Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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Anthony MN

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As I said, you will never get beyond your simplistic 'skin color' thing, no matter what I say.
I guess in your mind, that explains the Asian-American vote too.
Deep.
Funny you bring up GWB. Leading up to the election, I didn't hear his name mentioned once by any Republican. That didn't occur to me until now.
Maybe it's the minority thing. I think if it was two white guys running the result would have been different.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
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Evidently..
You would just love to control and censor what I post..But as an Ordained Bishop duly recognized by my Church.
I will continue to exercise my freedom and authority to preach teach a publish and defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ...
I am here to confront with the word of God...If it cramps your style ..so be it.
I am not here for popularity...
My charge is
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
You may be recognized as an authority within your faith community, but why do you insist I recognize your authority when I'm not part of it and you reject the authority in my Church?

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Yes PAD--"broad is the way" --in fact, your bible only Protestant, inconsistent, contradicting and conflicting 42,000+ denominations, are "so broad" that all of you have a "monopoly and a clear path to destruction".----Abortion , gay marriage, euthenasia, emboyonic stem cell research, gay ministers, and on and on and on,(every which way) depending and accepting, anything and everything (every which way)" that the political wind blows! I have found, worship, have accepted, and adhere to the TRUE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST--"each and every day" at daily Mass, the Eucharist, Gods Word, the Sacraments, etc. Unfortunately, for you PAD, you are as "mixed up, confused and distorted in your "anti-catholic judgmental opinion' as LTM, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG and any other bible only Protestant heretic, that I left out!!

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You need to be educated. No RESPECTABLE Protestant organization approves abortion, homosexual 'marriage'(there is no such thing), euthanasia, etc. A few proud 'clubs' calling themselves 'churches' are guilty.

But then, I'm told that U.S. Catholic nuns are also standing up for 'women's rights'.

If we, as Christians, cannot/will not unite in faith, we are in for trouble. "If you have not love, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN YOU."

Our cry must be GOD FIRST, OTHERS SECOND...and 'opinions' must bow to that unity.

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There is only truth, there are not competing versions of it. If one says baptism is necessary for salvation and the other says no, one of them is in trouble.

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I did not say that God would forgive the person who had it 'wrong'. I said that if both were honestly searching for the truth, God is able to make their search fruitful. Sometimes it takes time (I'm still learning.) And patience on the part of the one who has the truth is helpful. "He that WINNETH souls is wise."

Too many people are driving people away, rather than winning them.

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No Catholic has ever inferred that you are un-Christion because you respect the bible. We respect it too. If you were to observe the Liturgy of the Word in our mass you would agree that we have a tremendous respect for the bible, so much so that we won't claim the personal authority to infallibly interpret it.
In my opinion, prostestants who claim to speak for God when they personally interpret bible verses are showing a disrespect for the bible AND God Himself.

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I don't like generalities. Tell me some of these personal interpretations that you are talking about.

We don't claim personal authority to interpret the Word. We have a TEACHER Who understands it well. Some people get ahead of Him...but that is their problem, not mine.

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"Houston, we have a problem."
Why did "God" allow Led Zeppelin to write "Stairway To Heaven", when knowing that when the song is played backwards, it seems to promote Satan and otehr evil ways?
Did "God" miss this one, and for the past 30 years, just decided to let it go and not try to stop it from occuring?
Why don't you think "God" is not creditted for this song either?
Your logic is skewed. You lack knowledge to differentiate what exactly what "God" can or cannot do.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
(3) Jesus says:
(1) "If those who lead you say to you:‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you:‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."
Why don't you believe Jesus?
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God is in the process of perfecting man AND destroying evil. He COULD destroy all evil with just a word. But 'there is none good'; there is some evil in everything/man. If He instantly destroys evil, it would leave no man standing. Besides...we are tested through such evils as you mention. Will we feed on His Word, and be perfected, or will we feed on evil...showing that we are unworthy of Him?
Why don't YOU believe Jesus???
KayMarie
"God is in the process of perfecting man AND destroying evil. "
- WOW!! Is "He" having a hard time after 2000+ years?
- and of course, this is your opinion, and not fact, so I understand you don't have any citations to support your position, huh?
- Just in case, please provide a citation that shows this process in effect.

"He COULD destroy all evil with just a word."
- WOW!! Another person who knows the mind of "God", when we all know that "all men fall short of God".
- please provide a citation that shows this process can happen.
+ your stance will be "well, He could!", huh?
+ why do you mislead people with false claims?

