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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Dec 06

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#400265 Nov 4, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
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Robert says.......Why would Jesus and his disciples standout in history?
Christians ONLY claim Jesus to be the son of God. If world history at that time thought a man named Jesus was son of God they too would have recorded what they saw. Its obvious they didn't see anything. According to christian ONLY writings decades ONLY after 30AD were stories told about a man born of a miraculous birth, performed incapable feats by regular human beings, supposedly loved by everyone he met, yet according to christian ONLY writings a very short time later people were screaming for his death.
Christians get upset when they read about a man named Jesus being crucified, yet christians believe thats why he came to earth.
......no one else from the entire mediteranean ever mentions a Jesus or 12 apostles, or King Herod slaughtering male infants, or crucifixion, or resurrection. A CHRISTIAN ONLY story.....
good friend

Good News.....

I am happy to express to you that I have been aware of the seeming contradictions you propose in your addresses to me and have enough understanding to say they are based in existential ways....In short you are an existentualist.

It is for this reason you are not well understood on this forum, as what you consider contradictions, are explained back to you in a different form than the way you understand....

That of course does not mean that I can explain them. But the very existence of existential thoughts are "outside" of normal epistemilogical ways that most persons relate to the environment....

The problem is that you will never be able to get rid of angst(which most people try to resolve), and the Other(having a unified view)....
Orville

Donald, OR

#400266 Nov 4, 2012
Denying GOD:

the "son/daughter of perdition"

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Author's Page
Denying or refusing to SUBMIT to
any of HIS WORD/LAW, Genesis to Revelation,
is denying or refusing
THE ONE WHO WROTE IT.

GOD YHSHWH/JESUS is the SAME GOD
with the SAME THOUGHTS and WAYS, today,
as HE WAS before HE CREATED us;
as HE WAS when HE WALKED on earth.
HE HAS NOT CHANGED.

The human (man) of perdition is being formed



Let no man deceive you by any means:

for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,

or that is worshipped;

so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,

shewing himself that he is God.

2THESS 2:3-4

People have stop BELIEVING HIS HOLY WORD/LAW,
HIS Book of LIFE, Genesis to Revelation,
is COMPLETE TRUTH.

HOLY SPIRIT SUBMITS to GOD YHSHWH'S HOLY WORD/LAW
because HIS HOLY WORD/LAW is SPIRITUAL.
HOLY SPIRIT is HIS HOLY LIVING LAW, in me.
HIS WRITTEN LAW is HOLY and SPIRITUAL.
carnal mind/flesh refuses to
and never will SUBMIT to HIS SPIRITUAL LAW.
carnal mind/flesh is the enemy of GOD YHSHWH.

In this "fallen" state
people start following their own beliefs.
They pick and choose
what they want to believe in HIS HOLY WORD/LAW.
The ONE "holding the son of perdition back"
is taken out of the way when
HOLY SPIRIT is denied.
This creates the man (human) of sin,
the "son/daughter of perdition".

The one who makes oneself god of his body,

submitting to what one wants to submit to.

My body is GOD YHSHWHS BODY; HIS TEMPLE.

I AM to SUBMIT HIS BODY to HIM.

One who exalts oneself, above GOD YHSHWH,
does not SUBMIT one's mind, body, and life,
to some or any of GOD YHSHWH'S Book of LIFE,
Genesis to Revelation;
denying HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
This one makes oneself one's own god,
the "son/daugther of perdition".
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ROM 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy,
and the commandment holy,
and just, and good.

Why, the LAW is HOLY
and the COMMANDMENT HOLY,
JUST and GOOD.
___

ROM 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me?
God forbid.
But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me
by that which is good; that sin
by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Does this mean that that which is good is death to me? GOD forbid.
But for me to see sin, that was death to me,
that sin had to be shown really sinful to me by the COMMANDMENT.
___

ROM 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual:
but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Because we know that the LAW is SPIRITUAL,
but I am carnal, a slave to sin.
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ROM 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Because they that follow carnal self do carnal things,
but they that follow HIS SPIRIT do things of HIS SPIRIT.
___

ROM 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because to be carnal minded is death,
but to BE SPIRITUALLY MINDED is LIFE and PEACE.
___

ROM 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Because the carnal mind is an enemy of GOD,
because it does not submit to the LAW of GOD,
neither can it.
___

ROM 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh
cannot please God.

