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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 658499 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402061 Nov 13, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"cone against?"
Not sure what fundamentalist lingo this is, but it doesn't sound happy, caring, or even sharing in Jesus.
FYI - I understand perfectly what I write. Unfortunately, you don't.
<quoted text>
I'll never be born again through any of your beliefs, because I am already "born again" through the teachings of Jesus.
~~~
<quoted text>
And yet you think you are part of "Christianity" as a whole.
Do you even understand what you write?
~~~

I made the mistake of responding to your post.. I forgot that all you can do is insult and harangue and harass... like Preston Jr

.I should have ignored you...and from now on unless you write something that is edifying I intend to, IGNORE YOUR POST.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#402062 Nov 13, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>"Broad is the way that leads to destruction,and narrow is the way that leads to Eternal Life,and few there be that find it." I suggest you be not so quick to claim your broad religious claims will lead us all to Christ's eternal salvation.We have yet to see what the next pope will bring to your church.Pope Benedict is not a young spring chicken by any stretch. When one finds Christ hojo,they are not at a loss!
Yes PAD--"broad is the way" --in fact, your bible only Protestant, inconsistent, contradicting and conflicting 42,000+ denominations, are "so broad" that all of you have a "monopoly and a clear path to destruction".----Abortion , gay marriage, euthenasia, emboyonic stem cell research, gay ministers, and on and on and on,(every which way) depending and accepting, anything and everything (every which way)" that the political wind blows! I have found, worship, have accepted, and adhere to the TRUE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST--"each and every day" at daily Mass, the Eucharist, Gods Word, the Sacraments, etc. Unfortunately, for you PAD, you are as "mixed up, confused and distorted in your "anti-catholic judgmental opinion' as LTM, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG and any other bible only Protestant heretic, that I left out!!
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402063 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
No but there are times when God speaks to us.
When God's anointed INSPIRED... word is spoken forth
God is speaking, through that individual no matter whom he may be.
-->GOD'S WORD BREAKS THE YOKE...
Isa_10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and
---> the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing. <---
Well then, as I've told you several times, stick to pasting scripture verses and leave your personal opinions out of your posts. It has to be this way until you can show us that you have the authority to infallibly interpret them. Thank you.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#402064 Nov 13, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU, LTM, continue to prove, over and over and over again--that "you have NO IDEA, as to what you are talking about, which is no surprise to ANYONE, especially Catholics.--To begin, I read the bible (every day) and have read it through and through at least on 10 different occasions over a period of 35 years. You, my friend, are so "out of touch" with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, regarding the Christian belief, Salvation, and Our Lords TRUE doctrine of faith as well as the TRUE--spoken and stated words of Jesus Christ (HIMSELF) because of being so "inundated with your "bible only" anti-catholic, anti-church, anti-TRUE GOSPEL heretical teachings. I suggest that you refrain from undermine the TRUE GOSPEL and message of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, and make an effort to "get out of the anti-Church, anti- Catholic "bondage" that have infected your heart, mind and soul. As I said before, YOU are not the "final judge" of ANYONE (elses) Salvation, their personal relationship with Jesus Christ and who is a Christian and who is not!!
Sorry HoJo I have no time for someone who speaks against \Gods Holy Word, yet claims their church gave the world the Bible.
That is an oxymoron to say the least Hojo.
Pick up a Bible and start reading it for yourself HoJo don't be so lazy.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402066 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"]<quoted text>
So you and your husband speak for God?
**********
As long as any of us say what He says, we are speaking 'for' Him. We do not speak from our own opinion, and speak for Him.
Even Jesus said, "I say WHAT MY FATHER SAYS".
KayMarie
When you paste scripture verses, you are conveying His words. When you add your own personal opinions as to the meaning of His words you are doing nothing but sharing your opinions. Neither you nor your husband have any authority to speak infallibly.

