So now there are 'OVER 42,000 dirrerent BELIEFS'. Facts or truth don't really concern you much do they?<quoted text>
Jesus Christ established, formed and initiated ONE CHURCH---over 2000 years ago.---ONE TRUE CHURCH-----ONE TRUE (Universal) Church and one "belief" that is manifested in "one faith"---and that TRUTH is the Catholic Church. The Protestants have chosen to "reject the TRUTH, the belief and the faith" at the Protestant Reformation.(plain and simple)--that is why you have so many believers, believing "differently". With bible only Protestants there are over 42,000 different, contradicting, inconsistent beliefs--NOT BASED UPON THE BIBLE, but on "personal opinionated interpretation of the bible-----(Relativism---" What I think is true-----hlaf-truth, half-heresy----Christianity "
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Saint Louis, MO
#400253 Nov 4, 2012
Saint Louis, MO
#400255 Nov 4, 2012
concocted, dontrived and made up. Oh, my. Actually, he makes more sense than you do,most of the time. And with a lot less repitition. Just sayin'.
Since: Dec 06
#400256 Nov 4, 2012
Thank you for describing your faith and beliefs....
I shall endeavor to be aware of them, so that I may understand, and write accordingly to them....
#400257 Nov 4, 2012
Nonvoters: The Other Abstinence Movement
by Linton Weeks
November 03, 2012 5:12 PM
To many Americans, the right to vote in a presidential election is a sacred and precious opportunity. To others, the right to not vote is just as meaningful. And they exercise it.
In just-released data, the Pew Research Center reports that about 43 percent of Americans of voting age in 2008 didn't participate in the presidential election.
The report goes on to say who nonvoters prefer in the election coming up on Tuesday between President Obama and Mitt Romney.(No offense, but what difference does it make? They're not voting!)
While we still don't know what the total number of nonparticipants will be on Nov. 6, we do know that a large swath of Americans are not planning to vote early or late or at any time. For myriad reasons cynicism, apathy, moral objections, for example some people are choosing to abstain.
Recently we sent out a query on NPR's Facebook page asking the political abstainers to tell us why they do not plan to vote. Answers and answerers were all over the map. Conservative voters in predominantly liberal states and vice versa just didn't see the point.
A number of people are disenchanted with the Electoral College system. There are those who want to use the Internet to vote and govern, and there are those who just want to be left the heck alone by the whole process. And then there are some people who will not be voting for other reasoned reasons, including these:........
Hometown: Montgomery, Ala.
Occupation: Language interpreter
Reason: "I don't vote because as a Christian and a student of the Bible, I feel it is not a Christian's place to become involved in politics. If one were to research the early Christian church's opinion on politics, you would see that they, like Jesus, were neutral in all political matters since they consider God's Kingdom as the only solution to mankind's problems. Of course, they recognized the God-given authority of human government, obeyed said governments, but also separated themselves from any kind of political involvement."
Hometown: Jonesboro, Ark.
Occupation: Graduate assistant
Reason: "I am not a registered voter, I have never voted and do not plan to this election year. I do not vote because I believe that at the end of the day, money is more powerful than a ballot."
Courtesy of Luke Banda Age: 23
Hometown: Johnstown, Pa.
Occupation: Physical therapist assistant
Reason: "A simple understanding of statistics shows that my vote does not matter."
Saint Louis, MO
#400258 Nov 4, 2012
Kinda, just maybe, makes you think that (maybe) they don't all believe the same things, doesn't it. Well there goes HOHO's argument.
Since: Dec 06
#400259 Nov 4, 2012
Since we haven't gotten to faith, and what it does, and that you state you do not have faith, your quotes of Bible verses is noted, but would be very involved at explaining at this time. I would rather have faith unfold its meaning as time progresses....
Your definition of belief is to simple, so it will be confusing to distinguish between faith and belief. Consider using wikipedia for a definition of belief. It is a little more expanded and a descriptive definition.
If you cannot be aware of, or understand the wikipedia definition at this time, we might approach things using reason instead....
#400260 Nov 4, 2012
the RCC had absolutely NOTHING to do with Christians celebrating Sunday because that was the Day that the Lord was Resurreced, and Paul mentioned it in his Letters.
it was called the "Lords Day" in his epistle.
do some research before you spout your lies.
Lord's Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_DayTextual tradition · Early church · Middle ages · Modern church
Lord's Day in Christianity is generally Sunday, the day of communal worship. It is observed by most Christians as the weekly memorial of the resurrection of Jesus ...