So, they that are carnal minded
cannot please GOD.


http://www.thebodyofmessiah.com/authors/denyg...
Orville

Donald, OR

#400267 Nov 4, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>kinda funny ,
I said that and I actually meant it, and your buddies, 4bdn and the sda have not shut their mouth about it yet.LOL
as well as Marge.
God wants total allegiance to Him, not to caeser




..." God wants total allegiance to Him, not to caeser."

I agree entirely. Because we are called "OUT".

"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;" (1 Peter 2:9).

The Lord spoke to His people through the apostle Peter and used several terms in order to help them appreciate their spiritual position in the Holy Christ-Jesus. He referred to them as a "chosen" or elect" race, as a "holy nation" and as a "people for God's own possession." By Holy God's grace we occupy a very favored position in His universe.

Peter continues by saying, "for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." (1 Peter 2:10). Christians are referred to as "the people of Holy God" and as having received God's "mercy." This is the result of holy God's grace and holy love, not according to our own merit.

But notice "the people of God." tremendous designation and value is stated and described, about each of these designations, note the phrase in verse 9: "...Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light."

It is a very, very important matter to be a part of this "holy nation" of "people for God's own possession" who are "the people of God" .
Orville

Donald, OR

#400269 Nov 4, 2012
preston wrote:
and to prove that ellen white has no authority to tell any one that they MUST worship on Shabat, look closely at what Justin is further saying.
argued that Sabbath was not kept before Moses, and was only instituted as a sign to Israel and a temporary measure because of Israel's sinfulness,[17] no longer needed after Christ came without sin.[18]
"A SIGN TO ISRAEL" AS CHRISTIANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING, NOT THE CHRISTIAN


""...."A SIGN TO ISRAEL" AS CHRISTIANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING, NOT THE CHRISTIAN."



It is a very, very important matter to be a part of this "holy nation" of "people for God's own possession" who are "the people of God".

*We are
Isreal....

Today,

I still get the same question.

Are you Jewish or Christian?



All who submit to HIS GIFT of SALVATION, through HIMSELF as MESSIAH,

and

To HIS SPIRIT, WHO LIVES HIS WORD/LAW through us

are the same PEOPLE ONE PEOPLE YHSHWHS.



I continue to submit to HIS GIFT of SALVATION, HIS SPIRIT, and HIS WORD/LAW.

I continue to sin less in this submission.

In submission to HIS WORD/LAW, I AM LIVING in HIM as HE LIVES in ME.



YHSHWH, in submission to HIS SPIRIT and HIS WORD/LAW, did not sin as a human, not as GOD.

If HE had not sinned as GOD, HIS SCARIFICE would not be PERFECT.

A human had to be SACRIFICED.

YHSHWH SACRIFICE, as a human, was PERFECT.

_______



Believing is one thing,



I still believe that HE HAS SAVED us

with HIS GIFT of SALVATION and HIS GRACE.

We are SAVED.



But, believing and LIVING in HIM is another;



I believe that under HIS SALVATION and GRACE

And submitting to HIS SPIRIT (not grieving HIS SPIRIT)

By LIVING IS WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation),

I AM LIVING in YHSHWH.

YHSHWH is HIS WORD/LAW.

And HIS WORD/LAW is GOD.



JN 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

JN 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?



I will never die.

AMEN!!!

WE are ONE!!!

WE are ISRAEL!!!


