seems to me his visions describe the Mass- with the Priests in robes and incense and the Lamb of God (Christ)? Lamb is something you eat. I would like to know your thoughts on Revelation, Fr Rob.
Are the ashes that are placed on the forehead of a Roman Catholic during a time they call "lent" the mark of the beast? Hmm.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#402109 Nov 13, 2012
who="OldJG" ANYONE......THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS
PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE give an answer. ANYONE!
Can someone explain how a person can lose their salvation? Please provide a Biblical account and the specific name or names of those who lost the salvation they truly received.
The Bible tells us what we must do to be saved:
Acts 16:30-31, "And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
The Bible is crystal clear when it describes what we must do to be saved. Knowing exactly what is required to be saved, wouldn't the Bible provide the same clarity by describing how the saved can be unsaved?
Where does the Bible tell us what we must do to be UNsaved?
<quoted text>
Revelaton 3:5, "All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never erase their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine."
Revelation 3:16, "But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth!"
So you believe these verses are referring to a believer who lost their salvation? Really. Do you believe a born again Christ following Christian is luke warm. Can you produce a name. Where is the name of the person who was a saved Christian who professed Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and then lost their salvation? Please fill in the gaps for me.
Also, did you discover who Jesus was talking about in Matthew 18:11, "For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost." and Luke 19:10, For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."

**********

JG...I do not believe that a born again CHRIST FOLLOWING CHRISTIAN is lukewarm. But if you go down one street and invite someone to church, you will hear repeatedly of their wounded feelings and bitter experiences with church...and it is next to impossible to get them to come out.

They ARE NOT following Him. When He was hurt He did not quit. When He was tormented by whips and nails, He prayed for His tormentors. Psalm 78:9 says: "The children of Ephraim BEING ARMED turned back."

God has ARMED the Christian with faith and His Spirit. Those who turn back ARE LUKEWARM. In battle a turncoat or a sentry who goes to sleep is court martialed. Jesus said,'if you are lukewarm' He will spew you out.

He needs 'soldiers' fit for the battle. Lives depend on it. It is more important than an earthly battle.

KayMarie

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402110 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
</quoted text>
You believe Jesus? You are continually telling others that they do not believe His words, but I don't recall having read any of His words from you.
My question as to whether we will follow Him or evil, was simply stating that we have a choice. I know what my choice is.
So YOU don't have any evil in you? You give folks a hard time, don't you know? Do you really think that your positive thinking will keep thieves from stealing?:)
The 'evil' that exists in people is what is called the 'fallen nature'. People in America are fortunate in that our forefathers taught the good life, and disciplined those who were in need of it. We are not 'better than' pagan culture's that live destructively; we've been 'trained' to live better.
Have you heard of the 'knockout parties'? Currently young blacks are attacking white people, leaving them seriously wounded, and laughing about it. The media does not report this very often, though it happens much. This is training youth to be as the communist youth were in Korea. They killed people who were educated. If a person wore glasses, they were counted among the "one percent".(If you wore glasses it spoke of a person who was educated and could read, making them one of the one percent. And educated people are harder to enslave.)
People can be trained to be godly; they can also be trained to yield to their fallen nature.
KayMarie
"You believe Jesus? You are continually telling others that they do not believe His words, but I don't recall having read any of His words from you."
- I do.
- I post teachings by Jesus. That must be the point you've missed in many of my posts - words written by men, do not make them Jesus'. They only are Jesus' because other men have said they were.
- So yes, I've posted many words of Jesus - but just like you, they are only from other men. Jesus never wrote anything down, so one cannot be completely sure everything read is accurately depicted.
- IMO, you believe other men first over Jesus, because you have chosen to only believe men and what they have given you to believe. You believe another man's opinion of what to believe. To deny this fact is, not being honest with yourself or other, nor would it probably be with "God" based upon your standards.

"Do you really think that your positive thinking will keep thieves from stealing?:)"
- I can only hope that someone will take what I say positively and run with it to enrich and better their lives.
- I am humble enough to say, that I don't need recognition for the good I do, only hoping that the individual sees the good they have achieved.

"'knockout parties'"
- Can't say I have, but it doesn't surprise me though, as I try not to dwell in seeing destruction. I'd rather hear of a reunion of an American soldier coming back from the war and seeing his children, than what you seem to prefer to watch.

