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MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#399999 Nov 3, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Was a jew? What is he now? Where did he claim to be anything different?
You are right about the, "he did not come to abolish the law", but no one will listen to you.
Christianity took the JEW out of Jesus. Jesus would not be his Jewish name. If he actually lived his family would never had called him Jesus. Jews pray with their hands at their side or behind them, christians reversed that and pray with their hands in the front.

Jewish men wear hats in synagogue, christians reversed that men DON'T wear hats worshipping.

Jewish women DON'T wear hats worshipping, christians reversed that women DO wear hats worshipping.

Images of Jesus (yeshua) appear to be western culture, catholic church doesn't want Jesus appearing as a JEW.

Christianity has honed, developed, and edited the life of an individual, removed his culture and turned him into FRANKENJESUS.

Christianity has done everything to take the JEW out of Jesus.





MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#400000 Nov 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
For your information, I have been to three of Billy Grahams Crusades over the past 40 years (as a Protestant and as a Catholic) so I know "exactly" what I am talking about and you "preston" (with all due respect) have "no idea as to what you are talking about!!
Hello HOJO......3 Billy Graham crusades you say!

Didn't you learn after the 1st crusade?

Billy Graham and his son are loved by millions. I guess we take you off that list. They have both done wonderful things for many people..........and now you call them anti-catholic, half truth, heresies, 41,999+ groups...
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#400001 Nov 3, 2012
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>27 n.t. books are all hearsay books men nothing,all that is written in them the writers witnessed not a single thing,can't be proven to be accurate.
And the "only" way that you (yourself) can (prove) that you "are alive" jethro8, is that your name is not in the obituary column!
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#400002 Nov 3, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I want a good economy with good jobs just like everybody else.
The problem is, if the economy is more important to a person then the slaughter of 2 million innocents every year in America thru abortion, then we need to really examine our conscience.
Obama and all democrats have failed the working class by being in bed with Ideologues on the left. The DFL (Democratic Farmers and Laborers) is nothing of the sort anymore.
George Bush was the REPULICAN president just 4 years ago, and he did nothing. What makes you believe anything is going to change?

You need to teach individuals about abortion. If legalized abortions were stopped, then illegal abortions would start right up like they did in the past.

Presidential candidates does nothing to stop abortions.

DID YOU KNOW that catholic women have more abortions per 1,000 than non catholic women? Its time you do your homework and learn to get it right.

Maybe you should start your crusade in your own church.

http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/abortions-co...

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Catholic/2001...
Pad

Rockford, IL

#400003 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>and also let me add.
Only Karen has heard me Preach, through tapes that I sent her, and the other night when gif was saying that I wasnt a preacher(like orville, letting the flesh rule) karen came on here and said that he had heard me Preach and she enjoyed my tapes.
you being Pentecostal, would enjoy my type of Preaching also, since I dont use notes but totally allow God to use me, and He has.
I know that you are a Holiness preacher,or pastor.Wesleyan,Free Methodist,Nazarene,Church of God(Anderson,Indiana),Pilgrim Holiness?

Fiery preachers from those denominations.I attended for awhile a Wesleyan church,that pastor was very anointed.My start as a born-again Christian was with the Nazarenes.

You are an enigma to me,than again you are distinctly different from most holiness preachers.Your views on politics baffles me,it is not about voting for a M O R M O N,its about the PLATFORM.Obama not only is pro-death,and for planned parenthood,he is a socialist and a globalist,who wants to give America its last will and testament.He has aspirations of global significance.

But God has other plans for Obama I am sure,he may never be able to get on the global track,as much as he may want to.His little talks with the Russians and others that do not care about our country,lead me to think,he is pressing toward a neutralization of this country,that will ultimately make us a servant to the world,rather than a power,independent and a voice for real freedom.

As for your right to vote or not vote,you have it here in AMERICA.Do what you want preston,I have a feeling you are quite able to influence others,hopefully to lead as many to our Lord as possible in these last days.

As a believer I find you abrupt and rough around the edges,but than again I respect your contribution to this country as a vet.From what you said in the past you faced death( do not know how often in SERVICE),but that is for you to know.Your service for this country is commendable,and God bless you,your sons,daughters,and their precious little ones.

You are quick to call people liars,personally I believe people on this forum do not go out of their way to lie as much as you and some accuse people of doing.We do not all have the facts on everything,and there should be that consideration,the facts being slim at best,gives us all a lee-way to give our own opinion.Why consider it a lie?WELL that is your perogative.