Stick to pasting scripture and leave the interpretation to those who have authority. That's biblical.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402067 Nov 13, 2012
This Saturday, the Midwest Marxist Conference was held at Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism. The event was teeming with teachers who spoke about the new found bond between the radical socialists and their Teachers Union. The all-day event, which collected money to support Chicago Socialists and featured a communist bookstore, provided students on-campus along with the radical left community to plan the next phase in their activism.
Becca Barnes, a Chicago Teachers Union teacher and organizer with Chicago Socialists, proclaimed at the beginning of the conference that “the struggle here in the United States has entered a new phase. Nowhere have we pointed the way forward more clearly than here in Chicago with the teachers union strike.”
After the opening plenary, breakout sessions addressed more specific topics like the history of the Democratic party, education, and case studies in Russia. In these sessions, speakers continued to celebrate the use of education as a mechanism to insert Marxism into public institutions. In one session, the idea of targeting their message to students, even over “the working class,” was debated.
One teacher, who spoke in an afternoon session, described his tactics to overcome the problem of teachers’ unwillingness to take part in the strike, while Chicago Teachers Union Vice President Jesse Sharkey underscored Barnes’s earlier point when he spoke about the “struggle” of Chicago teachers and the need for additional support from other revolutionary movements. Through a renewed focus on the “strike weapon,” Socialist organizers remarked that they felt their movement had rediscovered its vigor—and the path forward ought to include “mass strikes,” they said.
Eric Ruder of the ISO spoke about the Socialists’ partnership with the Chicago Teachers Union during “The Meaning of Marxism” breakout session:
There are big moments in the sort of chain of historical development that we have to be able to intervene... And in order to that, you need an organization. That’s really the sort of thing you saw in the Chicago teachers strike. In a situation where there was a huge struggle, our organization threw itself in the middle of that and had a demonstrable impact on it.
Because we’ve been rooted, experienced activists who worked together in a collaborative way to try to build up that influence over the long haul… I think when you get in revolutionary moment where your ability to quickly assess what’s happening and make strategic and tactical shifts on the fly, that is essential.
Working class revolutions have never succeeded without the existence of a revolutionary party that’s capable of making those sorts of decisions and providing that kind of leadership. And that’s what we’re asking you, the members of this group, to join and help in that process. We need you to be able to have enough size and influence to matter, but you need us to be able to be part of a force that could intervene in that sort of chain in historical development.

continued

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402068 Nov 13, 2012
continued

Other speakers addressed perceived weaknesses in the Socialists’ messaging, including the need to shore up the high pay of union members and racism inherent at the AFL-CIO, which, according to participants, has been an historic problem. Others acknowledged that the general public “seems to fear us” and brainstormed ways to counter these fears.
The event itself, though advertised online as via social media, retained a sense of extreme secrecy. Attendees were told not to record video or audio unless they had express permission from organizers. Rather than traditional discussions in the breakout sessions, we were instructed to “raise your hand in a fist” in order to be first approved and then added by a moderator to a queue to speak. This orthodoxy resulted in extremely disjointed Q&A sessions where no one comment followed another and most questions went unanswered.
After attending the all-day event, which began at 11 a.m., I was singled out as “not in solidarity” by International Socialist Organization (ISO) organizer Dennis Kosuth around 4 p.m, and removed from the premises for “not being a Communist.”
Despite registering for the event, the group of socialists that removed me, including pre-school teacher Kirstin Roberts, social worker Alison McKenna, printer Eric Kerl, Socialist organizer Shaun Harkin, and others. They surrounded me at the edge of a staircase, proceeded to push their way closer to me to force me down the stairs, and hurled insults at me as I attempted to find a way to leave safely. Even after leaving the conference, the group continued to bully me, with one larger man saying under his breath that “you know what would happen at Teamsters meeting” inferring a more violent solution to my presence:
While it may or may not come as a surprise that a radical leftist conference was held on the grounds of an esteemed U.S. university, it is ironic that when a journalist shows up—at this “school of journalism,” no less—and they are summarily booted from just being at the conference. The mere presence of a journalist whom they could not trust to be “in solidarity” with communism was enough to send organizers into a frenzy to remove me immediately.
What were the ISO and Northwestern University so intent on hiding from journalists and the general public? Was it that Haymarket Books, a revolutionary bookstore, was allowed to open up shop on campus and sell revolutionary reading materials? Was it the number of teachers in the house, and t-shirts for sale, supporting the teachers union strike? Or that the ISO was able to charge a fee, fundraise and recruit new members to their revolutionary cause on the Northwestern grounds, using an entire lecture hall and several classrooms?
Perhaps it was all of the above, in addition to the fact that, together with leaders of the Chicago Teachers Union, Occupy Chicago and several other labor unions, these groups discussed how to achieve fundamental societal change. Change that included “historical development,” and the strategies required to overthrow the American system and replace it with a direct dictatorship of the working class over the means of production. Not the best message to send to Northwestern alums and prospective students.
The International Socialists Organizations recruitment program isn’t over after Saturday’s conference at Northwestern University. Next week, the University of Wisconsin Madison will open its doors to the group to indoctrinate another crop of students ripe for the message of revolution.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402069 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
BTW, I've tried to get some others to explain what belief means to them. Can you tell me what it means to you? Is loving Jesus part of your believing in Him?
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Belief in Jesus is absolute trust/confidence that HE provides forgiveness for our sins, and eternal life. One might say that 'believe' is a contraction of "being alive" in Jesus. He quickens (makes alive) our mortal body, and will, at His appearing, change these mortal (of death) bodies to immortal (undying) bodies like His own.
The instant that I yielded to that faith, I was awakened to become a new creature (II Cor. 5:17) in Him. Instantly I not only understood the commandments, I had a love for them and a desire to please Him. I've come to realize that HE IS TRUTH, and I have confidence (faith) in all that He says.
KayMarie
That's nice. Does loving Jesus not include obeying Him? What if your faith tradition is wrong about those things which Jesus commanded us to do?
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402070 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
"CC's infer that we are un-Christian because we respect the Bible...thus declaring their dis-respect of it."
If you were to observe the Liturgy of the Word in a Catholic mass you would realize how wrong you are.
**********
Again, read the posts on this forum. That is where I am seeing Protestants scolded repeatedly for their faith in the Bible.
KayMarie
No Catholic has ever inferred that you are un-Christion because you respect the bible. We respect it too. If you were to observe the Liturgy of the Word in our mass you would agree that we have a tremendous respect for the bible, so much so that we won't claim the personal authority to infallibly interpret it.

