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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 668054 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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preston

Athens, OH

#400029 Nov 3, 2012
Truth wrote:
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And, HOJO, you have been blinded by Satan....
False teachers are a dime a dozen...go figure....
Billy Graham, also, teaches ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED....
So what you are telling us is that you are a Catholic who believes in ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED if you believe in Billy Graham...
if billy graham lives long enough, he would help(as he already has tried), he would try to bring into being the one world religion that the Bible warns us of!

look at peale, a person that has no characteristics of a christian.

you made a great point to HOJO, I hope he will listen but the fact that graham has reached out to the pope and the catholics, you arent going to reach him even though your point was right on.
preston

Athens, OH

#400030 Nov 3, 2012
Truth wrote:
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Sorry, PAD...I have to disagree with you....
Congress are the ones who passes the laws, NOT the president....
President cannot enact a law, only the congress....
President enforces the laws....
Only changes under the declaration of an emergency and/or marshal law.....has never existed in this nation except during times of war....specifically the Civil War...when Lincoln suspended the right of Habeas Corpus...
The Habeas Corpus Act was an English statute enacted in 1679 during the reign of King Charles II. It was subsequently amended and supple-mented by enactments of Parliament that permitted, in certain cases, a person to challenge the legality of his or her imprisonment before a court that ordered the person to appear before it at a designated time so that it could render its decision. The Habeas Corpus Act served as the precursor of Habeas Corpus provisions found in U.S. federal and state constitutions and statutes that safeguard the guarantee of personal liberty.
some of these people who claim to have attended college, must not have taken a class in government, because they dont know what the three branches of the Govenment are.

PAD wanted to blame obama ove the incompletion of the Canadian Pipeline, when the EPA put a temporary hold on it because of the Aquifier(I dount if very many people even know what that is), yet romney said he would order it completed a soon as he becomes President.

that is a lie and so foolish that even people like PAD would believe him.

the Preident does not have the POWER to overrule a quasi goverment order, he can suggest, but he cant force them into braking their Laws as written by Congress.

and yeah, people. I did study government and I got an A in that course, not to mention that I have been around govt officials all of my life.
MICHAEL

Canada

#400031 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>this post about obama being rich is one of the dumbest that you have ever wrote and you have wrote some doozies.
In December 2007, the Obama family was estimated at at net worth of $1.3 million
As President you earn $200,000 -300,000 dollars, but you pay for nothing so no one knows exactly how much he is worth.
before the depression of mr bushes a few years ago, cathie and I were worth thaat much with our investments in land etc. so that isnt very much today.
WASHINGTON (AP)— Just how rich is Mitt Romney? Add up the wealth of the last eight presidents, from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Then double that number. Now you’re in Romney territory.
Now you dont wish to vote for Obama becaused he is rich(?)
but look at romney, he made those millions thanks to the help of his false religion and the crookedness of his daddy.
Obama didnt have that type of help, what he has, he worked for and went to school to get a great education, just like cathie and I have done.
Whats wrong with being rich?

Average americans buy over 1 Billion lottery tickets a year, and everyone of those americans is not hoping to win a FREE TICKET or a $10 prize.

If someone on this forum believes they have too much, send it to me. I will be glad to help them out.

Anyone who works hard, and has accumulated wealth, I take my hat off to them.
preston

Athens, OH

#400032 Nov 3, 2012
Paul warned the church to guard against heresy and false teachers,

but somehow on this forum,the devil reigns and when false teachers and prophets are exposed a such, the heathens begin to rage.

5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words. For because of these things, the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. 5:7 Therefore don’t be partakers with them.
preston

Athens, OH

#400033 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
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Whats wrong with being rich?
Average americans buy over 1 Billion lottery tickets a year, and everyone of those americans is not hoping to win a FREE TICKET or a $10 prize.
If someone on this forum believes they have too much, send it to me. I will be glad to help them out.
Anyone who works hard, and has accumulated wealth, I take my hat off to them.
you need to address that question to PAD, he is the person tha commented that he wouldnt vote for Obama because he is rich(little over a million, which aint bad) and i pointed out that romney is many times richer than Obama.

sometimes people are hypocrites,PAD cetainly qualifies.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#400034 Nov 3, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Are you saying that some belief is not based on faith?
TBS

I am saying that belief is based on experience and knowledge....So the answer to your question is actually no. However, there may be some points of connection with truth.(This is when knowledge is true, and faith is true.)

