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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#402126 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="7th Day Catholics Rock"
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Rob
Interesting. I never really thought the 'mark of the beast' was an actual
mark either. There are plenty of people all around us that may as well
have a visible mark on their forehead because we can see
They reject God and serve the 'beast'. So an actual
Numbering system would be unnecessary. Right?
Revelation is a doozy of a book when in the wrong hands.
Question: could the So-called rapture that John was seeing be taking place
at every Catholic Mass?
Because it seems to me his visions describe the Mass- with the Priests in
robes and incense and the Lamb of God (Christ)? Lamb is something you eat.
I would like to know your thoughts on Revelation, Fr Rob.
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Catholic Mass...the RAPTURE ??? Priests...robes...incense and the Lamb of God? The Lamb is something you EAT ??? Surely you must be kidding?
KayMarie
LOL yes that was Clays words I just reposted his response to ROB so he would remember what he posted.

I never heard any tell anything so rediculous concerning the resurrection/rapture.
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402127 Nov 13, 2012
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#402128 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
...
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A Pope or Papal succession in Rome which is the primary foundation of your Church..
This ..to me jeopardize all the rest that your church stands for...
It is just not in the Bible...
Websters definition of the word Pope--means "Bishop", which is referred to and clearly "spelled out" in Acts 2, in Jesus Christs 1st Church at Antioch~!
AGAIN---"where does it say "in the bible that God chose to transmit His divine and Sacred Word---ONLY ----in the bible. This "bible only" claim of yours is (nothing) but a "man-made" belief that has been concocted, made up,/invented "myth" that has absolutely "no basis" of ANY biblical or historical truth to "back up" ANY of what it claims as truth! On the other hand--the Catholic Church has over 2000 years of PROVEN biblical and historical documented writings to confirm, back up and substantiate its (ENTIRE) existence as being authenticate and TRUE---your "bible only" made-up belief has NONE--NOTHING--ZILCH!!!! In fact--that IN THE BIBLE itself--it says just the opposite!! In I Tim 3:15 Paul calls "The Church (not the bible) the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH.--When are you going to stop "making up things" Confrinting. We, as Catholics, continue to "uncover and expose" all of your "fabricated false and distorted assertions as "just plain lies"----attempting to deceive others while you deceive yourself!!!
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#402129 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, why do YOU think there is an actual 'rapture'.
Why do YOU think an actual mark is placed on ones forehead?
Wouldn't it make more sense that the Angel was symbolically showing John something? And NOT literally??
Exactly like your belief and literal interpretation of TRANSUBSTANTIATION. Your faith is a joke as you are a joke.

Did you know John 6 does not describe the Jesus and His disciples in the upper room. Probably not....you are tooooooooooooo dummmmmmmmmmb or toooooooooooo Rommmmmmmmmman Catholllllllllllllllllllllic. Onnnnnnnnnnnne or the oooooooother or booooooooth!

Luke 22:19, "And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."

DO WHAT???? HE BROKE THE BREAD not His arm or leg and said do this in remembrance of Me. Wow Jesus did not say do this because the bread IS me. IN REMEMBRANCE of HIM!

Luke 22:20, "Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you."

WHAT IS IT???? Is the NEW COVENANT in His blood. NOT HIS BLOOD!!!

Your Roman Catholics are so gullible....lol....lol....lol! !!!
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402130 Nov 13, 2012
Section 1. The Heresy of The Protestant Reformers And The Jansenists

THE HERETICAL ERRORS OF LUTHER, CALVIN, AND JANSENIUS CONTRASTED WITH THE ORTHODOX TEACHING OF THE CHURCH.¬óLuther and Calvin asserted that the freedom of the will was irretrievably lost by original sin. Jansenius taught that the will is overcome by efficacious grace in exactly the same way as it is overpowered by concupiscence in the absence of grace. Against both these heresies the Church has always maintained that the will remains free under the influence of efficacious grace.

http://christianbookshelf.org/pohle/grace_act...
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402131 Nov 13, 2012
Protestantism is material heresy

All adult Protestant Christians are in a state of material heresy. These Christians adhere to various Protestant heresies condemned by the Council of Trent or condemned by the Church in other ways, at other times. They obstinately doubt, or obstinately reject, important teachings on faith or morals or salvation that are required beliefs of the Catholic Christian Faith.