By the mid-2nd century, Justin Martyr wrote in his apologies about the cessation of Sabbath observance and the celebration of the first (or eighth) day of the week (not as a day of rest, but as a day for gathering to worship):
and since you are not a Christian,
IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE AS TO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE OR WHO ISNT.
#400261 Nov 4, 2012
and to prove that ellen white has no authority to tell any one that they MUST worship on Shabat, look closely at what Justin is further saying.
argued that Sabbath was not kept before Moses, and was only instituted as a sign to Israel and a temporary measure because of Israel's sinfulness, no longer needed after Christ came without sin.
"A SIGN TO ISRAEL" AS CHRISTIANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING, NOT THE CHRISTIAN
#400263 Nov 4, 2012
4bdn started calling him cesspool, and i must admit tha I also did a couple of times until I figured it out that he was a pretty good guy.
so Clay, I apologize for stooping to the level of some others on this forum.
and I have quit calling the catholics names just because they are catholics.
#400264 Nov 4, 2012
kinda funny ,
I said that and I actually meant it, and your buddies, 4bdn and the sda have not shut their mouth about it yet.LOL
as well as Marge.
God wants total allegiance to Him, not to caeser
Since: Dec 06
#400265 Nov 4, 2012
I am happy to express to you that I have been aware of the seeming contradictions you propose in your addresses to me and have enough understanding to say they are based in existential ways....In short you are an existentualist.
It is for this reason you are not well understood on this forum, as what you consider contradictions, are explained back to you in a different form than the way you understand....
That of course does not mean that I can explain them. But the very existence of existential thoughts are "outside" of normal epistemilogical ways that most persons relate to the environment....
The problem is that you will never be able to get rid of angst(which most people try to resolve), and the Other(having a unified view)....
#400266 Nov 4, 2012
the "son/daughter of perdition"
Denying or refusing to SUBMIT to
any of HIS WORD/LAW, Genesis to Revelation,
is denying or refusing
THE ONE WHO WROTE IT.
GOD YHSHWH/JESUS is the SAME GOD
with the SAME THOUGHTS and WAYS, today,
as HE WAS before HE CREATED us;
as HE WAS when HE WALKED on earth.
HE HAS NOT CHANGED.
The human (man) of perdition is being formed
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
People have stop BELIEVING HIS HOLY WORD/LAW,
HIS Book of LIFE, Genesis to Revelation,
is COMPLETE TRUTH.
HOLY SPIRIT SUBMITS to GOD YHSHWH'S HOLY WORD/LAW
because HIS HOLY WORD/LAW is SPIRITUAL.
HOLY SPIRIT is HIS HOLY LIVING LAW, in me.
HIS WRITTEN LAW is HOLY and SPIRITUAL.
carnal mind/flesh refuses to
and never will SUBMIT to HIS SPIRITUAL LAW.
carnal mind/flesh is the enemy of GOD YHSHWH.
In this "fallen" state
people start following their own beliefs.
They pick and choose
what they want to believe in HIS HOLY WORD/LAW.
The ONE "holding the son of perdition back"
is taken out of the way when
HOLY SPIRIT is denied.
This creates the man (human) of sin,
the "son/daughter of perdition".
The one who makes oneself god of his body,
submitting to what one wants to submit to.
My body is GOD YHSHWHS BODY; HIS TEMPLE.
I AM to SUBMIT HIS BODY to HIM.
One who exalts oneself, above GOD YHSHWH,
does not SUBMIT one's mind, body, and life,
to some or any of GOD YHSHWH'S Book of LIFE,
Genesis to Revelation;
denying HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
This one makes oneself one's own god,
the "son/daugther of perdition".
ROM 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy,
and the commandment holy,
and just, and good.
Why, the LAW is HOLY
and the COMMANDMENT HOLY,
JUST and GOOD.
ROM 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me?
But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me
by that which is good; that sin
by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Does this mean that that which is good is death to me? GOD forbid.
But for me to see sin, that was death to me,
that sin had to be shown really sinful to me by the COMMANDMENT.
ROM 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual:
but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Because we know that the LAW is SPIRITUAL,
but I am carnal, a slave to sin.
ROM 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Because they that follow carnal self do carnal things,
but they that follow HIS SPIRIT do things of HIS SPIRIT.
ROM 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because to be carnal minded is death,
but to BE SPIRITUALLY MINDED is LIFE and PEACE.