"People can be trained to be godly; they can also be trained to yield to their fallen nature.:
- Men training other men....who would've thought, huh? Inginuity at its best!
- Now I understand you more. You've been trained to admonish others for their perception of salvation, as long as it is different than yours.

And you can't see how this divides its followers?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402111 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
JG...I do not believe that a born again CHRIST FOLLOWING CHRISTIAN is lukewarm. But if you go down one street and invite someone to church, you will hear repeatedly of their wounded feelings and bitter experiences with church...and it is next to impossible to get them to come out.
They ARE NOT following Him. When He was hurt He did not quit. When He was tormented by whips and nails, He prayed for His tormentors. Psalm 78:9 says: "The children of Ephraim BEING ARMED turned back."
God has ARMED the Christian with faith and His Spirit. Those who turn back ARE LUKEWARM. In battle a turncoat or a sentry who goes to sleep is court martialed. Jesus said,'if you are lukewarm' He will spew you out.
He needs 'soldiers' fit for the battle. Lives depend on it. It is more important than an earthly battle.
KayMarie
YEAH JESUS!! RAH! RAH! RAH!
G-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-OOOOO JESUS!!
<|;O)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#402112 Nov 13, 2012
who="OldJG"
Are the ashes that are placed on the forehead of a Roman Catholic during a time they call "lent" the mark of the beast? Hmm.

**********

There is now an RFID chip that can be implanted in one's skin. It can hold all of your pertinent information, and thus be used to fulfill Rev. 13:17 Without it, no one can buy or sell. It can be read with a scanner, much as the clerk in a store scans your purchases.

Global government is now gaining ground, so we can see that all the world can be subdued/enslaved.

One must never accept that 'mark'...

KayMarie
Clay

United States

#402113 Nov 13, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Are the ashes that are placed on the forehead of a Roman Catholic during a time they call "lent" the mark of the beast? Hmm.
No. The ashes are to remind us of our immortality. You say it could be the mark of the beast? Well, that's because you're a false prophet and an idiot for implying such nonsense.
towncrier

Duluth, GA

#402114 Nov 13, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
YEAH JESUS!! RAH! RAH! RAH!
G-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-OOOOO JESUS!!
<|;O)
Are you slightly retarded?
Clay

United States

#402115 Nov 13, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>I believe your and Robs post to each other concerning the Mark of the Beast and the Rapture is the most helarious I have ever read. Keep it up Boyz........ROTFLOL
I don't believe me and Rob conversed with each other about the 'mark of the beast'. I asked him a question but I don't think he responded yet.. Or did he? I'll look back at it.
Anyway, you have no idea what the Apostle John was seeing in his vision. You and the apocalyptic cults are guilty of adding your personal ideology to Revelation. I wish you could see your sin.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#402116 Nov 13, 2012
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"

- I am humble enough to say, that I don't need recognition for the good I do...
"'knockout parties'"
- Can't say I have, but it doesn't surprise me though, as I try not to dwell in seeing destruction. I'd rather hear of a reunion of an American soldier coming back from the war and seeing his children, than what you seem to prefer to watch.
"People can be trained to be godly; they can also be trained to yield to their fallen nature.:
- Men training other men....who would've thought, huh? Inginuity at its best!
- Now I understand you more. You've been trained to admonish others for their perception of salvation, as long as it is different than yours.
And you can't see how this divides its followers?

**********

Who mentioned 'watching' anything? Or any preferences?
Godly training. You never heard of mothers and fathers? Teachers?
(You were BORN godly...I see...):)
What divides whose followers? Sorry, you don't make things very plain.

KayMarie
Clay

United States

#402117 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
No. The ashes are to remind us of our immortality. You say it could be the mark of the beast? Well, that's because you're a false prophet and an idiot for implying such nonsense.
Oops, I meant the ashes are a sign of our mortality. Lol.
Clay