I do not know you from adam,but you continue to claim you know several people on this forum,do you guys get on a private line? You are from different states and have busy lives,but you make such personal digs against people.I find it all complicated.But underneath it all preston,I value your opinion as a holiness preacher.I have known so many,and if your Woody is anything like some I have known,than the reality of Christian love and truth is known to Woody,and I hope you.But I wonder about your personal attacks and name calling,that gets to be obnoxious,to say the least.

AND surprise preston,I really am not a Pentecostal.I find that term to be narrow-minded and taking away from the truth of the Scriptures. Continued:
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#400004 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello HOJO......3 Billy Graham crusades you say!
Didn't you learn after the 1st crusade?
Billy Graham and his son are loved by millions. I guess we take you off that list. They have both done wonderful things for many people..........and now you call them anti-catholic, half truth, heresies, 41,999+ groups...
Your distorted comments, continues to prove how "out of touch" you REALLY ARE about ANYTHING..... Billy Graham embraces the teachings of the Catholic Church as Christian (as well as Pope Benedict). There is "no comparison" to his evangelistic (ecumentical bible ministry) in which he sees ALL CHRISTIANS as in (one body--one spirit in Christ -----VS------- Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG, jethro8, New Age and the rest of the bible only (anti-catholic, anti-church) heretics on this forum, who are the "self-appointed" 42,196+ conflicting (paper pope-bible (mis)interpreters. These are the half-truth, half-heresy Christians-----definitely NOT--- Billy Graham

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#400005 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith. It is very important that we recognize cults and avoid any involvement with them. Cults often teach some Christian truth mixed with error, which may be difficult to detect. There are some features common to most cults: They do not adhere solely to the sixty-six books of the Bible as the inspired Word of God. They add their "special revelations" to the Bible as equally authoritative. They do not accept that our relationship to Jesus Christ is a reality "by grace through faith" alone, but practice instead a salvation by works. They do not give Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, full recognition as the second Person of the Trinity, composed of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spiritists, Scientologists, and others.
mr graham used to believe that it was "by grace through faith" years ago but tody, he doesnt beleive anything. just numbers in his ank account.
Thank you, but I will take the corrct meaning of cult over yours.

cult/k&#601;lt/
Noun:

A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#400006 Nov 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
And the "only" way that you (yourself) can (prove) that you "are alive" jethro8, is that your name is not in the obituary column!
Try again. That is the lamest of lame.

No biblical writer was alive to witness jesus.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#400007 Nov 3, 2012
Continued to Preston:

I attend the Assemblies of God,here in my city.It is the biggest church in the city right now,and our congregation is so mixed and so not a Pentecostal type group.You barely ever hear speaking in tongues.In private cell groups there are those who use their gifts.

I personally have not spoken in tongues for years,and Pentecostals consider that I am not using the gift God gave me for prayer and so on.I pray with the understanding,and not one word will proceed out of my mouth if I can help it in the flesh.When the Holy Spirit comes over me,as He is within me,I may experience a real moving,the holiness people iknow that,as Sanctification is an experience.

Nevertheless,I am not trying to get on subjects that people find debatable.You are quote opionated about Pentecostals as in your past posts.I basically understand your grevance with them.Many in the Assemblies of God try hard to distance themselves from the Pentecostal who wants to demonstrate their gifts.As I said before our services are far from pentecostal,but in our cell groups there are those who feel they must speak in tongues and so on.

However there is a strong spiritual atmosphere as well,and If the LORD chooses to use His gifts in our services,He will. It is not an issue with us.

Our pastors in the Evangelical churches are very united here.They often meet,and discuss issues,but most of all help the needy together,and join in big efforts to clean up our city as well.Together they march against abortion annually.

As for Mormonism,father dye is right it is hard to call them a cult.BECAUSE there is no personality running their church to this day,Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are long dead,Mormons are a very well established organization.

Nevertheless their theology is quite obviously not orthodox Christianity.I would not call them a Christian church,but Mormonism as we all label them.They want to be called "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." AND that is their perogative,but orthodox Christianity they are not,and no matter how much they may shout to the world that they are Christian,they basically and fundamentally are not.

Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons are well organized cults,and Billy Graham has no right to take anyone off the list of non-orthodox "Chritian cults",just because ROMNEY is running for president.