And yet many Protestant preachers and theologians have contributed true and useful insights into the Christian faith. For the heretic always rejects something substantial of the true Faith, but he also always retains something substantial of the true Faith. Care and caution must be exercised when learning from anyone who adheres to or teaches material heresy. For a heresy on one matter can substantially affect a teaching on another matter. All the truths of the Faith are interrelated.

http://ronconte.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/prot...
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#402132 Nov 13, 2012
towncrier wrote:
You are "right on" with this article as the ending paragraph (sums up) his TRUE assertions:

In the end, Protestantism is a "man-made creation of distortions, and bible verse quoting addictive madness. It's a relatively new religious phenomenon, only 500 years old, and it will eventually go extinct, just as many other heretical movements before it. The only hope for any Christian involved in Protestantism is to turn to the traditions of ancient Christianity, and there he will find the Catholic Church faithfully keeping them throughout the centuries, right up until the modern time. As Michael Voris pointed out in his videos above, there must be sanity. Christians need an authority outside of Scripture to teach us what the Scriptures TRULY mean, and Jesus Christ set up that authority for us in the Catholic Church. Either we accept it, or we reject it, but we will find no stability in our Christian lives until it is fully embraced.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#402133 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, why do YOU think there is an actual 'rapture'.
Why do YOU think an actual mark is placed on ones forehead?
Wouldn't it make more sense that the Angel was symbolically showing John something? And NOT literally??
Just like Jesus spoke FIGURATIVELY about the bread being 'His Body' and the wine being 'His Blood'... you reject that truth...
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#402134 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I think a good book for you would be "The Lambs Supper; the Mass as Heaven on Earth" by Dr Scott Hahn.
I only skimmed through it, but I know its a detailed outline of Revelation and how it pertains to the Holy Mass.
Your paranoid version of Revelation is very new. I think you'd be interested how the early Christians viewed it. I don't know when exactly your side added to the book.. But clearly someone did and passed it on to you!
THE MASS????? In the Bible?????? No..........

Dr. Scott Hahn.....a ROMAN CATHOLIC "HERETIC". "Scott Hahn is a contemporary author, theologian, and Catholic apologist. His works include Rome Sweet Home and The Lamb's Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth."

What mass did Jesus attend in the JEWISH TEMPLE? lol lol lol lol

Oh thats right.....Jesus becomes a cracker in your m.a.s.s. when the priest says hocus pocus. Those words....hocus pocus.....are the words your priest uses for his mass.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#402135 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I think a good book for you would be "The Lambs Supper; the Mass as Heaven on Earth" by Dr Scott Hahn.
I only skimmed through it, but I know its a detailed outline of Revelation and how it pertains to the Holy Mass.
Your paranoid version of Revelation is very new. I think you'd be interested how the early Christians viewed it. I don't know when exactly your side added to the book.. But clearly someone did and passed it on to you!
Horse apples.
The Book of Revelation clearly discusses what things will happen. In chapters 17 & 18, it CLEARLY shows how romanism will be destroyed.
So obviously you're either too dumb or too cocky to admit that.
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402136 Nov 13, 2012
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Just like Jesus spoke FIGURATIVELY about the bread being 'His Body' and the wine being 'His Blood'... you reject that truth...
Jesus wasn't speaking figuratively. The fact is that He spoke so literally that it drove many of His disciples away that day as I see it has driven you away as well HERETIC!
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402137 Nov 13, 2012
The Catholic Church is the oldest institution in the western world. It can trace its history back almost 2000 years.

Today there are more than a billion Catholics in the world, spread across all five continents with particular concentrations in southern Europe, the United States, the Philippines and the countries of Central and South America. What binds this diverse group of people together is their faith in Jesus Christ and their obedience to the papacy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/chris...