Because experience involves psycholgical factors; thinking, feeling, behavior, then sometimes there is a "confirmation bias", and knowledge tends to get a lopsided view....

Belief is based in knowledge and experience, so it does not have faith entering into the equation at all. One can falsely imply that one's belief in something is based in faith, but this is a misstatement.) One can say they have belief in their faith, or faith in their belief, but it is a misstatement...

But here is the "kicker" one can have faith and belief....(smile)

The field of belief rests in psychology and epistemology.

And again faith is based in things unseen and hoped for....
MICHAEL

Canada

#400035 Nov 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
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good friend
You're putting to much into your response, for me to reply in any meaningful way....
Although I understand your resolve in trying to make your point clear, I am left with picking and choosing only a point or two, and that gets nowhere fast....
Here is what happens when I see your writings....
You make a statement, and then ask why?
Then you add to your orginal statement and conclude everything is suspect....
You make a third and fourth statement and again ask why?
So lets go back to dialoguing, and you answer my original question. If you can't then we can be aware, that we can probe together, and there is something in common we share, and move toward understanding....
Here is the question:
"Can you tell me some of the names, or even approximately the number of Christians crucified in the Roman Empire starting at about 30 AD onward? If not, then why can't you explain....This is always your position on why you don't believe in Jesus.(It just doesn't make sense.)
Robert.

I don't know their names, because I guess they weren't important enough to record back then.

Jesus is claimed to be the greatest man that ever lived according to christians TODAY!, in CHRISTIAN ONLY HISTORY, yet no christians know his birthdate, don't know what he did for a living, don't know what he looked like, and the most important dates of all, the death and resurrection and no one thought he was important enough to record that. Christians today argue over two different burial sites..........thats not good!

The gospels are suppose to be the cornerstone to christian writings yet no one knows any of the dates they were written, where they were written, and no one can verify with any certainty that the names associated with the gospel writers are the actual people who wrote them. Outside of christian only writings there is nothing mentioned in our world history of miraculous birth, 12 apostles, or crucifixion. Remember there were suppose to have been many thousands of jewish witnesses to this mans good deeds, and the only few who recorded anything became christians. AGENDA???

Julius Caesar an important man in WORLD HISTORY, about 100 years before the Jesus story was born JULY 13, 100 BCE. Died March 15, 44 BCE. Occupations: Was a roman statesman, general, author. There are actual statues still around depicting the likeness appearance of Julius Caesar. You can buy coins today from that era with the stamping of Julius Caesar himself on these coins from 2100 years ago.

There is no evidence left behind to indicate that a Jesus actually lived and died. The shroud of Turin is claimed to be a fake by many experts, yet the catholic church keeps it as a holy relic but DOES NOT indicate, or know, with any certainty that they believe its the burial cloth.

If someone was important to others in history, they are usually recorded in our world history. The only history recorded about a Jesus is christian ONLY history.

Thousands of jews were suppose to have been miraclized, but jews at that time and today don't believe such things happened.

Did Jesus just become popular as time went on? Seems so, because no christians know anything about him personally.
preston

Athens, OH

#400036 Nov 3, 2012
HIDDEN J.EWS OF SPAIN RETURNING TO J.UDAISM 31- After a bit over 500 years, descendants of J.ews who were forcibly converted to Roman Catholicism under the rule of the be-damned Queen Isabella I of Castile (may she rot in Hell for a good eternity) are coming back to traditional J.udaism.

Baruch Garcia, who was on his way to becoming a Roman Catholic priest, tells his story.

Brilliant. Am Yisrael Chai L'netzach netzchim!! The People of Ysrael live and endure forever!

http://www.shavei.org/communities/bnei_a ...
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#400037 Nov 3, 2012
Orville wrote:
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50% of all States also use Bio-Metrics when one renews or get's a driver lisence.
How would one go about keeping this from happening ?
Drop out of the system. it is the only way. If arrested, than this is un-avoidable. However, I belive a physical implant is the final MARK".
Why? Because at that point we can and must choose. As Obamas health Care ruse, is mandating.
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
HERE:
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
causeth all...Not forced.
causeth all...Not forced.
The "CAUSE"? What ever man feels is resonable to accept this "MARK". Family, jobs, children, Home, ET....
I once heard from a Secratary to a very famous Preacher state," Oh, it's OK to get the MARK. Because Jesus knows your heart."
Indeed HE does....
If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev. 14.
Thanks interesting response.
guest