I may want Romney to be president at this point,but I would never want him to be my P A S T O R!

Obama is running this country to the ground,and as I said he is a globalist,and wants to neutralize AMERICA into a servant rather than a Power of an Independent nation.

Any president who would disc Canada,in oil research and deals with this country to improve our energy sources is anti-American as far as I am concerned.Obama does not care about what America is to this world,he wants us to become a 3rd rate nation,subservient to Europe,Middle East and so on.Obama is rich what does he care if he ruins this country,he will have his 5 million,and he'll write another book to promote his narcissism.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#400008 Nov 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Your distorted comments, continues to prove how "out of touch" you REALLY ARE about ANYTHING..... Billy Graham embraces the teachings of the Catholic Church as Christian (as well as Pope Benedict). There is "no comparison" to his evangelistic (ecumentical bible ministry) in which he sees ALL CHRISTIANS as in (one body--one spirit in Christ -----VS------- Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG, jethro8, New Age and the rest of the bible only (anti-catholic, anti-church) heretics on this forum, who are the "self-appointed" 42,196+ conflicting (paper pope-bible (mis)interpreters. These are the half-truth, half-heresy Christians-----definitely NOT--- Billy Graham
Like all other holy men, billy is in it for the money and the power. No one can read the entire bible and still believe.
preston

Waverly, OH

#400009 Nov 3, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I know that you are a Holiness preacher,or pastor.Wesleyan,Free Methodist,Nazarene,Church of God(Anderson,Indiana),Pilgrim Holiness?
Fiery preachers from those denominations.I attended for awhile a Wesleyan church,that pastor was very anointed.My start as a born-again Christian was with the Nazarenes.
You are an enigma to me,than again you are distinctly different from most holiness preachers.Your views on politics baffles me,
sorry, but I dont "talk" to any person on this forum, and only a couple have I emailed with. one was even Mary hammond, a rough one if there was one on this forum.
and jsut altely ahve I emailed karen but that was private and will remain so.
when i call a peson a liar, it is because they have lied and I ALWAYS show proof of their lies.
so your opinion is not based on facts from this forum.
and thankfully church members that I KNOW have nothing in common with many people on this forum, such as the sda cultist, false prophets and a liar like Orville(who stated that jesus never paid taxes and he even used some veses that showed that he did, but he cut out the one that proved him to be lying which made him a deceiver.and lest I forget, 4bdn whoissued John a homosexual invitation with his filthy dirty mouth and he was called on it by others. why were you silent?
it is easy for you to speak against me who stand against that, but when they lie and they speak falsely, you stand on the sidelines like a coward would do.
getting back to you, since you attend the AOG, that is pentecost so it would be an honest mistake of my part to assume that you folow their doctrine.
and Woody died several years ago, so your words about him are moot.
and getting ack to voting, YES, it is voting for a mormon that I object too. he is clearly in a cult that preaches a different Gospel than Paul preached, nuff said about that, if you disagree with Paul, you face the consequences , not me.
look how stupid your words are that he talks with the Russians,lol
let me clue you in, EVERY PRESDENT HAS DONE THAT. FOR GOOD REASON.
LETS GO BACK TO MR BUSH AND GORBACHEV, THEY BOTH BOTH OF A NEW WORLD ORDER. at the same time, so they had to have spoken to each other.
OTHERS GIVE YOU MORE CREDIT THAN I DO, TO ME YOU ARENT TO BRIGHT.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#400011 Nov 3, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you, but I will take the corrct meaning of cult over yours.
cult/k&#601;lt/
Noun:
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
To the Jews Chrsitianity is a cult.And their opinion is quite respected,as Christianity came out of Judaism.

Jesus was no doubt the main and most endearing figure of Christianity.BUT the truth is,Jesus not only gave His life,but He introduced to the world,and especially to the JEW first,personally,the KINGDOM of His Father.That is the key to understanding Christ. What His relationship was and IS with the Father of Lights.

