Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

United States

#401565 Nov 11, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>yeah I am not supporting the RCC only helping expose it.
Expose them? Lol. There is nothing to expose. Catholics don't have a secret hidden faith. Anything you want to know is available anytime. One Priest will have the same interpretations as another down the street. One faith, one shepherd, on fold.
You guys are a different story. Is impossible to know where you all stand. In fact, your interpretations change from generation to generation.
marge

Ames, IA

#401566 Nov 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it necessary to obey Jesus in order to be saved? Or do we, like 4gvn says, need only to simply believe in Him?
Salvation is a gift Anthony, until you recieve Him by faith, i guess you'll never understand this.

He loved us first!

1 John 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

You need to simply believe the above.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#401567 Nov 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes you think God supports secularist societies?
Nothing.

What does that have to do with your faith's absurd one-true claim?

Perfect teachings in faith and morals has resulted in what kind of human societies in 2012?

The one-true claim is all bun, no beef. Sorry.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#401568 Nov 11, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Read what I responded to. That is what I was getting at they did not support the RCC agenda and voted for Obama. DUH
Oops.
marge

Ames, IA

#401569 Nov 11, 2012
Romans 5:8

"But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

But God commendeth ...- God has exhibited or showed his love in this unusual and remarkable manner.

His love - His kind feeling; his beneficence; his willingness to submit to sacrifice to do good to others.

While we were yet sinners - And of course his enemies. In this, his love surpasses all that has ever been manifested among people.

Christ died for us - In our stead; to save us from death. He took our place; and by dying himself on the cross, saved us from dying eternally in hell.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#401570 Nov 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. In your opinion they didn't vote for him because of his skin color. Do they want to emulate the black culture? Did they vote for him because he increased food stamps by 75%? Did they vote for him because of his radical pro-abortion views? Please explain to me why they did not vote for Romney except for his immigration policies.
Until recently, the Latino community I know in Florida was strongly Republican.

Now suddenly its food stamps and skin color.

How can I explain anything to such an unbiased, deep thinker! You've got it pegged :o)

Since: Nov 08

usa

#401571 Nov 11, 2012
they got a hell of a nerve butting into gay marriage.sex/marriage between two consenting adults is wrong,but sex with an undrage non-consenting child is ok how hypocritical,VATICAN CITY (Reuters)- The Vatican, reacting to strong gains for gay marriage in the United States and Europe, on Saturday pledged never to stop fighting attempts to "erase" the privileged role of heterosexual marriage, which it called it "an achievement of civilization".

For the second consecutive day, Vatican media weighed in with forceful editorials restating the Roman Catholic Church's unequivocal opposition.It is clear that in Western countries there is a widespread tendency to modify the classic vision of marriage between a man and woman, or rather to try to give it up, erasing its specific and privileged legal recognition compared to other forms of union," Father Federico Lombardi, said in a tough editorial on Vatican Radio.

Voters in the U.S. states of Maryland, Maine and Washington state approved same-sex marriage on Tuesday, marking the first time marriage rights have been extended to same-sex couples by popular vote.

Same-sex unions have been legalized in six states and the District of Columbia by lawmakers or courts.

Lombardi's editorial on Vatican Radio, which is broadcast around the world in some 30 languages, called the votes myopic, saying "the logic of it cannot have a far-sighted outlook for the common good".

Lombardi, who is also the Vatican's chief spokesman as well as director of Vatican Radio and Vatican Television, said there was "public acknowledgement" that "monogamous marriage between a man and woman is an achievement of civilization".