In my opinion, prostestants who claim to speak for God when they personally interpret bible verses are showing a disrespect for the bible AND God Himself.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402071 Nov 13, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Well then, as I've told you several times, stick to pasting scripture verses and leave your personal opinions out of your posts. It has to be this way until you can show us that you have the authority to infallibly interpret them. Thank you.
~~~

Evidently..

You would just love to control and censor what I post..But as an Ordained Bishop duly recognized by my Church.
I will continue to exercise my freedom and authority to preach teach a publish and defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ...

I am here to confront with the word of God...If it cramps your style ..so be it.

I am not here for popularity...

My charge is

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402072 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
Agreed. As Jesus said, we'll do them if we love Him. What if two saved people disagree on what those commandments are?
**********
Then BOTH of them must live according to what they believe to be the Truth. God not only knows their hearts, He is able to bring them to the knowledge of the Truth.
"Let every man work out his own salvation in fear and trembling before God." God, who knows the heart/intent of every man will deal honestly with them.
KayMarie
There is only truth, there are not competing versions of it. If one says baptism is necessary for salvation and the other says no, one of them is in trouble.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402073 Nov 13, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
Same old spin.
Bottom line... Jesus did not suffer and die, only to have his deed cheapened by disgraceful acts by His sole appointed authority on earth. That would be foolish and arbitrary.
That also CLEARLY demonstrates a lack of divine guidance.
I do not think the highest power in the universe is foolish and arbitrary.
You do.
So which of us has more respect for the highest power in the universe?
It may be seen as spin by you, but even the apostles who were taught directly by Christ were sinners. You might have a point if the Catholic Church didn't teach that sinning is wrong.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402074 Nov 13, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
As I said, you will never get beyond your simplistic 'skin color' thing, no matter what I say.
I guess in your mind, that explains the Asian-American vote too.
Deep.
Funny you bring up GWB. Leading up to the election, I didn't hear his name mentioned once by any Republican. That didn't occur to me until now.
Maybe it's the minority thing. I think if it was two white guys running the result would have been different.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#402075 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Evidently..
You would just love to control and censor what I post..But as an Ordained Bishop duly recognized by my Church.
I will continue to exercise my freedom and authority to preach teach a publish and defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ...
I am here to confront with the word of God...If it cramps your style ..so be it.
I am not here for popularity...
My charge is
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
You may be recognized as an authority within your faith community, but why do you insist I recognize your authority when I'm not part of it and you reject the authority in my Church?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402076 Nov 13, 2012
who="hojo"
Yes PAD--"broad is the way" --in fact, your bible only Protestant, inconsistent, contradicting and conflicting 42,000+ denominations, are "so broad" that all of you have a "monopoly and a clear path to destruction".----Abortion , gay marriage, euthenasia, emboyonic stem cell research, gay ministers, and on and on and on,(every which way) depending and accepting, anything and everything (every which way)" that the political wind blows! I have found, worship, have accepted, and adhere to the TRUE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST--"each and every day" at daily Mass, the Eucharist, Gods Word, the Sacraments, etc. Unfortunately, for you PAD, you are as "mixed up, confused and distorted in your "anti-catholic judgmental opinion' as LTM, Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG and any other bible only Protestant heretic, that I left out!!

**********

You need to be educated. No RESPECTABLE Protestant organization approves abortion, homosexual 'marriage'(there is no such thing), euthanasia, etc. A few proud 'clubs' calling themselves 'churches' are guilty.

But then, I'm told that U.S. Catholic nuns are also standing up for 'women's rights'.

If we, as Christians, cannot/will not unite in faith, we are in for trouble. "If you have not love, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN YOU."

Our cry must be GOD FIRST, OTHERS SECOND...and 'opinions' must bow to that unity.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402077 Nov 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
There is only truth, there are not competing versions of it. If one says baptism is necessary for salvation and the other says no, one of them is in trouble.

**********

I did not say that God would forgive the person who had it 'wrong'. I said that if both were honestly searching for the truth, God is able to make their search fruitful. Sometimes it takes time (I'm still learning.) And patience on the part of the one who has the truth is helpful. "He that WINNETH souls is wise."

Too many people are driving people away, rather than winning them.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402078 Nov 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