Fr Robert Dye

Muskogee, OK

#400270 Nov 4, 2012
guest wrote:
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I dare you to watch this video and say that to me once again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rVTXbARGXsoXX
but I know you won't. You can't handle the truth.
But, I KNOW for a certainty that I am not responsible one one person who has died in Iraq or Afghanistan.
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A vote for the lessor of two evils is ... well, just plain evil.
And a vote for any other party or a write-in, is really no vote at all and a waste of time. But that makes perfect sense, so I don't expect you to have even the slightest clue.
The Whole Truth is the Whole Truth - a Half Truth, is a Whole Lie.
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Why on earth would I watch such silliness?
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I live in a state that uses paper ballots. None of my business what other states than mine do.
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But I do appreciate your not voting.
.
If the situation is corrupt, then the loss of your vote is immaterial.
.
If the system is not corrupt, then your vote might have made a difference.
.
But you won't vote, so it is absolutely guaranteed that your vote will not have the chance to mess anything up.
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Rob
Orville

Donald, OR

#400271 Nov 4, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
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Why on earth would I watch such silliness?
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I live in a state that uses paper ballots. None of my business what other states than mine do.
.
But I do appreciate your not voting.
.
If the situation is corrupt, then the loss of your vote is immaterial.
.
If the system is not corrupt, then your vote might have made a difference.
.
But you won't vote, so it is absolutely guaranteed that your vote will not have the chance to mess anything up.
.
Rob
And on the flip side, it is absolutely guaranteed that your vote will have the chance to mess everything up.
Orville

Donald, OR

#400272 Nov 4, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
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Why on earth would I watch such silliness?
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I live in a state that uses paper ballots. None of my business what other states than mine do.
.
But I do appreciate your not voting.
.
If the situation is corrupt, then the loss of your vote is immaterial.
.
If the system is not corrupt, then your vote might have made a difference.
.
But you won't vote, so it is absolutely guaranteed that your vote will not have the chance to mess anything up.
.
Rob


Your certainly old enough to answer. Where did your vote make a difference in your life? How are you any better off than 35 years ago?

Has your vote made our nation more prosperous, wholesome, and complete?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#400273 Nov 4, 2012
marge wrote:
ok, i'm done talking to Preston and guest and Orville!, until they get there wits about them;
AND SIDE WITH GOD,
AND VOTE informed, for the sake of our children!
Goodbye May God Bless!
It seems all this forum IS now is politics. According to the name of this group, it is supposed to be discussing religious beliefs...pathetic! That's why I have not bothered posting here much lately. Politics should not even be discussed here, IMO.
How you keeping, Marge?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#400274 Nov 4, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
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Obama garners more support from roman catholics, yet the bishops across america spend $$ MILLIONS $$ fighting him. Millions of dollars that could have bought 10s of millions of boxes of kraft dinner and peanut butter for the poor.
The great roman catholic divide...
Catholics that support Obama "have been duped" by the Socialist Liberal Democratically (Marxist to be) left wing media. Unfortunately there are some "well meaning" Protestants that have also "fallen victim" to the same "communist ideology" that has "infected the Democratic Party" which is "polluting" this nation.
Few people seem to "pay attention" to the words of Nikita Krushchev from the 1960's when he said" We,"Communism" will bury the United States, from within in 50 years.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#400275 Nov 4, 2012
hojo wrote:
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Jesus Christ established, formed and initiated ONE CHURCH---over 2000 years ago.---ONE TRUE CHURCH-----ONE TRUE (Universal) Church and one "belief" that is manifested in "one faith"---and that TRUTH is the Catholic Church. The Protestants have chosen to "reject the TRUTH, the belief and the faith" at the Protestant Reformation.(plain and simple)--that is why you have so many believers, believing "differently". With bible only Protestants there are over 42,000 different, contradicting, inconsistent beliefs--NOT BASED UPON THE BIBLE, but on "personal opinionated interpretation of the bible-----(Relativism---" What I think is true-----hlaf-truth, half-heresy----Christianity "
First of all, you don't have you dates right. The buggery club did not start until about 1700 years ago.

And if you believe that there is only one version of the catholic church, then you don't know much about what you preach.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#400276 Nov 4, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
TBS
Thank you for describing your faith and beliefs....
I shall endeavor to be aware of them, so that I may understand, and write accordingly to them....
You should write according to you own thoughts, not someone else.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#400277 Nov 4, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>...but would be very involved at explaining at this time.
It is always difficult for the faithful to explain about their faith.