Since: Nov 08

usa

#401572 Nov 11, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course God cares, but only HE is the one that can deal with "bible only heretics" on this forum who live in their personal "bondage" of hardened hearts, minds and souls that have chosen to live "shackled in" "hatred, hostility, vengeance, and condemnation toward the faith and salvation of other Christians--especially Catholics.
how is he going to deal with heretical unholy pagan/christians who changed his commandments without authority? how is going to deal with the pagan/christians that killed thousands in his name?again without his authority? christian/pagans who killed because people would not follow the teachings of the un-holy un-godly perverted pagan/christian/catholic church? which tries to decieve people into believing it's his true church,when church history clearly demonstrates the opposite.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#401573 Nov 11, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
hojo, quick question. I've heard this statement many times before, and wonder why people believe only the RCC contains the "fullness of truth?" Is is because the old relic in the Vatican says so? That doesn't make it true.
Sherylane---start with the Reformation. EVERY REFORMER, "threw out" ("one thing after another" doctrine of faith teaching--both biblical and traditional that had been taught, professed and proclaimed for over 1500 years since Jesus Christs One True Church first began at Antioch (Acts 2)....... Luther began (it all) by "rejecting" 7 of the original 73 books of the bible and 4 of the original Sacraments....Then Zwigli "rejected" the "True body and True Blood of Christ, in the Eucharist (John 6:47-59, then Hus,'rejected something else" and other reformers (deciding on their own)----(each rejecting something else, until there are NOW) over 42,000 bible only Protestant religious beliefs,(each with their own (cntradicting, inconsistent, conflicting) "personal opinionated Protestant beliefs of the bible.... This is why the Catholic Church is the "only" True Church" that has, is and continues to teach,possess and embrace the FULLNESS OF THE FAITH, the FULLNESS OF THE TRUTH, and the OVERABUNDING COMPLETENESS of GODS GRACE..... JETHRO:DON'T LISTEN TO HIM Sherlayne,HE IS LYING TO YOU,THE CHURCH OF ANTIOCH IS A CHRISTIAN CHURCH TAKEN PRISONER BY THE PAGAN/CHRISTIAN CHURCH, WITH THE HELP OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE,read the history yourself.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#401574 Nov 11, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
How do I say this..... Although I would agree that Prestons tone is a little harsh sometimes. And
I disagree with some of his biblical interpretations....I understand his frustrations with you guys.
You see, I believe Preston is a Protestant Christian. The rest of y'all are ideological radical cultlike Christians who take scripture to a level unseen before. Your hatred supersedes any attempt at truth. You'd rather lie about biblical interpretations in order to put the Catholic Church in a bad lite. To a sola scripture Christian like Preston, its gotta be annoying dealing with cherry picking bible believers, who ALSO claim sola scripture.
The biggest frustration non-Catholic Christians have with the RCC is that the Bible has been made subservievt to the Church.If Clay, the Word of God endures forever,than the truth is we are subservient to the Word not vice-versa.Luther when he was on that trial in the Diet of Worms,spoke that his conscience remained to be subject to the Word of God,not that the church should dictate to him how and what he should believe both in the Word and through their tradition.

The corruption of the indulgences was the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to the domination and tyranny of the Church of Rome over the whole of Europe. You see there was already a growing disgust in the hearts and minds of many powerful people,doctors of the church and so on who knew the Papacy was leading the people into a hellish pit.But God put within a n imperfect man such as Luther the gumption and fortitude to stand for the conscience of truth in the Word,over practices that downgraded the Holy gospel of Christ,and dragged His Cross even further into the abyss of human deception.

There is no salvation outside of the Blood of Jesus,crucified for us,and that message of truth was totally distorted in the corruption of the Papacy for centuries.Just because people are uneducated or cannot read,they can throught the Holy Spirit understand the truth of the Bible if it is preached correctly to them.TheRCC as an institution was dealt a death blow,not by Luther,or Calvin or Zwingle,but it was dealt a death blow by God Himself.

You cannot mess with the things of God and get a w a y with it for too long.Sooner or later,God catches up with deceivers.

What you see today as a strong reliance on the Word of God,is not something new under the SUN,but that which was a challenge to the might of the Roman Church for centuries,The BIBLE is His final confirmation of His truth while we are on this temporal plain on Earth.Naturally the Bible is not completely all that God has for the whole human race,but it is His blueprint of what is Complete in Heaven."On earth as it is in heaven,"

Since the Bible is spiritually discerned,it has a 3 dimensional as pect to it.That which cannot be seen with the naked eye,or perceived by just reading the Word randomly.For the Catholics today to claim that any believer is sola scriptura to his or her detriment tis to undermine the Word of God,and to place it in subject to Human will,rather from the Will of God.
Free Mind

Pinellas Park, FL

#401575 Nov 11, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Who says this must make common sense?
o)
No one. Faith does not need to make sense .... unless one claims their faith is the only one true faith .... in which case doubters are invited to say "where the beef?"

