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There are 665112 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#400049 Nov 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
First off, if I have said it yet - thanks for the dialogue. It's been charming.
:o)
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...says men. "God" never stated this.
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....says men. "God" never stated this.
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True.
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Incorrect. I've posted to enlighten others.
Your perception of my posts, and lately - the only one who is inquisitive enough to have a conversation (no matter what the direction is), hopefully is giving others information and will help them learn and to understand my belief.
Shoot - many on this forum act is afraid to go out and research it on there own.
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If you really want to be specific, the roots of Gnosticism actually go further back than these past 2000 years.
This book is a very good reference of its origins.
http://www.amazon.com/Gnostic-Philosophy-Anci...
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Maybe you should consider Gnosticism the next step of enlightenment, now that you've seem to understand the incomplete philosophies of the Bible.
NASL

I try to be informative as well.

IMHO Gnosticism is a western term, the semitic term is Baal....

The philosphies that come out of the Bible are more than enough for me....Thank you anyway....

I suspect the gnostic view to be quite ancient....

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#400050 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
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For centuries long before Jesus, came others in the mediteranean who claimed to be sons of God, claimed to offer eternal salvation if you believed them. How could that be? Wouldn't one today believe that the elements of christianity would be entirely UNIQUE to christianity, that being son of God, and offering eternal salvation would be a FIRST!! Not so according to world history. Its old hat.
Even during the era of Jesus we know others who claimed to be messiahs, and all of a sudden along comes yet! wait for it!........ Jesus, another messiah, son of God, one in a long line of previous messiah wannabes, who also promises eternal salvation, exactly as the mythical man/gods who lived centuries before. What are the odds that Jesus would come along with exactly the same presentation as all the others that came before? Astronomical!
If all the previous mythical man/gods in our world history could have put COPYWRITES on all their customs, traditions and elements of belief, christianity could have never started, because most of what christianity claims, was claimed 1,000 years before Jesus was a twinkle in St Pauls eye.
.....something is wrong!
good friend

Your right....something is wrong....So calm down. Lets take it one step at a time again....

Please see if you can answer my question. It is the third time now I ask it...,

"Can you tell me some of the names, or even approximately the number of Christians crucified in the Roman Empire starting at about 30 AD onward? Lets work on the "why" you can't together....

I have and am ready to agree that something is wrong....
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#400051 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I only have to look and see that the sda cultist is on line to know where those negative icons come from.he does it on almost every post that i make. grade school mentality rules his life.
No Problem
I was not one from 5 or so Friday til Saturday about 2 and seen all kinds of neg judies on you so get over it......lol
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#400052 Nov 3, 2012
Happy Sabbath !!!!

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#400053 Nov 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Please show me where I've specifically stated that "God" does not exist.
If you do read my posts and understand them, I've stated the following:
a. Prove that "God" exists....in some paraphrased manner
b. "God" has no control over this realm - our reality
c. Our Father, the Unknowable One in some circles, is the true being of our origins.
Remember - please be specific.
Thanks.
NASL

If Creation exists, then does that mean God does or does not exist?

Be honest....You know that philosphical proofs have gone on for ages on proving God's existence. And you ask me to give you more proof....(smile)

Here is the delemma. Gnosticism does not acknowledge the God of the Old Testament as being God. Gnosticism has two views(smile). God is the head of the angels, and God is an angel. And that God manifests in pairs(opposites) such as male and female.

But as usual, Gnosticism calling God is not God, but God is the Unknowable Divine Being, makes God beyond being "touched". It removes the God of the Old Testament, and so I must point out it breaks the 1st Commandment
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

So that makes Gnosticism break how many of the Commandments so far?
Is it 4 or 5? I think that is the 5th one I have shown you....

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#400054 Nov 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I've never said "Jesus is salvation".
- What I've stated - in no uncertain terms - is that ALL of his teachings will give you the salvation you seek.
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This is somewhat accurate - in a sense, but the way you state it, it seems to show that you limit what enlightenment is.
NASL

:)

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#400055 Nov 3, 2012
Seraphima wrote:
Guess whos coming home tomorrow??? Yes,its Hermi!!! He is getting stronger BUT doctors are still puzzeled by his illness.We(me ad the nurse chihuahua..lol) will e taking over is care.Thanks so so much for ALL your prayers and keep them coming till we find the cause.....
good friend

So glad to hear of the good news....