United States

#402118 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="OldJG"
Are the ashes that are placed on the forehead of a Roman Catholic during a time they call "lent" the mark of the beast? Hmm.
**********
There is now an RFID chip that can be implanted in one's skin. It can hold all of your pertinent information, and thus be used to fulfill Rev. 13:17 Without it, no one can buy or sell. It can be read with a scanner, much as the clerk in a store scans your purchases.
Global government is now gaining ground, so we can see that all the world can be subdued/enslaved.
One must never accept that 'mark'...
KayMarie
I never thought the 'mark of the Beast' would be an actual mark. It doesn't make sense that an actual mark would need to be applied to ones forehead.
I was glad a Catholic Priest didn't think so either.
I guess I never really looked into official Church teachings on the subject. Frankly, Catholics don't get to hyped up in the hysteria of Apocalyptic talk.
It doesn't really alarm us. Perhaps that is because we receive the Eucharist and Christ "abides in me and He in I". So really, what worries are there? Four horseman? Beasts? Trumpets and battles? Lol. With Christ, all is good.. You people can run to the compound. I'll be at the Cathedral of Saint Paul calmly celebrating Mass.
Clay

United States

#402119 Nov 13, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>I believe your and Robs post to each other concerning the Mark of the Beast and the Rapture is the most helarious I have ever read. Keep it up Boyz........ROTFLOL
Well, why do YOU think there is an actual 'rapture'.
Why do YOU think an actual mark is placed on ones forehead?

Wouldn't it make more sense that the Angel was symbolically showing John something? And NOT literally??
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#402120 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
I don't believe me and Rob conversed with each other about the 'mark of the beast'. I asked him a question but I don't think he responded yet.. Or did he? I'll look back at it.
Anyway, you have no idea what the Apostle John was seeing in his vision. You and the apocalyptic cults are guilty of adding your personal ideology to Revelation. I wish you could see your sin.
Let me remind you

Fr Robert Dye wrote:

<quoted text>
No, what I thought was outrageous was the statement that we worship

saints, even when we deny that this is so.
.
I doubt that you actually worship the scriptures as an idol, although I

have no doubt that there are some who call themselves Christian who *do*

apprach the Bible very much the way pagans relate to an idol.
.
If you tell me that you do NOT worship the Bible, it is outrageous for me

to claim otherwise.
.
YOU are the only one who can say what your relationship whith God is(Well,

yes, God can, too, and one day will, but you knowwhat I mean).
.
By the same token, if the CC proclaims that saints are NOT to be

worshipped, but only God is to be worshipped, it is outrageous for you to

claim the exact opposite.
.
It is dishonest.
.
Which is surprising coming from you, KayMarie. That is not the sort of

thing I have come to expect from you.
.
We may disagree theologically, but my impression what that you could be

relied upon to be honest and logical.
.
Your "yes you do. You say you don't, but you do" was illogical, or

dishonest, or both, and left me very disappointed with you.
.
I hope and pray you don't worship the scriptures. It is my firm belief

that the "mark" made so much of in the Revelation is really speaking

figuratively of idolatry. Anyone who worships idols, either literally or

figuratively, will have "the mark."
.
And I don't think anyone with "great respect" for the scriptures worships

them. Respect and love for the scriptures is greatly admirable.
.
That respect and love is HOLY.
.
It is SACRED.
.
Rob
Interesting. I never really thought the 'mark of the beast' was an actual

mark either. There are plenty of people all around us that may as well

have a visible mark on their forehead because we can see
They reject God and serve the 'beast'. So an actual
Numbering system would be unnecessary. Right?

Revelation is a doozy of a book when in the wrong hands.

Question: could the So-called rapture that John was seeing be taking place

at every Catholic Mass?
Because it seems to me his visions describe the Mass- with the Priests in

robes and incense and the Lamb of God (Christ)? Lamb is something you eat.

I would like to know your thoughts on Revelation, Fr Rob.
Clay

United States

#402121 Nov 13, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>I believe your and Robs post to each other concerning the Mark of the Beast and the Rapture is the most helarious I have ever read. Keep it up Boyz........ROTFLOL
I think a good book for you would be "The Lambs Supper; the Mass as Heaven on Earth" by Dr Scott Hahn.
I only skimmed through it, but I know its a detailed outline of Revelation and how it pertains to the Holy Mass.
Your paranoid version of Revelation is very new. I think you'd be interested how the early Christians viewed it. I don't know when exactly your side added to the book.. But clearly someone did and passed it on to you!
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#402122 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
Well, why do YOU think there is an actual 'rapture'.
Why do YOU think an actual mark is placed on ones forehead?
Wouldn't it make more sense that the Angel was symbolically showing John something? And NOT literally??
I never said it had to be a literal mark now did I. There are several views on it. It does have to do with buying and selling and those that overcoe are the ones keeping the commandments of God.
For one the bible speaks of the resurrection and being CALLED UP to meet him in the air.

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