Thus a faith invites accountability and opens itself up to real-world evidence and common sense.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#401576 Nov 11, 2012
4GVN wrote:
I admit to being a bit baffled about the election I just don't understand why so many people voted for Obama. Does any one (except Preston) have an opinion?
As much as what can be revealed in a society banked on coverup,and deception,the fraudulant attempts to vote whoever into the presidency,are slowly being revealed.Nevertheless,we have a president and he is ONE for the books.Romney has never had one minute to prove that his way would have been the better,by being president,so we can only speculate how he would have faired.We are stuck with this man,who more than likely is a pro at dodging truth,to get what he wants done.The Constitution is not going to be his way,as he elected CZARS in his first years,to work away from contitutional mandates.

We are going to see in this first year of his re-election such things as what we as a people of this "UNITED"States have never seen before,so get ready.Some of us will be on the front row seat to experience such things.

The trip to Myanmar is questionable to say the least,I wonder what group of people he is meeting with in that country which has been a rogue state for years?

Was not the Fiscal Cliff important enough to remain here and deal with it?

What about the East Coast,is it really enough to leave those states in the hands of just the particular state government in charge,when they needed the whole of America to come to its aid? Sandy is mega big compared to katrina,and the whole nation needed to come to its rescue.The president is also expected to stay in this country to support efforts to eleviate the disastrous results of Hurricane Sandy,and snow storm Athena.

In other words folks,Obama had no reason to leave this country for an obscure country such as Myanmar,while his own coutnry has suffered a storm the most destructive in American history.

Obama's lack of leadership in the Libyan crisis has yet to be completely opened up to us.now Patreaus steps down from the CIA.As if his scandal was not known years ago,by the upper crust.His actions are no different from President Clinton who sought the pleasure of women outside of his marriage with Hilliary,both while a governor of Arkansas,and the President.

President Kennedy was having sex in the White House,when he was able to get Jackie and the kids off to Maine.It is known that Marilyn Monroe was his most spectacular fling.It took J Edgar Hoover to threaten J.F. Kennedy through a tough meeting with Bobby K,concerning rendevous with Frank Sinatra,and organized crime.(Sam Giancana).

Petreaus' affair outside his marriage is not a good affair,and he whould eventually put the country's interest ahead of his own,but his timing here with the President is more than shady,another move toward cover up,and lies.

Lies and deception are going to be the legacy of this Administration,but will any of us here live to see them exposed?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#401577 Nov 11, 2012
Free Mind wrote:
<quoted text>
No one. Faith does not need to make sense .... unless one claims their faith is the only one true faith .... in which case doubters are invited to say "where the beef?"
Thus a faith invites accountability and opens itself up to real-world evidence and common sense.
Yes true Free Mind,and faith has been on trial in this world ever since it was given first hand to Abraham,father of Judeo-Christianity.Of course the Muslims claim also he is their father,and due to the fact that the Qu'ran has many verses taken from the Old Covenant,and the Arabs are the sons and daughters of Ishmael, they are descendants of Abraham as well.

So I with some reluctance include them(Muslims) in the Abrahamic family as it were.Some of course say that Judaism,Christianity and Islam are the only three Monotheistic religions under Abraham.

Faith is motivation of action in the unseen,because there has to be action,so that results can be proved for the existance and reality of G o d.

All three of the mono-theistic religions make many claims of G o d working in their behalf with answers to prayers,and sign and wonders,including miracles,giving testimony to the power and mercy of the Living God.

It is beyond the voice of one who would try to silence the millions of testimonies toward an Awesome God who is involved with the human race.Atheists,and enemies of religion altogether have tried for decades,and centuries to put the kabosh on religious fervor,but it has failed,and still to this day people testify with great zeal, their encounters with God.