Whoa! Even the BBC knows the truth.
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402138 Nov 13, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You are "right on" with this article as the ending paragraph (sums up) his TRUE assertions:
In the end, Protestantism is a "man-made creation of distortions, and bible verse quoting addictive madness. It's a relatively new religious phenomenon, only 500 years old, and it will eventually go extinct, just as many other heretical movements before it. The only hope for any Christian involved in Protestantism is to turn to the traditions of ancient Christianity, and there he will find the Catholic Church faithfully keeping them throughout the centuries, right up until the modern time. As Michael Voris pointed out in his videos above, there must be sanity. Christians need an authority outside of Scripture to teach us what the Scriptures TRULY mean, and Jesus Christ set up that authority for us in the Catholic Church. Either we accept it, or we reject it, but we will find no stability in our Christian lives until it is fully embraced.
Invincible ignorance isn't at play on this thread. They are deliberately obstinate and enemies of the faith. Let them be damned or let them be saved. It's their choice.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#402139 Nov 13, 2012
Here is a short list of ROMAN CATHOLIC
HERESIES or as most people would say LIES!

1. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
2. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
3. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
4. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
5. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
6. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God" first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
7. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
8. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
9. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
10. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
11. Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels A.D. 600
12. First man to be proclaimed Pope (Boniface III) A.D. 610
13. Kissing the Pope's feet A.D. 709
14. Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepon, King of the Franks A.D. 750
15. Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized A.D. 786
16. Holy water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest A.D. 850
17. Veneration of St. Joseph A.D. 890
18. Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV A.D. 995
19. Fasting on Fridays and Lent A.D. 998
20. The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory 11th c.
21. Celibacy of priests declared A.D. 1079
22. Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit A.D. 1090
23. The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona A.D. 1184
24. Sale of indulgences A.D. 1190
25. Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard 12th c.
26. Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III A.D. 1215
27. Auricular confession (Rite of reconciliation) of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215
28. Adoration of the wafer (called the Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III A.D. 1220
29. Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England A.D. 1251
30. The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by Council of Constance A.D. 1414
31. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D. 1439
32. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1545
33. Apocryphal books are added to the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1546
34. Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed A.D. 1560
35. Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX A.D. 1854
36. Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope's temporal authority over all civil rulers A.D. 1864
37. Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the Vatican Council A.D. 1870
38. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pius XII A.D. 1950
39. Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" by Pope Paul VI A.D. 1965
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402140 Nov 13, 2012
St. Thomas Aquinas defining heresy:

"a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas"
towncrier

Alpharetta, GA

#402141 Nov 13, 2012
Gravity of the sin of heresy

Heresy is a sin because of its nature it is destructive of the virtue of Christian faith. Its malice is to be measured therefore by the excellence of the good gift of which it deprives the soul. Now faith is the most precious possession of man, the root of his supernatural life, the pledge of his eternal salvation.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#402142 Nov 13, 2012
towncrier wrote:
St. Thomas Aquinas defining heresy:
"a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas"
Yes, exactly like these 39 heresies from the Roman Catholic CULT!
We have another Roman liar in the camp!!!

1. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
2. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
3. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
4. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
5. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
6. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God" first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
7. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
8. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
9. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
10. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
11. Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels A.D. 600
12. First man to be proclaimed Pope (Boniface III) A.D. 610
13. Kissing the Pope's feet A.D. 709
14. Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepon, King of the Franks A.D. 750
15. Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized A.D. 786
16. Holy water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest A.D. 850
17. Veneration of St. Joseph A.D. 890
18. Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV A.D. 995
19. Fasting on Fridays and Lent A.D. 998
20. The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory 11th c.
21. Celibacy of priests declared A.D. 1079
22. Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit A.D. 1090
23. The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona A.D. 1184
24. Sale of indulgences A.D. 1190
25. Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard 12th c.
26. Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III A.D. 1215
27. Auricular confession (Rite of reconciliation) of sins to a priest instead of God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215
28. Adoration of the wafer (called the Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III A.D. 1220
29. Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England A.D. 1251
30. The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by Council of Constance A.D. 1414
31. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D. 1439
32. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1545
33. Apocryphal books are added to the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1546
34. Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original Apostolic Creed A.D. 1560
35. Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX A.D. 1854
36. Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope's temporal authority over all civil rulers A.D. 1864
37. Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the Vatican Council A.D. 1870
38. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pius XII A.D. 1950
39. Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" by Pope Paul VI A.D. 1965
Fr Robert Dye