"But 'there is none good'; there is some evil in everything/man. "
- including yourself. You have a small perception of the world around you.
- Not everyone has "evil" in them. "Some" is characteristic of many, but uncharacteristic of many as well. Care to be specific on what this evil is you claim to know exists within people?

"If He instantly destroys evil, it would leave no man standing."
- always thinking of ways to destroy humanity.
- do you ever think of positive attributes like peace and love, or is it that you want everyone, including yourself, dead?

"Besides...we are tested through such evils as you mention."
- and what evils have I listed. Please be specific, so I can elaborate my context. Thanks!

"Will we feed on His Word, and be perfected, or will we feed on evil...showing that we are unworthy of Him?"
- if you have to pose it in a question, you have much studying to do.
- First off, move past the words and understand the meanings behind them.
- If more people like you, didn't always think that some "evil" being is ready to pounce on anyone, our world would be a much better place.
- Huh, maybe we should just get rid of you? One less person to promote evil, is one less person more thank likely would destroy other lives.

"Why don't YOU believe Jesus???"
- Oh I do. Much more of his teachings than you.

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YOU, LTM, continue to prove, over and over and over again--that "you have NO IDEA, as to what you are talking about, which is no surprise to ANYONE, especially Catholics.--To begin, I read the bible (every day) and have read it through and through at least on 10 different occasions over a period of 35 years. You, my friend, are so "out of touch" with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, regarding the Christian belief, Salvation, and Our Lords TRUE doctrine of faith as well as the TRUE--spoken and stated words of Jesus Christ (HIMSELF) because of being so "inundated with your "bible only" anti-catholic, anti-church, anti-TRUE GOSPEL heretical teachings. I suggest that you refrain from undermine the TRUE GOSPEL and message of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, and make an effort to "get out of the anti-Church, anti- Catholic "bondage" that have infected your heart, mind and soul. As I said before, YOU are not the "final judge" of ANYONE (elses) Salvation, their personal relationship with Jesus Christ and who is a Christian and who is not!!
Have you ever said anything nice about the people you post to?

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I made the mistake of responding to your post.. I forgot that all you can do is insult and harangue and harass... like Preston Jr
.I should have ignored you...and from now on unless you write something that is edifying I intend to, IGNORE YOUR POST.
Is that the power of "God" or you your Self?

BTW - I make direct points that show how you do not follow Jesus, and his words of salvation.

Hey, I'm just a messenger.

Maybe you should talk with your husband and try to reconcile these differences openly, instead of keeping them hidden away within?

Thanks for responding!

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No Catholic has ever inferred that you are un-Christion because you respect the bible. We respect it too. If you were to observe the Liturgy of the Word in our mass you would agree that we have a tremendous respect for the bible, so much so that we won't claim the personal authority to infallibly interpret it.
In my opinion, prostestants who claim to speak for God when they personally interpret bible verses are showing a disrespect for the bible AND God Himself.
You wrote..

In my opinion, protestants who claim to speak for God when they personally interpret bible verses are showing a disrespect for the bible AND God Himself.

I am an evangelical Bishop/pastor with over 60 years of Bible study ...

If you can find one of your priest that have that many years in the word

more power to him..

I have posted on multiple subjects here about the Bible...

In doing so I have attempted to validate what I have expressed as truth from the Bible with more than one scripture verse..giving more than one witness to give it credibility..

The Roman catholic Church cannot produce any scripture to

substantiate/validate your teaching concerning ....

A Pope or Papal succession in Rome which is the primary foundation of your Church..

This ..to me jeopardize all the rest that your church stands for...

It is just not in the Bible...

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That's nice. Does loving Jesus not include obeying Him? What if your faith tradition is wrong about those things which Jesus commanded us to do?

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And what if YOUR faith tradition is wrong about those things which Jesus commanded?

You are willing to accept the word of infallible men; sometimes men who are guilty of molesting children (you don't know the difference in them). You believe infallible men to save you.

If you ask Him, Jesus will teach you Himself.

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There is only truth, there are not competing versions of it. If one says baptism is necessary for salvation and the other says no, one of them is in trouble.
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I did not say that God would forgive the person who had it 'wrong'. I said that if both were honestly searching for the truth, God is able to make their search fruitful. Sometimes it takes time (I'm still learning.) And patience on the part of the one who has the truth is helpful. "He that WINNETH souls is wise."
Too many people are driving people away, rather than winning them.
KayMarie
I like your honest post Kay. No one should ever question your love for Christ and zeal for the Gospel.
Still the question remains.. There can only be one truth.
Who is preaching it?

