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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 673009 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#402024 Nov 13, 2012
marge wrote:
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really?
Even Jesus says this and you don't believe it?
"For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights."
Jesus plainly says Jonah was in the fish,...
Then you don't believe Jesus was in he heart of the earth?
Greetings marge good friend

You write "For as Jonah was in the belly...."

The word, "was" is an imperfect past tense verb, which simply means that of a past action. It does not mean or imply, or establish Jonah actually in the belly...

It relates
Clay

Denver, CO

#402025 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
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No but there are times when God speaks to us.
When God's anointed INSPIRED... word is spoken forth
God is speaking, through that individual no matter whom he may be.
-->GOD'S WORD BREAKS THE YOKE...
Isa_10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and
---> the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing. <---
When Gods inspired word is read- but interpreted differently then what He wishes- what good is it?

So the question remains: which one of you are interpreting it the way God wishes.
Personally, I don't want to be the one responsible for interpreting it opposite of what God wants, so I'm sticking with the interpretations of the Church that put the book together and the teachings of the Apostolic fathers, because I don't believe the Apostles would have left their writings to be a hidden secret. I believe they explained them to the men they ordained.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402026 Nov 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"]<quoted text>
So you and your husband speak for God?

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As long as any of us say what He says, we are speaking 'for' Him. We do not speak from our own opinion, and speak for Him.

Even Jesus said, "I say WHAT MY FATHER SAYS".

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402027 Nov 13, 2012
who="Fr Robert Dye"
No, what I thought was outrageous was the statement that we worship saints, even when we deny that this is so.
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I doubt that you actually worship the scriptures as an idol, although I have no doubt that there are some who call themselves Christian who *do* apprach the Bible very much the way pagans relate to an idol.
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If you tell me that you do NOT worship the Bible, it is outrageous for me to claim otherwise.
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YOU are the only one who can say what your relationship whith God is(Well, yes, God can, too, and one day will, but you knowwhat I mean).
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By the same token, if the CC proclaims that saints are NOT to be worshipped, but only God is to be worshipped, it is outrageous for you to claim the exact opposite.
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It is dishonest.
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Which is surprising coming from you, KayMarie. That is not the sort of thing I have come to expect from you.
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We may disagree theologically, but my impression what that you could be relied upon to be honest and logical.
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Your "yes you do. You say you don't, but you do" was illogical, or dishonest, or both, and left me very disappointed with you.
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I hope and pray you don't worship the scriptures. It is my firm belief that the "mark" made so much of in the Revelation is really speaking figuratively of idolatry. Anyone who worships idols, either literally or figuratively, will have "the mark."
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And I don't think anyone with "great respect" for the scriptures worships them. Respect and love for the scriptures is greatly admirable.
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That respect and love is HOLY.
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It is SACRED.
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Rob

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Sorry you were disappointed. I have no desire to insult or offend anyone. I speak only what I hear; in fact, if you will go back and read the posts on Topix, you will see that they insist that prayers to the dead saints are given great respect, and are expected to facilitate answers. I greatly respect my ancestors and friends who have died, but, "There is ONE name given under heaven whereby a man might be saved." And, "There is ONE mediator between God and man...that man Christ Jesus".

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402028 Nov 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
BTW, I've tried to get some others to explain what belief means to them. Can you tell me what it means to you? Is loving Jesus part of your believing in Him?

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Belief in Jesus is absolute trust/confidence that HE provides forgiveness for our sins, and eternal life. One might say that 'believe' is a contraction of "being alive" in Jesus. He quickens (makes alive) our mortal body, and will, at His appearing, change these mortal (of death) bodies to immortal (undying) bodies like His own.

The instant that I yielded to that faith, I was awakened to become a new creature (II Cor. 5:17) in Him. Instantly I not only understood the commandments, I had a love for them and a desire to please Him. I've come to realize that HE IS TRUTH, and I have confidence (faith) in all that He says.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402029 Nov 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
"CC's infer that we are un-Christian because we respect the Bible...thus declaring their dis-respect of it."
If you were to observe the Liturgy of the Word in a Catholic mass you would realize how wrong you are.

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Again, read the posts on this forum. That is where I am seeing Protestants scolded repeatedly for their faith in the Bible.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402030 Nov 13, 2012
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
No, it isn't - my house is.
Maybe you aren't speaking in materialistic value, then okay, I still disagree.
My Spirit is the most "valued" thing I own.

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The spirit of man is the breath of God, breathed into Adam, and 'relayed' from then to now...where we get the term 'relationship'. That spirit is not yours, it is still God's breath.

Your soul (the 'person' that sets you apart from others) is the most precious thing you own. Jesus says that a man's soul is worth more than the whole world; if you owned the whole world, you could not afford to purchase your soul. That is why He alone can do that, and that is why nothing in this world is worth dying for.

KayMarie

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#402031 Nov 13, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Thank you! I can't believe that you took out time from all your other socks, just to reply to me!
all you can say to this is something about a silly game that goes on between some? what about the critical message you've been given???