ROM 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Because the carnal mind is an enemy of GOD,
because it does not submit to the LAW of GOD,
neither can it.
ROM 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh
cannot please God.
So, they that are carnal minded
cannot please GOD.
#400267 Nov 4, 2012
..." God wants total allegiance to Him, not to caeser."
I agree entirely. Because we are called "OUT".
"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;" (1 Peter 2:9).
The Lord spoke to His people through the apostle Peter and used several terms in order to help them appreciate their spiritual position in the Holy Christ-Jesus. He referred to them as a "chosen" or elect" race, as a "holy nation" and as a "people for God's own possession." By Holy God's grace we occupy a very favored position in His universe.
Peter continues by saying, "for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." (1 Peter 2:10). Christians are referred to as "the people of Holy God" and as having received God's "mercy." This is the result of holy God's grace and holy love, not according to our own merit.
But notice "the people of God." tremendous designation and value is stated and described, about each of these designations, note the phrase in verse 9: "...Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light."
It is a very, very important matter to be a part of this "holy nation" of "people for God's own possession" who are "the people of God" .
#400269 Nov 4, 2012
""...."A SIGN TO ISRAEL" AS CHRISTIANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING, NOT THE CHRISTIAN."
It is a very, very important matter to be a part of this "holy nation" of "people for God's own possession" who are "the people of God".
I still get the same question.
Are you Jewish or Christian?
All who submit to HIS GIFT of SALVATION, through HIMSELF as MESSIAH,
To HIS SPIRIT, WHO LIVES HIS WORD/LAW through us
are the same PEOPLE ONE PEOPLE YHSHWHS.
I continue to submit to HIS GIFT of SALVATION, HIS SPIRIT, and HIS WORD/LAW.
I continue to sin less in this submission.
In submission to HIS WORD/LAW, I AM LIVING in HIM as HE LIVES in ME.
YHSHWH, in submission to HIS SPIRIT and HIS WORD/LAW, did not sin as a human, not as GOD.
If HE had not sinned as GOD, HIS SCARIFICE would not be PERFECT.
A human had to be SACRIFICED.
YHSHWH SACRIFICE, as a human, was PERFECT.
Believing is one thing,
I still believe that HE HAS SAVED us
with HIS GIFT of SALVATION and HIS GRACE.
We are SAVED.
But, believing and LIVING in HIM is another;
I believe that under HIS SALVATION and GRACE
And submitting to HIS SPIRIT (not grieving HIS SPIRIT)
By LIVING IS WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation),
I AM LIVING in YHSHWH.
YHSHWH is HIS WORD/LAW.
And HIS WORD/LAW is GOD.
JN 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
JN 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
I will never die.
WE are ONE!!!
WE are ISRAEL!!!
#400270 Nov 4, 2012
Why on earth would I watch such silliness?
I live in a state that uses paper ballots. None of my business what other states than mine do.
But I do appreciate your not voting.
If the situation is corrupt, then the loss of your vote is immaterial.
If the system is not corrupt, then your vote might have made a difference.
But you won't vote, so it is absolutely guaranteed that your vote will not have the chance to mess anything up.
#400271 Nov 4, 2012
And on the flip side, it is absolutely guaranteed that your vote will have the chance to mess everything up.
#400272 Nov 4, 2012
Your certainly old enough to answer. Where did your vote make a difference in your life? How are you any better off than 35 years ago?
Has your vote made our nation more prosperous, wholesome, and complete?
Since: Aug 12
#400273 Nov 4, 2012
It seems all this forum IS now is politics. According to the name of this group, it is supposed to be discussing religious beliefs...pathetic! That's why I have not bothered posting here much lately. Politics should not even be discussed here, IMO.
How you keeping, Marge?
Saint Paul, MN
#400274 Nov 4, 2012
Catholics that support Obama "have been duped" by the Socialist Liberal Democratically (Marxist to be) left wing media. Unfortunately there are some "well meaning" Protestants that have also "fallen victim" to the same "communist ideology" that has "infected the Democratic Party" which is "polluting" this nation.
Few people seem to "pay attention" to the words of Nikita Krushchev from the 1960's when he said" We,"Communism" will bury the United States, from within in 50 years.
Since: Jul 09
#400275 Nov 4, 2012
First of all, you don't have you dates right. The buggery club did not start until about 1700 years ago.
And if you believe that there is only one version of the catholic church, then you don't know much about what you preach.
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