Tulsa, OK

#402143 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting. I never really thought the 'mark of the beast' was an actual mark either. There are plenty of people all around us that may as well have a visible mark on their forehead because we can see
They reject God and serve the 'beast'. So an actual
Numbering system would be unnecessary. Right?
Revelation is a doozy of a book when in the wrong hands.
Question: could the So-called rapture that John was seeing be taking place at every Catholic Mass?
Because it seems to me his visions describe the Mass- with the Priests in robes and incense and the Lamb of God (Christ)? Lamb is something you eat. I would like to know your thoughts on Revelation, Fr Rob.
Wow.they all went nuts,didn't they?
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It's pretty late, and what you ask requires a long reply. I probably won't get to it tonight.
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But I will say this much. The Revelation (Be very suspicious of anyone who calls it the "Book of Revelations." If they cannot get the name right,they obviously don't know what they are talking about.)is an example of Apocalyptic Literature, just as Daniel is.
.
There are things common to Apoc. Lit. It is a lierary form, and the forms are generally obeyed.(To give you an idea on this, look at Peanuts and Garfield. red and Rover, if your paper gets it. All the animals "talk" in thought balloons, while the humans use word balloons. Sometimes it is conveyed that the humans clearly understand the animals, but usually, it can be read that they do not. This is a convention in the form "comic strip." Once you know how to read the symbols, the meaning comes through. Another good example is the editorial page. I'm always having to decode the cartoons for the Mexicans, as they do not understand the symbolism of donkey and elephant, so the meaning is obscure for them. This is another convention followed in a form.)
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the thing to understand about Apoc. lit. is that it is a message of hope and reassurance to the reader. It is not meant to frighten. nor is it meant to be a prediction of th efuture.
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The Revelation is more likely a bit of protest lit directed at the Roman Empire and its persecution of Christians. The symbols and numbers were clear for the Christians of that time ... they "got it" immediately, since the symbology was their own.
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The only future "predicted" in the Rev. is God's Ultimate Victory over evil ... that this WILL come to pass, so do not lose heart.
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I don't think you are using th eterm "rapture" quite correctly. This is a term that was more or less invented by Scofield and Darby, who came up with an entirely new interpretation of the Rev. in th e19th century ... one that somehow was completely overlooked by all scholars up to that point. It involves a kind of magical "disappearance" of all Christians during human history.(The entire "Left Behind" series is built on this notion.)
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Nevertheless, your comment about parts of the Heavenly Vision being drawn from worship practices of Christians is interesting. I will have to look at that a bit more tomorrow.
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G'night.
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Rob
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#402144 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
True Jesus did not use the title 'Roman Catholic Pope' Or 'Roman Catholic Church... If he did, the Roman Emperor Ceaser would have been a little upset with that statement eh?
It doesn't matter what His Church eventually called themselves, Confront. His Church is His Church. They always had one Bishop.
Rather oddd that you(a genius) would know that , but Paul(a mere apostle) did not.
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#402145 Nov 14, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're going to isolate this one verse from Acts to the exclusion of the gospels and the rest of the NT, I don't know why you even bother with the bible.
The jailer and his houehold were immediately baptized, so yes, there is more to "believing" than just mouthing the words. Notice that St. Paul also told him that his whole household would be saved based on faith of the jailer, which incidently supports infant baptism.
I am not isolating anything. This verse is in total agreement with the rest of the new testament and the gospel message. You would reject this passage even though it is complete, accurate and in context. In fact I don't think that you are even able to really honestly consider the truth presented here.
The fact that the jailer was 'later' baptized. has nothing to do with his salvation, but is a testamony to his 'discipleship'. The normal chain of events for a 'CHRISTIAN'(one who has been saved by thier faith in the Saviour, is to be baptized. But it is the FAITH they have placed in the Saviour(belief) that saves. Not the baptism which follows. How many verses in the scripture tell us that """by FAITH ye are saved""". Not what we do. Not our works or deeds. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." Paul said so. Silas said so. What says Anthony?

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