Faith: Noun:

1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#400278 Nov 4, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
TBS
Since we haven't gotten to faith, and what it does, and that you state you do not have faith, your quotes of Bible verses is noted, but would be very involved at explaining at this time. I would rather have faith unfold its meaning as time progresses....
Your definition of belief is to simple, so it will be confusing to distinguish between faith and belief. Consider using wikipedia for a definition of belief. It is a little more expanded and a descriptive definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief
If you cannot be aware of, or understand the wikipedia definition at this time, we might approach things using reason instead....
If I am too smart to fall for your bull, then I am a fool. I have been fooled by satan.

That is what you are trying to say, right? Well, I am smart enough to know that is complete bullshit. You are trying to sell me the Emperor's New Clothes, wrap in religion.

You try to twist the meanings of words so that you don't sound so foolish.

I know where you are coming from. You were lost, thought that no one loved you, that you did not even deserve to live. Someone convinced you that god loves even you! That you can be forgiven, loved and wanted. All that you had to do is believe. Once you believed, you were part of an elite group of people who stand strong against the big bad devil and all of his tricks. Believing has taken you from being an animal to being righteous! Who can blame you?!?! You have been through a lot.

Me; I haven't been through all that much and I haven't gotten lost being addicted to anything. So, I am not looking, hoping for a savior.

Read the Emperor's New Clothes! It is a real eye opener.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#400279 Nov 4, 2012
I had a talk with the Lord this morning.

I've been going through somethings and was downhearted.

I called on His name and He gave me peace and this song came into my heart.

Come Morning

God's children too long have been burdened
They are longing for Heaven's green shore
Where heartaches are left far behind us
And the burdens are carried no more.

Come morning, I'll walk by the river
And I'll rest 'neath the evergreen tree.
And I'll carry my cross thru the midnight.
Come morning, there's glory for me.

Sometimes I'm despised and rejected
And I question oh Father, how long?
And then I'll take one more look at Mt. Calvary,
Then it gives me the strength to go on.

Come morning, I'll walk by the river
And I'll rest 'neath the evergreen tree.
And I'll carry my cross thru the midnight.
Come morning, there's glory for me.

Come morning, there's glory for me.

Isn't the Lord good?
preston

Waverly, OH

#400280 Nov 4, 2012
JUST-A-CHRISTIAN wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems all this forum IS now is politics. According to the name of this group, it is supposed to be discussing religious beliefs...pathetic! That's why I have not bothered posting here much lately. Politics should not even be discussed here, IMO.
How you keeping, Marge?
that is exactly what I said to gif but he started it and it morphed into a knock down drag out fight over who votes and who doesnt.
preston

Waverly, OH

#400281 Nov 4, 2012
Full of Love wrote:
I had a talk with the Lord this morning.
I've been going through somethings and was downhearted.
I called on His name and He gave me peace and this song came into my heart.
Come Morning
God's children too long have been burdened
They are longing for Heaven's green shore
Where heartaches are left far behind us
And the burdens are carried no more.
Come morning, I'll walk by the river
And I'll rest 'neath the evergreen tree.
And I'll carry my cross thru the midnight.
Come morning, there's glory for me.
Sometimes I'm despised and rejected
And I question oh Father, how long?
And then I'll take one more look at Mt. Calvary,
Then it gives me the strength to go on.
Come morning, I'll walk by the river
And I'll rest 'neath the evergreen tree.
And I'll carry my cross thru the midnight.
Come morning, there's glory for me.
Come morning, there's glory for me.
Isn't the Lord good?
Karen, always when we talk to Him, he can give peace to our soul(getting Blessed), as He said when He told us that "my Burden is light and my yoke is easy". that is our promise when we have our problems, we can turn to Him and allow Him to take our burdens from us
guest