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402032 Nov 13, 2012
who="Anthony MN"
Agreed. As Jesus said, we'll do them if we love Him. What if two saved people disagree on what those commandments are?

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Then BOTH of them must live according to what they believe to be the Truth. God not only knows their hearts, He is able to bring them to the knowledge of the Truth.

"Let every man work out his own salvation in fear and trembling before God." God, who knows the heart/intent of every man will deal honestly with them.

KayMarie

Since: Dec 06

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#402033 Nov 13, 2012
OldJG wrote:
ANYONE......THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS
PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE give an answer. ANYONE!
Can someone explain how a person can lose their salvation? Please provide a Biblical account and the specific name or names of those who lost the salvation they truly received.
The Bible tells us what we must do to be saved:
Acts 16:30-31, "And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."
The Bible is crystal clear when it describes what we must do to be saved. Knowing exactly what is required to be saved, wouldn't the Bible provide the same clarity by describing how the saved can be unsaved?
Where does the Bible tell us what we must do to be UNsaved?
OldJG

I need to know some things, about your awareness and understanding:

What is being saved mean?
What is salvation?
Are they the same?

Is this a once and for all act, or is this a process, or both?

Blashemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgiveable sin. But the wages of sin is death. How can one be alive and living in Christ, if they commit an unforgiveable sin when one is judged to be dead?
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#402034 Nov 13, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
When Gods inspired word is read- but interpreted differently then what He wishes- what good is it?
So the question remains: which one of you are interpreting it the way God wishes.
Personally, I don't want to be the one responsible for interpreting it opposite of what God wants, so I'm sticking with the interpretations of the Church that put the book together and the teachings of the Apostolic fathers, because I don't believe the Apostles would have left their writings to be a hidden secret. I believe they explained them to the men they ordained.
How do you know that your church fathers told you the truth.
All tough I am not a big fan of Luther, he was a catholic and dicide the church fathers were in error.
And many catholic's after him decided Luther was right.
Why is that I wonder;;;; could it be that almighty God put the truth in their hearts and lead them to understanding it through the Holy Spirit of Truth.
There is no salvation in the catholic church or the protestant churchs salvations comes from God Himself.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402035 Nov 13, 2012
MAMA'S BIBLE

Four brothers left home for college, and they became successful doctors
and lawyers.

One evening, they chatted after having dinner together. They
discussed the 95th birthday gifts they were able to give their elderly mother who moved
to Florida .

The first said, "You know I had a big house built for Mama."

The second said, "And I had a large theater built in the house."

The third said, "And I had my Mercedes dealer deliver an SL600 to her."

The fourth said, "You know how Mama loved reading the Bible and you know
she can't read anymore because she can't see very well. I met this
preacher who told me about a parrot who could recite the entire Bible. It took
ten preachers almost 8 years to teach him. I had to pledge to contribute
$50,000 a year for five years to the church, but it was worth it
Mama only has to name the chapter and verse, and the parrot will recite it."

The other brothers were impressed. After the celebration Mama sent out
her "Thank You" notes.

She wrote: Milton , the house you built is so huge that I live in only one
room, but I have to clean the whole house. Thanks anyway."

"Marvin, I am too old to travel. I stay home; I have my groceries
delivered, so I never use the Mercedes. The thought was good. Thanks."

"Michael, you gave me an expensive theater with Dolby sound and it can
hold 50 people, but all of my friends are dead, I've lost my hearing,
and I'm nearly blind. I'll never use it. Thank you for the gesture just the
same."

"Dearest Melvin, you were the only son to have the good sense to give
a little thought to your gift. The chicken was delicious Thank you so much."

Love, Mama

SELECTED

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402036 Nov 13, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
NASL
You write, " Are they really true to their belief or would rather sit in the pews and enjoy what other people tell them who they are."
I am not dismissing your questioning of others in their beliefs. You are in effect revealing hypocricy. But you leave the answer only to one of two options. Also the question itself is complex/compound, so it cannot be answered.
So I will take the first part of the question....,
The question of "Are they really true to their belief...?"
Being true to one's beliefs requires an intellectual act, and truth. The belief must pass three criteria, one of objectivity, one of intention, and one of circumstances. This makes the belief a moral law. The problem is that in general people often have limited time in which to probe all three of these criteria. And the conflict between law and freedom is often not developed enough in an individual that they may not be able to express their answer into words.
Here is where the hypocricy of Gnosticism is revealed, since it is known to break the moral Law of the 10 Commandments.(6 of which I have named so far.) Therefore, its belief system is not true. And those who practice it are hypocrits.
It is because we have free will that we tend to act as servants to some law. In the case here of intellect and truth, the moral law dictates what is good and bad. And so the conclusion is that Gnosticism is bad, since it breaks moral law....
Q. E. D.
Uhm - sure. We'll agree to disagree, as IMO, Gnosticism doesn't do any of the things you think it does.

You will provide citations for this, correct?