United States

#400038 Nov 3, 2012
guest wrote:
yep.
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the 1% own the U.S. and it is they who decide to put into office whomever they wish.
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It's all a show. I don't vote.
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but you know what? the bigger they come the harder they fall. And I do believe they will be inquiring of the 99% how to survive the coming New World Order.
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Clay wrote:
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If you don't vote then you can't complain.
The New World Order is going to be launched by the Vatican in 2013. I just got the letter from the Pope as did all Catholics. Apparently he wants us to put a certain mark on everyone's forehead. I dunno, we have to obey... Lol
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O.K. Let me get this straight: In order to have a legitimate reason to 'complain' about wholesale injustice on BOTH sides of the fence, I need to vote for an evil candidate on one or the other side? Got it. This sounds like Catholic Logic 101! And everyone can see how this sort of logic has failed the church - they are paying big time, and will continue to pay. Same-same with the government sector. We "just keep doing it" the way we have "always been doing it" because the payoff is so grand!
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Swell. The lawyers are happy.
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Oh yeah, by the way...the Catholic church has lost too much power to the corporate street and politicians via the *pedophile scandal* to be able to launch any sort of control mechanism upon the world's citizens. In other words: The Catholic hierarchy is now made impotent for having indulged itself in illegitimate *sex*. It's really quite funny how that has worked out, isn't it?
MICHAEL

Canada

#400039 Nov 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
TBS
I am saying that belief is based on experience and knowledge....So the answer to your question is actually no. However, there may be some points of connection with truth.(This is when knowledge is true, and faith is true.)
Because experience involves psycholgical factors; thinking, feeling, behavior, then sometimes there is a "confirmation bias", and knowledge tends to get a lopsided view....
Belief is based in knowledge and experience, so it does not have faith entering into the equation at all. One can falsely imply that one's belief in something is based in faith, but this is a misstatement.) One can say they have belief in their faith, or faith in their belief, but it is a misstatement...
But here is the "kicker" one can have faith and belief....(smile)
The field of belief rests in psychology and epistemology.
And again faith is based in things unseen and hoped for....
Hello Robert.

You said to BlackSheep.....I am saying that belief is based on experience and knowledge....

I say belief is MOSTLY based on family/culture, hand-me-down tradition, indoctrination, and the part of the world you reside.

Born to an Italian family, very good chance you will be raised and learn the belief of catholicism ONLY.(nothing to do with experience knowledge)

Born to a middle eastern family, very good chance you will be raised to learn the belief and worship Allah and Islam ONLY!(nothing to do with experience knowledge)

Born at 67 main street in america raised a roman catholic. Born across the street at 68 main street in america raised a protestant.

location, location, location! more often than NOT determines how and who people worship..........or no worship at all.

A very small percentage of people in our world actually have a belief based on experience or seeking out knowledge.



7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#400040 Nov 3, 2012
Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston is manipulating. Anything to draw attention to himself and to than to berate other's.
Very well stated I just can't belive the very few that support him don't see it.
MICHAEL

Canada

#400041 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>you need to address that question to PAD, he is the person tha commented that he wouldnt vote for Obama because he is rich(little over a million, which aint bad) and i pointed out that romney is many times richer than Obama.
sometimes people are hypocrites,PAD cetainly qualifies.
Preston says........you need to address that question to PAD.

Sorry Preston, my mistake.

ps I did not give you any negative judgies.
preston

Athens, OH

#400042 Nov 3, 2012
MICHAEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston says........you need to address that question to PAD.
Sorry Preston, my mistake.
ps I did not give you any negative judgies.
I only have to look and see that the sda cultist is on line to know where those negative icons come from.he does it on almost every post that i make. grade school mentality rules his life.

No Problem
preston

Athens, OH

#400043 Nov 3, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Very well stated I just can't belive the very few that support him don't see it.
just to help you out(you really need i) but it was alink that I used and I believe that I showed the link, if not who cares.I certainly dont care what either of you two think, along with 4bdn

Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston is manipulating. Anything to draw attention to himself and to than to berate other's.
Very well stated I just can't belive the very few that support him don't see
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#400044 Nov 3, 2012
preston wrote:
any posts made to me after these next few minutes will be missed by me if that is ok with you sda cultist.
when the temp drops, the shingles begin to hurt even more.
O'TAY........LOL.........I look forward to it.
MICHAEL

