Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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<quoted text>I am really concerned for this country over the Hurricane Sandy.Oh that God would show mercy to this country and lessen the might of this storm to just a rain storm minus the wretched severity!
You will have to evacute Regina,is there some place you and your family can go?
Hi Pad my son and his family are also right in direct line to be hit by this Hurricane. I hope Regina and her family go to a save place. I remember as a kid Hurricane Hazel hit Toronto, it was actually 3 storm fronts that came together and formed into a 5 Hurricane. Anything can happen with these storms and usually does.

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Boy, I looked at this, and was sure startled. Surely THAT could not be from the CCC!
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The paragraph makes it look as though Mary has a "saving office" equivalent to Christ.
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THAT certainly could not be right!
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As it turns out, it wasn't.
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You carefully edited out the part of the paragraph that tells what Mary's "saving office" actually *is.*(It turns out she did have one, just as Moses and all the prophets did, and one quite distinct from anyone else in salvation history.
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I won't bother putting the chopped out part in the thread. You obviously did not want anyone else to read it, which is why you edited it the way you did. Anybody can find the entire paragraph, unedited, by Googling "CCC 969."
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Dishonesty is unbecoming, Oxbow. The truth, unvarnished and unedited, should be enough to make your point.
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When it isn't, and you have to resort to deception, it says something about your position, or you, or both.
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Too bad.
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I might have found discussing faith with you illuminating in some way.
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Now that I know you are willing to cheat, I know there is no point.
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Rob
Well, Rob, then obviously you don't know whast is really IN that 'CCC', because what was posted here concerning Mary IS IN IT, word for word. I also have a copy of the CCC, and it claims EXACTLY that.
Romanism not only tries to place her equal with Jesus, but above Him.
Yup -- to quote you: "Dishonesty is unbecoming". When does the romanist cult plan to STOP lying?
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<quoted text>42,198 "DOCTRINES" . You are an idiot.
First it was 40,000 went up to 41,000 now its 42,198 LOL I guess the sky is the limited.
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Well, Rob, then obviously you don't know whast is really IN that 'CCC', because what was posted here concerning Mary IS IN IT, word for word. I also have a copy of the CCC, and it claims EXACTLY that.
Romanism not only tries to place her equal with Jesus, but above Him.
Yup -- to quote you: "Dishonesty is unbecoming". When does the romanist cult plan to STOP lying?
Be very careful not to falsely accuse us. Its better for you to consult with a Catholic and ask what Catholics believe, instead of ignorantly telling us what we believe. Your soul is in serious jeopardy every time you bare false witness against us.
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Well, Rob, then obviously you don't know whast is really IN that 'CCC', because what was posted here concerning Mary IS IN IT, word for word. I also have a copy of the CCC, and it claims EXACTLY that.
Romanism not only tries to place her equal with Jesus, but above Him.
Yup -- to quote you: "Dishonesty is unbecoming". When does the romanist cult plan to STOP lying?
However, part of me doesn't mind if you all continue baring false witness. Its these very lies from your mouths that brought me back to the Catholic faith. I was 'just a couch Christian' like you, Justa couch Christian. I had a choice on what to believe. I immediately recognized the lies from your side about Catholicism, so obviously I knew you people are not preaching truth.
Amen.

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Instead of fighting over mary or why the bible included joe's lineage, since his blood line had nothing to do the jesus; why don't we concentrate on what the bible god says?

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." (Judges 11:29-40 NLT)

Can we agree that this is sick?
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to catholic's this woman does not exist Oxbow.
I never heard of her LTM. I would not put it past Ox (among others) to make up a name, Mary Ann Collins, for the sole purpose of spreading lies about us. This is not unusual LTM.. I know your heart loves Jesus and Our Lord loves you back. This should make you want to seek out the truth. If your team is baring false witness in order to preach their version of the Gospel, you best run.

Hypotheticaly, if Sister Collins was real, so what? The woman is an idiot for thinking she was worshiping Mary, and likely will be eternally regretfully for accusing her former Sisters of something they are not guilty of.

Again, false accusations against Catholicism (statue and Mary worship) are what brought me back into the Church and the fullness in the Holy Eucharist. I will forever be thankful for that JW guy and my wifes Evangelical friend who tried in vain to make me believe Catholics are worshiping Mary. I pray other potential victims of these people can recognize that a lie like that can only be from the Devil.
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First it was 40,000 went up to 41,000 now its 42,198 LOL I guess the sky is the limited.
40,000, 30,000, 100, 50 or 3 different Protestant sects. It really doesn't matter how many. There can be only one Church. They are all in the wrong if they teach outside of this Church.
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40,000, 30,000, 100, 50 or 3 different Protestant sects. It really doesn't matter how many. There can be only one Church. They are all in the wrong if they teach outside of this Church.
The church is wrong if they teach outside the Bible. Think of the Bereans, they searched the Scriptures to see if Paul(the church)was telling the Truth.