The Jews and other religious bodies such as the Muslims,may feel that Christianity is idol worship and so on,but the truth is that the Followers of Christ have displayed the real essence of the Kingdom of God.Nevertheless,there is the human factor in all of this,and we may have failed miserably at times.But when comparing all facets of this Christian era,Christians have proven time and time again,that they are engaged in the ultimate movement of helping this planet to find God in all of His fulness and Mercy,most of all love.Christians of every affiliation,and groups like the Mormons,have shown to the world, that they are willing to go the extra mile to help the unfortunate,and to give to the uttermost to alleviate poverty and victims of disasters.
preston

Waverly, OH

#400012 Nov 3, 2012
Pad wrote:
Continued to Preston:
Obama is rich what does he care if he ruins this country,he will have his 5 million,and he'll write another book to promote his narcissism.
this post about obama being rich is one of the dumbest that you have ever wrote and you have wrote some doozies.

In December 2007, the Obama family was estimated at at net worth of $1.3 million
As President you earn $200,000 -300,000 dollars, but you pay for nothing so no one knows exactly how much he is worth.

before the depression of mr bushes a few years ago, cathie and I were worth thaat much with our investments in land etc. so that isnt very much today.

WASHINGTON (AP)— Just how rich is Mitt Romney? Add up the wealth of the last eight presidents, from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Then double that number. Now you’re in Romney territory.

Now you dont wish to vote for Obama becaused he is rich(?)

but look at romney, he made those millions thanks to the help of his false religion and the crookedness of his daddy.

Obama didnt have that type of help, what he has, he worked for and went to school to get a great education, just like cathie and I have done.
preston

Waverly, OH

#400013 Nov 3, 2012
Pad wrote:
Continued to Preston:
Obama is running this country to the ground,and as I said he is a globalist,and wants to neutralize AMERICA into a servant rather than a Power of an Independent nation.
Any president who would disc Canada,in oil research and deals with this country to improve our energy sources is anti-American as far as I am concerned.Obama does not care about what America is to this world,he wants us to become a 3rd rate nation,subservient to Europe,Middle East and so on.Obama is rich what does he care if he ruins this country,he will have his 5 million,and he'll write another book to promote his narcissism.
why are you being so deceitful, why dont you tell all of the story about that pipeline deal.

Obama approved the southern half of the pipeline, with studies continuing on the rest of the route

Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., said if Obama is elected, the future of the Keystone XL depends on the environmental impact study.

“It’s already been completed in the southern states but the hang-up is in Nebraska, and South Dakota in part, because of the Ogallala Aquifer,” Johnson said.“They were trying to figure out a way to get around that. As soon as they do, and study the environmental impact, they’ll be ready to go.”

Former Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., said even if Obama hadn’t halted the project, the environmental concerns in Nebraska would have delayed the project anyway.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK SO YOU WONT BE CAUGHT IN YOUR LIES.PAD
Pad

Rockford, IL

#400014 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, but I dont "talk" to any person on this forum, and only a couple have I emailed with. one was even Mary hammond, a rough one if there was one on this forum.
and jsut altely ahve I emailed karen but that was private and will remain so.
when i call a peson a liar, it is because they have lied and I ALWAYS show proof of their lies.
so your opinion is not based on facts from this forum.
and thankfully church members that I KNOW have nothing in common with many people on this forum, such as the sda cultist, false prophets and a liar li be lying which made him a deceiver.and lest I forget, 4bdn whoissued John a homosexual invitation with his filthy dirty mouth and he was called on it by others. why were you silent?

let me clue you in, EVERY PRESDENT HAS DONE THAT. FOR GOOD REASON.
LETS GO BACK TO MR BUSH AND GORBACHEV, THEY BOTH BOTH OF A NEW WORLD ORDER. at the same time, so they had to have spoken to each other.
OTHERS GIVE YOU MORE CREDIT THAN I DO, TO ME YOU ARENT TO BRIGHT.
preston,it is not my place to criticize posters on this forum who claim to be gay,their personal habits are their own business.

As a matter of fact preston,I do not remember anything about John from NJ being gay.Now if that is the John you are talking about? There was a man on this forum a long time back who claimed to be gay, and I often told him his lifestyle was basically destructive.

We are not suppose to condemn people,as Jesus came not to condemn but to save.

Obama was seen and heard by millions making some secret deal with Medeyev of Russia,whispering to him,he did not know the mike was on,and that he was heard,even Romney made mention to that in the last debate.That is what I was referring to.Obama wanted so much to be seen as the global president,everyone working with him,apologizing constantly for America to our enemies and others as well.

So much for Obama.You can root for him while not voting,are you a coward preston to vote for him or against him?And don't give me the line,that God wants you totally for HIMSELF.Pastors who are living for Christ with great joy,love and skill vote.