Or like all other points that I've made, you'll just brush off the support as you have done in the past, huh?

Please show me where "God" has listed Gnosticism as "heresy", "breaks moral law", or any other unfounded act.

Why don't you believe Jesus?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402037 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
No but there are times when God speaks to us.
When God's anointed INSPIRED... word is spoken forth
God is speaking, through that individual no matter whom he may be.
-->GOD'S WORD BREAKS THE YOKE...
Isa_10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and
---> the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing. <---
"When God's anointed INSPIRED... word is spoken forth
God is speaking, through that individual no matter whom he may be."

Who are these "annoited INSPIRED"?

Based upon your belief, "God" only inspired the writers of the Bible and those bishops in Nicea circa 325 CE.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#402038 Nov 13, 2012
If God through Grace gave us the gift of salvation, and He inspired man to write the Holy Spirits, It only stands to reason that God wanted His children to understand His written word.
That teaches us the word's of salvation through His son Jesus Christ.
To walk around ignorant of Gods Holy Word is not only neglectful on the part of many christians it is right down laziness, and sinful.
Your church fathers lied to you when they told you , you can't understand God's word because God says you can, He also said he would teach us.
If God can inspire mere men to write it God can inspire mere men to read and understand His word.
Without God man can do nothing, with God all things are possible.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402039 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
No, it isn't - my house is.
Maybe you aren't speaking in materialistic value, then okay, I still disagree.
My Spirit is the most "valued" thing I own.
**********
The spirit of man is the breath of God, breathed into Adam, and 'relayed' from then to now...where we get the term 'relationship'. That spirit is not yours, it is still God's breath.
Your soul (the 'person' that sets you apart from others) is the most precious thing you own. Jesus says that a man's soul is worth more than the whole world; if you owned the whole world, you could not afford to purchase your soul. That is why He alone can do that, and that is why nothing in this world is worth dying for.
KayMarie
So you are now changing it up, to say...."the soul is the most precious"....."is worth more than the world."

Trash the Bible....it isn't needed anymore, once you have come to conclude this.

This is the confusion that Christainity conveys to its followers.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402040 Nov 13, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
No, it isn't - my house is.
Maybe you aren't speaking in materialistic value, then okay, I still disagree.
My Spirit is the most "valued" thing I own.
**********
The spirit of man is the breath of God, breathed into Adam, and 'relayed' from then to now...where we get the term 'relationship'. That spirit is not yours, it is still God's breath.
Your soul (the 'person' that sets you apart from others) is the most precious thing you own. Jesus says that a man's soul is worth more than the whole world; if you owned the whole world, you could not afford to purchase your soul. That is why He alone can do that, and that is why nothing in this world is worth dying for.
KayMarie
BTW - it is mine and "God's".

That makes me "like God".

Self.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#402041 Nov 13, 2012
LTM wrote:
If God through Grace gave us the gift of salvation, and He inspired man to write the Holy Spirits, It only stands to reason that God wanted His children to understand His written word.
That teaches us the word's of salvation through His son Jesus Christ.
To walk around ignorant of Gods Holy Word is not only neglectful on the part of many christians it is right down laziness, and sinful.
Your church fathers lied to you when they told you , you can't understand God's word because God says you can, He also said he would teach us.
If God can inspire mere men to write it God can inspire mere men to read and understand His word.
Without God man can do nothing, with God all things are possible.
~~~

Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Eph 3:20 ---> Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think,

according to the power that worketh in us, <---

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#402042 Nov 13, 2012
LTM wrote:
If God through Grace gave us the gift of salvation, and He inspired man to write the Holy Spirits, It only stands to reason that God wanted His children to understand His written word.
That teaches us the word's of salvation through His son Jesus Christ.
To walk around ignorant of Gods Holy Word is not only neglectful on the part of many christians it is right down laziness, and sinful.
Your church fathers lied to you when they told you , you can't understand God's word because God says you can, He also said he would teach us.
If God can inspire mere men to write it God can inspire mere men to read and understand His word.
Without God man can do nothing, with God all things are possible.
Why does "God" require man to get "His" word to each person?

Why did "God" only appoint Middle Eastern people to promote "His" word, when during this time, the Americas and those people, had other beliefs going on at the same time, with very similar characteristics in their "saviors" [Quetzalcoatl]?

"If God can inspire mere men to write it God can inspire mere men to read and understand His word."
- so you don't limit "God's inspiration" to just a handful of men - or do you?

"Without God man can do nothing, with God all things are possible."
- Wrong again, unless you live under a rock and know nothing of the world today.
- Men have done plenty without "God".....namely travelling to other planets, computer technology, and lots of other things. I even think baseball and football was created by men, without the help of "God".

Are you really this secluded from society - or do you just put on this act for others?

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#402043 Nov 13, 2012
Does it take sole credit for all the idols as well? The holy 10 say thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images. Have they been wholly ignorant of that one commandment? If so ... God says He winks at their ignorance, so repent and bring down those graven images.

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