United States

#400282 Nov 4, 2012
guest wrote:
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I dare you to watch this video and say that to me once again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
but I know you won't. You can't handle the truth.
But, I KNOW for a certainty that I am not responsible one one person who has died in Iraq or Afghanistan.
-
A vote for the lessor of two evils is ... well, just plain evil.
And a vote for any other party or a write-in, is really no vote at all and a waste of time. But that makes perfect sense, so I don't expect you to have even the slightest clue.
The Whole Truth is the Whole Truth - a Half Truth, is a Whole Lie.
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Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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Why on earth would I watch such silliness?
.
I live in a state that uses paper ballots. None of my business what other states than mine do.
.
But I do appreciate your not voting.
.
If the situation is corrupt, then the loss of your vote is immaterial.
.
If the system is not corrupt, then your vote might have made a difference.
.
But you won't vote, so it is absolutely guaranteed that your vote will not have the chance to mess anything up.
.
Rob
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WOW! Your priorities are most certainly screwed up!
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This statement by you is MORE than a HILARIOUS RESPONSE coming from someone who adheres to a system for which you ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO CHANCE of EVER casting a vote in - as you have so said yourself (and, I might add, shaded with a hint of lamentation), YOU ... will NEVER get a chance to vote for a Pope ... or, the one person on earth (in your mind) who has "authority" directly from God to do what is done in heaven (kill body and soul)... here on earth. THAT guy, you *can't* vote for.
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The one guy you *can* vote for - the U.S. president - has no authority over the life or death of your soul. But he CAN order your body be put to death (as did the previous president for all the troops he put into harms way, based solely on fabrications about WMDs).
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Furthermore, your argument of a paper-ballot from the state of Oklahoma (it's not a "swing" state, or it would *absolutely* possess Diebold machines ..which can be manipulated) is lame at best. and so what do you care about what the other states do as far as computerized voting is concerned? Voter fraud made easy in another state by these machines can easily cancel out your vote as well as everyone else's vote in your state. But you don't understand that. To you, that is silliness.
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What is silliness to me, is REALIZING the system is corrupt, and running out and casting a vote anyways. It is futile action. Like an umbrella in a hurricane - a vote that is NOT counted (whether I cast it, or not) will not have a chance of *fixing* the status quo.

The following Bible verses describe this situation - and perfectly.
http://niv.scripturetext.com/m atthew/10.htm

24 A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 IT IS ENOUGH FOR THE STUDENT TO BE LIKE HIS TEACHER, and the SERVANT LIKE HIS MASTER. IF THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN CALLED BEELZEBUB, HOW MUCH MORE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD!

26 So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 DO NOT BE AFRAID OF THOSE WHO KILL THE BODY BUT CANNOT KILL THE SOUL. Rather, be AFRAID of the ONE who CAN DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL.
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In other words,*IF* the Head of your church shelters pedophiles, so do the members of your church, with those in 'office' being most responsible.
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Likewise:
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If the Head of the Nation is guilty of WAR CRIMES - so too is every individual who supported him, with those in office having the greater responsibility.
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See how that works?
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And IRONICALLY...YOU are allowed to vote in the system that can destroy your body, but YOU cannot vote in the system that can do the more serious damage of destroying both your body and your soul.
truth

Perth, Australia

#400283 Nov 4, 2012
our lovly Hojo
poj poj poj sing sing sing..Heaven also sing Hojo.

Did you know communist protect about what..most value land rich with minerals oil and everything..yep

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Hojo bumerang coming..on every action coming about what destruction..or will be used for become about what..to be ''rich''..see hojoooooooooooo ''rich''
They are now capitalist..who have most protected
''natural reserves''.

Mental or sick person can't tell you that.
they need document on corupt way as they do toward many many..politician layers scribe this and that..all is some.
truth

Perth, Australia

#400284 Nov 4, 2012
Creator created first everything before he created man and woman.

Read again ''water''..your Creator divided two things.

''Land and water''..without ''water'' our life in this form can't exist.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#400285 Nov 4, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>Karen, always when we talk to Him, he can give peace to our soul(getting Blessed), as He said when He told us that "my Burden is light and my yoke is easy". that is our promise when we have our problems, we can turn to Him and allow Him to take our burdens from us
I agree.
He has never failed me.
I know that I can go to Him when I am burdened down with the trials of this life and He will give me that sweet peace.

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