And Clay, all of us born-agains here were saved by Faith alone, a gift from God, not from works. First thing one must do to be part of the True Church.

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"This being the case, hasn't this merely proved the point that gnosticsism has not progressed in some "mental fashion", but merely puts on new "religous garments" to what is popular belief, in adapting itself, not as a force of attaining enlightenment, but of being part of the material world?"
It has progressed, just not in the fashion you expect.
Those who have taken this belief and "ran with it", like me, have developed a much better understanding of the material world we exist in. In my life, I try to separate that "darkness" you and Christianity think only exists outside your world.
I guess you don't understand that all religions are of men.
And if you apply your logic to this, then none of these religions are true and only reside because of darkness.
I'll disagree to the point that all religions are in darkness.
....greeting friend

By your response,"Those who have taken this belief and "ran with it", like me, have developed a much better understanding of the material world we exist in."

This makes you a true gnostic....One who believes that some special kind of knowledge is salvation. This makes gnosticism exclusive in nature, thus not available to all humanity....

You also go on to write," In my life, I try to separate that "darkness" you and Christianity think only exists outside your world."

Obviously, that is an opinion....Something you think...Notice the irony in that statement....

A Christian may not always do what is right. But is convicted, and then can repent. In your system of gnosticism, it is simply "trying" to seperate out darkness....It then falls short because there is no sacrifice. Christianity is the better choice in logical sense because Jesus is the Sacrifice.
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The church is wrong if they teach outside the Bible. Think of the Bereans, they searched the Scriptures to see if Paul(the church)was telling the Truth.
And Clay, all of us born-agains here were saved by Faith alone, a gift from God, not from works. First thing one must do to be part of the True Church.
"The Church is wrong if they teach outside the Bible"

Who's interpretations of the Bible? Yours?
Get real.
The Catholic Church does not teach differently than the Bible.
The Church and the Bible flow together in harmony. Neither one cancels out the other. Neither one contradicts the other.

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confrinting with the word wrote:
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Mary was depicted in the Old Testament as a virgin, that would be with child...
It says nothing more about her....from this prophecy until the visit
of the Gabriel...
Nothing that your imagination can build upon...
QUESTION
Why has the Roman Catholic Church .... attempted to make a goddess...of her.
Negated the existence of her Children...
and exploit the intimacies of her marriage to Joseph,
To tabloid pornography.
YOU CANNOT TAKE ANY BOOK THAT EXIST ON EARTH... AND PROVE/VALIDATE THE MYTHS THAT HAVE BEEN CONJURED UP ABOUT HER.
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Greetings confrinting good friend

Here are some prophecies concerning Mary from the Old Testament:

Genesis 3:15 "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed; she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

Isaiah 7...., which you mentioned...,"14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Micah 5:2,3 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel."

Jeremiah 31:32 "
22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man."

These are direct prophecies....There are of course many "types" and "figures" of Mary in the Old Testament....

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She's not even real. "Mary Ann Collins"? Give me a break! What a generic Irish Catholic name! LOL!!
Yep, I'm in NJ, right on the coast! We're going to get slaughtered! We lucked out last year, at least where I live. But don't think we're going to get away with it this time around. We'll probably be without power for days. As long as no windows blow out or trees fall on the house, we'll be okay. Thank you for the good wishes, we're going to need them!
May God protect and keep you and all from harm.
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Oh, CAN the crap, Hoho. You don't even know enough to give the word Bible a capital letter. In fact, you don't know enough to fill a thimble.
I "canned the crap" when I left the Protestant bible only (half-truth, half-heresy Christianity and became a TRUE follower of Jesus Christ (in and through) HIS One True Apostolic Catholic Church.
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I never heard of her LTM. I would not put it past Ox (among others) to make up a name, Mary Ann Collins, for the sole purpose of spreading lies about us. This is not unusual LTM.. I know your heart loves Jesus and Our Lord loves you back. This should make you want to seek out the truth. If your team is baring false witness in order to preach their version of the Gospel, you best run.
Hypotheticaly, if Sister Collins was real, so what? The woman is an idiot for thinking she was worshiping Mary, and likely will be eternally regretfully for accusing her former Sisters of something they are not guilty of.
Again, false accusations against Catholicism (statue and Mary worship) are what brought me back into the Church and the fullness in the Holy Eucharist. I will forever be thankful for that JW guy and my wifes Evangelical friend who tried in vain to make me believe Catholics are worshiping Mary. I pray other potential victims of these people can recognize that a lie like that can only be from the Devil.
She is fiction there is no record of her anywhere. Jack Chick comic books also have non-existents which honest protestants or those who have bothered to do any research know. However sensationalism sells, not that many of the people in here have a clue what that sensationalism means. Confrint says yes it is sensational. lol The guy is pure genius. ;0 People like the Jack Chicks have made fortunes feeding the hatred of Protestants who are not interested in any truth or entertaining a fair and reasoned response. The real born agains like those on this thread all agree that bearing false witness is no problem at all. You ever notice how several of the Protestants on this board feel the need to tell us how smart they are repeatedly? I guess they need validation. lol