I cannot believe you a former vet,and one who suffered for your country would make such strong points for this president,yet not even vote for him?

Who is the bright one here sir?
MICHAEL

Hamilton, Canada

#400015 Nov 3, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
Try again. That is the lamest of lame.
No biblical writer was alive to witness jesus.
The big question is why?

A man claimed to have been born miraculously. Performed dozens of visual miracles for thousands and witnessed by thousands more. Had so many people who LOVED him and followed him, special arrangements had to be made to accomodate all his fans..........yet a very short time later, everyone is screaming for his death, then a short time later, everyone now loves him all over again.

Makes no common sense.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#400016 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>this post about obama being rich is one of the dumbest that you have ever wrote and you have wrote some doozies.
In December 2007, the Obama family was estimated at at net worth of $1.3 million
As President you earn $200,000 -300,000 dollars, but you pay for nothing so no one knows exactly how much he is worth.
before the depression of mr bushes a few years ago, cathie and I were worth thaat much with our investments in land etc. so that isnt very much today.
WASHINGTON (AP)— Just how rich is Mitt Romney? Add up the wealth of the last eight presidents, from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Then double that number. Now you’re in Romney territory.
Now you dont wish to vote for Obama becaused he is rich(?)
but look at romney, he made those millions thanks to the help of his false religion and the crookedness of his daddy.
Obama didnt have that type of help, what he has, he worked for and went to school to get a great education, just like cathie and I have done.
AND you know a great deal about the Chicago Machine of political hypocrisy and so on?

WELL our dear president came out of that machine and with much profit.He and his wife both wrote books,and were part of the most richest breed of minorities as members of Wright's church.Money is very well gained and used by the Obama's.So we here in Illinois know of these people,and we are stuck with them,running this state into the ground year by year.We are the most taxed and the poorest of states.

Home of Lincoln is now faced with a depression that may spread nationwide.We have a Democratic machine that is crude,prejudice and callous to what they are doing to the whole state.Even my liberal in-laws are concerned these days,and bellyache often about the corrupt Democrats in Illinois government.

It is a well known fact that Obama profited immensely from the liberal corrupt machine in Illinois or more distinctly Chicago.

It is a hot issue here with many,but we are concerned about the future more than ever.Another 4 years with a man who has been fashioned by Chicago corrupt Democrats,is scary to say the least.It is a sad and terrible legacy we people of Illinois must now suffer,as we allowed those men and women to run our state for decades,no protest.Democrats here are slowly waking up,since Obama has been allowed 4 years to run this country like the Chicago Machine.
preston

Waverly, OH

#400017 Nov 3, 2012
and just to help people out who do believe what PAD is trying to push on here. the percentage of oil being moved would only be 6% up .

this project is putting big money in someones pockets since just a few hundred miles west of that proposed pipelins in ANOTHER PIPELINE COMING DOWN FROM ALASKA,

IN WHICH THEY COULD TAP INTO IF THEY ACTUALLY WANTED TO, AND IT WAS NECESSARY
marge

Ames, IA

#400018 Nov 3, 2012
well Regina should have power by now, don't know if her area was flooded or not. over.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#400019 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>why are you being so deceitful, why dont you tell all of the story about that pipeline deal.
Obama approved the southern half of the pipeline, with studies continuing on the rest of the route
Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., said if Obama is elected, the future of the Keystone XL depends on the environmental impact study.
“It’s already been completed in the southern states but the hang-up is in Nebraska, and South Dakota in part, because of the Ogallala Aquifer,” Johnson said.“They were trying to figure out a way to get around that. As soon as they do, and study the environmental impact, they’ll be ready to go.”
Former Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., said even if Obama hadn’t halted the project, the environmental concerns in Nebraska would have delayed the project anyway.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK SO YOU WONT BE CAUGHT IN YOUR LIES.PAD
Did it ever occur to you,that Obama used the environmental studies and impact to twart any future goal to improve our own independence from Arab and Venequelan oil.

Obama is putting the kabosh on many attempts to improve our own oil refineries.He did not contend or debate Romney when told his policies halted the the continuance of improving oil refineries. We know for a fact as well that Obama taxes the hell out of small busnines,or tather puts so many limitations on them.I have to run.preston,I can disagree with you without hostility,so remember that when you post okay?

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