God is no respecter of persons,and He desires to meet with His creation,as any man or woman longs to share with their own children,and with relatives,also friends.Faith is alive and well,even if there are drastic measures to eradicate religion,God will always inspire men,women and children to carry on testifying of His love(all compassion),and moves in their lives.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#401578 Nov 11, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Jealous???? of your Protestant "bible only" (contradicting, conflicting and inconsistent) half-truth, half-heresy Christianity??????? Hardly the case!!!! YOU CAN HAVE IT!!! IT IS ALL YOURS!!! God is "not the author" of your Protestant "confusion and chaos"!
Highly interesting, hoho!!
Just the other day you claimed you were done commenting, debating, arguing, etc--- yet just today, here you are flapping your gums off again.
You simply CANNOT tell the truth, can you?
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#401579 Nov 11, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The biggest frustration non-Catholic Christians have with the RCC is that the Bible has been made subservievt to the Church.If Clay, the Word of God endures forever,than the truth is we are subservient to the Word not vice-versa.Luther when he was on that trial in the Diet of Worms,spoke that his conscience remained to be subject to the Word of God,not that the church should dictate to him how and what he should believe both in the Word and through their tradition.
The corruption of the indulgences was the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to the domination and tyranny of the Church of Rome over the whole of Europe. You see there was already a growing disgust in the hearts and minds of many powerful people,doctors of the church and so on who knew the Papacy was leading the people into a hellish pit.But God put within a n imperfect man such as Luther the gumption and fortitude to stand for the conscience of truth in the Word,over practices that downgraded the Holy gospel of Christ,and dragged His Cross even further into the abyss of human deception.
There is no salvation outside of the Blood of Jesus,crucified for us,and that message of truth was totally distorted in the corruption of the Papacy for centuries.Just because people are uneducated or cannot read,they can throught the Holy Spirit understand the truth of the Bible if it is preached correctly to them.TheRCC as an institution was dealt a death blow,not by Luther,or Calvin or Zwingle,but it was dealt a death blow by God Himself.
You cannot mess with the things of God and get a w a y with it for too long.Sooner or later,God catches up with deceivers.
What you see today as a strong reliance on the Word of God,is not something new under the SUN,but that which was a challenge to the might of the Roman Church for centuries,The BIBLE is His final confirmation of His truth while we are on this temporal plain on Earth.Naturally the Bible is not completely all that God has for the whole human race,but it is His blueprint of what is Complete in Heaven."On earth as it is in heaven,"
Since the Bible is spiritually discerned,it has a 3 dimensional as pect to it.That which cannot be seen with the naked eye,or perceived by just reading the Word randomly.For the Catholics today to claim that any believer is sola scriptura to his or her detriment tis to undermine the Word of God,and to place it in subject to Human will,rather from the Will of God.
There is no salvation outside of the Blood of Jesus,crucified for us,and that message of truth was totally distorted in the corruption of the Papacy for centuries.Just because people are uneducated or cannot read,they can throught the Holy Spirit understand the truth of the Bible if it is preached correctly to them.TheRCC as an institution was dealt a death blow,not by Luther,or Calvin or Zwingle,but it was dealt a death blow by God Himself.
This statement is very true Pad
There is a minister where I have attended, who can't read a word out of a book , but put a Bible in his hands and he is on fire by God for God. Its wonderful to hear him preach.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#401580 Nov 11, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>ROB, I believe that you are a sincere person but I also believe that you are somewhat naive(not insulting you).
google the Millerites and see where the sda cultist comes from, and dont beleive him when he says that he is from a baptist background.
Miller was a defrocked baptist minister until they kicked him out of their organization.
the JW's also came from his teachings,as well as the mormons. they all studied under him or took his doctrine and theology to form their cult.s
SAD, but true!
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#401581 Nov 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Please complete the following statement from Jesus; "If you love me,....."
You will keep my Commandments.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#401582 Nov 11, 2012
Anthony

When we keep the commandments not only do we love Jesus but we also have the love of God in us. At the end of our Gospel excerpt today we heard,

Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them
will be one who loves me;
and anybody who loves me will be loved by my Father,
and I shall love him and show myself to him.(John 14:21)
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#401583 Nov 11, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. The culture in most Latino families mirrors the GOP platform, they just don't do a good enough job of selling that fact. Rubio scares the crap out of the Dems. Also, many liberal commentators admit that once Obama is finished the Dem party will get no where near the support from the black and immigrant communities.
WILD speculation!

First we have to know who the contenders are. If Hillary is the deomcratic nominee, they will be hitting the ground running.

I myself am more conservative than liberal.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#401584 Nov 11, 2012
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Highly interesting, hoho!!
Just the other day you claimed you were done commenting, debating, arguing, etc--- yet just today, here you are flapping your gums off again.
You simply CANNOT tell the truth, can you?
No---the problem is that you "can not and will not, "accept the TRUTH" (biblically AND historically!!!!

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