Canada

#400045 Nov 3, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
good friend
You're putting to much into your response, for me to reply in any meaningful way....
Although I understand your resolve in trying to make your point clear, I am left with picking and choosing only a point or two, and that gets nowhere fast....
Here is what happens when I see your writings....
You make a statement, and then ask why?
Then you add to your orginal statement and conclude everything is suspect....
You make a third and fourth statement and again ask why?
So lets go back to dialoguing, and you answer my original question. If you can't then we can be aware, that we can probe together, and there is something in common we share, and move toward understanding....
Here is the question:
"Can you tell me some of the names, or even approximately the number of Christians crucified in the Roman Empire starting at about 30 AD onward? If not, then why can't you explain....This is always your position on why you don't believe in Jesus.(It just doesn't make sense.)
For centuries long before Jesus, came others in the mediteranean who claimed to be sons of God, claimed to offer eternal salvation if you believed them. How could that be? Wouldn't one today believe that the elements of christianity would be entirely UNIQUE to christianity, that being son of God, and offering eternal salvation would be a FIRST!! Not so according to world history. Its old hat.

Even during the era of Jesus we know others who claimed to be messiahs, and all of a sudden along comes yet! wait for it!........ Jesus, another messiah, son of God, one in a long line of previous messiah wannabes, who also promises eternal salvation, exactly as the mythical man/gods who lived centuries before. What are the odds that Jesus would come along with exactly the same presentation as all the others that came before? Astronomical!

If all the previous mythical man/gods in our world history could have put COPYWRITES on all their customs, traditions and elements of belief, christianity could have never started, because most of what christianity claims, was claimed 1,000 years before Jesus was a twinkle in St Pauls eye.

.....something is wrong!

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#400046 Nov 3, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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How is it unreasonable that I ask you to be honest enough to say that the "10 commandments" will need to be presented first, in order for me to accept your belief as you say it?
How is unreasonable with me asking why you only believe in a part of Jesus, yet say you will say that you "believe Jesus completely"?
You are the one talking out of two sides of your mouth.
But you'll, more than likely (as you have) refuse to see it this way, because I've pointed out those aspects of your belief that strike the core of your fundamentalism of belief.
I'm sorry if I have shown you the essence of your error, but since all these other so-called "half-Christians" won't - because they also CHOOSE to be dishonest with themselves and others about these truths - I have no qualms about doing so and bringing it to the table, because these truths are the same truths that Jesus taught.
Honesty begins within and is then shown outwardly once exhibited.
Move past the words and understand their meanings.
Self.
NASL

You keep asking me to be honest.

You seem to have a problem with honesty?(soliloquy)Always accussing someone else of being dishonest....(soliloquy)

Somehow you have honesty at the core of enlightenment, IMHO, or a means of being enlightened....(Sounds a bit like getting "clear" in Scientology.)

Here is the problem. One needs a switch to be turned on, in order for the lights to come on....I think the Person of Jesus is the One that makes the circuit complet to turn on the light. Someone can still keep their eyes closed and not see the light....So no matter how much you cry for honesty,(which I think you mean of some kind of denial away from Jesus being the One), my eye is still whole, and open. Complain as you might, I am still and have been honest.

Your observation that there are some half-Christians on here that choose to be dishonest....(Its not my problem of seperating out the sheep and the goats.) We all might be surprised....
MICHAEL

Canada

#400047 Nov 3, 2012
hojo wrote:
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Your distorted comments, continues to prove how "out of touch" you REALLY ARE about ANYTHING..... Billy Graham embraces the teachings of the Catholic Church as Christian (as well as Pope Benedict). There is "no comparison" to his evangelistic (ecumentical bible ministry) in which he sees ALL CHRISTIANS as in (one body--one spirit in Christ -----VS------- Confrinting, Orville, 4GVN, justachristian1, OLDJG, jethro8, New Age and the rest of the bible only (anti-catholic, anti-church) heretics on this forum, who are the "self-appointed" 42,196+ conflicting (paper pope-bible (mis)interpreters. These are the half-truth, half-heresy Christians-----definitely NOT--- Billy Graham
HOJO, I always post good things about you.

Gods #1 priority are people who post good things about others.

Read your posts? You are DOOOMMMEED!!

7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#400048 Nov 3, 2012
Seraphima wrote:
Guess whos coming home tomorrow??? Yes,its Hermi!!! He is getting stronger BUT doctors are still puzzeled by his illness.We(me ad the nurse chihuahua..lol) will e taking over is care.Thanks so so much for ALL your prayers and keep them coming till we find the cause.....
Wonderful News !!! Yahweh Bless

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