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When you paste scripture verses, you are conveying His words. When you add your own personal opinions as to the meaning of His words you are doing nothing but sharing your opinions. Neither you nor your husband have any authority to speak infallibly.
Stick to pasting scripture and leave the interpretation to those who have authority. That's biblical.

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I trust the authority of GOD, not that of men. If I speak the words of God/Jesus, THEY ARE THE AUTHORITY.

Who are you to determine which man has the authority? Just because a MAN holds the credentials given to him by MEN in Rome, one cannot say that he has the authority of GOD.

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That's nice. Does loving Jesus not include obeying Him? What if your faith tradition is wrong about those things which Jesus commanded us to do?
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And what if YOUR faith tradition is wrong about those things which Jesus commanded?
You are willing to accept the word of infallible men; sometimes men who are guilty of molesting children (you don't know the difference in them). You believe infallible men to save you.
If you ask Him, Jesus will teach you Himself.
KayMarie
"And what if YOUR faith tradition is wrong about those things which Jesus commanded?"
- Why do you question someone, when you don't even believe in all of his teachings?
- What if your "faith tradition" is wrong?

Why do you use words that have vague meanings, but try to encapsulate a complete teachings?

Why do you think a handful of men - chosen by the Catholics - had all of what "God" wanted to express?

You really don't understand the history of your religion, huh?

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There is only truth, there are not competing versions of it. If one says baptism is necessary for salvation and the other says no, one of them is in trouble.
In trouble of what?

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Maybe it's the minority thing. I think if it was two white guys running the result would have been different.
You may get that chance in 2016. You may even get two black guys running, then you will really have to make a decision.

Bummer for you.

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You wrote..
In my opinion, protestants who claim to speak for God when they personally interpret bible verses are showing a disrespect for the bible AND God Himself.
I am an evangelical Bishop/pastor with over 60 years of Bible study ...
If you can find one of your priest that have that many years in the word
more power to him..
I have posted on multiple subjects here about the Bible...
In doing so I have attempted to validate what I have expressed as truth from the Bible with more than one scripture verse..giving more than one witness to give it credibility..
The Roman catholic Church cannot produce any scripture to
substantiate/validate your teaching concerning ....
A Pope or Papal succession in Rome which is the primary foundation of your Church..
This ..to me jeopardize all the rest that your church stands for...
It is just not in the Bible...
"I am an evangelical Bishop/pastor with over 60 years of Bible study ..."
- Pride - Hey GiF - looks like you are on a losing path.

Wanna talk about it "pastor"?

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I like your honest post Kay. No one should ever question your love for Christ and zeal for the Gospel.
Still the question remains.. There can only be one truth.
Who is preaching it?
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There can only be one truth.
Who is preaching it?

JESUS IS...

hE SAID

Joh_11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh_15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Joh_15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

JESUS SAID NOTHING ABOUT A ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, OR A POPE
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How do you know that your church fathers told you the truth.
All tough I am not a big fan of Luther, he was a catholic and dicide the church fathers were in error.
And many catholic's after him decided Luther was right.
Why is that I wonder;;;; could it be that almighty God put the truth in their hearts and lead them to understanding it through the Holy Spirit of Truth.
There is no salvation in the catholic church or the protestant churchs salvations comes from God Himself.
Are you asking if Almighty God put the truth in Protestants hearts 1,500 yrs after Christ?

No LTM, I think that's highly unlikely for many reasons.
The obvious reason is that the Holy Spirit had already spoken.
Another obvious reason is the New Testament wasn't even put together until the 4th century.
So we know at the Holy Spirit was with the Church during that period, right? Constantine was already dead; Rome was Christian; 35 Popes had already lived and died....I mean, the list goes on.

And if God did put the truth in Protestants hearts, I would ask you which ones? You all are scattered quite badly in Christian theology.

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I like your honest post Kay. No one should ever question your love for Christ and zeal for the Gospel.
Still the question remains.. There can only be one truth.
Who is preaching it?

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Thank you, Clay...and I understand your question. The preacher must be 'sent'(how can he preach except he be sent...Isa.). He must have a sense of 'calling' from God. His preaching must agree with what God says. His life should be irreproachable.

I have known many in my lifetime who left the world and followed Jesus because they saw Jesus in the life of a holy man or woman. I've known some of those 'holy' men and women...and I know a whole lot more who are striving to be holy.

Exhort one another daily...Heb. 3:13

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.....you can make up tales to see if others are paying attention to you?

Your arrogance is starting to peek around the corner.

You and your husband should talk about "pride" more often.

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