He is still in my prayers.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#400056 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
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HOJO, I always post good things about you.
Gods #1 priority are people who post good things about others.
Read your posts? You are DOOOMMMEED!!
I thought that you didn't believe in God or believe in ANYTHING that is connected with HIM such as Jesus Christ. Did you have a "brief memory lapse" or are you beginning to finally "wake up" to the TRUTH!
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#400057 Nov 3, 2012
Truth wrote:
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And, HOJO, you have been blinded by Satan....
False teachers are a dime a dozen...go figure....
Billy Graham, also, teaches ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED....
So what you are telling us is that you are a Catholic who believes in ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED if you believe in Billy Graham...
Truth---you continue to "make up things" just like the majority of "bible only Protestants" have ALWAYS done! Just because I support and acknowledge that Billy Graham is a Christian, just as he supports the Catholic Faith doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with everything that he believes. You bible only buffoons, continue to "paddle around in circles" in your bible only boat of condemnation and judgment of other Christians in TOTAL "confusion and chaos". Until you come to the TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His spoken, stated and expressed words "IN THE GOSPEL" you continue to remain "just the like the Prodigal Son" in Luke 15:11, defiant, and rebellious, remaining on the outside of the TRUTH---always looking in at Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church, the Bride of Christ.
MICHAEL

Canada

#400058 Nov 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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good friend
Your right....something is wrong....So calm down. Lets take it one step at a time again....
Please see if you can answer my question. It is the third time now I ask it...,
"Can you tell me some of the names, or even approximately the number of Christians crucified in the Roman Empire starting at about 30 AD onward? Lets work on the "why" you can't together....
I have and am ready to agree that something is wrong....
Robert. What happened to what I was discussing earlier? Former man/gods who practiced customs/traditions the same that christians practice?

Anyway christian martyrs you say. How many were there? I don't know. Google any "catholic website" that says christian martyrs and their list will come up?

Google any "Islam" website about martyrs and their list will come up about their martyrs.

When David Keresh claimed to have martyred himself 20 years ago, most people today would say that is crazy. Any catholic today claiming to want to martyr themselves would be declared crazy.

Whats the point?

MICHAEL

Canada

#400059 Nov 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
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I thought that you didn't believe in God or believe in ANYTHING that is connected with HIM such as Jesus Christ. Did you have a "brief memory lapse" or are you beginning to finally "wake up" to the TRUTH!
I am not a believer in the trinity. Is there a God? I don't know, and neither do you. Its a belief.

I used the term God just to make a point about how you act towards others and that your premise about God is that he is suppose to love everyone. You sure don't sound like it with your constant negative comments about anyone not catholic........except billy graham.

If there is a God, I doubt he is anything close to how you vision him/her/it.

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#400060 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
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Robert.
I don't know their names, because I guess they weren't important enough to record back then.
Jesus is claimed to be the greatest man that ever lived according to christians TODAY!, in CHRISTIAN ONLY HISTORY, yet no christians know his birthdate, don't know what he did for a living, don't know what he looked like, and the most important dates of all, the death and resurrection and no one thought he was important enough to record that. Christians today argue over two different burial sites..........thats not good!
The gospels are suppose to be the cornerstone to christian writings yet no one knows any of the dates they were written, where they were written, and no one can verify with any certainty that the names associated with the gospel writers are the actual people who wrote them. Outside of christian only writings there is nothing mentioned in our world history of miraculous birth, 12 apostles, or crucifixion. Remember there were suppose to have been many thousands of jewish witnesses to this mans good deeds, and the only few who recorded anything became christians. AGENDA???
Julius Caesar an important man in WORLD HISTORY, about 100 years before the Jesus story was born JULY 13, 100 BCE. Died March 15, 44 BCE. Occupations: Was a roman statesman, general, author. There are actual statues still around depicting the likeness appearance of Julius Caesar. You can buy coins today from that era with the stamping of Julius Caesar himself on these coins from 2100 years ago.
There is no evidence left behind to indicate that a Jesus actually lived and died. The shroud of Turin is claimed to be a fake by many experts, yet the catholic church keeps it as a holy relic but DOES NOT indicate, or know, with any certainty that they believe its the burial cloth.
If someone was important to others in history, they are usually recorded in our world history. The only history recorded about a Jesus is christian ONLY history.
Thousands of jews were suppose to have been miraclized, but jews at that time and today don't believe such things happened.
Did Jesus just become popular as time went on? Seems so, because no christians know anything about him personally.
good friend

Ah. At last. A response...."I don't know their names, because I guess they weren't important enough to record back then."

The reason is because they weren't important(you guess)....

First off we shouldn't be guessing....

How many? No one knows....It could be a few, but the Roman Legions were known for the 4 large massacres of the Jewish uprisings around the time of Jesus....