No it does not matter how many denominations they have the reality is each of them has sola authority to decide and preach their personal truth so the doctrines can run with their number.

Here ya go Clay I exposed this lie several times in the past not with this article but more detailed even, I cant find it right now but this will suffice. They just keep regurgitating nonsense. They basically throw out as much rubbish as possible and hope something with stick.

http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/mary_a...

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Boy, I looked at this, and was sure startled. Surely THAT could not be from the CCC!
.
The paragraph makes it look as though Mary has a "saving office" equivalent to Christ.
.
THAT certainly could not be right!
.
As it turns out, it wasn't.
.
You carefully edited out the part of the paragraph that tells what Mary's "saving office" actually *is.*(It turns out she did have one, just as Moses and all the prophets did, and one quite distinct from anyone else in salvation history.
.
I won't bother putting the chopped out part in the thread. You obviously did not want anyone else to read it, which is why you edited it the way you did. Anybody can find the entire paragraph, unedited, by Googling "CCC 969."
.
Dishonesty is unbecoming, Oxbow. The truth, unvarnished and unedited, should be enough to make your point.
.
When it isn't, and you have to resort to deception, it says something about your position, or you, or both.
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Too bad.
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I might have found discussing faith with you illuminating in some way.
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Now that I know you are willing to cheat, I know there is no point.
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Rob
Which part of this are you denying...

Therefore the
Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper,
Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

mediatrix - a woman who is a mediator..

The Bible teaches Christ is the only mediator. Catholics say that ain't so...His mother is equal to Him in that status...

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to catholic's this woman does not exist Oxbow.
They wish she didn't....they can't stand to face the truth...
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Psalm 91 >>
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1He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

7A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation
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Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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Boy, I looked at this, and was sure startled. Surely THAT could not be from the CCC!
.
The paragraph makes it look as though Mary has a "saving office" equivalent to Christ.
.
THAT certainly could not be right!
.
As it turns out, it wasn't.
.
You carefully edited out the part of the paragraph that tells what Mary's "saving office" actually *is.*(It turns out she did have one, just as Moses and all the prophets did, and one quite distinct from anyone else in salvation history.
.
I won't bother putting the chopped out part in the thread. You obviously did not want anyone else to read it, which is why you edited it the way you did. Anybody can find the entire paragraph, unedited, by Googling "CCC 969."
.
Dishonesty is unbecoming, Oxbow. The truth, unvarnished and unedited, should be enough to make your point.
.
When it isn't, and you have to resort to deception, it says something about your position, or you, or both.
.
Too bad.
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I might have found discussing faith with you illuminating in some way.
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Now that I know you are willing to cheat, I know there is no point.
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Rob




Rob,
Moses, nor any person throughout the Bible could not offer salvation. Only our Messiah-Jesus.
Acts 4.
10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,....
whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.




Salvation Begins with the Word of God

Salvation begins with the Word of Holy God. Apart from God’s Holy Word, we would be up a creek without a paddle.“Being born again, not of corruptible SEED, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever”(1st Peter 1:23). The Word of Holy God is NOT merely a book, the Word of God is alive! Notice the words,“...which liveth and abideth forever.” It is alive because the Christ--Jesus, is alive.
The Bible is the “seed” in our heart that can sprout into new spiritual life. This can only happen by the power of God’s Holy Spirit.




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Wow. So we say we don't worship Mary. But you say we do, so we do.
Get lost. You have allot of explaining to do in the 'baring false witness category'.


Do you?

Catholicism has historically worshiped the woman "Mary-Queen of Heaven" by praying to her & reciting the prayer/chant, "Hail Mary".

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