No Catholic has ever inferred that you are un-Christion because you respect the bible. We respect it too. If you were to observe the Liturgy of the Word in our mass you would agree that we have a tremendous respect for the bible, so much so that we won't claim the personal authority to infallibly interpret it.
In my opinion, prostestants who claim to speak for God when they personally interpret bible verses are showing a disrespect for the bible AND God Himself.

**********

I don't like generalities. Tell me some of these personal interpretations that you are talking about.

We don't claim personal authority to interpret the Word. We have a TEACHER Who understands it well. Some people get ahead of Him...but that is their problem, not mine.

KayMarie

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402079 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
"Houston, we have a problem."
Why did "God" allow Led Zeppelin to write "Stairway To Heaven", when knowing that when the song is played backwards, it seems to promote Satan and otehr evil ways?
Did "God" miss this one, and for the past 30 years, just decided to let it go and not try to stop it from occuring?
Why don't you think "God" is not creditted for this song either?
Your logic is skewed. You lack knowledge to differentiate what exactly what "God" can or cannot do.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
(3) Jesus says:
(1) "If those who lead you say to you:‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you:‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."
Why don't you believe Jesus?
**********
God is in the process of perfecting man AND destroying evil. He COULD destroy all evil with just a word. But 'there is none good'; there is some evil in everything/man. If He instantly destroys evil, it would leave no man standing. Besides...we are tested through such evils as you mention. Will we feed on His Word, and be perfected, or will we feed on evil...showing that we are unworthy of Him?
Why don't YOU believe Jesus???
KayMarie
"God is in the process of perfecting man AND destroying evil. "
- WOW!! Is "He" having a hard time after 2000+ years?
- and of course, this is your opinion, and not fact, so I understand you don't have any citations to support your position, huh?
- Just in case, please provide a citation that shows this process in effect.

"He COULD destroy all evil with just a word."
- WOW!! Another person who knows the mind of "God", when we all know that "all men fall short of God".
- please provide a citation that shows this process can happen.
+ your stance will be "well, He could!", huh?
+ why do you mislead people with false claims?

"But 'there is none good'; there is some evil in everything/man. "
- including yourself. You have a small perception of the world around you.
- Not everyone has "evil" in them. "Some" is characteristic of many, but uncharacteristic of many as well. Care to be specific on what this evil is you claim to know exists within people?

"If He instantly destroys evil, it would leave no man standing."
- always thinking of ways to destroy humanity.
- do you ever think of positive attributes like peace and love, or is it that you want everyone, including yourself, dead?

"Besides...we are tested through such evils as you mention."
- and what evils have I listed. Please be specific, so I can elaborate my context. Thanks!

"Will we feed on His Word, and be perfected, or will we feed on evil...showing that we are unworthy of Him?"
- if you have to pose it in a question, you have much studying to do.
- First off, move past the words and understand the meanings behind them.
- If more people like you, didn't always think that some "evil" being is ready to pounce on anyone, our world would be a much better place.
- Huh, maybe we should just get rid of you? One less person to promote evil, is one less person more thank likely would destroy other lives.

"Why don't YOU believe Jesus???"
- Oh I do. Much more of his teachings than you.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402080 Nov 13, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU, LTM, continue to prove, over and over and over again--that "you have NO IDEA, as to what you are talking about, which is no surprise to ANYONE, especially Catholics.--To begin, I read the bible (every day) and have read it through and through at least on 10 different occasions over a period of 35 years. You, my friend, are so "out of touch" with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, regarding the Christian belief, Salvation, and Our Lords TRUE doctrine of faith as well as the TRUE--spoken and stated words of Jesus Christ (HIMSELF) because of being so "inundated with your "bible only" anti-catholic, anti-church, anti-TRUE GOSPEL heretical teachings. I suggest that you refrain from undermine the TRUE GOSPEL and message of Jesus Christ HIMSELF, and make an effort to "get out of the anti-Church, anti- Catholic "bondage" that have infected your heart, mind and soul. As I said before, YOU are not the "final judge" of ANYONE (elses) Salvation, their personal relationship with Jesus Christ and who is a Christian and who is not!!
Have you ever said anything nice about the people you post to?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402081 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I made the mistake of responding to your post.. I forgot that all you can do is insult and harangue and harass... like Preston Jr
.I should have ignored you...and from now on unless you write something that is edifying I intend to, IGNORE YOUR POST.
Is that the power of "God" or you your Self?

BTW - I make direct points that show how you do not follow Jesus, and his words of salvation.

Hey, I'm just a messenger.

Maybe you should talk with your husband and try to reconcile these differences openly, instead of keeping them hidden away within?

Thanks for responding!

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