Why would Jesus and his disciples standout in history, when so many were slaughtered and not recorded either, by philosophers, religous, state or individual writers?
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#400061 Nov 3, 2012
O.K. genius, tell us what you were desiring for God to do with Billy Grahm by your statement........."May God find him a nice quite(his spelling)out of the way place in a HOT COMMUNITY where the SUN NEVER SHINES.r statement?""".. ...Are you to stupid to understad your own words, or just to big a liar to admit it? Or perhaps both.

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#400062 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
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Hello Robert.
You said to BlackSheep.....I am saying that belief is based on experience and knowledge....
I say belief is MOSTLY based on family/culture, hand-me-down tradition, indoctrination, and the part of the world you reside.
Born to an Italian family, very good chance you will be raised and learn the belief of catholicism ONLY.(nothing to do with experience knowledge)
Born to a middle eastern family, very good chance you will be raised to learn the belief and worship Allah and Islam ONLY!(nothing to do with experience knowledge)
Born at 67 main street in america raised a roman catholic. Born across the street at 68 main street in america raised a protestant.
location, location, location! more often than NOT determines how and who people worship..........or no worship at all.
A very small percentage of people in our world actually have a belief based on experience or seeking out knowledge.
good friend

I can agree that "most" are affected by their culture,society, traditions.

I know what you are trying to say but "experience" is the more inclusive way to relate to beliefs. To be "mostly" right is not being right....

The reason experience trumps tradtion, is that persons are affected by their environment, and psychology comes into play, i.e. family units affecting beliefs(which is what you are talking about).
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#400063 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>I dont think so, YOU ACCUSED ME OF TAKING PLEASURE IN HIM BEING SENT TO HELL BY GOD.
THAT POST IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE WORD "PLEASURE".
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Your statement was that your desire(PLESAURE) was ...MAY GOD GRANT HIM ....and your reference was in hell. Deny it all you want, your words are there for the world to see. Lying won't change them.

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#400064 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
For centuries long before Jesus, came others in the mediteranean who claimed to be sons of God, claimed to offer eternal salvation if you believed them. How could that be? Wouldn't one today believe that the elements of christianity would be entirely UNIQUE to christianity, that being son of God, and offering eternal salvation would be a FIRST!! Not so according to world history. Its old hat.
Even during the era of Jesus we know others who claimed to be messiahs, and all of a sudden along comes yet! wait for it!........ Jesus, another messiah, son of God, one in a long line of previous messiah wannabes, who also promises eternal salvation, exactly as the mythical man/gods who lived centuries before. What are the odds that Jesus would come along with exactly the same presentation as all the others that came before? Astronomical!
If all the previous mythical man/gods in our world history could have put COPYWRITES on all their customs, traditions and elements of belief, christianity could have never started, because most of what christianity claims, was claimed 1,000 years before Jesus was a twinkle in St Pauls eye.
.....something is wrong!
good friend

And there are many that claimed to be a messiah after Jesus.

If we are talking odds, and being astronomical here, then lets look at Pascal's Wager?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

What do you think about it?

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#400065 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Robert. What happened to what I was discussing earlier? Former man/gods who practiced customs/traditions the same that christians practice?
Anyway christian martyrs you say. How many were there? I don't know. Google any "catholic website" that says christian martyrs and their list will come up?
Google any "Islam" website about martyrs and their list will come up about their martyrs.
When David Keresh claimed to have martyred himself 20 years ago, most people today would say that is crazy. Any catholic today claiming to want to martyr themselves would be declared crazy.
Whats the point?
Look at Pascals Wager

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#400066 Nov 3, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
Have I misunderstood something? Somebody rejoicing about some souls who are doomed to hell??
That is wicked and evil and I couldn't wish that on my worst enemy!! What the hell kind of horrible person thinks that way?
PRESTON
preston

Athens, OH

#400067 Nov 3, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>I was not one from 5 or so Friday til Saturday about 2 and seen all kinds of neg judies on you so get over it......lol
lol, you can lie to others and get away with it but you cant lie with topix.

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YOU POSTED RIGHT AFTER I DID, ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THE POST NUMBERS.

MY LAST NUMBER WAS 36 AND YOURS WAS 37.SO YOU WERE HERE AND YOU DONT CELEBRATE SHABATT ANYWAY, THE DEVIL AND HIS FOLLOWERS(LIKE YOU) CARE NOTHING FOR GODS DAY OF REST FOR THE JEWS
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#400068 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, I meant hell, stupid.
I was just being polite.
That is even worse than to imply what I forst thought your gest was implying.

May Lord forgive you seeing how you are unstable in all your ways.

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